* getting started with linux @ Daniel Dalton ` Willem van der Walt ` Joseph C. Lininger 0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, I am learning to program in c and I am looking to buy a machine to run linux. So I just have some questions. 1. I will just be doing the following: using a text editor, using gcc, using the web and email a little bit, Using the rockbox compilers I will install and I will also be copying files to and from USB drives. So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up and linux fine? 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the command line interface? 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings. 4. Will I have access to gcc? 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide? 6. How hard is speak up to install? If someone could help me out with these questions I would greatly appreciate it. -- Daniel Dalton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux getting started with linux Daniel Dalton @ ` Willem van der Walt ` Daniel Dalton ` Joseph C. Lininger 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Willem van der Walt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Daniel Dalton wrote: > Hi, > I am learning to program in c and I am looking to buy a machine to run > linux. > So I just have some questions. > 1. I will just be doing the following: > using a text editor, > using gcc, > using the web and email a little bit, > Using the rockbox compilers I will install > and I will also be copying files to and from USB drives. > > So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 > mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. Yes, although more ram when compiling helps, it should work. I am just getting into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up and Linux fine? Yes as long as you have a sound card supported by Linux or a hardware synth supported by speakup. > 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the > command line interface? The command-line interface is what speakup gives access to. If you want graphical access your machine would be too small for a modern Linux anyway. The command-line is all you need to use gcc which you can install from your Linux cd. > 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that > does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings. There are many. Most of these can be configured to do what you want and will by default save in the UNIX format. > 4. Will I have access to gcc? Yes just install it when you install your linux. > 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide? google for dos2linux howto and you will find some guides. > 6. How hard is speak up to install? There are speakup-modified distributions. If you use one of those, it is not that difficult. I think ubuntu 7.4 is currently the easyest, but there are several options. > > If someone could help me out with these questions I would greatly > appreciate it. HTH, Willem > > -- > Daniel Dalton > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the views of the CSIR. CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.html CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject line to CallCentre@csir.co.za. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for their support. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Willem van der Walt @ ` Daniel Dalton ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Willem van der Walt wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007, Daniel Dalton wrote: > > >> Hi, >> I am learning to program in c and I am looking to buy a machine to run >> linux. >> So I just have some questions. >> 1. I will just be doing the following: >> using a text editor, >> using gcc, >> using the web and email a little bit, >> Using the rockbox compilers I will install >> and I will also be copying files to and from USB drives. >> >> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 >> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. >> > Yes, although more ram when compiling helps, it should work. > > I am just getting into this so I don't need the best results but would that run > speak up and Linux fine? > Yes as long as you have a sound card supported by Linux or a hardware > synth supported by speakup. > So just using a text editor, compiler and make file will work on a machine like this? >> 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the >> command line interface? >> > The command-line interface is what speakup gives access to. > If you want graphical access your machine would be too small for a modern > Linux anyway. > The command-line is all you need to use gcc which you can install from > your Linux cd. > > Does the command line have an accessible text editor? Also what is the graphical interface? > >> 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that >> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings. >> > There are many. Most of these can be configured to do what you want and > will > by default save in the UNIX format. > > > Do you know of any good ones? And how would I install them and run them? 6. How hard is speak up to install? > There are speakup-modified distributions. If you use one of those, it is > not that difficult. > I think ubuntu 7.4 is currently the easyest, but there are several > options. > > Ok and where would I get linux from to install on to my machine? If it came with win 98 could I remove this and install linux? If so how? And would I be able to search the internet for programming stuff as well as send and receive email on this type of machine? And one more question what sound card will I need. If I have the right sound card will speakup work with it and come with a synthesizer? Thanks for all your help and if you could answer these questions I would greatly appreciate it. -- Daniel Dalton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 11, 2007 at 12:57:16PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: > So just using a text editor, compiler and make file will work on a > machine like this? Yes. > > Does the command line have an accessible text editor? Also what is the graphical interface? Yes, of course, the command-line has a variety of accessible editors. The graphical interface is to the command-line what windows is to dos. I can't think of a simpler way to put it. > > > > Do you know of any good ones? And how would I install them and run them? > I can't think of a command-line gnu/linux editor that could be referred to as bad. Most of them, if not all of them should be able to do what you want. I use emacs myself, which has a steep learning curve, and I use vi also. Others here like nano as well, and I'm sure there are other popular editors I've forgotten to mention. As for how to install them, that will depend on the distribution of gnu/linux you'd be going with. To run them, you'd just type the editor's name, and press enter, (I.E. emacs to run emacs, vi to run vi, nano to run nano, and so on). > > Ok and where would I get linux from to install on to my machine? http://people.debian.org/~shane/ http://www.slackware.com http://www.speakupmodified.org http://www.gentoo.org http://www.ubuntu.com These are just the more popular distributions that contain speakup. Also note that in the case of the debian link for example, it is just a link to the downloads, and you'll want to go to www.debian.org to read the install documentation. > If it came with win 98 could I remove this and install linux? If so how? Yes. As for how you'd do it, I'd think the easiest method would be to have your distribution's installer, (if it has that option), remove all partitions on the disk, and use the whole disk space. Again, how you'd do this exactly depends on the distribution you decide to go with. So, I guess the simplest answer would be that you'd do it by removing the win98 partition, and partitioning your whole drive to use gnu/linux. > And would I be able to search the internet for programming stuff as well as send and receive email on this type of machine? Yes to everything. > And one more question what sound card will I need. If I have the right > sound card will speakup work with it and come with a synthesizer? That's a tough question to answer. It would be easier if you googled your sound card, to find out if linux supports it, or if you posted make and model, and any kind of info about your sound card to the list, so that one of us could find out if linux supports it. Speakup doesn't communicate with the sound card directly, so this question is a bit misdirected. However, if linux supports your sound card, the speech synthesizer you choose to use will talk through that sound card. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGvSy87s9z/XlyUyARAvrUAJwLNqkEScwZcTqQsyA1ASxBOKycBACgj+Tu VU6YFO83xy94KnE2uSKj2Jo= =WcJy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux getting started with linux Daniel Dalton ` Willem van der Walt @ ` Joseph C. Lininger ` Daniel Dalton 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hey there Daniel, > 1. I will just be doing the following: > using a text editor, > using gcc, > using the web and email a little bit, > Using the rockbox compilers I will install > and I will also be copying files to and from USB drives. > > So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 > mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting > into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up > and linux fine? As long as all you want to use is the command line interface, those specs will work just fine. Of course more ram, faster processors, etc. never hurts, but Linux can run happily with the system you just described. If I were you, I'd also make sure the system supports USB 2.0, or high speed USB it is also called. Many older systems don't have that ability, and if you'll be moving lots of data between machines, it's something you'll really want. The difference is noticeable. If your system doesn't have it, it's fine. You can buy a PCI card to support it. > 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the > command line interface? Speakup gives you access to the command line interface, but not the graphical interface. If you want access to the graphical, which it doesn't sound like you do, then you need additional software. In other words, speakup is probably all you need. > 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that > does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings. There are several. I personally prefer one called nano. If you prefer a vi style one, then try vim. > 4. Will I have access to gcc? gcc comes with nearly all distributions of Linux. If you select one where it isn't installed by default, then installing it yourself after the fact shouldn't be a problem. > 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide? Try The Linux Documentation Project. http://www.tldp.org They have guides, howtos, etc. > 6. How hard is speak up to install? It comes with many of the distributions already installed in your kernel. Again, it's possible you may select a distribution where it's not, but if that's the case it can be installed pretty easily. - -- An ignorent man is never defeated in an argument. Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm@pcdesk.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGvjmKJ6dqn0mqPbARAw6SAKCsXNt5L8u+NcefMEm9ungNeZmO/QCeJ/ys 2PYFCcvaxr9SDvXIgzrrAUw= =TV7I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Joseph C. Lininger @ ` Daniel Dalton ` Gregory Nowak ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Hey there Daniel, > > Hi Joseph, >> 1. I will just be doing the following: >> using a text editor, >> using gcc, >> using the web and email a little bit, >> Using the rockbox compilers I will install >> and I will also be copying files to and from USB drives. >> >> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 >> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting >> into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up >> and linux fine? >> > > As long as all you want to use is the command line interface, those > specs will work just fine. Of course more ram, faster processors, etc. > never hurts, but Linux can run happily with the system you just > described. If I were you, I'd also make sure the system supports USB > 2.0, or high speed USB it is also called. Many older systems don't have > that ability, and if you'll be moving lots of data between machines, > it's something you'll really want. The difference is noticeable. If your > system doesn't have it, it's fine. You can buy a PCI card to support it. > > Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will also be compiling my own programs. Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux? 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the >> command line interface? >> > > Speakup gives you access to the command line interface, but not the > graphical interface. If you want access to the graphical, which it > doesn't sound like you do, then you need additional software. In other > words, speakup is probably all you need. > > Ok then. 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that >> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings. >> > > There are several. I personally prefer one called nano. If you prefer a > vi style one, then try vim. > > Does nano do the indentation? >> 4. Will I have access to gcc? >> > > gcc comes with nearly all distributions of Linux. If you select one > where it isn't installed by default, then installing it yourself after > the fact shouldn't be a problem. > > >> 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide? >> > > Try The Linux Documentation Project. > > http://www.tldp.org > > They have guides, howtos, etc. > > >> 6. How hard is speak up to install? >> > > It comes with many of the distributions already installed in your > kernel. Again, it's possible you may select a distribution where it's > not, but if that's the case it can be installed pretty easily. > So could I get linux and just install it and speakup would come with it? Or is there nothing like this out there? All help is greatly appreciated. -- Daniel Dalton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Doug Sutherland ` Scott ` Joseph C. Lininger 2 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 12, 2007 at 05:59:55PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: > Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling > mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will > also be compiling my own programs. That would go a bit faster, though what you described previously should be fine also for those tasks. > Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux? It looks like the answer to that is yes, though I've never tried it. http://www.mingw.org > So could I get linux and just install it and speakup would come with it? > > Or is there nothing like this out there? > Linux is a kernel, and the speakup patch isn't currently included in the mainstream kernel. So, the literal answer to your question would be that no, if you just got linux, and installed it, speakup wouldn't come with it. What I do think you meant though was could you just get and install a distribution of gnu/linux, (gnu/linux refers to a complete system, meaning the gnu tools and the linux kernel), and expect speakup to come with it. As has been mentioned before, you need a distribution of gnu/linux which has been modified with a speakup-patched linux kernel. I gave you links to several of those in my previous response to this thread. If you get your install media from any of those pages, you will have a distribution of gnu/linux which will contain speakup in it as well. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGv5KS7s9z/XlyUyARAlTEAJ0eEl0YKvhzCbMF/VGo6gXNTVJIFACguvyp dvh9hoijIuL38MV4TAwskDE= =1T5W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Greg wrote: > It looks like the answer to that is yes, though I've never tried it. > http://www.mingw.org I have used mingw to write windows applications, but I did that on windows not linux. The reason to use it was to use GNU compiler and tools instead of microsoft or other vendor windows based development tools. There is a win32 api for mingw, and it definitely works, also does work on linux. http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/build%20a%20Win32%20x-compiler%20for%20Linux Mingw is nice due to its minimalist approach relative to cygwin, which has so much stuff its astonishing. However, the win32 api itself is quite complex. It takes some time to figure out how to do the simplest of apps in win32 due its window and associated event/class model. No simple hello world on win32. But that's windows for you :) -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Scott ` Joseph C. Lininger 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Scott @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Daniel As far as Speakup goes you can get it from www.linux-speakup.org in distros (distributions) or you can install it yourself. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:59 AM Subject: Re: getting started with linux > Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: RIPEMD160 >> >> Hey there Daniel, >> >> > Hi Joseph, >>> 1. I will just be doing the following: >>> using a text editor, >>> using gcc, >>> using the web and email a little bit, >>> Using the rockbox compilers I will install >>> and I will also be copying files to and from USB drives. >>> >>> So my question is what sort of machine will I need? Would one with 633 >>> mhz cpu 128 mb of ram and a 10 gb hard drive work. I am just getting >>> into this so I don't need the best results but would that run speak up >>> and linux fine? >>> >> >> As long as all you want to use is the command line interface, those >> specs will work just fine. Of course more ram, faster processors, etc. >> never hurts, but Linux can run happily with the system you just >> described. If I were you, I'd also make sure the system supports USB >> 2.0, or high speed USB it is also called. Many older systems don't have >> that ability, and if you'll be moving lots of data between machines, >> it's something you'll really want. The difference is noticeable. If your >> system doesn't have it, it's fine. You can buy a PCI card to support it. >> >> > Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling > mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will > also be compiling my own programs. > Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux? > > 2. Does speak up give me access to everything in linux including the >>> command line interface? >>> >> >> Speakup gives you access to the command line interface, but not the >> graphical interface. If you want access to the graphical, which it >> doesn't sound like you do, then you need additional software. In other >> words, speakup is probably all you need. >> >> > Ok then. > > > 3. What is a good text editor for programming on linux? I need one that >>> does the indentation as well as saves with unix style line endings. >>> >> >> There are several. I personally prefer one called nano. If you prefer a >> vi style one, then try vim. >> >> > > Does nano do the indentation? > >>> 4. Will I have access to gcc? >>> >> >> gcc comes with nearly all distributions of Linux. If you select one >> where it isn't installed by default, then installing it yourself after >> the fact shouldn't be a problem. >> >> >>> 5. Does anyone know of a basic linux guide? >>> >> >> Try The Linux Documentation Project. >> >> http://www.tldp.org >> >> They have guides, howtos, etc. >> >> >>> 6. How hard is speak up to install? >>> >> >> It comes with many of the distributions already installed in your >> kernel. Again, it's possible you may select a distribution where it's >> not, but if that's the case it can be installed pretty easily. >> > > So could I get linux and just install it and speakup would come with it? > > Or is there nothing like this out there? > > > All help is greatly appreciated. > > -- > Daniel Dalton > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: 8/12/2007 > 11:03 AM > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton ` Gregory Nowak ` Scott @ ` Joseph C. Lininger 2 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 > Ok how would 256 mb ram go and a 1 ghz processor go? I will be compiling > mostly an open source project for mp3 players called rockbox. I will > also be compiling my own programs. That would be perfectly fine for what you intend to do with the system. > Just a question can you build win 32 apps on linux? You can, though I'm not familiar with the tools you need to do it. I know people who have done it though. > Does nano do the indentation? It can be configured to do it, yes. > So could I get linux and just install it and speakup would come with > it? > > Or is there nothing like this out there? Many of the distributions are available in a flavor which includes a speakup patched kernel. Slackware, Debian, and Fedora are the three I'm aware of. I personally use one called Gentoo which is a from source distribution, and it takes some doing to get things up and running with it because of the level of customization it offers. Probably for your purposes you want one of the three I listed though. That or one of the many distributions based on one of those three. - -- An ignorent man is never defeated in an argument. Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm@pcdesk.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFGwAMlJ6dqn0mqPbARA32AAJ9E3oVbpt6vfveLJLGPhGrKcniBzwCghvRB lZmrWktkYI8AFsYnkL7zso0= =oLVR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* getting started with linux @ Daniel Dalton ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Will the following machine work with linux? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dell-gx150-p3-1133-desktop-256-mb-sdram-10-gb-hdd_W0QQitemZ280145248725QQihZ018QQcategoryZ111442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem If it will will it also work with speakup? Is the sound card supported? Also what will I need to do to install linux? If it comes with windows can I just put my linux disk in and then boot? Then will it take me through the install? Thanks, -- Daniel Dalton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux Daniel Dalton @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Daniel Dalton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Daniel, There are very few PCs that will not work with linux. If you want to determine if there are sound card drivers for this particular machine, I suggest contact the seller and ask them what hardware the sound card is. Most likely it is part of the motherboard chipset. If it is, ask what chipset that is, and what software drivers are used for it. Then, check the supported sound card list here: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main But be careful about this particular auction, becuase it is located in Brisbane Australia, and states pickup in Brisbane or courier from Brisbane. If you are in Brisbane that may be okay, but ask what the shipping cost will be. Also note that this seller is only accepting money order or bank transactions, no paypal payments. -- Doug > Will the following machine work with linux? > http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dell-gx150-p3-1133-desktop-256-mb-sdram-10-gb-hdd_W0QQitemZ280145248725QQihZ018QQcategoryZ111442QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Daniel Dalton ` Gregory Nowak ` Chris Norman 0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Doug: Thanks for your help. I haven't got a response and I don't think the add has got that long to go. So does anyone know where I could find a cheap machine that could run the command line version of linux? And that will work with speakup and has a supported sound card? Also do I need a hardware synth for linux? And does anyone know if I can use the braille note from humanware as a braille display? Thanks, -- Daniel Dalton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Arthur Pirika ` Chris Norman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 27, 2007 at 08:34:19PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: > So does anyone know where I could find a cheap machine that could > run the command line version of linux? And that will work with speakup > and has a supported sound card? Try a company that is getting rid of their computers, or a used computer store, if you have one locally. > Also do I need a hardware synth for linux? > Technically, no, you don't, though having one would make your install/use experience much easier, especially for a newby. And does anyone know if I can use the braille note from humanware as a > braille display? Supposedly, yes, though someone who has actually done so will need to confirm that. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFG0wl+7s9z/XlyUyARAsYfAJ9wh3nM7P0TCanW71o+5W17jgpcGQCg4FMn 35zu3ASk0HDn6tQ/nAsvM64= =UlJJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Arthur Pirika 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Arthur Pirika @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, yes I've successfully used the braille note as a braille display under linuxx using BrlTTY. There's even a statically linked version of it available, so you can just have that on a floppy disk and you'll have braille almost from the word go. hth, Arthur. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Chris Norman ` Daniel Dalton 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Chris Norman @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 20:34 +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: > Hi Doug: > Thanks for your help. > I haven't got a response and I don't think the add has got that long to > go. So does anyone know where I could find a cheap machine that could > run the command line version of linux? And that will work with speakup > and has a supported sound card? Anywhere from the bin upwards! :-D Linux, with a command line interface takes up very few resources, however, there might be a 128mb limit on the installation program (I know there is / was on fedora). > > Also do I need a hardware synth for linux? Not necisarily... You can install Ubuntu with software speech, and you can install fedora with telnet (from another machine), the latter means that if you have an old windows box, you could boot fedora from within VMWare, and then telnet into it with windows, using the same box, or you can use a braille display (the braille note will do). > And does anyone know if I can use the braille note from humanware as a > braille display? Yep... You go into braille terminal on the braillenote, you have to use the braillenote (bn) driver with brltty. > Thanks, > -- > Daniel Dalton > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Chris Norman. <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Chris Norman @ ` Daniel Dalton ` Doug Sutherland ` John Heim 0 siblings, 2 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling that pc I was looking at. He said the following: "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at google search " dell support" xp has drivers" So is this going to work with linux and speakup? I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it on the site with the supported cards. Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, -- Daniel Dalton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Doug Sutherland ` John Heim 1 sibling, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Daniel, Here is the 815 chipset http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/815/ This is an AC97 audio chip and does appear to be supported by linux ALSA sound drivers, it can use the generic AC97 sound driver Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller I see no reason why this should not work with speakup. -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton ` Doug Sutherland @ ` John Heim ` Daniel Dalton 1 sibling, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: John Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. Any PC that is a year old or older is probably going to work. It's mostly very new hardware that isn't supported -- yet. I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out to be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that has an unsupported sound card. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: Re: getting started with linux > Hi, > > Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling > that pc I was looking at. He said the following: > "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at > google search " dell support" xp has drivers" > > So is this going to work with linux and speakup? > I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it > on the site with the supported cards. > > Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > -- > Daniel Dalton > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` John Heim @ ` Daniel Dalton ` John Heim 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Just a couple more questions: How do I setup the soundcard so I here sound through it once I have installed linux? Also will I have to download a linux distribution and install that. Then install speakup? When speakup is working can I get it to talk through my speakers? If so what synth would it use. Like jaws can talk through my speakers can speakup do this or do I need a hardware synth? Thanks. -- Daniel Dalton John Heim wrote: > If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I were > you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. Any > PC that is a year old or older is probably going to work. It's mostly very > new hardware that isn't supported -- yet. > > I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out to > be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more > likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that has > an unsupported sound card. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM > Subject: Re: getting started with linux > > > >> Hi, >> >> Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling >> that pc I was looking at. He said the following: >> "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at >> google search " dell support" xp has drivers" >> >> So is this going to work with linux and speakup? >> I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it >> on the site with the supported cards. >> >> Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Daniel Dalton >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton @ ` John Heim ` Daniel Dalton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: John Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Most distros (fedora, debian, etc) will configure your sound card when you install linux. In fact, if you swap out the sound card, sound should be automatically be reconfigured. If it doesn't work, get back to us and we'll help you. The answer to your second question depends on which distro you are using. If you are using debian or grml, you can use the simple instructions on my web site for setting up software speech. See: http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/debian/#sftsynth There are more complete instructions here: http://www.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd-up/speechd-up_1.html The second page explains how to download and compile speechd-up. But I have created a debian deb file that you can use if you have installed debian. That makes it a lot easier to get software speech working. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:51 AM Subject: Re: getting started with linux > Hi, > Just a couple more questions: > How do I setup the soundcard so I here sound through it once I have > installed linux? > Also will I have to download a linux distribution and install that. Then > install speakup? When speakup is working can I get it to talk through my > speakers? If so what synth would it use. Like jaws can talk through my > speakers can speakup do this or do I need a hardware synth? > > Thanks. > > -- > Daniel Dalton > > > John Heim wrote: >> If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I >> were >> you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. >> Any >> PC that is a year old or older is probably going to work. It's mostly >> very >> new hardware that isn't supported -- yet. >> >> I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out >> to >> be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more >> likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that >> has >> an unsupported sound card. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM >> Subject: Re: getting started with linux >> >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling >>> that pc I was looking at. He said the following: >>> "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at >>> google search " dell support" xp has drivers" >>> >>> So is this going to work with linux and speakup? >>> I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it >>> on the site with the supported cards. >>> >>> Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel Dalton >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` John Heim @ ` Daniel Dalton ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 1 reply; 23+ messages in thread From: Daniel Dalton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Thanks for all the help. Can someone tell me if this will work: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/IBM-INTEL-2-0G-256MB-13GB-CDROM-17inCRT-KB-MOUSE_W0QQitemZ190146837530QQihZ009QQcategoryZ111448QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Also the guy said the following about the soundcard. "Its a sound MAX ADI sound card, go to the ibm website and enter 6790-2GA in the search field. YOu will find all the info on the system. I had a quick look but couldn't find any ref to linux drivers. " I looked at the website Doug said but I couldn't find it. Could someone please have another look for me because I am sure I have missed something. Thanks, -- Daniel Dalton John Heim wrote: > Most distros (fedora, debian, etc) will configure your sound card when you > install linux. In fact, if you swap out the sound card, sound should be > automatically be reconfigured. If it doesn't work, get back to us and we'll > help you. > > The answer to your second question depends on which distro you are using. If > you are using debian or grml, you can use the simple instructions on my web > site for setting up software speech. See: > http://www.math.wisc.edu/~jheim/debian/#sftsynth > > There are more complete instructions here: > http://www.freebsoft.org/doc/speechd-up/speechd-up_1.html > > The second page explains how to download and compile speechd-up. But I have > created a debian deb file that you can use if you have installed debian. > That makes it a lot easier to get software speech working. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:51 AM > Subject: Re: getting started with linux > > > >> Hi, >> Just a couple more questions: >> How do I setup the soundcard so I here sound through it once I have >> installed linux? >> Also will I have to download a linux distribution and install that. Then >> install speakup? When speakup is working can I get it to talk through my >> speakers? If so what synth would it use. Like jaws can talk through my >> speakers can speakup do this or do I need a hardware synth? >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Daniel Dalton >> >> >> John Heim wrote: >> >>> If you miss out on that machine, and need to bid on another one, if I >>> were >>> you, I wouldn't worry too much about it not being compatible with linux. >>> Any >>> PC that is a year old or older is probably going to work. It's mostly >>> very >>> new hardware that isn't supported -- yet. >>> >>> I guess it would be a huge bummer to get a machine and have it turn out >>> to >>> be one of the very few that is not supported. But you're probably more >>> likely to get a defective machine off ebay than you are to get one that >>> has >>> an unsupported sound card. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Daniel Dalton" <daniel.dalton47@gmail.com> >>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: getting started with linux >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Thanks for all the help. I got a reply from the guy that was selling >>>> that pc I was looking at. He said the following: >>>> "it is intel 815 chipset has agp slot and intel onboard sound drives at >>>> google search " dell support" xp has drivers" >>>> >>>> So is this going to work with linux and speakup? >>>> I don't know much about this so I don't think I will be able to find it >>>> on the site with the supported cards. >>>> >>>> Anyway if anyone can get back to me I would greatly appreciate it. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Daniel Dalton >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
* Re: getting started with linux ` Daniel Dalton @ ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 0 replies; 23+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Daniel, ADI is Analog Devices and Soundmax is an ADI audio codec that is made for AC97. Just as with the other PC you mentioned this one supports AC97 and there is a generic AC97 driver that works on linux. AC97 is an audio standard where the controller of the audio device is on the host and the audio codecs follow specs such that they are interchangeable. That basically means it doesn't matter if it's an ADI, Cirrus Logic, or Texas Instruments AC97 audio device, they will all behave the same way following the AC97 specifications. Here's an ADI FAQ on SoundMax: http://www.analog.com/Analog_Root/static/technology/audioVideo/soundMaxFaqsGeneral.html The FAQ states 6 Where can I find Linux drivers? We don't provide Linux drivers directly. We go through the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Group. You'll need to go there for Linux drivers. Although it's not clear from the info you have exactly which audio chip is in that machine, the Analog Devices support for ALSA is listed here http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Analog_Devices The audio chip is most likely one of the chips listed in the section labeled as AC97. And even if it's not in the list, as mentioned earlier, AC97 is an industry standard, and the device will work with generic AC97 drivers anyways. Should be no problem with an IBM/Intel machine. G'Day mate :) -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 23+ messages in thread
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