getting started with linux

getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,
Will the following machine work with linux?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dell-gx150-p3-1133-desktop-256-mb-sdram-10-gb-hdd_W0QQitemZ280145248725QQihZ018QQcategoryZ111442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If it will will it also work with speakup?
Is the sound card supported?

Also what will I need to do to install linux? If it comes with windows 
can I just put my linux disk in and then boot? Then will it take me 
through the install?

Thanks,

--
Daniel Dalton

Re: getting started with linux

[Doug Sutherland]

Daniel,

There are very few PCs that will not work with linux. If you want to
determine if there
are sound card drivers for this particular machine, I suggest contact the
seller and ask
them what hardware the sound card is. Most likely it is part of the
motherboard
chipset. If it is, ask what chipset that is, and what software drivers are
used for it.
Then, check the supported sound card list here:

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main

But be careful about this particular auction, becuase it is located in
Brisbane
Australia, and states pickup in Brisbane or courier from Brisbane. If you
are
in Brisbane that may be okay, but ask what the shipping cost will be. Also
note
that this seller is only accepting money order or bank transactions, no
paypal
payments.

  -- Doug


> Will the following machine work with linux?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dell-gx150-p3-1133-desktop-256-mb-sdram-10-gb-hdd_W0QQitemZ280145248725QQihZ018QQcategoryZ111442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Re: getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi Doug:
Thanks for your help.
I haven't got a response and I don't think the add has got that long to 
go. So does anyone know where I could find a cheap machine that could 
run the command line version of linux? And that will work with speakup 
and has a supported sound card?

Also do I need a hardware synth for linux?
And does anyone know if I can use the braille note from humanware as a 
braille display?
Thanks,
--
Daniel Dalton

Re: getting started with linux

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 08:34:19PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> So does anyone know where I could find a cheap machine that could 
> run the command line version of linux? And that will work with speakup 
> and has a supported sound card?

Try a company that is getting rid of their computers, or a used
computer store, if you have one locally.

> Also do I need a hardware synth for linux?
> 

Technically, no, you don't, though having one would make your
install/use experience much easier, especially for a newby.

And does anyone know if I can use the braille note from humanware as a 
> braille display?

Supposedly, yes, though someone who has actually done so will need to
confirm that.

Greg


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Re: getting started with linux

[Arthur Pirika]

Hi, yes I've successfully used the braille note as a braille display under 
linuxx using BrlTTY. There's even a statically linked version of it 
available, so you can just have that on a floppy disk and you'll have 
braille almost from the word go.

hth,
Arthur.

Re: getting started with linux

[Chris Norman]

On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 20:34 +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> Hi Doug:
> Thanks for your help.
> I haven't got a response and I don't think the add has got that long to 
> go. So does anyone know where I could find a cheap machine that could 
> run the command line version of linux? And that will work with speakup 
> and has a supported sound card?

Anywhere from the bin upwards! :-D

Linux, with a command line interface takes up very few resources,
however, there might be a 128mb limit on the installation program (I
know there is / was on fedora).
> 
> Also do I need a hardware synth for linux?

Not necisarily... You can install Ubuntu with software speech, and you
can install fedora with telnet (from another machine), the latter means
that if you have an old windows box, you could boot fedora from within
VMWare, and then telnet into it with windows, using the same box, or you
can use a braille display (the braille note will do).

> And does anyone know if I can use the braille note from humanware as a 
> braille display?

Yep... You go into braille terminal on the braillenote, you have to use
the braillenote (bn) driver with brltty.

> Thanks,
> --
> Daniel Dalton
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,

Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling 
that pc I was looking at. He said the following:
"it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at 
google search " dell support" xp has drivers"

So is this going to work with linux and speakup?
I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it 
on the site with the supported cards.

Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

--
Daniel Dalton

Re: getting started with linux

[Doug Sutherland]

Daniel,

Here is the 815 chipset
http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/815/

This is an AC97 audio chip and does appear to 
be supported by linux ALSA sound drivers, it 
can use the generic AC97 sound driver
Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller

I see no reason why this should not work with speakup.

  -- Doug

Re: getting started with linux

[John Heim]

If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I were 
you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. Any 
PC that is a year old or older  is probably going to work. It's mostly very 
new hardware that isn't supported -- yet.

I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out to 
be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more 
likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that has 
an unsupported sound card.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM
Subject: Re: getting started with linux


> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling
> that pc I was looking at. He said the following:
> "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at
> google search " dell support" xp has drivers"
>
> So is this going to work with linux and speakup?
> I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it
> on the site with the supported cards.
>
> Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Daniel Dalton
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> 

Re: getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,
Just a couple more questions:
How do I setup the soundcard so I here sound through it once I have 
installed linux?
Also will I have to download a linux distribution and install that. Then 
install speakup? When speakup is working can I get it to talk through my 
speakers? If so what synth would it use. Like jaws can talk through my 
speakers can speakup do this or do I need a hardware synth?

Thanks.

--
Daniel Dalton


John Heim wrote:
> If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I were 
> you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. Any 
> PC that is a year old or older  is probably going to work. It's mostly very 
> new hardware that isn't supported -- yet.
>
> I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out to 
> be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more 
> likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that has 
> an unsupported sound card.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM
> Subject: Re: getting started with linux
>
>
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling
>> that pc I was looking at. He said the following:
>> "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at
>> google search " dell support" xp has drivers"
>>
>> So is this going to work with linux and speakup?
>> I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it
>> on the site with the supported cards.
>>
>> Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Dalton
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>   

Re: getting started with linux

[John Heim]

Most distros (fedora, debian, etc) will configure your sound card when you 
install  linux.  In fact, if you swap out the sound card, sound should be 
automatically be reconfigured. If it doesn't work, get back to us and we'll 
help you.

The answer to your second question depends on which distro you are using. If 
you are using debian or grml, you can use the simple instructions on my web 
site for setting up software speech. See:
http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/debian/#sftsynth

There are  more complete instructions here:
http://www.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd-up/speechd-up_1.html

The second page explains how to download and compile speechd-up. But I have 
created  a debian deb file that you can use if you have installed debian. 
That makes it a lot easier to get software speech working.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: getting started with linux


> Hi,
> Just a couple more questions:
> How do I setup the soundcard so I here sound through it once I have
> installed linux?
> Also will I have to download a linux distribution and install that. Then
> install speakup? When speakup is working can I get it to talk through my
> speakers? If so what synth would it use. Like jaws can talk through my
> speakers can speakup do this or do I need a hardware synth?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Daniel Dalton
>
>
> John Heim wrote:
>> If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I 
>> were
>> you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. 
>> Any
>> PC that is a year old or older  is probably going to work. It's mostly 
>> very
>> new hardware that isn't supported -- yet.
>>
>> I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out 
>> to
>> be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more
>> likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that 
>> has
>> an unsupported sound card.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: getting started with linux
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling
>>> that pc I was looking at. He said the following:
>>> "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at
>>> google search " dell support" xp has drivers"
>>>
>>> So is this going to work with linux and speakup?
>>> I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it
>>> on the site with the supported cards.
>>>
>>> Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Dalton
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> 

Re: getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,

Thanks for all the help.
Can someone tell me if this will work:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/IBM-INTEL-2-0G-256MB-13GB-CDROM-17inCRT-KB-MOUSE_W0QQitemZ190146837530QQihZ009QQcategoryZ111448QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Also the guy said the following about the soundcard.
"Its a sound MAX ADI sound card, go to the ibm website and enter 
6790-2GA in the search field. YOu will find all the info on the system. 
I had a quick look
but couldn't find any ref to linux drivers.
"
I looked at the website Doug said but I couldn't find it. Could someone 
please have another look for me because I am sure I have missed something.

Thanks,

--
Daniel Dalton

John Heim wrote:
> Most distros (fedora, debian, etc) will configure your sound card when you 
> install  linux.  In fact, if you swap out the sound card, sound should be 
> automatically be reconfigured. If it doesn't work, get back to us and we'll 
> help you.
>
> The answer to your second question depends on which distro you are using. If 
> you are using debian or grml, you can use the simple instructions on my web 
> site for setting up software speech. See:
> http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/debian/#sftsynth
>
> There are  more complete instructions here:
> http://www.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd-up/speechd-up_1.html
>
> The second page explains how to download and compile speechd-up. But I have 
> created  a debian deb file that you can use if you have installed debian. 
> That makes it a lot easier to get software speech working.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:51 AM
> Subject: Re: getting started with linux
>
>
>   
>> Hi,
>> Just a couple more questions:
>> How do I setup the soundcard so I here sound through it once I have
>> installed linux?
>> Also will I have to download a linux distribution and install that. Then
>> install speakup? When speakup is working can I get it to talk through my
>> speakers? If so what synth would it use. Like jaws can talk through my
>> speakers can speakup do this or do I need a hardware synth?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Dalton
>>
>>
>> John Heim wrote:
>>     
>>> If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I 
>>> were
>>> you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. 
>>> Any
>>> PC that is a year old or older  is probably going to work. It's mostly 
>>> very
>>> new hardware that isn't supported -- yet.
>>>
>>> I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out 
>>> to
>>> be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more
>>> likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that 
>>> has
>>> an unsupported sound card.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: getting started with linux
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling
>>>> that pc I was looking at. He said the following:
>>>> "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at
>>>> google search " dell support" xp has drivers"
>>>>
>>>> So is this going to work with linux and speakup?
>>>> I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it
>>>> on the site with the supported cards.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel Dalton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>   

Re: getting started with linux

[Doug Sutherland]

Daniel,

ADI is Analog Devices and Soundmax is an ADI audio codec that
is made for AC97. Just as with the other PC you mentioned this
one supports AC97 and there is a generic AC97 driver that works
on linux. AC97 is an audio standard where the controller of the
audio device is on the host and the audio codecs follow specs
such that they are interchangeable. That basically means it doesn't
matter if it's an ADI, Cirrus Logic, or Texas Instruments AC97
audio device, they will all behave the same way following the
AC97 specifications. Here's an ADI FAQ on SoundMax:


http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/technology/audioVideo/soundMaxFaqsGeneral.html

The FAQ states
6 Where can I find Linux drivers?
 We don't provide Linux drivers directly. We go through the Advanced Linux
Sound Architecture Group. You'll need to go there for Linux drivers.

Although it's not clear from the info you have exactly which audio chip is
in
that machine, the Analog Devices support for ALSA is listed here

http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Analog_Devices

The audio chip is most likely one of the chips listed in the section labeled
as AC97. And even if it's not in the list, as mentioned earlier, AC97 is an
industry standard, and the device will work with generic AC97 drivers
anyways.

Should be no problem with an IBM/Intel machine.

G'Day mate :)

  -- Doug

Re: getting started with linux

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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> Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling
> mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will
> also be compiling my own programs.

That would be perfectly fine for what you intend to do with the system.

> Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux?

You can, though I'm not familiar with the tools you need to do it. I
know people who have done it though.

> Does nano do the indentation?

It can be configured to do it, yes.

> So could I get  linux and just install it and speakup would come with
> it?
>
> Or is there nothing like this out there?

Many of the distributions are available in a flavor which includes a
speakup patched kernel. Slackware, Debian, and Fedora are the three I'm
aware of. I personally use one called Gentoo which is a from source
distribution, and it takes some doing to get things up and running with
it because of the level of customization it offers. Probably for your
purposes you want one of the three I listed though. That or one of the
many distributions based on one of those three.

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Re: getting started with linux

[Scott]

Hi Daniel
As far as Speakup goes you can get it from www.linux-speakup.org in distros 
(distributions) or you can install it yourself.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: getting started with linux


> Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
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>> Hey there Daniel,
>>
>>
> Hi Joseph,
>>> 1. I will just be doing the following:
>>> using a text editor,
>>> using gcc,
>>> using the web and email a little bit,
>>> Using the rockbox compilers I will install
>>> and I will also be copying files to and from USB  drives.
>>>
>>> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633
>>> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting
>>> into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up
>>> and linux fine?
>>>
>>
>> As long as all you want to use is the command line interface, those
>> specs will work just fine. Of course more ram, faster processors, etc.
>> never hurts, but Linux can run happily with the system you just
>> described. If I were you, I'd also make sure the system supports USB
>> 2.0, or high speed USB it is also called. Many older systems don't have
>> that ability, and if you'll be moving lots of data between machines,
>> it's something you'll really want. The difference is noticeable. If your
>> system doesn't have it, it's fine. You can buy a PCI card to support it.
>>
>>
> Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling
> mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will
> also be compiling my own programs.
> Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux?
>
> 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the
>>> command line interface?
>>>
>>
>> Speakup gives you access to the command line interface, but not the
>> graphical interface. If you want access to the graphical, which it
>> doesn't sound like you do, then you need additional software. In other
>> words, speakup is probably all you need.
>>
>>
> Ok then.
>
>
> 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that
>>> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings.
>>>
>>
>> There are several. I personally prefer one called nano. If you prefer a
>> vi style one, then try vim.
>>
>>
>
> Does nano do the indentation?
>
>>> 4. Will I have access to gcc?
>>>
>>
>> gcc comes with nearly all distributions of Linux. If you select one
>> where it isn't installed by default, then installing it yourself after
>> the fact shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>>
>>> 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide?
>>>
>>
>> Try The Linux Documentation Project.
>>
>> http://www.tldp.org
>>
>> They have guides, howtos, etc.
>>
>>
>>> 6. How hard is speak up to install?
>>>
>>
>> It comes with many of the distributions already installed in your
>> kernel. Again, it's possible you may select a distribution where it's
>> not, but if that's the case it can be installed pretty easily.
>>
>
> So could I get  linux and just install it and speakup would come with it?
>
> Or is there nothing like this out there?
>
>
> All help is greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> Daniel Dalton
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
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Re: getting started with linux

[Doug Sutherland]

Greg wrote:
> It looks like the answer to that is yes, though I've never tried it.
> http://www.mingw.org

I have used mingw to write windows applications, but I did that on windows
not linux. The reason to use it was to use GNU compiler and tools instead
of microsoft or other vendor windows based development tools. There is a
win32 api for mingw, and it definitely works, also does work on linux.

http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/build%20a%20Win32%20x-compiler%20for%20Linux

Mingw is nice due to its minimalist approach relative to cygwin, which has
so much stuff its astonishing. However, the win32 api itself is quite
complex.
It takes some time to figure out how to do the simplest of apps in win32
due its window and associated event/class model. No simple hello world
on win32.

But that's windows for you :)

  -- Doug

Re: getting started with linux

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 05:59:55PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling 
> mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will 
> also be compiling my own programs.

That would go a bit faster, though what you described previously
should be fine also for those tasks.

> Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux?

It looks like the answer to that is yes, though I've never tried it.
http://www.mingw.org

> So could I get  linux and just install it and speakup would come with it?
> 
> Or is there nothing like this out there?
> 

Linux is a kernel, and the speakup patch isn't currently included in
the mainstream kernel. So, the literal answer to your question would
be that no, if you just got linux, and installed it, speakup wouldn't
come with it. What I do think you meant though was could you just get
and install a distribution of gnu/linux, (gnu/linux refers to a
complete system, meaning the gnu tools and the linux kernel), and
expect speakup to come with it. As has been mentioned before, you need
a distribution of gnu/linux which has been modified with a
speakup-patched linux kernel. I gave you links to several of those in
my previous response to this thread. If you get your install media
from any of those pages, you will have a distribution of gnu/linux
which will contain speakup in it as well.

Greg


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Re: getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Joseph C. Lininger wrote:
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> Hey there Daniel,
>
>   
Hi Joseph,
>> 1. I will just be doing the following:
>> using a text editor,
>> using gcc,
>> using the web and email a little bit,
>> Using the rockbox compilers I will install
>> and I will also be copying files to and from USB  drives.
>>
>> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 
>> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting 
>> into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up 
>> and linux fine?
>>     
>
> As long as all you want to use is the command line interface, those
> specs will work just fine. Of course more ram, faster processors, etc.
> never hurts, but Linux can run happily with the system you just
> described. If I were you, I'd also make sure the system supports USB
> 2.0, or high speed USB it is also called. Many older systems don't have
> that ability, and if you'll be moving lots of data between machines,
> it's something you'll really want. The difference is noticeable. If your
> system doesn't have it, it's fine. You can buy a PCI card to support it.
>
>   
Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling 
mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will 
also be compiling my own programs.
Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux?

2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the
>> command line interface?
>>     
>
> Speakup gives you access to the command line interface, but not the
> graphical interface. If you want access to the graphical, which it
> doesn't sound like you do, then you need additional software. In other
> words, speakup is probably all you need.
>
>   
Ok then.


3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that
>> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings.
>>     
>
> There are several. I personally prefer one called nano. If you prefer a
> vi style one, then try vim.
>
>   

Does nano do the indentation?

>> 4. Will I have access to gcc?
>>     
>
> gcc comes with nearly all distributions of Linux. If you select one
> where it isn't installed by default, then installing it yourself after
> the fact shouldn't be a problem.
>
>   
>> 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide?
>>     
>
> Try The Linux Documentation Project.
>
> http://www.tldp.org
>
> They have guides, howtos, etc.
>
>   
>> 6. How hard is speak up to install?
>>     
>
> It comes with many of the distributions already installed in your
> kernel. Again, it's possible you may select a distribution where it's
> not, but if that's the case it can be installed pretty easily.
>   

So could I get  linux and just install it and speakup would come with it?

Or is there nothing like this out there?


All help is greatly appreciated.

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Re: getting started with linux

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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Hey there Daniel,

> 1. I will just be doing the following:
> using a text editor,
> using gcc,
> using the web and email a little bit,
> Using the rockbox compilers I will install
> and I will also be copying files to and from USB  drives.
> 
> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 
> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting 
> into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up 
> and linux fine?

As long as all you want to use is the command line interface, those
specs will work just fine. Of course more ram, faster processors, etc.
never hurts, but Linux can run happily with the system you just
described. If I were you, I'd also make sure the system supports USB
2.0, or high speed USB it is also called. Many older systems don't have
that ability, and if you'll be moving lots of data between machines,
it's something you'll really want. The difference is noticeable. If your
system doesn't have it, it's fine. You can buy a PCI card to support it.

> 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the 
> command line interface?

Speakup gives you access to the command line interface, but not the
graphical interface. If you want access to the graphical, which it
doesn't sound like you do, then you need additional software. In other
words, speakup is probably all you need.

> 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that 
> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings.

There are several. I personally prefer one called nano. If you prefer a
vi style one, then try vim.

> 4. Will I have access to gcc?

gcc comes with nearly all distributions of Linux. If you select one
where it isn't installed by default, then installing it yourself after
the fact shouldn't be a problem.

> 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide?

Try The Linux Documentation Project.

http://www.tldp.org

They have guides, howtos, etc.

> 6. How hard is speak up to install?

It comes with many of the distributions already installed in your
kernel. Again, it's possible you may select a distribution where it's
not, but if that's the case it can be installed pretty easily.
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Re: getting started with linux

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:57:16PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> So just using  a text editor, compiler and make file will work on a 
> machine like this?

Yes.

> > Does the command line have an accessible text editor? Also what is the graphical interface?

Yes, of course, the command-line has a variety of accessible
editors. The graphical interface is to the command-line what windows
is to dos. I can't think of a simpler way to put it.

> >   > > Do you know of any good ones? And how would I install them and run them?
> 

I can't think of a command-line gnu/linux editor that could be
referred to as bad. Most of them, if not all of them should be able to
do what you want. I use emacs myself, which has a steep learning
curve, and I use vi also. Others here like nano as well, and I'm
sure there are other popular editors I've forgotten to mention. As for
how to install them, that will depend on the distribution of gnu/linux
you'd be going with. To run them, you'd just type the editor's name,
and press enter, (I.E. emacs to run emacs, vi to run vi, nano to run
nano, and so on).

> > Ok and where would I get linux from to install on to my machine?

http://people.debian.org/~shane/

http://www.slackware.com

http://www.speakupmodified.org

http://www.gentoo.org

http://www.ubuntu.com

These are just the more popular distributions that contain
speakup. Also note that in the case of the debian link for example, it
is just a link to the downloads, and you'll want to go to
www.debian.org to read the install documentation.

> If it came with win 98 could I remove this and install linux? If so
 how?

Yes. As for how you'd do it, I'd think the easiest method would be to
have your distribution's installer, (if it has that option), remove
all partitions on the disk, and use the whole disk space. Again, how
you'd do this exactly depends on the distribution you decide to go
with. So, I guess the simplest answer would be that you'd do it by
removing the win98 partition, and partitioning your whole drive to use gnu/linux.

> And would I be able to search the internet for programming stuff as well as send and receive email on  this type of machine?

Yes to everything.

> And one more question what sound card will I need. If I have the right 
> sound card will speakup work with it and come with a synthesizer?

That's a tough question to answer. It would be easier if you googled
your sound card, to find out if linux supports it, or if you posted
make and model, and any kind of info about your sound card to the
list, so that one of us could find out if linux supports it. Speakup
doesn't communicate with the sound card directly, so this question is
a bit misdirected. However, if linux supports your sound card, the
speech synthesizer you choose to use will talk through that sound
card.

Greg


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Re: getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Willem van der Walt wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Daniel Dalton wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi,
>> I am learning to program in c and I am looking to buy a machine to run 
>> linux.
>> So I just have some questions.
>> 1. I will just be doing the following:
>> using a text editor,
>> using gcc,
>> using the web and email a little bit,
>> Using the rockbox compilers I will install
>> and I will also be copying files to and from USB  drives.
>>
>> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 
>> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. 
>>     
> Yes, although more ram when compiling helps, it should work.
>
> I am just getting into this so I don't need the best results but would that run
>  speak up and Linux fine?
> Yes as long as you have a sound card supported by Linux or a hardware 
> synth supported by speakup.
>   

So just using  a text editor, compiler and make file will work on a 
machine like this?

>> 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the 
>> command line interface?
>>     
> The command-line interface is what speakup gives access to.
> If you want graphical access your machine would be too small for a modern 
> Linux anyway.
> The command-line is all you need to use gcc which you can install from 
> your Linux cd.
>   


> Does the command line have an accessible text editor? Also what is the graphical interface?
>   

>> 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that 
>> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings.
>>     
> There are many. Most of these can be configured to do what you want and 
> will 
> by default save in the UNIX format.
>
>   

> Do you know of any good ones? And how would I install them and run them?

6. How hard is speak up to install?
> There are speakup-modified distributions.  If you use one of those, it is 
> not that difficult.
> I think ubuntu 7.4 is currently the easyest, but there are several 
> options.
>
> Ok and where would I get linux from to install on to my machine? If it came with win 98 could I remove this and install linux? If so how? And would I be able to search the internet for programming stuff as well as send and receive email on  this type of machine?
And one more question what sound card will I need. If I have the right 
sound card will speakup work with it and come with a synthesizer?

Thanks for all your help and if you could answer these questions I would 
greatly appreciate it.

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Re: getting started with linux

[Willem van der Walt]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Daniel Dalton wrote:

> Hi,
> I am learning to program in c and I am looking to buy a machine to run 
> linux.
> So I just have some questions.
> 1. I will just be doing the following:
> using a text editor,
> using gcc,
> using the web and email a little bit,
> Using the rockbox compilers I will install
> and I will also be copying files to and from USB  drives.
> 
> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 
> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. 
Yes, although more ram when compiling helps, it should work.

I am just getting into this so I don't need the best results but would that run
 speak up and Linux fine?
Yes as long as you have a sound card supported by Linux or a hardware 
synth supported by speakup.
> 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the 
> command line interface?
The command-line interface is what speakup gives access to.
If you want graphical access your machine would be too small for a modern 
Linux anyway.
The command-line is all you need to use gcc which you can install from 
your Linux cd.

> 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that 
> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings.
There are many. Most of these can be configured to do what you want and 
will 
by default save in the UNIX format.

> 4. Will I have access to gcc?
Yes just install it when you install your linux.

> 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide?
google for dos2linux howto and you will find some guides.

> 6. How hard is speak up to install?
There are speakup-modified distributions.  If you use one of those, it is 
not that difficult.
I think ubuntu 7.4 is currently the easyest, but there are several 
options.

> 
> If someone could help me out with these questions I would greatly 
> appreciate it.
HTH, Willem

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getting started with linux

[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,
I am learning to program in c and I am looking to buy a machine to run 
linux.
So I just have some questions.
1. I will just be doing the following:
using a text editor,
using gcc,
using the web and email a little bit,
Using the rockbox compilers I will install
and I will also be copying files to and from USB  drives.

So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 
mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting 
into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up 
and linux fine?
2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the 
command line interface?
3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that 
does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings.
4. Will I have access to gcc?
5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide?
6. How hard is speak up to install?

If someone could help me out with these questions I would greatly 
appreciate it.

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Daniel Dalton