missing Grub entry

missing Grub entry

[Glenn at home]

I just installed Debian kernel 2.6.8 something.
The other option was 2.4.27-speakup.
I was not given the option to edit the grub loader after installing, so I 
have booted up with Knoppix, and I am trying to figure out where to find the 
grub file to add something like:
text speakup_synth=txprt
Or should I add:
speakup speakup_synth=txprt
I might have to re-partition and install again if I cannot figure this out.
I am also having some difficulty accessing the various partitions with 
Knoppix.
I did su, but I often get the "permission denied" response.
Thanks in advance for any help here.
Glenn

Re: missing Grub entry

[Kenny Hitt]

I've looked on my system and I don't see any kernel 2.6.8 something.
Did you build this yourself?
You don't edit the boot loader manually during the installer.
Didn't you read the installation manual?

Now, I'm confused.  Did you call the 2.6.8 kernel you built "something".
"speakup" or "text"?

Why would you possibly think su would help you with a Knoppix CD?
Maybe you should go read before just doing.  Your message shows you
haven't bothered.  All of this message is answered in the Debian
installation manual, the speakup specific readme for Debian on the
speakup site and the Knoppix documentation.

          Kenny
	  
On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 02:08:12PM -0500, Glenn at home wrote:
> I just installed Debian kernel 2.6.8 something.
> The other option was 2.4.27-speakup.
> I was not given the option to edit the grub loader after installing, so I 
> have booted up with Knoppix, and I am trying to figure out where to find the 
> grub file to add something like:
> text speakup_synth=txprt
> Or should I add:
> speakup speakup_synth=txprt
> I might have to re-partition and install again if I cannot figure this out.
> I am also having some difficulty accessing the various partitions with 
> Knoppix.
> I did su, but I often get the "permission denied" response.
> Thanks in advance for any help here.
> Glenn
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: missing Grub entry

[Glenn at home]

I did not build anything.
I did read the Debian install, but that was some time back on my first 
installation.
I am wondering now if it was lilo that I needed to configure instead of grub 
for Debian to load up speakup on boot-up.
It used to be:
text speakup_synth=txprt
But I don't recall reading if that has changed for lilo, since I put the 
word speakup in place of "text", for the installation CD.
But I had 2 choices for the kernel during the installation, and one was 
2.4.27-speakup, and I did not want that, so I took the newer, which was 
2.6.? (I don't remember the last part but it did not have "-speakup" at the 
end), I really did not care, I just wanted 2.6 so I could have audio, since 
that was an issue with my last installation.
* So I guess I will just fdisk and start over, and if I go with lilo instead 
of grub, should I be given the option to add a boot line for calling up 
speakup?
Glenn


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: missing Grub entry


I've looked on my system and I don't see any kernel 2.6.8 something.
Did you build this yourself?
You don't edit the boot loader manually during the installer.
Didn't you read the installation manual?

Now, I'm confused.  Did you call the 2.6.8 kernel you built "something".
"speakup" or "text"?

Why would you possibly think su would help you with a Knoppix CD?
Maybe you should go read before just doing.  Your message shows you
haven't bothered.  All of this message is answered in the Debian
installation manual, the speakup specific readme for Debian on the
speakup site and the Knoppix documentation.

          Kenny

On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 02:08:12PM -0500, Glenn at home wrote:
> I just installed Debian kernel 2.6.8 something.
> The other option was 2.4.27-speakup.
> I was not given the option to edit the grub loader after installing, so I
> have booted up with Knoppix, and I am trying to figure out where to find 
> the
> grub file to add something like:
> text speakup_synth=txprt
> Or should I add:
> speakup speakup_synth=txprt
> I might have to re-partition and install again if I cannot figure this 
> out.
> I am also having some difficulty accessing the various partitions with
> Knoppix.
> I did su, but I often get the "permission denied" response.
> Thanks in advance for any help here.
> Glenn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: missing Grub entry

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Things change quickly in the Linux world.  Also, it looks like you read
the Fedora HOWTO and just assumed it would work anywhere.  Debian ain't
Fedora.  Go read the Debian specific docs instead of guessing.
Especially when you continue to guess wrong.

Since you won't read, ****There is not a 2.6 official Debian kernel with
speakup.***  If you want a 2.6 kernel  in Debian, you build it
yourself.
There has never been a text speakup)_synth=synthname for Debian.  You're
confusing Debian with Fedora.  The answers to your questions are spelled
out clearly in the docs for Debian.

Btw, I'm being harsh with you cause you keep not bothering to read.
Stop guessing and go read!

          Kenny
	  
On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 05:31:05PM -0500, Glenn at home wrote:
> I did not build anything.
> I did read the Debian install, but that was some time back on my first 
> installation.
> I am wondering now if it was lilo that I needed to configure instead of grub 
> for Debian to load up speakup on boot-up.
> It used to be:
> text speakup_synth=txprt
> But I don't recall reading if that has changed for lilo, since I put the 
> word speakup in place of "text", for the installation CD.
> But I had 2 choices for the kernel during the installation, and one was 
> 2.4.27-speakup, and I did not want that, so I took the newer, which was 
> 2.6.? (I don't remember the last part but it did not have "-speakup" at the 
> end), I really did not care, I just wanted 2.6 so I could have audio, since 
> that was an issue with my last installation.
> * So I guess I will just fdisk and start over, and if I go with lilo instead 
> of grub, should I be given the option to add a boot line for calling up 
> speakup?
> Glenn
> 
> 

Re: missing Grub entry

[Glenn at home]

I guess it may not be for me.
I will no longer bother this list if this is the general consensus here.
As much as I am not a fan of NT, due to screen-reader difficulties, I guess 
I may have to forget all of this Linux and go with something that I can get 
some help with.
Glenn


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: missing Grub entry


Hi.

Things change quickly in the Linux world.  Also, it looks like you read
the Fedora HOWTO and just assumed it would work anywhere.  Debian ain't
Fedora.  Go read the Debian specific docs instead of guessing.
Especially when you continue to guess wrong.

Since you won't read, ****There is not a 2.6 official Debian kernel with
speakup.***  If you want a 2.6 kernel  in Debian, you build it
yourself.
There has never been a text speakup)_synth=synthname for Debian.  You're
confusing Debian with Fedora.  The answers to your questions are spelled
out clearly in the docs for Debian.

Btw, I'm being harsh with you cause you keep not bothering to read.
Stop guessing and go read!

          Kenny

On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 05:31:05PM -0500, Glenn at home wrote:
> I did not build anything.
> I did read the Debian install, but that was some time back on my first
> installation.
> I am wondering now if it was lilo that I needed to configure instead of 
> grub
> for Debian to load up speakup on boot-up.
> It used to be:
> text speakup_synth=txprt
> But I don't recall reading if that has changed for lilo, since I put the
> word speakup in place of "text", for the installation CD.
> But I had 2 choices for the kernel during the installation, and one was
> 2.4.27-speakup, and I did not want that, so I took the newer, which was
> 2.6.? (I don't remember the last part but it did not have "-speakup" at 
> the
> end), I really did not care, I just wanted 2.6 so I could have audio, 
> since
> that was an issue with my last installation.
> * So I guess I will just fdisk and start over, and if I go with lilo 
> instead
> of grub, should I be given the option to add a boot line for calling up
> speakup?
> Glenn
>
>

Re: missing Grub entry

[Sergei V. Fleytin]

Hello, Glen,

After adding a new kernel just execute 'update-grub'. Beware, that
your new kernel will be loaded by default, so if you want to change it
have a look at the appropriate entry in your grub.lst.

Hope this helps.
-- 
With best regards, Sergei.

Re: missing Grub entry

[Sean McMahon]

When you install a new kernel, you should now have another kernel in your
/boot/grub/menu.lst file.  The lines you edit start with kernel and at the end
of them should contain speakup_synth=<synth_name> where <synth_name> is your
synthesiser's name.  One amendment to what I just said, the speakup command
should be after the main kernel command  but can be before any drive
optomizations.  You might try typing speakup_synth=<synth_name> afteryour system
beeps during system startup.  Sinse you just installed a new kernel, arrow down
twice when the system beeps, type the speakup_synth=<synth_name> command then
press enter.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:08 PM
Subject: missing Grub entry


> I just installed Debian kernel 2.6.8 something.
> The other option was 2.4.27-speakup.
> I was not given the option to edit the grub loader after installing, so I
> have booted up with Knoppix, and I am trying to figure out where to find the
> grub file to add something like:
> text speakup_synth=txprt
> Or should I add:
> speakup speakup_synth=txprt
> I might have to re-partition and install again if I cannot figure this out.
> I am also having some difficulty accessing the various partitions with
> Knoppix.
> I did su, but I often get the "permission denied" response.
> Thanks in advance for any help here.
> Glenn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: missing Grub entry

[Sean McMahon]

Some reading would be a good thing for you.  What happened, is you removed
speakup by choosing the newer non-speakup kernel.  The readme on the sarge
installation iso states speakup speakup_synth=synth_name> (without the <>
symbols and where synth_name is the name of your synthesiser) is the command to
get speakup.  Debian has never used the word text as part of a kernel bootup
parameter with the exception of debian_frontend=text, something which may not
work on every debian-installer image.  If you can show me where this exists in
the linux boot howto or some other source for linux boot parameters, I'd like to
know.  grub vs. lilo is your choice, they both work.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: missing Grub entry


> I did not build anything.
> I did read the Debian install, but that was some time back on my first
> installation.
> I am wondering now if it was lilo that I needed to configure instead of grub
> for Debian to load up speakup on boot-up.
> It used to be:
> text speakup_synth=txprt
> But I don't recall reading if that has changed for lilo, since I put the
> word speakup in place of "text", for the installation CD.
> But I had 2 choices for the kernel during the installation, and one was
> 2.4.27-speakup, and I did not want that, so I took the newer, which was
> 2.6.? (I don't remember the last part but it did not have "-speakup" at the
> end), I really did not care, I just wanted 2.6 so I could have audio, since
> that was an issue with my last installation.
> * So I guess I will just fdisk and start over, and if I go with lilo instead
> of grub, should I be given the option to add a boot line for calling up
> speakup?
> Glenn
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: missing Grub entry
>
>
> I've looked on my system and I don't see any kernel 2.6.8 something.
> Did you build this yourself?
> You don't edit the boot loader manually during the installer.
> Didn't you read the installation manual?
>
> Now, I'm confused.  Did you call the 2.6.8 kernel you built "something".
> "speakup" or "text"?
>
> Why would you possibly think su would help you with a Knoppix CD?
> Maybe you should go read before just doing.  Your message shows you
> haven't bothered.  All of this message is answered in the Debian
> installation manual, the speakup specific readme for Debian on the
> speakup site and the Knoppix documentation.
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 02:08:12PM -0500, Glenn at home wrote:
> > I just installed Debian kernel 2.6.8 something.
> > The other option was 2.4.27-speakup.
> > I was not given the option to edit the grub loader after installing, so I
> > have booted up with Knoppix, and I am trying to figure out where to find
> > the
> > grub file to add something like:
> > text speakup_synth=txprt
> > Or should I add:
> > speakup speakup_synth=txprt
> > I might have to re-partition and install again if I cannot figure this
> > out.
> > I am also having some difficulty accessing the various partitions with
> > Knoppix.
> > I did su, but I often get the "permission denied" response.
> > Thanks in advance for any help here.
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: missing Grub entry

[Sean McMahon]

<flame> you can't say linux is bad because you don't do the homework.  nt's are
pre-configured to work out of the box. when you setup linux yourself, you have
to do the work.</flame>  You could just buy a pre-configured system setup for
linux and have them to make the customizations.  That may be a happy medium
between doing something you don't like and doing something else you don't like.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>;
"Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: missing Grub entry


> I guess it may not be for me.
> I will no longer bother this list if this is the general consensus here.
> As much as I am not a fan of NT, due to screen-reader difficulties, I guess
> I may have to forget all of this Linux and go with something that I can get
> some help with.
> Glenn
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: missing Grub entry
>
>
> Hi.
>
> Things change quickly in the Linux world.  Also, it looks like you read
> the Fedora HOWTO and just assumed it would work anywhere.  Debian ain't
> Fedora.  Go read the Debian specific docs instead of guessing.
> Especially when you continue to guess wrong.
>
> Since you won't read, ****There is not a 2.6 official Debian kernel with
> speakup.***  If you want a 2.6 kernel  in Debian, you build it
> yourself.
> There has never been a text speakup)_synth=synthname for Debian.  You're
> confusing Debian with Fedora.  The answers to your questions are spelled
> out clearly in the docs for Debian.
>
> Btw, I'm being harsh with you cause you keep not bothering to read.
> Stop guessing and go read!
>
>           Kenny
>
> On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 05:31:05PM -0500, Glenn at home wrote:
> > I did not build anything.
> > I did read the Debian install, but that was some time back on my first
> > installation.
> > I am wondering now if it was lilo that I needed to configure instead of
> > grub
> > for Debian to load up speakup on boot-up.
> > It used to be:
> > text speakup_synth=txprt
> > But I don't recall reading if that has changed for lilo, since I put the
> > word speakup in place of "text", for the installation CD.
> > But I had 2 choices for the kernel during the installation, and one was
> > 2.4.27-speakup, and I did not want that, so I took the newer, which was
> > 2.6.? (I don't remember the last part but it did not have "-speakup" at
> > the
> > end), I really did not care, I just wanted 2.6 so I could have audio,
> > since
> > that was an issue with my last installation.
> > * So I guess I will just fdisk and start over, and if I go with lilo
> > instead
> > of grub, should I be given the option to add a boot line for calling up
> > speakup?
> > Glenn
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: missing Grub entry

[Sean McMahon]

update-grub can remove your specific boot parems, you'll still have to look over
the file and possible edit by hand before rebooting.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sergei V. Fleytin" <fleytin@yandex.ru>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: missing Grub entry


> Hello, Glen,
>
> After adding a new kernel just execute 'update-grub'. Beware, that
> your new kernel will be loaded by default, so if you want to change it
> have a look at the appropriate entry in your grub.lst.
>
> Hope this helps.
> -- 
> With best regards, Sergei.
>
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