thanks and success

thanks and success

[poehlman]

of course I have a question too.  Thanks to those who helped me get up and
running.  I tried to send this out earlier with a different question which
I have solved but I am thrilled to be using zipspeak even though it is a
stripped down version of slackware running on umsdos.

my question is has anyone used freeamp and how do you use it?
I have it installed and got some errors but need to know how to get it to
look for a song etc?
Thanks!

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Re: thanks and success

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi, David!
You have to be aware o of the fact that Freeamp does not substitute
Winamp, unfortunately. Yes, there is some initial error at startup, which
says that you don't have ALSA installed or something like that. If you
have more errors, it might be due to the fact that you don't have certain
necesary libraries installed. Please quote the errors. Otherwise,
Freeamp's usage is very simple:

freeamp [whatever]

Unfortunately, there is no way to have ACB Radio play automatically from a
web browser. The reason for that is that .pls files are sent as a straight
textand you cannot tell Linux to treat it otherwise. So, what one of the
listers suggested is to save .pls files with Lynx and then load them with
Freeamp on the command line. It works pretty fine.
Regards,
Vic

Dumb question (was Re: thanks and success)

[Joseph Norton]

Now, this is a dumb question.

Why can't you go into lynx.cfg and tell lynx what to do with the file
using the suffix: field.

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On Tue, 23 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

<snip>
> Unfortunately, there is no way to have ACB Radio play automatically from a
> web browser. The reason for that is that .pls files are sent as a straight
> textand you cannot tell Linux to treat it otherwise. So, what one of the
> listers suggested is to save .pls files with Lynx and then load them with
> Freeamp on the command line. It works pretty fine.

Re: thanks and success

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Actually, you can get it to play pls files from the website, though I
haven't tested it thoroughly.  You need to have the pls extention in
mime.types as follows:

audio/scpls pls

Then as long as you have a corrisponding entry in mailcap, it should
work.  Here's my mailcap entry:

audio/scpls; freeamp %s

You'll probably want to do the same with audio/x-scpls.  Wh;y there are 2
types is beyond me.

Probably the best way to deal with this is to get the mailcapstuff.tar.gz
file from ftp.braille.uwo.ca.  I think it's in /pub/linux/goodies but I'm
sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.  Just unpack it into your home
directory.  This will place two files there, .mime.types and .mailcap which
will compliment the equivalents in /etc.


Geoff.

Re: thanks and success

[Joseph Norton]

Why couldn't you use the suffix and viewer fields in lynx.cfg as well?  
The only reason I can think of for doing it the other way would be to have
the suffix and files recognized by other applications, but, guess there's
more than one way to skin a cat.

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On Wed, 24 May 2000, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> Actually, you can get it to play pls files from the website, though I
> haven't tested it thoroughly.  You need to have the pls extention in
> mime.types as follows:
> 
> audio/scpls pls
> 
> Then as long as you have a corrisponding entry in mailcap, it should
> work.  Here's my mailcap entry:
> 
> audio/scpls; freeamp %s
> 
> You'll probably want to do the same with audio/x-scpls.  Wh;y there are 2
> types is beyond me.
> 
> Probably the best way to deal with this is to get the mailcapstuff.tar.gz
> file from ftp.braille.uwo.ca.  I think it's in /pub/linux/goodies but I'm
> sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.  Just unpack it into your home
> directory.  This will place two files there, .mime.types and .mailcap which
> will compliment the equivalents in /etc.
> 
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: thanks and success

[Kerry Hoath]

Uh hang on a sec, you can map different file extentions with the lynx.cfg and
you can define a download method to play the file in the lynx.cfg.
Regarding your alsa messages, just remove the alsa.cmo plugin from
/usr/local/share/freeammp/plugins/ directory or somewhere.

If anyone wants me to come up with the magic lynx.cfg guff for .pls files
ask nicely and I'll see what I can do <g>

Regards, Kerry.
On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 08:52:45PM -0400, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Hi, David!
> You have to be aware o of the fact that Freeamp does not substitute
> Winamp, unfortunately. Yes, there is some initial error at startup, which
> says that you don't have ALSA installed or something like that. If you
> have more errors, it might be due to the fact that you don't have certain
> necesary libraries installed. Please quote the errors. Otherwise,
> Freeamp's usage is very simple:
> 
> freeamp [whatever]
> 
> Unfortunately, there is no way to have ACB Radio play automatically from a
> web browser. The reason for that is that .pls files are sent as a straight
> textand you cannot tell Linux to treat it otherwise. So, what one of the
> listers suggested is to save .pls files with Lynx and then load them with
> Freeamp on the command line. It works pretty fine.
> Regards,
> Vic
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Dumb question (was Re: thanks and success)

[Jacob Schmude]

Easy answer: Lynx also requires a mime type for it's suffixes. So, even if
you defined it there, it still wouldn't play, the mime type still would
not be recognized. I asked ACB radio to add a mime type for those files,
but they said they'd need to ask the ISP they're running on. Apparently,
they didn't get far, I've seen no mime type added.
	As an alternative, you might want to go to www.linux-speakup.org
and use the acb radio link they've provided for the mainstream, they've
got the mime type:
audio/x-scpls
defined and you just need to set that type up to be used with
freeamp. This still won't allow m3u files from acb radio to be played,
however. You'll still need to download and save them, then run freeamp on
them.

On Tue, 23 May 2000, Joseph Norton wrote:

> Now, this is a dumb question.
> 
> Why can't you go into lynx.cfg and tell lynx what to do with the file
> using the suffix: field.
> 
> -- 
> Anything that is good and useful is made of chocolate.
> 
> On Tue, 23 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> > Unfortunately, there is no way to have ACB Radio play automatically from a
> > web browser. The reason for that is that .pls files are sent as a straight
> > textand you cannot tell Linux to treat it otherwise. So, what one of the
> > listers suggested is to save .pls files with Lynx and then load them with
> > Freeamp on the command line. It works pretty fine.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> 

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Re: Dumb question (was Re: thanks and success)

[Victor Tsaran]

Because I want it to be global. What if I use Emacs/W3 browser?
Regards,
V

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Norton" <jnorton@nortcom.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: Dumb question (was Re: thanks and success)


> Now, this is a dumb question.
>
> Why can't you go into lynx.cfg and tell lynx what to do with the file
> using the suffix: field.
>
> --
> Anything that is good and useful is made of chocolate.
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Unfortunately, there is no way to have ACB Radio play automatically from
a
> > web browser. The reason for that is that .pls files are sent as a
straight
> > textand you cannot tell Linux to treat it otherwise. So, what one of the
> > listers suggested is to save .pls files with Lynx and then load them
with
> > Freeamp on the command line. It works pretty fine.
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: thanks and success

[Kirk Reiser]

There is a simple little tar ball in the goodies directory that I
created with a .mailcap and a .mime.types files in them which will
make lynx use most of the standard extensions correctly.  The mailcap
currently is set up for freeamp, aplay and trplayer, Matt's command
line real audio player.  You can edit that file to change the various
players to suit your system.

  Kirk

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Re: thanks and success

[David Poehlman]

it seems as though freeamp does not automatically detect my sound card.  the
file plays but nothing happens auditorially.

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Re: thanks and success

[Kirk Reiser]

David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net> writes:

> it seems as though freeamp does not automatically detect my sound card.  the
> file plays but nothing happens auditorially.

Hi Dave:  Are you using the ALSA drivers?  If so, it might not be
playing because you either haven't set up the mixer or have run
alsactl restore to set the setting after a boot.  Freeamp doesn't
actually look for the card it just writes to the /dev/dsp sound
device.

  Kirk

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phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: thanks and success

[David Poehlman]

No, I have done nothing but install and run freeamp.  didn't know how to
configure sound drivers.
Thanks!

Kirk Reiser wrote:
> 
> David Poehlman <poehlman@clark.net> writes:
> 
> > it seems as though freeamp does not automatically detect my sound card.  the
> > file plays but nothing happens auditorially.
> 
> Hi Dave:  Are you using the ALSA drivers?  If so, it might not be
> playing because you either haven't set up the mixer or have run
> alsactl restore to set the setting after a boot.  Freeamp doesn't
> actually look for the card it just writes to the /dev/dsp sound
> device.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> --
> 
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> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca             University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> 
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Re: thanks and success

[Kirk Reiser]

Hmmm, then it depends which distribution you are using whether the
sound drivers are included by default.  I suspect they may not be.

  Kirk

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Re: thanks and success

[David Poehlman]

I'm using zipspeak.

Kirk Reiser wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, then it depends which distribution you are using whether the
> sound drivers are included by default.  I suspect they may not be.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> --
> 
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> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca             University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
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Re: thanks and success

[Jacob Schmude]

	You have the sound drivers, they're not loaded, though. The
included sound drivers are the OSS/Free drivers, and fairly
primative. They'll work fine for basic sound playing, though. What sound
card do you have? If you've got an SB live, you'll need to install the
ALSA sound drivers. Even if your card is supported by the included
drivers, the ALSA ones are better anyway.
	If your sound card is plug and play, there's another problem. If
you're not technically inclined, it'll be rather hard to set up plug and
play. This would be another reason to get ALSA sound drivers, as they have
plug and play built in. Most ISA sound cards are plug and play. If the
card is PCI and is plug and play, I don't know how it works for setting
that up. Plug and play just means auto-setting up of IRQs and such
parameters, so you don't have to change dip switches or jumper blocks on
the card.

On Thu, 25 May 2000, David Poehlman wrote:

> I'm using zipspeak.
> 
> Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > 
> > Hmmm, then it depends which distribution you are using whether the
> > sound drivers are included by default.  I suspect they may not be.
> > 
> >   Kirk
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Kirk Reiser                             The Computer Braille Facility
> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca             University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
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Re: thanks and success

[David Poehlman]

my soundcard is built into the mother board.  it is a crystal sound card
which I don't know much about I'll admit but if someone would provide me
with instructions, I could probably follow them.
Thanks!

Jacob Schmude wrote:
> 
>         You have the sound drivers, they're not loaded, though. The
> included sound drivers are the OSS/Free drivers, and fairly
> primative. They'll work fine for basic sound playing, though. What sound
> card do you have? If you've got an SB live, you'll need to install the
> ALSA sound drivers. Even if your card is supported by the included
> drivers, the ALSA ones are better anyway.
>         If your sound card is plug and play, there's another problem. If
> you're not technically inclined, it'll be rather hard to set up plug and
> play. This would be another reason to get ALSA sound drivers, as they have
> plug and play built in. Most ISA sound cards are plug and play. If the
> card is PCI and is plug and play, I don't know how it works for setting
> that up. Plug and play just means auto-setting up of IRQs and such
> parameters, so you don't have to change dip switches or jumper blocks on
> the card.
> 
> On Thu, 25 May 2000, David Poehlman wrote:
> 
> > I'm using zipspeak.
> >
> > Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmmm, then it depends which distribution you are using whether the
> > > sound drivers are included by default.  I suspect they may not be.
> > >
> > >   Kirk
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Kirk Reiser                             The Computer Braille Facility
> > > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca             University of Western Ontario
> > > phone: (519) 661-3061
> > >
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> > ftp://poehlman.clark.net
> > http://poehlman.clark.net
> > mailto:poehlman@clark.net
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> 
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Re: thanks and success

[Jacob Schmude]

	There are a few models of crystal sound cards. As far as I can
tell, the included drivers only support the cs-4232 model. Try:
modprobe cs4232
and try playing something. Do the modprobe as root, see if you get
sounds. While loading the module, no output should be generated. If it is,
and it says something like:
device or resource busy
then you probably don't have the right model. I know the ALSA drivers
support a wider range of crystal cards, but I myself use a sound blaster
16, so I wouldn't be the one to tell you how well the crystal cards
work. The models that ALSA supports are:
cs-4231, cs-4232, cs-4236, and cs-461x.
	If you can't load the included driver with your card, you may need
ALSA.
	Hopefully, they didn't make it a windows-only card. If they did
somehow, you're out of luck.

On Thu, 25 May 2000, David Poehlman wrote:

> my soundcard is built into the mother board.  it is a crystal sound card
> which I don't know much about I'll admit but if someone would provide me
> with instructions, I could probably follow them.
> Thanks!
> 
> Jacob Schmude wrote:
> > 
> >         You have the sound drivers, they're not loaded, though. The
> > included sound drivers are the OSS/Free drivers, and fairly
> > primative. They'll work fine for basic sound playing, though. What sound
> > card do you have? If you've got an SB live, you'll need to install the
> > ALSA sound drivers. Even if your card is supported by the included
> > drivers, the ALSA ones are better anyway.
> >         If your sound card is plug and play, there's another problem. If
> > you're not technically inclined, it'll be rather hard to set up plug and
> > play. This would be another reason to get ALSA sound drivers, as they have
> > plug and play built in. Most ISA sound cards are plug and play. If the
> > card is PCI and is plug and play, I don't know how it works for setting
> > that up. Plug and play just means auto-setting up of IRQs and such
> > parameters, so you don't have to change dip switches or jumper blocks on
> > the card.
> > 
> > On Thu, 25 May 2000, David Poehlman wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm using zipspeak.
> > >
> > > Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hmmm, then it depends which distribution you are using whether the
> > > > sound drivers are included by default.  I suspect they may not be.
> > > >
> > > >   Kirk
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Kirk Reiser                             The Computer Braille Facility
> > > > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca             University of Western Ontario
> > > > phone: (519) 661-3061
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > > ftp://poehlman.clark.net
> > > http://poehlman.clark.net
> > > mailto:poehlman@clark.net
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> > 
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> > 
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Re: thanks and success

[Victor Tsaran]

What card?
V

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman@clark.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: thanks and success


> I'm using zipspeak.
> 
> Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > 
> > Hmmm, then it depends which distribution you are using whether the
> > sound drivers are included by default.  I suspect they may not be.
> > 
> >   Kirk
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Kirk Reiser                             The Computer Braille Facility
> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca             University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
> > 
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Re: thanks and success

[Janina Sajka]

At some point in the discussions about zipspeak it becomes useful to
recognize that zipspeak is a guest OS inside a host OS. The meaning in
this recognition may be that all services may not be available that would
be in a native environment. At least, it is reasonable to consider this
possibility. In fact, I'd say this is a probability and not merely a
possibility.

On Thu, 25 May 2000, David Poehlman wrote:

> it seems as though freeamp does not automatically detect my sound card.  the
> file plays but nothing happens auditorially.
> 
> 

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