From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from goliath.sylaba.poznan.pl ([195.216.104.3] ident=root) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lbXe-0001pl-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:09:39 -0500 Received: by goliath.sylaba.poznan.pl (8.11.6/8.10.1) id g2EK9Uk01465 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca.KAV; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:09:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from cybertsar (pd137.poznan.cvx.ppp.tpnet.pl [213.76.75.137]) by goliath.sylaba.poznan.pl (8.11.6/8.10.1) with SMTP id g2EK9S301453 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:09:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005c01c1cb94$217bbbc0$0100a8c0@cybertsar> From: "Victor Tsaran" To: References: Subject: Re: Computer Science Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:01:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Amanda, you are right. I met a lot of so-called "hard coders" during my studies at the university who thought that they could do everything.I graduated just a year ago and at my university, Temple University in Philly, Visual C++ was only a small fraction of the program. Mostly C, Assembly and C++, but on Unix and VMS. We were given a chance to try Visual C on Win NT platform, but only for comparison purposes. Now I think Java is overtaking slowly. Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Lee" To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Computer Science > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore. The college grads we get > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all about. > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform. I believe JAVA is > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but usually C > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on for > straight C Language. > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to at > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platform. It's > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education has been > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life and think > they can take on the World in a day! > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and the > quality of code coming out is pretty awful. There is even this mentality > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everything they > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why there are so many > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor efficiency. > > Amanda Lee > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since you were > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS and not > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer science > > department is very nonstandard. Though I am a meteorologist, not a > > computer science person, I know many computer science students in the past > > and the present. Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonstandard. I > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach programming on a > > UNIX variant of some kind. In the past thre was a fair amount of people > > using VMS. However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did use > > Turbo/Borland. WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than UNIX > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making it > > through such a tough curriculum. > > > > Jim Wantz > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >