Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Beth Hatch]

Hi everyone,

I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new 
Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the 
Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my 
Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I 
am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to 
either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the 
serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this 
computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive 
and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install 
Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to 
have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that 
having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available  
would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very 
important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software 
synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed 
first.<smile>


    Any thoughts or information anyone has on this issue would be most 
appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!

Beth


 

Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Erik Heil]

Hello,
As far as installing Fedora 6 remotely, you can do so using telnet.  i.e. 
if you have access to another Windows box (better yet, a Linux box) you 
can do so via telnet.  Windows however would not be the best choice, as 
cursor control is broken as far as Jaws/Window Eyes is.  If you go through 
the archives, their have actually been posts on this very subject.  As I 
currently don't use Fedora (most of the machines are running some flavor 
of Sid), I can't speak from personal experience.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Beth Hatch wrote:

> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:26:38 -0700
> From: Beth Hatch <bhatch200@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad
> 
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new
> Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the
> Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my
> Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I
> am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to
> either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the
> serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this
> computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive
> and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install
> Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to
> have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that
> having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available
> would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very
> important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software
> synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed
> first.<smile>
>
>
>    Any thoughts or information anyone has on this issue would be most
> appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!
>
> Beth
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Beth Hatch]

Hello Erik and all,

Thanks for your message.  Yes, I have seen the messages about installing 
Fedora via Telnet, that is definitely an option to consider.  As I am 
using this laptop for work and school purposes, I may need to use the 
Dectalk express with Speakup as well as speakup using software, this is 
all an experiment so far, I haven't really figured everything out yet.  
I just wanted some input while I play with things and try to make them 
work.<smile>

Thanks,

Beth

Erik Heil wrote:
> Hello,
> As far as installing Fedora 6 remotely, you can do so using telnet.  i.e. 
> if you have access to another Windows box (better yet, a Linux box) you 
> can do so via telnet.  Windows however would not be the best choice, as 
> cursor control is broken as far as Jaws/Window Eyes is.  If you go through 
> the archives, their have actually been posts on this very subject.  As I 
> currently don't use Fedora (most of the machines are running some flavor 
> of Sid), I can't speak from personal experience.
>
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Beth Hatch wrote:
>
>   
>> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:26:38 -0700
>> From: Beth Hatch <bhatch200@comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> To: Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> Subject: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new
>> Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the
>> Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my
>> Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I
>> am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to
>> either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the
>> serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this
>> computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive
>> and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install
>> Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to
>> have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that
>> having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available
>> would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very
>> important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software
>> synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed
>> first.<smile>
>>
>>
>>    Any thoughts or information anyone has on this issue would be most
>> appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!
>>
>> Beth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>     
>
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Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Erik Heil]

Hello,
Bare in mind that the Dectalk Express driver may have bugs in it.  I'm not 
even sure if its available in the stable Orca tree.  As far as Orca's 
concerned, its not available in Sid yet.  Looking at the status of Gnome 
in Experimental, it looks like to me that All the Gnome 2.16 stuff is 
built for Amd64.  Since I don't have access to an Amd64 box at present 
(Sparc64 I do), its not available to me even in Experimental.  However, 
when it does become available in Unstable, I'd be more than willing to 
post a little review for any of you who may be interested in it.  From 
what I've heard of in Forefox 3 betas, it looks very promissing for what's 
coming down the pike.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Beth Hatch wrote:

> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:59:13 -0700
> From: Beth Hatch <bhatch200@comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Subject: Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad
> 
> Hello Erik and all,
>
> Thanks for your message.  Yes, I have seen the messages about installing
> Fedora via Telnet, that is definitely an option to consider.  As I am
> using this laptop for work and school purposes, I may need to use the
> Dectalk express with Speakup as well as speakup using software, this is
> all an experiment so far, I haven't really figured everything out yet.
> I just wanted some input while I play with things and try to make them
> work.<smile>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Beth
>
> Erik Heil wrote:
>> Hello,
>> As far as installing Fedora 6 remotely, you can do so using telnet.  i.e.
>> if you have access to another Windows box (better yet, a Linux box) you
>> can do so via telnet.  Windows however would not be the best choice, as
>> cursor control is broken as far as Jaws/Window Eyes is.  If you go through
>> the archives, their have actually been posts on this very subject.  As I
>> currently don't use Fedora (most of the machines are running some flavor
>> of Sid), I can't speak from personal experience.
>>
>> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Beth Hatch wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:26:38 -0700
>>> From: Beth Hatch <bhatch200@comcast.net>
>>> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> To: Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> Subject: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new
>>> Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the
>>> Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my
>>> Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I
>>> am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to
>>> either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the
>>> serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this
>>> computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive
>>> and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install
>>> Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to
>>> have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that
>>> having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available
>>> would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very
>>> important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software
>>> synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed
>>> first.<smile>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Any thoughts or information anyone has on this issue would be most
>>> appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!
>>>
>>> Beth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>
>> eheil@sdf.lonestar.org
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>>
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>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>>
>
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Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Michael Whapples]

You could also try using the install CD through a serial console, as
this is meant to work with USB to serial devices (and I assume other
serial devices not built in). I remember when I wanted to look at
freebsd as an OS, I was able to install that in such a way (it was just
a shame that whenever it tried to use the network card it crashed the
machine). I don't know if the Fedora installation kernel has serial
console support, hopefully it would.

From
Michael Whapples
On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 11:44 -0500, Erik Heil wrote:
> Hello,
> As far as installing Fedora 6 remotely, you can do so using telnet.  i.e. 
> if you have access to another Windows box (better yet, a Linux box) you 
> can do so via telnet.  Windows however would not be the best choice, as 
> cursor control is broken as far as Jaws/Window Eyes is.  If you go through 
> the archives, their have actually been posts on this very subject.  As I 
> currently don't use Fedora (most of the machines are running some flavor 
> of Sid), I can't speak from personal experience.
> 
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Beth Hatch wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:26:38 -0700
> > From: Beth Hatch <bhatch200@comcast.net>
> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > To: Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad
> > 
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new
> > Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the
> > Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my
> > Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I
> > am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to
> > either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the
> > serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this
> > computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive
> > and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install
> > Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to
> > have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that
> > having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available
> > would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very
> > important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software
> > synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed
> > first.<smile>
> >
> >
> >    Any thoughts or information anyone has on this issue would be most
> > appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!
> >
> > Beth
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> eheil@sdf.lonestar.org
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
> 
> 

Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Beth:

I don't know about the docking station serial port, but if it registers
as /dev/ttyS0, or some such, you should be OK. Of course, you may not
know about this until after you've installed Linux on your Thinkpad.

I would suggest you can accessibly install FC6 using speech on a second
computer, probably your desktop. You need to have both machines
connected over tcp/ip networking, and then you can use telnet from the
desktop to the Thinkpad to install
FC6 on the Thinkpad.


Janina

PS: Congrats on getting the 60. I'm still using an X31, but I'm a great
fan of Thinkpads myself.


Beth Hatch writes:
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new 
> Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the 
> Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my 
> Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I 
> am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to 
> either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the 
> serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this 
> computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive 
> and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install 
> Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to 
> have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that 
> having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available  
> would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very 
> important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software 
> synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed 
> first.<smile>

RE: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Dawes, Stephen]

Beth,

Have you thought of running Linux as a virtual machine on your laptop
instead of a duel boot.
There are a few out there doing just this with VMWare with success.

In this way, you can also have a number of instances of both
distributions and configurations to choose from and at the same time get
around the duel boot issue.


Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 


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Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Glenn Ervin]

Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> Beth,
>
> Have you thought of running Linux as a virtual machine on your laptop
> instead of a duel boot.
> There are a few out there doing just this with VMWare with success.
>
> In this way, you can also have a number of instances of both
> distributions and configurations to choose from and at the same time
> get
> around the duel boot issue.
>
>
> Steve Dawes
> Phone: (403) 268-5527
> Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
>
>
>
>
> NOTICE -
> This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or
> entity named above and may contain information that is confidential
> or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named
> above or a person responsible for delivering messages or
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> of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you
> have received this communication in error, please notify us
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> City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and co-operation.
>
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* * *
can you tell me more of VmWare?
Does it use SpeakUp?
I have a laptop, and I have tried several versions of Linux to try and boot 
to software speech, so I can access a hidden drive on my laptop, but neither 
distro allowed me to access my sound card.
I did order a USB to serial cable, so perhaps I could use my DecTalk Express 
with something.
Glenn 

Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Maurice Mines]

Dawes, Stephen wrote:
> Beth,
>
> Have you thought of running Linux as a virtual machine on your laptop
> instead of a duel boot.
> There are a few out there doing just this with VMWare with success.
>
> In this way, you can also have a number of instances of both
> distributions and configurations to choose from and at the same time get
> around the duel boot issue.
>
>
> Steve Dawes
> Phone: (403) 268-5527
> Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
>  
>  
>
>
> NOTICE -
> This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and co-operation.
>
>
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>   
    I have just a question about using VM waiter on Iraq tops or for 
that matter a desktop, how does a blind person you even go about 
configuring this to be used?
And how do you get speech to the virtual console?
As far as having to attempt to dual-boot and machine, it seems that 
someone should really about serious effort into writing a USB driver at 
it has been noted on this list before the days of a serial ports, are 
just numbered much like attempting to find a machine with a serial port 
and realizing that the only way to get it if either getting an old 
machine or special ordering a new one and really paying for it.
Just my two cents worth.
Maurice Mayans
NFB of Colorado assistant newsline coordinator, also cultural 
Association of blind students a member
just FYI this e-mail message has been written using Dragon version 9.5.

Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Beth Hatch]

Hello to everyone,

Thank you Janina, Steve, Rick, and others who responded to my questions 
about the Thinkpad.  I've been playing with the new computer and so I'm 
a bit behind in my email.<smile>  Tomorrow I'm going to try to install 
using two Linux machines as Janina and others have suggested while I'm 
at school.  I have a Linux desktop there that I use, and that way I can 
get someone to read a screen or two for me to make sure I don't blow up 
anything.<smile>  I've installed Fedora several times on my home desktop 
machine just fine, but this will be the first time I've tried a dual 
boot system.  I'll be trying the VMware solution too as suggested by 
Steve because it sounds cool and because it might help to know these 
things while I am seeking employment.  Thank you all once again for your 
suggestions and support, I'll let you know if/when I make any progress.

Thanks again!!

Beth


Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hi, Beth:
>
> I don't know about the docking station serial port, but if it registers
> as /dev/ttyS0, or some such, you should be OK. Of course, you may not
> know about this until after you've installed Linux on your Thinkpad.
>
> I would suggest you can accessibly install FC6 using speech on a second
> computer, probably your desktop. You need to have both machines
> connected over tcp/ip networking, and then you can use telnet from the
> desktop to the Thinkpad to install
> FC6 on the Thinkpad.
>
>
> Janina
>
> PS: Congrats on getting the 60. I'm still using an X31, but I'm a great
> fan of Thinkpads myself.
>
>
> Beth Hatch writes:
>   
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new 
>> Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the 
>> Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my 
>> Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I 
>> am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to 
>> either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the 
>> serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this 
>> computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive 
>> and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install 
>> Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to 
>> have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that 
>> having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available  
>> would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very 
>> important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software 
>> synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed 
>> first.<smile>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>   

RE: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Anthony Creapeau]

I started out with VMWare and Ubuntu as a virtual machine on my  laptop. It
slows to a crawl even with a high end system. From my personal experience I
would just go with the dual boot setup, which is the way I'm using it now.
The computer is much more responsive this way.  HTH

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Beth Hatch
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:32 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

Hello to everyone,

Thank you Janina, Steve, Rick, and others who responded to my questions
about the Thinkpad.  I've been playing with the new computer and so I'm a
bit behind in my email.<smile>  Tomorrow I'm going to try to install using
two Linux machines as Janina and others have suggested while I'm at school.
I have a Linux desktop there that I use, and that way I can get someone to
read a screen or two for me to make sure I don't blow up anything.<smile>
I've installed Fedora several times on my home desktop machine just fine,
but this will be the first time I've tried a dual boot system.  I'll be
trying the VMware solution too as suggested by Steve because it sounds cool
and because it might help to know these things while I am seeking
employment.  Thank you all once again for your suggestions and support, I'll
let you know if/when I make any progress.

Thanks again!!

Beth


Janina Sajka wrote:
> Hi, Beth:
>
> I don't know about the docking station serial port, but if it 
> registers as /dev/ttyS0, or some such, you should be OK. Of course, 
> you may not know about this until after you've installed Linux on your
Thinkpad.
>
> I would suggest you can accessibly install FC6 using speech on a 
> second computer, probably your desktop. You need to have both machines 
> connected over tcp/ip networking, and then you can use telnet from the 
> desktop to the Thinkpad to install
> FC6 on the Thinkpad.
>
>
> Janina
>
> PS: Congrats on getting the 60. I'm still using an X31, but I'm a 
> great fan of Thinkpads myself.
>
>
> Beth Hatch writes:
>   
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new 
>> Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using 
>> the Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, 
>> my Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the 
>> system.  I am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express 
>> hooked up to either the docking station, which does have a serial 
>> port, or the serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased 
>> for this computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove 
>> the DVD drive and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could 
>> probably install Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, 
>> but I would like to have Speakup for use in text mode work and for 
>> the flexibility that having Speakup access would provide for me.  
>> Having Speakup available would of course  allow me to  install Linux 
>> independently, also a very important factor for me!!  I know I can 
>> use Speakup with software synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I 
>> need to get it installed first.<smile>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>   

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Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Janina Sajka]

You're keeping a Win installation that came on your Thinkpad? That can
be done, certainly, but your first task may be to determine what hard
drive space you have available for Linux. If you're going to do a native
installation as opposed to only a vmware under Win, you may well need to
free some space for Linux. For instance, you may well need to shrink
some existing partition to create sufficient space for Linux.

PS: I would also strongly suggest you create at least three partitions
when you get to that point in the installation:

1.)	A / partition of at least10-12 Gb, and preferably more like
16Gb.
2.)	A swap partition of twice your RAM.
3.)	Give the rest of the space you free for Linux to your /home.

Guidance on doing a talking install over telnet is available at:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/blinux-list/2005-August/msg00038.html

Note that there is an error in this post. The correct way to specify the
particular ethernet device is something like ksdevice=eth0 or better
with your actual mac address like ksdevice=aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff

Good luck!

Janina

Beth Hatch writes:
> Hello to everyone,
> 
> Thank you Janina, Steve, Rick, and others who responded to my questions 
> about the Thinkpad.  I've been playing with the new computer and so I'm 
> a bit behind in my email.<smile>  Tomorrow I'm going to try to install 
> using two Linux machines as Janina and others have suggested while I'm 
> at school.  I have a Linux desktop there that I use, and that way I can 
> get someone to read a screen or two for me to make sure I don't blow up 
> anything.<smile>  I've installed Fedora several times on my home desktop 
> machine just fine, but this will be the first time I've tried a dual 
> boot system.  I'll be trying the VMware solution too as suggested by 
> Steve because it sounds cool and because it might help to know these 
> things while I am seeking employment.  Thank you all once again for your 
> suggestions and support, I'll let you know if/when I make any progress.
> 
> Thanks again!!
> 
> Beth
> 
> 
> Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Hi, Beth:
> >
> > I don't know about the docking station serial port, but if it registers
> > as /dev/ttyS0, or some such, you should be OK. Of course, you may not
> > know about this until after you've installed Linux on your Thinkpad.
> >
> > I would suggest you can accessibly install FC6 using speech on a second
> > computer, probably your desktop. You need to have both machines
> > connected over tcp/ip networking, and then you can use telnet from the
> > desktop to the Thinkpad to install
> > FC6 on the Thinkpad.
> >
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > PS: Congrats on getting the 60. I'm still using an X31, but I'm a great
> > fan of Thinkpads myself.
> >
> >
> > Beth Hatch writes:
> >   
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I would like to set up a dual boot using Fedora 6 on my brand new 
> >> Thinkpad T60P laptop.  I already have a Linux desktop computer using the 
> >> Speakup modified Fedora 6, Gnome and Orca, etc.  Unfortunately, my 
> >> Thinkpad doesn't have an onboard serial port built into the system.  I 
> >> am wondering if Speakup would recognize my Dectalk Express hooked up to 
> >> either the docking station, which does have a serial port, or the 
> >> serial/parallel port bay adapter that I also purchased for this 
> >> computer.  The adapter fits into the ultrabay, you remove the DVD drive 
> >> and put the adapter into the bay instead.  I could probably install 
> >> Linux in graphical mode only using Gnome and Orca, but I would like to 
> >> have Speakup for use in text mode work and for the flexibility that 
> >> having Speakup access would provide for me.  Having Speakup available  
> >> would of course  allow me to  install Linux independently, also a very 
> >> important factor for me!!  I know I can use Speakup with software 
> >> synthesizers and speech dispatcher, but I need to get it installed 
> >> first.<smile>
> >>     
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >   
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Re: Fedora 6 and Speakup on New Thinkpad

[Ricky Enger]

Hi ,
To my knowledge, the only reasonably stable method of using the Dec 
Express with Orca is through the Emacspeak speech services 
driver.  It's slightly sluggish this way, but not so much as to make 
it unusable or even that annoying.  To make that work, you'll just 
need to yum for the latest version of Emacspeak.  You'll then see the 
choice for Emacspeak speech services in the speech system combo box 
in the speech tab of the preferences dialog.

Still, that doesn't address the practical aspects of getting the 
system installed in the first place.  The telnet idea is indeed a 
good one, and while I haven't played with the Fedora live CD, I know 
that in theory at least you can use the graphical installer and Orca 
to install the system.

As to whether Speakup or Emacspeak would work with the serial port on 
the docking station or other device, I really couldn't say.  My only 
experience with a "nonstandard" serial device is with a USB to serial 
adapter and it doesn't work with Speakup.  Oddly enough, haven't 
tried it with Orca yet. Maybe I'll go do that now, smile.

Good luck getting everything installed and configured.

Ricky

At 12:12 PM 3/8/2007, you wrote:

>Hello,
>Bare in mind that the Dectalk Express driver may have bugs in it.  I'm not
>even sure if its available in the stable Orca tree.  As far as Orca's
>concerned, its not available in Sid yet.  Looking at the status of Gnome
>in Experimental, it looks like to me that All the Gnome 2.16 stuff is
>built for Amd64.  Since I don't have access to an Amd64 box at present
>(Sparc64 I do), its not available to me even in Experimental.  However,
>when it does become available in Unstable, I'd be more than willing to
>post a little review for any of you who may be interested in it.  From
>what I've heard of in Forefox 3 betas, it looks very promissing for what's
>coming down the pike.