Re: Computer Science

[Richard Villa <rvilla1@swbell.net>]

I wonder when the last time anyone did any real programming not just 
coding using a language like assembler.

I don't believe anyone knows what programming is until they have to 
write in an assembly language.
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Johan 
Bergström wrote:

> In sweden the universities teach lisp/ada/c/c++ and other programming
> languages. Not IDE's. At least the ones I know about. There are separate
> windows programming classes, at some places, which are specially for
> people who enjoy that kind of stuff, where they debug the windows kernel
> using softice and stuff like that. They run most of their server in a *nix
> based enviroment.
> 
> johbe
> 
> On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
> 
> > Amanda so true. I am a CS student myself and I know exactly what my college
> > teaches. They teach you Visual Basic, html with Javascript,  Visual C++, MS
> > SQL, MS Access, and you get the point.
> > Almost everything is now Microsoft this, and Microsoft that. In fact all the
> > computers in the CS labs have Windows NT on them.
> > They use to offer Unix C programming courses, but I don't think they do any
> > more. Been a while since I stepped into a class room, and when I went
> > through they were just making the switch to MS everything.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Amanda Lee <amanda@shellworld.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: Computer Science
> >
> >
> > > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore.  The college grads we get
> > > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all about.
> > > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform.  I believe JAVA is
> > > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but usually C
> > > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on for
> > > straight C Language.
> > >
> > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to at
> > > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platform.  It's
> > > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education has been
> > > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life and think
> > > they can take on the World in a day!
> > >
> > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and the
> > > quality of code coming out is pretty awful.  There is even this mentality
> > > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everything they
> > > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why  there are so many
> > > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor efficiency.
> > >
> > > Amanda Lee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Chris,
> > > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since you
> > were
> > > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS and not
> > > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer science
> > > > department is very nonstandard.  Though I am a meteorologist, not a
> > > > computer science person, I know many computer science students in the
> > past
> > > > and the present.  Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonstandard.  I
> > > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach programming on
> > a
> > > > UNIX variant of some kind.  In the past thre was a fair amount of people
> > > > using VMS.  However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did use
> > > > Turbo/Borland.  WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than UNIX
> > > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making it
> > > > through such a tough curriculum.
> > > >
> > > >      Jim Wantz
> > > >
> > > >
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