couple linux(deb) questions

couple linux(deb) questions

[Littlefield, Tyler]

Hello list,
I've got a couple questions.
First, is there a way to find out what libs are installed, but aren't being depended on? I know I have extra packages, and don't want to keep them if I don't meed them, e.g libraries mainly.
Second, is there a way to get all my manpages installed? I used to be able to do man cfunction, and I could see something, now I don't get anything. I believe I'm missing a package, just not sure which.
Thanks,

Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Littlefield, Tyler]

will do, and I'm using ssh, so can't use aptitude

THX,
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Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions


> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 10:28:54AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > First, is there a way to find out what libs are installed, but aren't
being depended on? I know I have extra packages, and don't want to keep them
if I don't meed them, e.g libraries mainly.
>
> Have a look at the deborphan package.  Also, if you use
> aptitude to install packages and it pulls in libs, aptitude
> tracks that and removes the libs when they are no longer
> needed unlike apt-get.
>
> > Second, is there a way to get all my manpages installed? I used to be
able to do man cfunction, and I could see something, now I don't get
anything. I believe I'm missing a package, just not sure which.
>
> The libc and syscall functions are in manpages-dev package,
> lots of other stuff in manpages.
>
> Hth,
> Shane
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Erik Heil]

Hi. If you want the manpages for functions, their are a lot of sources to
get them.  Someof them are free, the others ship as part of a Linux
system.  For Posix-based manpages, their is actually a Debian package that
contains them.  Note though that is in the nonfree section of the
distrobution. Af far as documentation for libraries, usually their is a
doc package associated with it.  This will include the libary
documentation you seek.

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:

> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:28:54 -0700
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Subject: couple linux(deb) questions
>
> Hello list,
> I've got a couple questions.
> First, is there a way to find out what libs are installed, but aren't being depended on? I know I have extra packages, and don't want to keep them if I don't meed them, e.g libraries mainly.
> Second, is there a way to get all my manpages installed? I used to be able to do man cfunction, and I could see something, now I don't get anything. I believe I'm missing a package, just not sure which.
> Thanks,
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 11:36:31AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> will do, and I'm using ssh, so can't use aptitude
> 

Why not? Aptitude works just fine over ssh. The only time I could see
aptitude not working fine over ssh is if you're using a windows
client. I haven't tried that though, so this is just a guess, which
may be totally incorrect.

Greg



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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Littlefield, Tyler]

I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
BTW, I've got one final quetsion.
I was playing with uptime, and wanted to see if I could change it. I found
where you write uptime to, /proc/uptime, but I can't change it, any ideas?
THX,
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> > will do, and I'm using ssh, so can't use aptitude
> >
>
> Why not? Aptitude works just fine over ssh. The only time I could see
> aptitude not working fine over ssh is if you're using a windows
> client. I haven't tried that though, so this is just a guess, which
> may be totally incorrect.
>
> Greg
>
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Gregory Nowak]

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/proc/uptime isn't writeable, for good and obvious reasons is my
opinion.

Greg



On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 12:10:05PM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
> BTW, I've got one final quetsion.
> I was playing with uptime, and wanted to see if I could change it. I found
> where you write uptime to, /proc/uptime, but I can't change it, any ideas?
> THX,

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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Littlefield, Tyler]

maybe obvious, but I heard it was possible to change, it'd be cool to have
an uptime of like 400000 days or something. :)
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> /proc/uptime isn't writeable, for good and obvious reasons is my
> opinion.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 12:10:05PM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
> > BTW, I've got one final quetsion.
> > I was playing with uptime, and wanted to see if I could change it. I
found
> > where you write uptime to, /proc/uptime, but I can't change it, any
ideas?
> > THX,
>
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Adam Myrow]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:

> I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.

How?  Any error messages?  What terminal type do you have set?  Are you 
sure you have the Ncurses libraries/headers installed?  You should be able 
to use almost any Ncurses-based program over an SSH link.  That's the 
whole point of the library, to provide an interface that works on many 
different types of terminals.

Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Littlefield, Tyler]

It just doesn't read. I've tried vt100, and linux, to no avale.
I've got libs installed, the progs work fine.
Thanks,
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Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions


> On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>
> > I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
>
> How?  Any error messages?  What terminal type do you have set?  Are you
> sure you have the Ncurses libraries/headers installed?  You should be able
> to use almost any Ncurses-based program over an SSH link.  That's the
> whole point of the library, to provide an interface that works on many
> different types of terminals.
>
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Erik Heil]

Hi.
Why would you want to change it?  Anyways, you can't change it, because
that is mounted RO in the proc filesystem.

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:

> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:10:05 -0700
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
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> Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions
>
> I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
> BTW, I've got one final quetsion.
> I was playing with uptime, and wanted to see if I could change it. I found
> where you write uptime to, /proc/uptime, but I can't change it, any ideas?
> THX,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions
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> > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 11:36:31AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > > will do, and I'm using ssh, so can't use aptitude
> > >
> >
> > Why not? Aptitude works just fine over ssh. The only time I could see
> > aptitude not working fine over ssh is if you're using a windows
> > client. I haven't tried that though, so this is just a guess, which
> > may be totally incorrect.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Littlefield, Tyler]

Thanks, I'll change fstab, or remount it.
Just for fun,

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Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions


> Hi.
> Why would you want to change it?  Anyways, you can't change it, because
> that is mounted RO in the proc filesystem.
>
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:10:05 -0700
> > From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> >     <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions
> >
> > I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
> > BTW, I've got one final quetsion.
> > I was playing with uptime, and wanted to see if I could change it. I
found
> > where you write uptime to, /proc/uptime, but I can't change it, any
ideas?
> > THX,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
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> > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 11:36:31AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > > > will do, and I'm using ssh, so can't use aptitude
> > > >
> > >
> > > Why not? Aptitude works just fine over ssh. The only time I could see
> > > aptitude not working fine over ssh is if you're using a windows
> > > client. I haven't tried that though, so this is just a guess, which
> > > may be totally incorrect.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Alex Snow]

You can't change your uptime...that would be cheating if you could.
On 
Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 12:10:05PM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
> BTW, I've got one final quetsion.
> I was playing with uptime, and wanted to see if I could change it. I found
> where you write uptime to, /proc/uptime, but I can't change it, any ideas?
> THX,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions
> 
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> > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 11:36:31AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > > will do, and I'm using ssh, so can't use aptitude
> > >
> >
> > Why not? Aptitude works just fine over ssh. The only time I could see
> > aptitude not working fine over ssh is if you're using a windows
> > client. I haven't tried that though, so this is just a guess, which
> > may be totally incorrect.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, Changing your uptime is like changing the miles on your car and then
selling it saying the car had only 1000 miles when it really has 2000
miles on itOn Sun, 1 Apr 2007, Alex Snow wrote:

> You can't change your uptime...that would be cheating if you could.
> On
> Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 12:10:05PM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > I'm using SecureCRT, and all ncurses-based progs die.
> > BTW, I've got one final quetsion.
> > I was playing with uptime, and wanted to see if I could change it. I found
> > where you write uptime to, /proc/uptime, but I can't change it, any ideas?
> > THX,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions
> >
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> > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 11:36:31AM -0700, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> > > > will do, and I'm using ssh, so can't use aptitude
> > > >
> > >
> > > Why not? Aptitude works just fine over ssh. The only time I could see
> > > aptitude not working fine over ssh is if you're using a windows
> > > client. I haven't tried that though, so this is just a guess, which
> > > may be totally incorrect.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[John Heim]

I hate it when people don't answer the question actually asked but based on 
this question and the one you asked about finding duplicate files, I'm going 
to guess you're trying to free up some disk space. Well, looking for 
orphaned libs is probably a waste of time. You'll never free up much space 
that way.

You might be able to do something with the tools for finding orphaned 
packages. That would allow you to remove whole apps rather than just the 
libs they may use. But even that probably won't get you much.

If you're running out of space, you should look in your home directories. 
Use the du command to see where most of it is going. ie:

$ du -sh *

I have a laptop with a 6 Gb drive and it is only 30% full. And I have 
apache, mysql, gcc, perl, and a bunch of other tools installed. I've always 
just installed anything I wanted. Never had any problems with disk space. 
The only thing is I don't have X installed. But even so, your os just 
doesn't take up that much space. And the libs are only a small part of the 
os. I would forget about looking to free up space by removing libs. You're 
more likely to trash  something important than you are to free up 
significant space.



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Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:28 PM
Subject: couple linux(deb) questions


> Hello list,
> I've got a couple questions.
> First, is there a way to find out what libs are installed, but aren't 
> being depended on? I know I have extra packages, and don't want to keep 
> them if I don't meed them, e.g libraries mainly.
> Second, is there a way to get all my manpages installed? I used to be able 
> to do man cfunction, and I could see something, now I don't get anything. 
> I believe I'm missing a package, just not sure which.
> Thanks,
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 03:20:08PM -0500, John Heim wrote:
> I have a laptop with a 6 Gb drive and it is only 30% full. And I have 
> apache, mysql, gcc, perl, and a bunch of other tools installed.

Hmm, just wondering, why install apache on a laptop? Are you using it
as a server? That seems like a limit on a laptop's potential to me,
even if it's an old laptop, which it seems to be given the hd
space. The older machines are still useful as portables when running
gnu/linux. I say that from experience, I've got a laptop here that's
only got a 4gb hd.

Greg



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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Littlefield, Tyler]

Will do, thanks
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: couple linux(deb) questions


> I hate it when people don't answer the question actually asked but based
on
> this question and the one you asked about finding duplicate files, I'm
going
> to guess you're trying to free up some disk space. Well, looking for
> orphaned libs is probably a waste of time. You'll never free up much space
> that way.
>
> You might be able to do something with the tools for finding orphaned
> packages. That would allow you to remove whole apps rather than just the
> libs they may use. But even that probably won't get you much.
>
> If you're running out of space, you should look in your home directories.
> Use the du command to see where most of it is going. ie:
>
> $ du -sh *
>
> I have a laptop with a 6 Gb drive and it is only 30% full. And I have
> apache, mysql, gcc, perl, and a bunch of other tools installed. I've
always
> just installed anything I wanted. Never had any problems with disk space.
> The only thing is I don't have X installed. But even so, your os just
> doesn't take up that much space. And the libs are only a small part of the
> os. I would forget about looking to free up space by removing libs. You're
> more likely to trash  something important than you are to free up
> significant space.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:28 PM
> Subject: couple linux(deb) questions
>
>
> > Hello list,
> > I've got a couple questions.
> > First, is there a way to find out what libs are installed, but aren't
> > being depended on? I know I have extra packages, and don't want to keep
> > them if I don't meed them, e.g libraries mainly.
> > Second, is there a way to get all my manpages installed? I used to be
able
> > to do man cfunction, and I could see something, now I don't get
anything.
> > I believe I'm missing a package, just not sure which.
> > Thanks,
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Re: couple linux(deb) questions

[Doug Smith]

Ok, time to sound off on this freeing up of disk space issue.  Here's
a true story.  When I first got this machine, it only had a 1.28 gig
drive on it.  I had it most of the way full of these exotic programs I
liked, but I had plenty of space to continue installing almost
anything I wanted.  Granted, now, this was with RH 6.2, and it would
have never worked on that drive with what I'm using now, but I learned
about those libraries the hard way.  

One day, I found a bunch of x-windows stuff and gnome stuff on there.
Well, nuke, I thought, just let's dump all this graphical crap and
free up a bunch more space.  Well, I freed it up, then I turned this
thing off.  I think there was a storm coming, or, just because I turn
my equipment off when I am not using it. What do you think happened
when I turned it back on?

Nuke was the word.  I had totally busted my system.  It would not
boot, and I had no hardware speech, no speakup, no nothing to get me
back up.  I couldn't use the computer again for several days until a
sighted friend could come out here and totally re-install the os.  

Now, go ahead and remove all those libraries, just don't say I didn't
warn you, and that the other person didn't warn you.  When you  have
to have a sighted friend come out there and re-install, or if you have
to wait for several days to get or borrow a hardware synthesizer, see
if it was worth it to find a few meg somewhere.  



Hope this helps.  




-- 
Doug Smith: C.S.F.C.
Computer Scientist For CHRIST

OT: a speakup success story (Re: couple linux(deb) questions)

[John Heim]

~----- Original Message ----- >
> Hmm, just wondering, why install apache on a laptop? Are you using it
> as a server? That seems like a limit on a laptop's potential to me,

I took it to job interviews and used it to show off my web apps. I didn't 
need a network connection because apache was running on the laptop. So 
during the interview, I'd boot my laptop and show both my web app and how 
I'd work with the screen reader.

I started doing that after some people seemed kind of shocked to see a blind 
guy show up for a job interview.  Hard to believe but some people aren't 
aware that blind people can use computers. I thought that showing them that 
I was actually quite functional, maybe even fluent, on a computer would give 
me a better chance.

I even brought a cross-over cable and had dhcp running so they could connect 
their PC to my laptop, get an IP, and run the web apps on their PC. All this 
on a 150 Mhz laptop with 56 Mb of ram and a 6 Gb hard drive. And it wasn't 
bad in terms of speed. The web pages took a little while to load, 2 or 3 
seconds,  but that was easily explained.

I thought it was a very impressive show but even so, I was  looking for  a 
job for about a year. I was already working at the University of Wisconsin 
at the time but I was warned I might be a layoff victim. So I had time to 
look for another job. I think though, that the laptop was a big part of why 
I ended up here at the University of Wisconsin, Math Department.  They 
seemed very interested in what I had done with it.

I guess I can remove all that stuff now. I've been here for 2 years as of 
yesterday.

Re: OT: a speakup success story (Re: couple linux(deb) questions)

[Gregory Nowak]

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Oh, ok, an interesting concept. Haven't thought of a possibility like
that.

Greg



On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 10:03:57AM -0500, John Heim wrote:
> I took it to job interviews and used it to show off my web apps. I didn't 
> need a network connection because apache was running on the laptop. So 
> during the interview, I'd boot my laptop and show both my web app and how 
> I'd work with the screen reader.
> 
> I started doing that after some people seemed kind of shocked to see a blind 
> guy show up for a job interview.  Hard to believe but some people aren't 
> aware that blind people can use computers. I thought that showing them that 
> I was actually quite functional, maybe even fluent, on a computer would give 
> me a better chance.
> 
> I even brought a cross-over cable and had dhcp running so they could connect 
> their PC to my laptop, get an IP, and run the web apps on their PC. All this 
> on a 150 Mhz laptop with 56 Mb of ram and a 6 Gb hard drive. And it wasn't 
> bad in terms of speed. The web pages took a little while to load, 2 or 3 
> seconds,  but that was easily explained.
> 
> I thought it was a very impressive show but even so, I was  looking for  a 
> job for about a year. I was already working at the University of Wisconsin 
> at the time but I was warned I might be a layoff victim. So I had time to 
> look for another job. I think though, that the laptop was a big part of why 
> I ended up here at the University of Wisconsin, Math Department.  They 
> seemed very interested in what I had done with it.
> 
> I guess I can remove all that stuff now. I've been here for 2 years as of 
> yesterday.
> 
> 
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Re: OT: a speakup success story (Re: couple linux(deb) questions)

[John Heim]

One note... I said I had dhcp running -- that is not correct. I started it 
manually if necessary. It would be a bad thing to go to a job interview and 
plug a laptop running dhcp into the network. That would not get you the job. 
It might get you escorted off the premises though.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: OT: a speakup success story (Re: couple linux(deb) questions)


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> Oh, ok, an interesting concept. Haven't thought of a possibility like
> that.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 10:03:57AM -0500, John Heim wrote:
>> I took it to job interviews and used it to show off my web apps. I didn't
>> need a network connection because apache was running on the laptop. So
>> during the interview, I'd boot my laptop and show both my web app and how
>> I'd work with the screen reader.
>>
>> I started doing that after some people seemed kind of shocked to see a 
>> blind
>> guy show up for a job interview.  Hard to believe but some people aren't
>> aware that blind people can use computers. I thought that showing them 
>> that
>> I was actually quite functional, maybe even fluent, on a computer would 
>> give
>> me a better chance.
>>
>> I even brought a cross-over cable and had dhcp running so they could 
>> connect
>> their PC to my laptop, get an IP, and run the web apps on their PC. All 
>> this
>> on a 150 Mhz laptop with 56 Mb of ram and a 6 Gb hard drive. And it 
>> wasn't
>> bad in terms of speed. The web pages took a little while to load, 2 or 3
>> seconds,  but that was easily explained.
>>
>> I thought it was a very impressive show but even so, I was  looking for 
>> a
>> job for about a year. I was already working at the University of 
>> Wisconsin
>> at the time but I was warned I might be a layoff victim. So I had time to
>> look for another job. I think though, that the laptop was a big part of 
>> why
>> I ended up here at the University of Wisconsin, Math Department.  They
>> seemed very interested in what I had done with it.
>>
>> I guess I can remove all that stuff now. I've been here for 2 years as of
>> yesterday.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: OT: a speakup success story (Re: couple linux(deb) questions)

[C.M. Brannon]

"John Heim" <jheim@math.wisc.edu> writes:

>> Hmm, just wondering, why install apache on a laptop? Are you using it
>> as a server? That seems like a limit on a laptop's potential to me,
>
> I took it to job interviews and used it to show off my web apps.
I do this sort of thing all the time, in a classroom setting.
Our database design course has a strong focus on database-driven web
programming in JSP & Java.
The class uses Oracle for the database system.
So I run Apache Tomcat and Oracle's sqlplus client on my laptop.  My prof
can see that my web programs are doing what they're supposed to do.
My sighted peers are using JDeveloper, which isn't a very practical development
environment for a blind person.
-- Chris