grml spelling issues

grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I have found that grml and software speech mostley spells out words
and very slowly.  If you do a google search for grml speech you will find
a message about this issue.  It is caused by the pre empt option in the
kernel.  rebuilding the kkernel will fix this problem.  The question is
how would I rebuild the full iso image after doing this and other changes
I want to make such as having software speech start automatically?  Is
there a way to turn a grml system into a plane debian system after it is
installed on to a hard drive?

Re: grml spelling issues

[Chris Norman]

I find that running speechd-up with a niceness of -20 solves that issue.

HTH.
On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 19:33 -0500, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> Hi, I have found that grml and software speech mostley spells out words
> and very slowly.  If you do a google search for grml speech you will find
> a message about this issue.  It is caused by the pre empt option in the
> kernel.  rebuilding the kkernel will fix this problem.  The question is
> how would I rebuild the full iso image after doing this and other changes
> I want to make such as having software speech start automatically?  Is
> there a way to turn a grml system into a plane debian system after it is
> installed on to a hard drive?
> 
> 
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, How do I do this on the live CD?  How could I rebuild the live CD to
do this automatically?On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Chris Norman wrote:

> I find that running speechd-up with a niceness of -20 solves that issue.
>
> HTH.
> On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 19:33 -0500, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > Hi, I have found that grml and software speech mostley spells out words
> > and very slowly.  If you do a google search for grml speech you will find
> > a message about this issue.  It is caused by the pre empt option in the
> > kernel.  rebuilding the kkernel will fix this problem.  The question is
> > how would I rebuild the full iso image after doing this and other changes
> > I want to make such as having software speech start automatically?  Is
> > there a way to turn a grml system into a plane debian system after it is
> > installed on to a hard drive?
> >
> >
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Tyler Spivey]

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If I can put together a linux system again (probably a vmware system
since the rest of my hardware is in pieces), I'm going to remaster grml
0.9 over the weekend to have eSpeak support and recompile its kernel. If
you're interested, I can put up the commands I end up using for this
process. This is a bit complicated by the fact that grml cannot be used
to remaster itself, or it'll crash - I hope 0.9 doesn't, but who knows.
- - Tyler

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:33:34PM -0500, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> Hi, How do I do this on the live CD?  How could I rebuild the live CD to
> do this automatically?On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Chris Norman wrote:
> 
> > I find that running speechd-up with a niceness of -20 solves that issue.
> >
> > HTH.
> > On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 19:33 -0500, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > > Hi, I have found that grml and software speech mostley spells out words
> > > and very slowly.  If you do a google search for grml speech you will find
> > > a message about this issue.  It is caused by the pre empt option in the
> > > kernel.  rebuilding the kkernel will fix this problem.  The question is
> > > how would I rebuild the full iso image after doing this and other changes
> > > I want to make such as having software speech start automatically?  Is
> > > there a way to turn a grml system into a plane debian system after it is
> > > installed on to a hard drive?
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 03:44:29AM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> If
> you're interested, I can put up the commands I end up using for this
> process.

Yes, please do. I for one would be interested.

Greg


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Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I would be very interested in rebuilding grml to fix this spelling
issues and to have the swspeak option automatically start on my copy
unless I tell it not to or make it start when the swspeak option is used
at boot time rather then having to retype it once the system is running.On
Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Tyler Spivey wrote:

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> If I can put together a linux system again (probably a vmware system
> since the rest of my hardware is in pieces), I'm going to remaster grml
> 0.9 over the weekend to have eSpeak support and recompile its kernel. If
> you're interested, I can put up the commands I end up using for this
> process. This is a bit complicated by the fact that grml cannot be used
> to remaster itself, or it'll crash - I hope 0.9 doesn't, but who knows.
> - - Tyler
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:33:34PM -0500, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > Hi, How do I do this on the live CD?  How could I rebuild the live CD to
> > do this automatically?On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Chris Norman wrote:
> >
> > > I find that running speechd-up with a niceness of -20 solves that issue.
> > >
> > > HTH.
> > > On Wed, 2007-03-14 at 19:33 -0500, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > > > Hi, I have found that grml and software speech mostley spells out words
> > > > and very slowly.  If you do a google search for grml speech you will find
> > > > a message about this issue.  It is caused by the pre empt option in the
> > > > kernel.  rebuilding the kkernel will fix this problem.  The question is
> > > > how would I rebuild the full iso image after doing this and other changes
> > > > I want to make such as having software speech start automatically?  Is
> > > > there a way to turn a grml system into a plane debian system after it is
> > > > installed on to a hard drive?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Nick Gawronski <nick@nickgawronski.com> wrote:

> Hi, I would be very interested in rebuilding grml to fix this spelling
> issues and to have the swspeak option automatically start on my copy
> unless I tell it not to or make it start when the swspeak option is used
> at boot time rather then having to retype it once the system is running.

Just adjust the DEFAULT append line in boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg on
the ISO to use swspeak by default.

I just added the appropriate code to main grml itself so speechd-up
will run with a niceness level of -20 by default now when using the
swspeak command/alias. This should fix the issue that has been
reported here. Oh and the mixer will be set to a level of 90 by
default now when using swspeak as well. I'll do some further testing
and if there aren't any problems, the next develrelease (will be
available very soon) as well as the next stable release will ship
that.

-mika-
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, after I make the changes to the isolinux configuration file how do I 
rebuild the full iso?  Also, when extracting the squash filesystem I got 
some messages about /dev/log is being skipped because it is a sockett or 
simmilar messages what do these messages mean when extracting the contence 
and how can I work around them?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Prokop" <mika@grml.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: grml spelling issues


>* Nick Gawronski <nick@nickgawronski.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, I would be very interested in rebuilding grml to fix this spelling
>> issues and to have the swspeak option automatically start on my copy
>> unless I tell it not to or make it start when the swspeak option is used
>> at boot time rather then having to retype it once the system is running.
>
> Just adjust the DEFAULT append line in boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg on
> the ISO to use swspeak by default.
>
> I just added the appropriate code to main grml itself so speechd-up
> will run with a niceness level of -20 by default now when using the
> swspeak command/alias. This should fix the issue that has been
> reported here. Oh and the mixer will be set to a level of 90 by
> default now when using swspeak as well. I'll do some further testing
> and if there aren't any problems, the next develrelease (will be
> available very soon) as well as the next stable release will ship
> that.
>
> -mika-
> -- 
> ,'"`.         http://www.michael-prokop.at/
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> `._,'         http://www.grml.org/
>
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Gregory Nowak]

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Since you're making changes to the main grml iso, can you also please
consider switching from festival to espeak as the default synth? Not
only is it also a gpl synth, but it has a smaller foot print, and sounds
better than festival does. I don't think I'd be the only one who would
like to see this change made as well. Thanks.

Greg


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Prokop" <mika@grml.org>
> > Just adjust the DEFAULT append line in boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg on
> > the ISO to use swspeak by default.
> >
> > I just added the appropriate code to main grml itself so speechd-up
> > will run with a niceness level of -20 by default now when using the
> > swspeak command/alias. This should fix the issue that has been
> > reported here. Oh and the mixer will be set to a level of 90 by
> > default now when using swspeak as well. I'll do some further testing
> > and if there aren't any problems, the next develrelease (will be
> > available very soon) as well as the next stable release will ship
> > that.
> >
> > -mika-
> > -- 
> > ,'"`.         http://www.michael-prokop.at/
> > (  grml.org -? Linux Live-CD for texttool-users and sysadmins
> > `._,'         http://www.grml.org/
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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RE: grml spelling issues

[Tom Moore]

Actually from what I remember the default synth is Flite.
I could be wrong about this though.

Tom
 

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Subject: Re: grml spelling issues

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Since you're making changes to the main grml iso, can you also please
consider switching from festival to espeak as the default synth? Not
only is it also a gpl synth, but it has a smaller foot print, and sounds
better than festival does. I don't think I'd be the only one who would
like to see this change made as well. Thanks.

Greg


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Prokop" <mika@grml.org>
> > Just adjust the DEFAULT append line in boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg on
> > the ISO to use swspeak by default.
> >
> > I just added the appropriate code to main grml itself so speechd-up
> > will run with a niceness level of -20 by default now when using the
> > swspeak command/alias. This should fix the issue that has been
> > reported here. Oh and the mixer will be set to a level of 90 by
> > default now when using swspeak as well. I'll do some further testing
> > and if there aren't any problems, the next develrelease (will be
> > available very soon) as well as the next stable release will ship
> > that.
> >
> > -mika-
> > -- 
> > ,'"`.         http://www.michael-prokop.at/
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> > `._,'         http://www.grml.org/
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, Why not write the grml developers about this one?  It would be nice if 
it supported both.
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: grml spelling issues


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> Since you're making changes to the main grml iso, can you also please
> consider switching from festival to espeak as the default synth? Not
> only is it also a gpl synth, but it has a smaller foot print, and sounds
> better than festival does. I don't think I'd be the only one who would
> like to see this change made as well. Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael Prokop" <mika@grml.org>
>> > Just adjust the DEFAULT append line in boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg on
>> > the ISO to use swspeak by default.
>> >
>> > I just added the appropriate code to main grml itself so speechd-up
>> > will run with a niceness level of -20 by default now when using the
>> > swspeak command/alias. This should fix the issue that has been
>> > reported here. Oh and the mixer will be set to a level of 90 by
>> > default now when using swspeak as well. I'll do some further testing
>> > and if there aren't any problems, the next develrelease (will be
>> > available very soon) as well as the next stable release will ship
>> > that.
>> >
>> > -mika-
>> > -- 
>> > ,'"`.         http://www.michael-prokop.at/
>> > (  grml.org -? Linux Live-CD for texttool-users and sysadmins
>> > `._,'         http://www.grml.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, the default synth is flite in grml.  It would be nice if they supported 
other free software synths.
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To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: grml spelling issues


> Actually from what I remember the default synth is Flite.
> I could be wrong about this though.
>
> Tom
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 6:13 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: grml spelling issues
>
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> Since you're making changes to the main grml iso, can you also please
> consider switching from festival to espeak as the default synth? Not
> only is it also a gpl synth, but it has a smaller foot print, and sounds
> better than festival does. I don't think I'd be the only one who would
> like to see this change made as well. Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Michael Prokop" <mika@grml.org>
>> > Just adjust the DEFAULT append line in boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg on
>> > the ISO to use swspeak by default.
>> >
>> > I just added the appropriate code to main grml itself so speechd-up
>> > will run with a niceness level of -20 by default now when using the
>> > swspeak command/alias. This should fix the issue that has been
>> > reported here. Oh and the mixer will be set to a level of 90 by
>> > default now when using swspeak as well. I'll do some further testing
>> > and if there aren't any problems, the next develrelease (will be
>> > available very soon) as well as the next stable release will ship
>> > that.
>> >
>> > -mika-
>> > -- 
>> > ,'"`.         http://www.michael-prokop.at/
>> > (  grml.org -? Linux Live-CD for texttool-users and sysadmins
>> > `._,'         http://www.grml.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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RE: grml spelling issues

[Tom Moore]

Yes, I agree.
The speech from both synths is pretty much the same sound.
Speed for each is a little bit different.
Flite seems to be the faster of the two.
I've never really tried Espeak myself so I don't know what it sounds like to
put it up against the two other synths.

Tom

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Ok, I didn't remember if it was flite or festival, and thought it was
festival. The point is though that both flite and festival sound about
the
same, so my request still stands.

Greg



On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 07:29:58PM -0300, Tom Moore wrote:
> Actually from what I remember the default synth is Flite.
> I could be wrong about this though.
> 
> Tom
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Gregory Nowak]

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Ok, I didn't remember if it was flite or festival, and thought it was
festival. The point is though that both flite and festival sound about
the
same, so my request still stands.

Greg



On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 07:29:58PM -0300, Tom Moore wrote:
> Actually from what I remember the default synth is Flite.
> I could be wrong about this though.
> 
> Tom
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, What is the main difference between festival and flite?
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> Yes, I agree.
> The speech from both synths is pretty much the same sound.
> Speed for each is a little bit different.
> Flite seems to be the faster of the two.
> I've never really tried Espeak myself so I don't know what it sounds like 
> to
> put it up against the two other synths.
>
> Tom
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> Ok, I didn't remember if it was flite or festival, and thought it was
> festival. The point is though that both flite and festival sound about
> the
> same, so my request still stands.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 07:29:58PM -0300, Tom Moore wrote:
>> Actually from what I remember the default synth is Flite.
>> I could be wrong about this though.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
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RE: grml spelling issues

[Scott Ford]

Hi yall,
	I like the idea of having the ability of having other synths to
choose from.  I however find
Espeak does not sound quite as clear to me.  I like the current synthesizer
that is being used.
Scott  

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Since you're making changes to the main grml iso, can you also please
consider switching from festival to espeak as the default synth? Not only is
it also a gpl synth, but it has a smaller foot print, and sounds better than
festival does. I don't think I'd be the only one who would like to see this
change made as well. Thanks.

Greg


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> > Just adjust the DEFAULT append line in boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg on 
> > the ISO to use swspeak by default.
> >
> > I just added the appropriate code to main grml itself so speechd-up 
> > will run with a niceness level of -20 by default now when using the 
> > swspeak command/alias. This should fix the issue that has been 
> > reported here. Oh and the mixer will be set to a level of 90 by 
> > default now when using swspeak as well. I'll do some further testing 
> > and if there aren't any problems, the next develrelease (will be 
> > available very soon) as well as the next stable release will ship 
> > that.
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Adam Myrow]

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Nick Gawronski wrote:

> Hi, What is the main difference between festival and flite?

Flite was written to be a small light-weight synthesizer, and Festival is 
not.  Festival has a built-in Scheme parser, among other things.  Of 
course, Flite is no light-weight when it comes to building from source. 
It's just supposed to be smaller and faster.  It stands for Festival 
Light.

Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Nick Gawronski <nick@nickgawronski.com> wrote:

> Hi, after I make the changes to the isolinux configuration file how do I 
> rebuild the full iso?

Using mkisofs. See http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=remastering

> Also, when extracting the squash filesystem I got some messages
> about /dev/log is being skipped because it is a sockett or
> simmilar messages what do these messages mean when extracting the
> contence and how can I work around them?

Sorry, I don't know what you did and what you're talking about.
If you follow the instructions on
http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=remastering it should work for you.

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Nick Gawronski <nick@nickgawronski.com> wrote:

> Hi, Why not write the grml developers about this one?  It would be
> nice if it supported both.

Well, I'm the same opinion as Scott Ford. Quoting his mail:

"I however find Espeak does not sound quite as clear to me.  I like
the current synthesizer that is being used."

What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?

Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Jonathan Duddington]

On 18 Mar, Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org> wrote:

> Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
> running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...

> What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?

It's smaller :-)

Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Jonathan Duddington <jsd@clara.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18 Mar, Michael Prokop <mika@grml.org> wrote:

>> Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
>> running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...

>> What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?

> It's smaller :-)

Definitely a plus for live-cds with limits regarding space. ;)

But IMHO eflite produces much better output than eflite, or is that
just a problem of the default configuration (of eflite's Debian
package)?

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Hynek Hanke]

Michael Prokop píše v Ne 18. 03. 2007 v 15:59 +0100:
> "I however find Espeak does not sound quite as clear to me.  I like
> the current synthesizer that is being used."
> What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?

Compared to eFlite, eSpeak is a multi-lingual synthesizer.
Although the quality of languages is very variable, it is possible to
use it for MANY languages in a way that it is understandable (useful).
The span is even wider than documented, because for example for Czech it
is possible to use it with the Polish voice and understand it. I believe
this is the case for other close languages too. And I'm amazed on how
fast voices for new languages are being added, although of only basic
quality. eFlite is nowhere near this...

> Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
> running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...

If necessary for disk space reasons, I highly recommend dropping Flite
in favor of eSpeak.

Have a nice day,
Hynek Hanke

Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:
> Michael Prokop pí?e v Ne 18. 03. 2007 v 15:59 +0100:

>> "I however find Espeak does not sound quite as clear to me.  I like
>> the current synthesizer that is being used."
>> What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?

> Compared to eFlite, eSpeak is a multi-lingual synthesizer.
> Although the quality of languages is very variable, it is possible to
> use it for MANY languages in a way that it is understandable (useful).
> The span is even wider than documented, because for example for Czech it
> is possible to use it with the Polish voice and understand it. I believe
> this is the case for other close languages too. And I'm amazed on how
> fast voices for new languages are being added, although of only basic
> quality. eFlite is nowhere near this...

Ok, thanks.

>> Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
>> running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...

> If necessary for disk space reasons, I highly recommend dropping Flite
> in favor of eSpeak.

Ok. When I'm removing libflite1, besides flite and eflite also
brltty-flite and speech-dispatcher will disappear. This would bring
me >15MB of disk space whereas espeak needs only 1200kB at total, so
definitely appreciated from my side.

But I've to take a look at espeak and its configuration first of
all. Any help and feedback regarding espeak's configuration on grml
is highly welcome.

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Tyler Spivey]

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I have a modified espeak-generic.conf at
http://tspivey.freeshell.org/espeak-generic.conf. You might want to
modify it again so that it goes through the sox play command, since the
one I have sort of chops - I'm not sure about the latest version of
espeak. I think the blank line deletion still stands - speech dispatcher
sometimes sends just blank lines to espeak, which causes it to pause.
- - Tyler

On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 11:45:10PM +0100, Michael Prokop wrote:
> * Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:
> > Michael Prokop p??e v Ne 18. 03. 2007 v 15:59 +0100:
> 
> >> "I however find Espeak does not sound quite as clear to me.  I like
> >> the current synthesizer that is being used."
> >> What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?
> 
> > Compared to eFlite, eSpeak is a multi-lingual synthesizer.
> > Although the quality of languages is very variable, it is possible to
> > use it for MANY languages in a way that it is understandable (useful).
> > The span is even wider than documented, because for example for Czech it
> > is possible to use it with the Polish voice and understand it. I believe
> > this is the case for other close languages too. And I'm amazed on how
> > fast voices for new languages are being added, although of only basic
> > quality. eFlite is nowhere near this...
> 
> Ok, thanks.
> 
> >> Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
> >> running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...
> 
> > If necessary for disk space reasons, I highly recommend dropping Flite
> > in favor of eSpeak.
> 
> Ok. When I'm removing libflite1, besides flite and eflite also
> brltty-flite and speech-dispatcher will disappear. This would bring
> me >15MB of disk space whereas espeak needs only 1200kB at total, so
> definitely appreciated from my side.
> 
> But I've to take a look at espeak and its configuration first of
> all. Any help and feedback regarding espeak's configuration on grml
> is highly welcome.
> 
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:

> I have a modified espeak-generic.conf at
> http://tspivey.freeshell.org/espeak-generic.conf. You might want to
> modify it again so that it goes through the sox play command, since the
> one I have sort of chops - I'm not sure about the latest version of
> espeak. I think the blank line deletion still stands - speech dispatcher
> sometimes sends just blank lines to espeak, which causes it to pause.

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Hynek Hanke]

Michael Prokop:
> Ok. When I'm removing libflite1, besides flite and eflite also
> brltty-flite and speech-dispatcher will disappear. This would bring

Hm, of course I'm biased on this :), but why do you want to remove
Speech Dispatcher? It doesn't depend on Flite.

Have a nice day,
Hynek

Re: grml spelling issues

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

If brltty-flite disappears, would that eliminate using a braille display with GRML?  If so, could it be replace?  Though I'm not lucky enough to have a braille display for my Linux box, I often wish I did.  If the proposed change would indeed eliminate that choice, than I'd certainly recommend against it:  I doubt the improvement either in speech or shrinkage would warrant it.  I'm sorry if my comments here are way off the mark, but it seems best to raise the question.  Thanks!

Al
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* Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:
> Michael Prokop pí?e v Ne 18. 03. 2007 v 15:59 +0100:

>> "I however find Espeak does not sound quite as clear to me.  I like
>> the current synthesizer that is being used."
>> What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?

> Compared to eFlite, eSpeak is a multi-lingual synthesizer.
> Although the quality of languages is very variable, it is possible to
> use it for MANY languages in a way that it is understandable (useful).
> The span is even wider than documented, because for example for Czech it
> is possible to use it with the Polish voice and understand it. I believe
> this is the case for other close languages too. And I'm amazed on how
> fast voices for new languages are being added, although of only basic
> quality. eFlite is nowhere near this...

Ok, thanks.

>> Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
>> running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...

> If necessary for disk space reasons, I highly recommend dropping Flite
> in favor of eSpeak.

Ok. When I'm removing libflite1, besides flite and eflite also
brltty-flite and speech-dispatcher will disappear. This would bring
me >15MB of disk space whereas espeak needs only 1200kB at total, so
definitely appreciated from my side.

But I've to take a look at espeak and its configuration first of
all. Any help and feedback regarding espeak's configuration on grml
is highly welcome.

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Albert E. Sten-Clanton <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> wrote:

> If brltty-flite disappears, would that eliminate using a braille
> display with GRML?  If so, could it be replace?

I'm not really sure about that, I'll talk to Mario Lang
(Debian-maintainer of many accessibility packages) who has far more
knowledge in this area than me.

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:
> Michael Prokop:
>> Ok. When I'm removing libflite1, besides flite and eflite also
>> brltty-flite and speech-dispatcher will disappear. This would bring

> Hm, of course I'm biased on this :), but why do you want to remove
> Speech Dispatcher? It doesn't depend on Flite.

Because speech-dispatcher depends on libflite1. If I would remove
libflite1 then speech-dispatcher would disappear as well. I'm not
yet sure how to decide on this issue. ;)

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Re: grml spelling issues

[hanke]

> * Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:
> > Hm, of course I'm biased on this :), but why do you
> > want to remove Speech Dispatcher? It doesn't depend on Flite.
> Because speech-dispatcher depends on libflite1. If
> I would remove libflite1 then speech-dispatcher would disappear as
> well. I'm not yet sure how to decide on this issue. ;)

No, it doesn't. I think you are speaking about the Debian
package which is built with Flite support? You can build Speech
Dispatcher without Flite as well.

Have a nice day,
Hynek Hanke


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Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* hanke@volny.cz <hanke@volny.cz> wrote:
>> * Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:

>> > Hm, of course I'm biased on this :), but why do you
>> > want to remove Speech Dispatcher? It doesn't depend on Flite.

>> Because speech-dispatcher depends on libflite1. If
>> I would remove libflite1 then speech-dispatcher would disappear as
>> well. I'm not yet sure how to decide on this issue. ;)

> No, it doesn't. I think you are speaking about the Debian
> package which is built with Flite support?

Ah sure - yes, sorry - forgot to mention that. :)

> You can build Speech Dispatcher without Flite as well.

Thanks for information.

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Zachary Kline]

Well, Speech-Dispatcher is wwhat makes software speech possible.  I should 
think the decision would be obvious.
THhanks,
Zack.

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* Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:
> Michael Prokop:
>> Ok. When I'm removing libflite1, besides flite and eflite also
>> brltty-flite and speech-dispatcher will disappear. This would bring

> Hm, of course I'm biased on this :), but why do you want to remove
> Speech Dispatcher? It doesn't depend on Flite.

Because speech-dispatcher depends on libflite1. If I would remove
libflite1 then speech-dispatcher would disappear as well. I'm not
yet sure how to decide on this issue. ;)

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Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, flite sounds good but it would be nice if someone somewhere could put up 
some small wav files of what espeak sounds like so we can take a listen to 
it.
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: grml spelling issues


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>
> I have a modified espeak-generic.conf at
> http://tspivey.freeshell.org/espeak-generic.conf. You might want to
> modify it again so that it goes through the sox play command, since the
> one I have sort of chops - I'm not sure about the latest version of
> espeak. I think the blank line deletion still stands - speech dispatcher
> sometimes sends just blank lines to espeak, which causes it to pause.
> - - Tyler
>
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 11:45:10PM +0100, Michael Prokop wrote:
>> * Hynek Hanke <hanke@brailcom.org> wrote:
>> > Michael Prokop p??e v Ne 18. 03. 2007 v 15:59 +0100:
>>
>> >> "I however find Espeak does not sound quite as clear to me.  I like
>> >> the current synthesizer that is being used."
>> >> What benefit would espeak bring compared to eflite?
>>
>> > Compared to eFlite, eSpeak is a multi-lingual synthesizer.
>> > Although the quality of languages is very variable, it is possible to
>> > use it for MANY languages in a way that it is understandable (useful).
>> > The span is even wider than documented, because for example for Czech 
>> > it
>> > is possible to use it with the Polish voice and understand it. I 
>> > believe
>> > this is the case for other close languages too. And I'm amazed on how
>> > fast voices for new languages are being added, although of only basic
>> > quality. eFlite is nowhere near this...
>>
>> Ok, thanks.
>>
>> >> Disclaimer: I can't promise anything regarding adding espeak. We are
>> >> running out of space so the ISO fits within 700MB on grml always...
>>
>> > If necessary for disk space reasons, I highly recommend dropping Flite
>> > in favor of eSpeak.
>>
>> Ok. When I'm removing libflite1, besides flite and eflite also
>> brltty-flite and speech-dispatcher will disappear. This would bring
>> me >15MB of disk space whereas espeak needs only 1200kB at total, so
>> definitely appreciated from my side.
>>
>> But I've to take a look at espeak and its configuration first of
>> all. Any help and feedback regarding espeak's configuration on grml
>> is highly welcome.
>>
>> -mika-
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Jonathan Duddington]

On 24 Mar, Nick Gawronski <nick@nickgawronski.com> wrote:
> Hi, flite sounds good but it would be nice if someone somewhere could
> put up some small wav files of what espeak sounds like so we can
> take a listen to it.

There's an example file on the eSpeak website,
 http://espeak.sourceforge.net/

although it's quite large (2 MByte):

Here's a direct link:
  http://espeak.sourceforge.net/samples/raven.ogg

Re: grml spelling issues

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, the synthisizer sounds good but I think flite is a little better and 
would work better on the live CD with speakup.  Having software speech on a 
live CD is very nice mainly when you are using linux at another computer 
then your own or showing it to someone else and don't want to drag around an 
external synthisizer.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathan Duddington" <jsd@clara.co.uk>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: grml spelling issues


> On 24 Mar, Nick Gawronski <nick@nickgawronski.com> wrote:
>> Hi, flite sounds good but it would be nice if someone somewhere could
>> put up some small wav files of what espeak sounds like so we can
>> take a listen to it.
>
> There's an example file on the eSpeak website,
> http://espeak.sourceforge.net/
>
> although it's quite large (2 MByte):
>
> Here's a direct link:
>  http://espeak.sourceforge.net/samples/raven.ogg
>
>
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Re: grml spelling issues

[Michael Prokop]

* Nick Gawronski <nick@nickgawronski.com> wrote:

> Hi, the synthisizer sounds good but I think flite is a little better and 
> would work better on the live CD with speakup.  Having software speech on a 
> live CD is very nice mainly when you are using linux at another computer 
> then your own or showing it to someone else and don't want to drag around an 
> external synthisizer.

ACK. It's very impressive what espeak can do with this small amount
of diskusage, but raven.ogg was another prove for me that eflite
might be the better choice for most people. Please correct me if I'm
wrong. :) As switching to espeak would mean additional work for me
too I'll leave it untouched for now unless someone can provide me a
better solution.

BTW: If anyone of you wants to test the current grml develrelease
featuring kernel 2.6.20 plus new swspeak setup (hopefully being more
useful for all of you) please contact me off the list. The current
develrelease is pretty close to grml 1.0 already and I'd like to
make sure you get a working speakup setup with the upcoming stable
release.

-mika-
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