* Features after users guide publication
@ Cleverson
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` Gene Collins
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From: Cleverson @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup
Hello all
I've read at speech-dispatcher docs that Speakup has a "read all" command,
but I didn't find any mention about this in the Speakup users guide.
In addition, when I press the keypad * while using Speakup, there is four
options rather than the two mentioned in the users guide, "cursoring on" and
"cursoring off".
So I ask:
1. In case Speakup users guide is really out of date, how do I proceed to
get Speakup current version and read its change log? My distro is Gentoo.
2. There are some features I would like to suggest, but perhaps it's better
to first update my Speakup and get aware of its current status. Is Speakup
still in development?
Many thanks for infos
Cleverson
"Be realistic; ask for the impossible."
_______________________________________________________
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* Re: Features after users guide publication [not found] ` <1173003851.2904.45.camel@layla> @ ` Michael Whapples ` Cleverson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I will answer your questions amongst the questions in your original message (read on). On Sat, 2007-03-03 at 23:41 -0300, Cleverson wrote: > Hello all > > I've read at speech-dispatcher docs that Speakup has a "read all" command, > but I didn't find any mention about this in the Speakup users guide. > > In addition, when I press the keypad * while using Speakup, there is four > options rather than the two mentioned in the users guide, "cursoring on" and > "cursoring off". > The other two highlight tracking, tries to follow the highlight and speak that, while the other read window allows you to define a rectangle "window" which speakup will monitor and speak changes (eg. if a program has a bar showing the current selected item's name, then use this to get the selected item's name spoken). The different settings work well for different programs. > So I ask: > > 1. In case Speakup users guide is really out of date, how do I proceed to > get Speakup current version and read its change log? My distro is Gentoo. > Well the user guide is up to date for the current release version, but as the next answer will tell you, you may be using a later version still. I don't know where gentoo will put that documentation, hopefully someone will be able to anser that. > 2. There are some features I would like to suggest, but perhaps it's better > to first update my Speakup and get aware of its current status. Is Speakup > still in development? > Yes it is still in development, continual development, but as you are able to use the very latest development code, then try it. This will probably mean you will need to use the standard kernel source rather than the gentoo kernel source (as I remember even their vanilla kernel source which is meant to be it before any modifications seemed to be slightly different preventing speakup patching from CVS). I can't remember how you tell gentoo that you will manage a package yourself as it has been some time since I have used gentoo. > Many thanks for infos > > Cleverson > > "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! > Experimente já e veja as novidades. > http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Features after users guide publication ` Michael Whapples @ ` Cleverson [not found] ` <1173031866.2904.93.camel@layla> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Cleverson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8", Size: 828 bytes --] Michahel wrote: "This will probably mean you will need to use the standard kernel source rather than the gentoo kernel source (as I remember even their vanilla kernel source which is meant to be it before any modifications seemed to be slightly different preventing speakup patching from CVS)." I was just wondering if I won't have any problems runing a standard kernel under Gentoo. Is there any other way I could download the current version and patch it manually? Maybe I'll have to learn how CVS works, as up to now I know subversion only. Anyways, thanks for all of infos. Cleverson "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Features after users guide publication [not found] ` <1173031866.2904.93.camel@layla> @ ` Michael Whapples ` Zachary Kline 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I don't think you will have any problems running a custom kernel under gentoo, if you did the configuration of the kernel yourself, you shouldn't have any trouble there (that would be where I would expect most users having the trouble). You will need to read the docs for the portage system to find out how to tell portage you are doing the kernel yourself (although I suppose you can miss this out and just not compile and install the kernel sources provided by portage, and just continue with your own custom kernel (source from kernel.org and patched with speakup)). Also CVS isn't too much different to subversion (particularly if you are only using it as a user, rather than developer). From Michael Whapples On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:34 -0300, Cleverson wrote: > Michahel wrote: > "This will probably mean you will need to use the standard > kernel source rather than the gentoo kernel source (as I remember even their > vanilla kernel source which is meant to be it before any modifications > seemed to be slightly different preventing > speakup patching from CVS)." > > I was just wondering if I won't have any problems runing a standard kernel > under Gentoo. Is there any other way I could download the current version > and patch it manually? Maybe I'll have to learn how CVS works, as up to now > I know subversion only. > > Anyways, thanks for all of infos. > > Cleverson > > "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opo para voc! > Experimente j e veja as novidades. > http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Features after users guide publication ` Michael Whapples @ ` Zachary Kline [not found] ` <1173048155.2904.108.camel@layla> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Gentoo does provide the standard kernel source. You'll want to read the Gentoo Kernel Guide, online. I forget the exact package name at the moment. Yours, Zack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mikster4@msn.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Features after users guide publication >I don't think you will have any problems running a custom kernel under > gentoo, if you did the configuration of the kernel yourself, you > shouldn't have any trouble there (that would be where I would expect > most users having the trouble). You will need to read the docs for the > portage system to find out how to tell portage you are doing the kernel > yourself (although I suppose you can miss this out and just not compile > and install the kernel sources provided by portage, and just continue > with your own custom kernel (source from kernel.org and patched with > speakup)). > > Also CVS isn't too much different to subversion (particularly if you are > only using it as a user, rather than developer). > > From > Michael Whapples > On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:34 -0300, Cleverson wrote: >> Michahel wrote: >> "This will probably mean you will need to use the standard >> kernel source rather than the gentoo kernel source (as I remember even >> their >> vanilla kernel source which is meant to be it before any modifications >> seemed to be slightly different preventing >> speakup patching from CVS)." >> >> I was just wondering if I won't have any problems runing a standard >> kernel >> under Gentoo. Is there any other way I could download the current version >> and patch it manually? Maybe I'll have to learn how CVS works, as up to >> now >> I know subversion only. >> >> Anyways, thanks for all of infos. >> >> Cleverson >> >> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opo para voc! >> Experimente j e veja as novidades. >> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Features after users guide publication [not found] ` <1173048155.2904.108.camel@layla> @ ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. As I remember the gentoo package of the standard kernel sources (the package name is something like vanilla-sources) didn't won't to patch with speakup from cvs, I guess they must have altered something very slightly for it being a gentoo package. May be something has changed since I used gentoo, the only way you will find out will be to try. From Michael Whapples On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 10:22 -0800, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi, > Gentoo does provide the standard kernel source. > You'll want to read the Gentoo Kernel Guide, online. I forget the exact > package name at the moment. > Yours, > Zack. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Whapples" <mikster4@msn.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:11 AM > Subject: Re: Features after users guide publication > > > >I don't think you will have any problems running a custom kernel under > > gentoo, if you did the configuration of the kernel yourself, you > > shouldn't have any trouble there (that would be where I would expect > > most users having the trouble). You will need to read the docs for the > > portage system to find out how to tell portage you are doing the kernel > > yourself (although I suppose you can miss this out and just not compile > > and install the kernel sources provided by portage, and just continue > > with your own custom kernel (source from kernel.org and patched with > > speakup)). > > > > Also CVS isn't too much different to subversion (particularly if you are > > only using it as a user, rather than developer). > > > > From > > Michael Whapples > > On Sun, 2007-03-04 at 12:34 -0300, Cleverson wrote: > >> Michahel wrote: > >> "This will probably mean you will need to use the standard > >> kernel source rather than the gentoo kernel source (as I remember even > >> their > >> vanilla kernel source which is meant to be it before any modifications > >> seemed to be slightly different preventing > >> speakup patching from CVS)." > >> > >> I was just wondering if I won't have any problems runing a standard > >> kernel > >> under Gentoo. Is there any other way I could download the current version > >> and patch it manually? Maybe I'll have to learn how CVS works, as up to > >> now > >> I know subversion only. > >> > >> Anyways, thanks for all of infos. > >> > >> Cleverson > >> > >> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opo para voc! > >> Experimente j e veja as novidades. > >> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Features after users guide publication Features after users guide publication Cleverson [not found] ` <1173003851.2904.45.camel@layla> @ ` Gene Collins ` Zachary Kline 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gene Collins @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi all. The reason the Speakup user's guide is out of date is that I'm waiting for the git tree to become stable enough for it to be moved into cvs. The changes in the git tree are extensive enough to warrant an extensive rewrite of the user's Guide. So have patience please. The read to end command is keypad insert r, and does not work with all synthesizers. If you try to use it with some older doubletalk rom versions, I think before 4.0, your system will lock hard, requiring you to ungracefully reboot the system. Use at your own risk. Remember the read to end is designed to be used in an editor or some other program that uses the arrow keys to scroll through the document. Thus it will not work at a shell prompt, or in the more command. Mike's earlier message describes the cursor options correctly, so I have nothing more to say about that here. Hope this helps. Gene >Hello all > >I've read at speech-dispatcher docs that Speakup has a "read all" command, = > >but I didn't find any mention about this in the Speakup users guide. > >In addition, when I press the keypad * while using Speakup, there is four = > >options rather than the two mentioned in the users guide, "cursoring on" an= >d = > >"cursoring off". > >So I ask: > >1. In case Speakup users guide is really out of date, how do I proceed to = > >get Speakup current version and read its change log? My distro is Gentoo. > >2. There are some features I would like to suggest, but perhaps it's better = > >to first update my Speakup and get aware of its current status. Is Speakup = > >still in development? > >Many thanks for infos > >Cleverson > >"Be realistic; ask for the impossible." = > > > > = > >_______________________________________________________ = > >Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op=E7=E3o para voc=EA! = > >Experimente j=E1 e veja as novidades. = > >http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > = > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Features after users guide publication ` Gene Collins @ ` Zachary Kline ` Cleverson ` Gene Collins 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, Pardon a newbie's question here, but what is the git tree, exactly? This isn't something I've ever heard of before. Thanks, Zack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Collins" <collins@gene3.ait.iastate.edu> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Features after users guide publication > Hi all. The reason the Speakup user's guide is out of date is that I'm > waiting for the git tree to become stable enough for it to be moved > into cvs. The changes in the git tree are extensive enough to warrant > an extensive rewrite of the user's Guide. So have patience please. > > The read to end command is keypad insert r, and does not work with all > synthesizers. If you try to use it with some older doubletalk rom > versions, I think before 4.0, your system will lock hard, requiring you > to ungracefully reboot the system. Use at your own risk. Remember the > read to end is designed to be used in an editor or some other program > that uses the arrow keys to scroll through the document. Thus it will > not work at a shell prompt, or in the more command. > > Mike's earlier message describes the cursor options correctly, so I have > nothing more to say about that here. Hope this helps. > > Gene > >>Hello all >> >>I've read at speech-dispatcher docs that Speakup has a "read all" command, >>= >> >>but I didn't find any mention about this in the Speakup users guide. >> >>In addition, when I press the keypad * while using Speakup, there is four >>= >> >>options rather than the two mentioned in the users guide, "cursoring on" >>an= >>d = >> >>"cursoring off". >> >>So I ask: >> >>1. In case Speakup users guide is really out of date, how do I proceed to >>= >> >>get Speakup current version and read its change log? My distro is Gentoo. >> >>2. There are some features I would like to suggest, but perhaps it's >>better = >> >>to first update my Speakup and get aware of its current status. Is Speakup >>= >> >>still in development? >> >>Many thanks for infos >> >>Cleverson >> >>"Be realistic; ask for the impossible." = >> >> >> >> = >> >>_______________________________________________________ = >> >>Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op=E7=E3o para voc=EA! = >> >>Experimente j=E1 e veja as novidades. = >> >>http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ >> = >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Speakup mailing list >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Features after users guide publication ` Zachary Kline @ ` Cleverson ` Gene Collins 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Cleverson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thank you Gene for explanations. Like Zack, I also was wondering..., what is "git tree"? Cheers, Cleverson "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Features after users guide publication ` Zachary Kline ` Cleverson @ ` Gene Collins ` Erik Heil 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gene Collins @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >Hello, >Pardon a newbie's question here, but what is the git tree, exactly? This >isn't something I've ever heard of before. >Thanks, >Zack. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gene Collins" <collins@gene3.ait.iastate.edu> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:39 AM >Subject: Re: Features after users guide publication > > >> Hi all. The reason the Speakup user's guide is out of date is that I'm >> waiting for the git tree to become stable enough for it to be moved >> into cvs. The changes in the git tree are extensive enough to warrant >> an extensive rewrite of the user's Guide. So have patience please. >> >> The read to end command is keypad insert r, and does not work with all >> synthesizers. If you try to use it with some older doubletalk rom >> versions, I think before 4.0, your system will lock hard, requiring you >> to ungracefully reboot the system. Use at your own risk. Remember the >> read to end is designed to be used in an editor or some other program >> that uses the arrow keys to scroll through the document. Thus it will >> not work at a shell prompt, or in the more command. >> >> Mike's earlier message describes the cursor options correctly, so I have >> nothing more to say about that here. Hope this helps. >> >> Gene >> >>>Hello all >>> >>>I've read at speech-dispatcher docs that Speakup has a "read all" command, >>>= >>> >>>but I didn't find any mention about this in the Speakup users guide. >>> >>>In addition, when I press the keypad * while using Speakup, there is four >>>= >>> >>>options rather than the two mentioned in the users guide, "cursoring on" >>>an= >>>d = >>> >>>"cursoring off". >>> >>>So I ask: >>> >>>1. In case Speakup users guide is really out of date, how do I proceed to >>>= >>> >>>get Speakup current version and read its change log? My distro is Gentoo. >>> >>>2. There are some features I would like to suggest, but perhaps it's >>>better = >>> >>>to first update my Speakup and get aware of its current status. Is Speakup >>>= >>> >>>still in development? >>> >>>Many thanks for infos >>> >>>Cleverson >>> >>>"Be realistic; ask for the impossible." = >>> >>> >>> >>> = >>> >>>_______________________________________________________ = >>> >>>Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op=E7=E3o para voc=EA! = >>> >>>Experimente j=E1 e veja as novidades. = >>> >>>http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ >>> = >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Speakup mailing list >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup Hi all. Git is a version control system written by Linus. It's sort of like cvs or svn. Anyway the folks trying to modify Speakup so it can be a part of the standard kernel are using it. When Kirk deems the git source stable enough for general access he will make it available from the Speakup cvs site. As of now, it's very unstable. Gene ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Features after users guide publication ` Gene Collins @ ` Erik Heil 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Erik Heil @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, I believe that git is just another revision control system, similar to GNU Arch,, CVS, and Subversion. Other than that, never actuallyed it, but have heard it discussed in various changelogs for Debian packages, especially wen related to upstream sources. On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Gene Collins wrote: > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:41:42 -0600 > From: Gene Collins <collins@gene3.ait.iastate.edu> > Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Subject: Re: Features after users guide publication > > >> Hello, >> Pardon a newbie's question here, but what is the git tree, exactly? This >> isn't something I've ever heard of before. >> Thanks, >> Zack. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gene Collins" <collins@gene3.ait.iastate.edu> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:39 AM >> Subject: Re: Features after users guide publication >> >> >>> Hi all. The reason the Speakup user's guide is out of date is that I'm >>> waiting for the git tree to become stable enough for it to be moved >>> into cvs. The changes in the git tree are extensive enough to warrant >>> an extensive rewrite of the user's Guide. So have patience please. >>> >>> The read to end command is keypad insert r, and does not work with all >>> synthesizers. If you try to use it with some older doubletalk rom >>> versions, I think before 4.0, your system will lock hard, requiring you >>> to ungracefully reboot the system. Use at your own risk. Remember the >>> read to end is designed to be used in an editor or some other program >>> that uses the arrow keys to scroll through the document. Thus it will >>> not work at a shell prompt, or in the more command. >>> >>> Mike's earlier message describes the cursor options correctly, so I have >>> nothing more to say about that here. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Gene >>> >>>> Hello all >>>> >>>> I've read at speech-dispatcher docs that Speakup has a "read all" command, >>>> = >>>> >>>> but I didn't find any mention about this in the Speakup users guide. >>>> >>>> In addition, when I press the keypad * while using Speakup, there is four >>>> = >>>> >>>> options rather than the two mentioned in the users guide, "cursoring on" >>>> an= >>>> d = >>>> >>>> "cursoring off". >>>> >>>> So I ask: >>>> >>>> 1. In case Speakup users guide is really out of date, how do I proceed to >>>> = >>>> >>>> get Speakup current version and read its change log? My distro is Gentoo. >>>> >>>> 2. There are some features I would like to suggest, but perhaps it's >>>> better = >>>> >>>> to first update my Speakup and get aware of its current status. Is Speakup >>>> = >>>> >>>> still in development? >>>> >>>> Many thanks for infos >>>> >>>> Cleverson >>>> >>>> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." = >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> = >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________ = >>>> >>>> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op=E7=E3o para voc=EA! = >>>> >>>> Experimente j=E1 e veja as novidades. = >>>> >>>> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ >>>> = >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > Hi all. Git is a version control system written by Linus. It's sort of > like cvs or svn. Anyway the folks trying to modify Speakup so it can be > a part of the standard kernel are using it. When Kirk deems the git > source stable enough for general access he will make it available from > the Speakup cvs site. As of now, it's very unstable. > > Gene > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > eheil@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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