Re: Computer Science

["Victor Tsaran" <tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl>]

Amanda, you are right. I met a lot of so-called "hard coders" during my
studies at the university who thought that they could do everything.I
graduated just a year ago and at my university, Temple University in Philly,
Visual C++ was only a small fraction of the program. Mostly C, Assembly and
C++, but on Unix and VMS. We were given a chance to try Visual C on Win NT
platform, but only for comparison purposes. Now I think Java is overtaking
slowly.
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Lee" <amanda@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Science


> Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore.  The college grads we get
> these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all about.
> Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform.  I believe JAVA is
> taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but usually C
> Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on for
> straight C Language.
>
> I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to at
> least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platform.  It's
> pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education has been
> degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life and think
> they can take on the World in a day!
>
> They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and the
> quality of code coming out is pretty awful.  There is even this mentality
> in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everything they
> need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why  there are so many
> problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor efficiency.
>
> Amanda Lee
>
>
>
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris,
> > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since you
were
> > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS and not
> > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer science
> > department is very nonstandard.  Though I am a meteorologist, not a
> > computer science person, I know many computer science students in the
past
> > and the present.  Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonstandard.  I
> > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach programming on
a
> > UNIX variant of some kind.  In the past thre was a fair amount of people
> > using VMS.  However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did use
> > Turbo/Borland.  WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than UNIX
> > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making it
> > through such a tough curriculum.
> >
> >      Jim Wantz
> >
> >
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