Conflict with Emacspeak?

Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Léonie Watson]

All,

    I'm still suffering the conflict between Speakup and Emacspeak on my
Debian (testing) distro.

    I've tried using the printscr key to unload Speakup before entering
Emacspeak, but Speakup doesn't unload.

    I'm using a Dectalk Express, should this make any difference and at this
time, really don't know enough to figure out much for myself.

    Apologies to those on the Emacspeak list, where I am also pursuing this
enquiry, for the dual post.

Thanks,
Tink
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Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  If you're trying to get emacspeak to use the same synth as speakup,
you will need to boot using a kernel without speakup for emacspeak to use it.
The print screen key doesn't unload speakup, it just stops it from doing
anything on the current console.  Since speakup got the synth when the
system booted, no other screen reader can use it.  Speakup does have a
way to let other programs talk to the synth, but the other programs will
have to be written to use it.

          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:05:18PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
> All,
> 
>     I'm still suffering the conflict between Speakup and Emacspeak on my
> Debian (testing) distro.
> 
>     I've tried using the printscr key to unload Speakup before entering
> Emacspeak, but Speakup doesn't unload.
> 
>     I'm using a Dectalk Express, should this make any difference and at this
> time, really don't know enough to figure out much for myself.
> 
>     Apologies to those on the Emacspeak list, where I am also pursuing this
> enquiry, for the dual post.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tink
> --
> Léonie Watson  |  t. +44 (0) 117 344 5012
> 
> Visit our web site today:
> http://www.nomensa.com/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[jack mendez]

one way to do this would be to install one of the standard kernel-images
available with apt, and then configure lilo to boot with it using an alias.
At 10:58 AM 9/15/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi.  If you're trying to get emacspeak to use the same synth as speakup,
>you will need to boot using a kernel without speakup for emacspeak to use it.
>The print screen key doesn't unload speakup, it just stops it from doing
>anything on the current console.  Since speakup got the synth when the
>system booted, no other screen reader can use it.  Speakup does have a
>way to let other programs talk to the synth, but the other programs will
>have to be written to use it.
>
>          Kenny
>	  
>On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:05:18PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>>     I'm still suffering the conflict between Speakup and Emacspeak on my
>> Debian (testing) distro.
>> 
>>     I've tried using the printscr key to unload Speakup before entering
>> Emacspeak, but Speakup doesn't unload.
>> 
>>     I'm using a Dectalk Express, should this make any difference and at
this
>> time, really don't know enough to figure out much for myself.
>> 
>>     Apologies to those on the Emacspeak list, where I am also pursuing this
>> enquiry, for the dual post.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Tink
>> --
>> Léonie Watson  |  t. +44 (0) 117 344 5012
>> 
>> Visit our web site today:
>> http://www.nomensa.com/
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Cheryl Homiak]

I think there actually was/is a way to allow emacspeak to have one console
and speakup the rest with doubletalk (not the synth under discussion here)
and I think the way of doing this was actually posted a long time ago. but
I don't think this was possible with most synths.



-- 
Cheryl

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Danny Crone]

If Emacs can be used with speakup, what would be the advantage of using 
Emaccspeak?

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi.  If you're trying to get emacspeak to use the same synth as speakup,
> you will need to boot using a kernel without speakup for emacspeak to use it.
> The print screen key doesn't unload speakup, it just stops it from doing
> anything on the current console.  Since speakup got the synth when the
> system booted, no other screen reader can use it.  Speakup does have a
> way to let other programs talk to the synth, but the other programs will
> have to be written to use it.
> 
>           Kenny
> 	  
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:05:18PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
> > All,
> > 
> >     I'm still suffering the conflict between Speakup and Emacspeak on my
> > Debian (testing) distro.
> > 
> >     I've tried using the printscr key to unload Speakup before entering
> > Emacspeak, but Speakup doesn't unload.
> > 
> >     I'm using a Dectalk Express, should this make any difference and at this
> > time, really don't know enough to figure out much for myself.
> > 
> >     Apologies to those on the Emacspeak list, where I am also pursuing this
> > enquiry, for the dual post.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Tink
> > --
> > Léonie Watson  |  t. +44 (0) 117 344 5012
> > 
> > Visit our web site today:
> > http://www.nomensa.com/
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  I remember it too.  I thought it was done with an emacspeak server
patched to talk through speakup instead of the Kernel Double talk
driver.

          Kenny

On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:15:56AM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I think there actually was/is a way to allow emacspeak to have one console
> and speakup the rest with doubletalk (not the synth under discussion here)
> and I think the way of doing this was actually posted a long time ago. but
> I don't think this was possible with most synths.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  I'm not much of an emacs user, but emacspeak will give you a better
presentation of some documents than speakup and emacs will.  For
example, emacspeak with the DECtalk software uses different voice for
different print type while reading some documents.  Reading the fame
file with just emacs and speakup won't.

          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 12:34:49PM -0400, Danny Crone wrote:
> If Emacs can be used with speakup, what would be the advantage of using 
> Emaccspeak?
> 
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> 
> > Hi.  If you're trying to get emacspeak to use the same synth as speakup,
> > you will need to boot using a kernel without speakup for emacspeak to use it.
> > The print screen key doesn't unload speakup, it just stops it from doing
> > anything on the current console.  Since speakup got the synth when the
> > system booted, no other screen reader can use it.  Speakup does have a
> > way to let other programs talk to the synth, but the other programs will
> > have to be written to use it.
> > 
> >           Kenny
> > 	  
> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:05:18PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
> > > All,
> > > 
> > >     I'm still suffering the conflict between Speakup and Emacspeak on my
> > > Debian (testing) distro.
> > > 
> > >     I've tried using the printscr key to unload Speakup before entering
> > > Emacspeak, but Speakup doesn't unload.
> > > 
> > >     I'm using a Dectalk Express, should this make any difference and at this
> > > time, really don't know enough to figure out much for myself.
> > > 
> > >     Apologies to those on the Emacspeak list, where I am also pursuing this
> > > enquiry, for the dual post.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tink
> > > --
> > > Léonie Watson  |  t. +44 (0) 117 344 5012
> > > 
> > > Visit our web site today:
> > > http://www.nomensa.com/
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Léonie Watson]

Kenny,

    Gottit! Thanks, just what I needed to know.

Cheers,
Tink
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kennyhitt@knology.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?


> Hi.  If you're trying to get emacspeak to use the same synth as speakup,
> you will need to boot using a kernel without speakup for emacspeak to use
it.
> The print screen key doesn't unload speakup, it just stops it from doing
> anything on the current console.  Since speakup got the synth when the
> system booted, no other screen reader can use it.  Speakup does have a
> way to let other programs talk to the synth, but the other programs will
> have to be written to use it.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:05:18PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
> > All,
> >
> >     I'm still suffering the conflict between Speakup and Emacspeak on my
> > Debian (testing) distro.
> >
> >     I've tried using the printscr key to unload Speakup before entering
> > Emacspeak, but Speakup doesn't unload.
> >
> >     I'm using a Dectalk Express, should this make any difference and at
this
> > time, really don't know enough to figure out much for myself.
> >
> >     Apologies to those on the Emacspeak list, where I am also pursuing
this
> > enquiry, for the dual post.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tink
> > --
> > Léonie Watson  |  t. +44 (0) 117 344 5012
> >
> > Visit our web site today:
> > http://www.nomensa.com/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Léonie Watson]

For my part, exploring the possibilities with a view to writing a paper on
the accessibility of linux to a newbie.

Other than that, I can quite see that either one or the other would be
prefferable.

Cheers,
Tink
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danny Crone" <dannyboy@pobox.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?


> If Emacs can be used with speakup, what would be the advantage of using
> Emaccspeak?
>
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Kenny Hitt wrote:
>
> > Hi.  If you're trying to get emacspeak to use the same synth as speakup,
> > you will need to boot using a kernel without speakup for emacspeak to
use it.
> > The print screen key doesn't unload speakup, it just stops it from doing
> > anything on the current console.  Since speakup got the synth when the
> > system booted, no other screen reader can use it.  Speakup does have a
> > way to let other programs talk to the synth, but the other programs will
> > have to be written to use it.
> >
> >           Kenny
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 03:05:18PM +0100, Léonie Watson wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > >     I'm still suffering the conflict between Speakup and Emacspeak on
my
> > > Debian (testing) distro.
> > >
> > >     I've tried using the printscr key to unload Speakup before
entering
> > > Emacspeak, but Speakup doesn't unload.
> > >
> > >     I'm using a Dectalk Express, should this make any difference and
at this
> > > time, really don't know enough to figure out much for myself.
> > >
> > >     Apologies to those on the Emacspeak list, where I am also pursuing
this
> > > enquiry, for the dual post.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tink
> > > --
> > > Léonie Watson  |  t. +44 (0) 117 344 5012
> > >
> > > Visit our web site today:
> > > http://www.nomensa.com/
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Shaun Oliver]

*SNIP*
Speakup does have a
way to let other programs talk to the synth, but the other programs will
have to be written to use it.
*SNIP*
what you need to do is 2 things.
1.
make the device /dev/synth with mknod /dev/synth -c 10 25
then rewrite the speech servers which are tcl scripts to make use of
/dev/synth.
that's all ther is to it.
hth

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Re: Conflict with Emacspeak?

[Shaun Oliver]

Thus spake Kenny Hitt,
> Hi.  I remember it too.  I thought it was done with an emacspeak server
> patched to talk through speakup instead of the Kernel Double talk
> driver.
> 

in a previous post, I've explained how this can be achieved.
the thing is I think from memory, speakup grabs the serial port and even
when you kill speakup on a particular console, it don't release it.
if I'm wrong, then I wasn't helpfull.

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