this is a mime/iso test:

this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

please let me know if this configuration is correct?
Thanks!

Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
touching the internet
mailto:poehlman1@home.com
voice: 301.949.7599
http://members.home.com/poehlman1/

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[charles crawford]

Dave,

	1The configuration seems to work if the goal is to see text
without any other distractions.

-- charlie.On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> Thanks!
>
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> touching the internet
> mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> voice: 301.949.7599
> http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Janina Sajka]

David, 

You neglected to define success for us. I'm afraid we can't answer unless 
you tell us what success is.


On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> Thanks!
> 
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> touching the internet
> mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> voice: 301.949.7599
> http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

It has been said that I put windows rubbish in email.  I have reset my
configuration and was being complained at because I was sending out
uuencode.  I have changed this to mime and wanted to see if that broke
anything else.  From what I see below, It seems not to have.

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: "SPEAKUP Distribution List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


David,

You neglected to define success for us. I'm afraid we can't answer
unless
you tell us what success is.


On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> Thanks!
>
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> touching the internet
> mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> voice: 301.949.7599
> http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org


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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Janina Sajka]

Oh, that. That was last week--I forgot, sorry. Yes, your last message was 
very clean. This one is back to the different char set message thing.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> It has been said that I put windows rubbish in email.  I have reset my
> configuration and was being complained at because I was sending out
> uuencode.  I have changed this to mime and wanted to see if that broke
> anything else.  From what I see below, It seems not to have.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Cc: "SPEAKUP Distribution List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> You neglected to define success for us. I'm afraid we can't answer
> unless
> you tell us what success is.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> 
> > please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> > touching the internet
> > mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> > voice: 301.949.7599
> > http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

Now, that is quite strange.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


Oh, that. That was last week--I forgot, sorry. Yes, your last message
was
very clean. This one is back to the different char set message thing.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> It has been said that I put windows rubbish in email.  I have reset my
> configuration and was being complained at because I was sending out
> uuencode.  I have changed this to mime and wanted to see if that broke
> anything else.  From what I see below, It seems not to have.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Cc: "SPEAKUP Distribution List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
>
>
> David,
>
> You neglected to define success for us. I'm afraid we can't answer
> unless
> you tell us what success is.
>
>
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
>
> > please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> > touching the internet
> > mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> > voice: 301.949.7599
> > http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org


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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Janina Sajka]

Still has the charset data ... as follows:



From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>

    [ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
    [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set.  ]
    [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

Now, that is quite strange.


-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

If I set it back to uuencode, people complain that they cannot cope with
my attachments.  I have three choices under mime, none, base 64 and
quoted/printable.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


Still has the charset data ... as follows:



From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>

    [ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
    [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set.  ]
    [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

Now, that is quite strange.


--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org


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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, David. It looks fine to me. I am in pine today, and the message 
doesn't have any strange messages.
So I think you got it right.
 

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> Thanks!
> 
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> touching the internet
> mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> voice: 301.949.7599
> http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Thomas Ward]

Yeah, it is. Well, this message was giving the typical message about wrong 
 character set.
Your earlier message didn't. 
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> Now, that is quite strange.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
> 
> 
> Oh, that. That was last week--I forgot, sorry. Yes, your last message
> was
> very clean. This one is back to the different char set message thing.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> 
> > It has been said that I put windows rubbish in email.  I have reset my
> > configuration and was being complained at because I was sending out
> > uuencode.  I have changed this to mime and wanted to see if that broke
> > anything else.  From what I see below, It seems not to have.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Cc: "SPEAKUP Distribution List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
> >
> >
> > David,
> >
> > You neglected to define success for us. I'm afraid we can't answer
> > unless
> > you tell us what success is.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> > > please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> > > touching the internet
> > > mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> > > voice: 301.949.7599
> > > http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Thomas Ward]

Sounds like a typical Microsoft product. Have you ever thought about 
getting pine for Windows?
I think in the end getting something like that would make everyone happy. 
They could still use Windows, but be able to send text only messages in 
the proper mime types.


 On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:

> If I set it back to uuencode, people complain that they cannot cope with
> my attachments.  I have three choices under mime, none, base 64 and
> quoted/printable.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
> 
> 
> Still has the charset data ... as follows:
> 
> 
> 
> From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>
> 
>     [ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
>     [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set.  ]
>     [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]
> 
> Now, that is quite strange.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Charles Crawford]

Janina,

	I have not been seeing the char set message on Dave's messages for at 
least a week.

-- charlie.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Charles Crawford]

At 03:35 PM 02/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Sounds like a typical Microsoft product. Have you ever thought about
>getting pine for Windows?
>I think in the end getting something like that would make everyone happy.
>They could still use Windows, but be able to send text only messages in
>the proper mime types.

I say.

         I don't know if that would be a big help.  I don't think Windows 
displays messages like the old dos lin4 by line easy to read and navigate 
messages with hot keys.  Has anyone used pine for windows with speech and 
can you tell us how it works with speech?

-- Charlie Crawford.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Charles Hallenbeck]

The "wrong character set" stuff comes from choosing mime and not
having the right character set selected. The two solutions are:
do not choose mime (wrong!) or choose mime and also choose
iso8859-1 for the character set (right!)

The way to do that in Windows is pull down some menu and click on
something. The devil is in the details.

Chuck


On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Yeah, it is. Well, this message was giving the typical message about wrong
>  character set.
> Your earlier message didn't.
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
>
> > Now, that is quite strange.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
> >
> >
> > Oh, that. That was last week--I forgot, sorry. Yes, your last message
> > was
> > very clean. This one is back to the different char set message thing.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> >
> > > It has been said that I put windows rubbish in email.  I have reset my
> > > configuration and was being complained at because I was sending out
> > > uuencode.  I have changed this to mime and wanted to see if that broke
> > > anything else.  From what I see below, It seems not to have.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Cc: "SPEAKUP Distribution List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
> > >
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > You neglected to define success for us. I'm afraid we can't answer
> > > unless
> > > you tell us what success is.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> > >
> > > > please let me know if this configuration is correct?
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> > > > touching the internet
> > > > mailto:poehlman1@home.com
> > > > voice: 301.949.7599
> > > > http://members.home.com/poehlman1/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

pine for windows is not really a true gui app and thus it is more
trouble than it is worth.  Besides, I cannot get my pop server to accept
it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles Crawford" <CCrawford@ACB.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


At 03:35 PM 02/10/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Sounds like a typical Microsoft product. Have you ever thought about
>getting pine for Windows?
>I think in the end getting something like that would make everyone
happy.
>They could still use Windows, but be able to send text only messages in
>the proper mime types.

I say.

         I don't know if that would be a big help.  I don't think
Windows
displays messages like the old dos lin4 by line easy to read and
navigate
messages with hot keys.  Has anyone used pine for windows with speech
and
can you tell us how it works with speech?

-- Charlie Crawford.


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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Kirk Wood]

The setting that needs changed in "character set." David has been sending
with "Western (Windows)" and should choose "Western (ISO)". The encoding
method has nothing to do with it. The encoding scheme only affects how
attachments are handled.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

when I set to uuencode, the windows char set message does not appear in
people's messages from me.  when I set the charset to iso which is as
near as I can come that is iso western, and set the type to mime, the
charset message returns.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


The setting that needs changed in "character set." David has been
sending
with "Western (Windows)" and should choose "Western (ISO)". The encoding
method has nothing to do with it. The encoding scheme only affects how
attachments are handled.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.



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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Christopher A. Peterson]

I've tried pine for Windows.  O E is more friendly.

Btw, with mutt, I've not had trouble with any of his messages.  Why don't
you all who are using pine get a mailer that copes with char sets better.
That's basically what you're asking everyone who has O E to do.

Chris





On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 03:35:21PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a typical Microsoft product. Have you ever thought about 
> getting pine for Windows?
> I think in the end getting something like that would make everyone happy. 
> They could still use Windows, but be able to send text only messages in 
> the proper mime types.
> 
> 
>  On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> 
> > If I set it back to uuencode, people complain that they cannot cope with
> > my attachments.  I have three choices under mime, none, base 64 and
> > quoted/printable.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:
> > 
> > 
> > Still has the charset data ... as follows:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>
> > 
> >     [ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
> >     [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set.  ]
> >     [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]
> > 
> > Now, that is quite strange.
> > 
> > 
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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Kirk Wood]

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> when I set to uuencode, the windows char set message does not appear in
> people's messages from me.  when I set the charset to iso which is as
> near as I can come that is iso western, and set the type to mime, the
> charset message returns.

Your screen reader is mis-reading the drop down box where you select the
character set. Here is quite granular instructions.
Go to Tools, Options menu.
Go the the Send tab.
Go to the International Settings button.
Hit your up arrow key one time.
Go to the OK button and press it.
Go to the OK button and press it.

Notice that the setting you are looking for is not in the same place as
the setting for uuencode vs mime. I tested this before giving the advice
and it works.

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        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Kirk Wood]

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Christopher A. Peterson wrote:
> Btw, with mutt, I've not had trouble with any of his messages.  Why don't
> you all who are using pine get a mailer that copes with char sets better.
> That's basically what you're asking everyone who has O E to do.

Actually it would also be as easy as skipping the next two lines when you
hear something about the character set. There may be an option to suppress
the character set warning.

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        the next freeway exit.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

now it says I am on vietnamese.

does this make it go away?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote:
> when I set to uuencode, the windows char set message does not appear
in
> people's messages from me.  when I set the charset to iso which is as
> near as I can come that is iso western, and set the type to mime, the
> charset message returns.

Your screen reader is mis-reading the drop down box where you select the
character set. Here is quite granular instructions.
Go to Tools, Options menu.
Go the the Send tab.
Go to the International Settings button.
Hit your up arrow key one time.
Go to the OK button and press it.
Go to the OK button and press it.

Notice that the setting you are looking for is not in the same place as
the setting for uuencode vs mime. I tested this before giving the advice
and it works.

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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Rich Caloggero]

Here's what I do in outlook express:
1. open the tool\options dialog.
2. goto the send page of the dialog
3. tab till you hear a checkbox with label "Reply to messages in the form in
which they were sent", and uncheck it
4. tab once, and you should hear "international settings... button".
activate with space or enter.
5.  choose "western European (iso)" from the default encodings list and
press enter to OK the dialog
6. Here's where things get weird. tab once and you sheld be on a radio
button. The label is not constructed propperly so it might say something
about html radioButton, not check or it may simply read the checked portion
of the radio button. In any case, the label is "mail sending format" and you
should use your right and left arrow keys to select "text".
7. Tab till you hear "text settings" and activate. Note if you go too far,
you'll hear another radio button and then html and text settings again. This
is for the news sending format, so if you send usenet news, you should deal
with these in a simmilar way.
8. The text settings dialog allows you to choose encoding type (usually
mime), and also how you want to indent forwards or replies (set to none to
get rid of the ">" in your outgoing mail). If you choose mime, you'll get a
list of "text encodings" which contains "quoted printable", "none", or "base
64". Can anyone shed some light on this? I assume its how to encode binary
attachments -- how to turn binary data into a series of ascii characters
which can safely be put through the mail transport system without getting
mangled. What I don't know is exactly how quoted printable differs from
base-64. I've got mine set to none at the moment, but maybe quoted printable
is OK?


Anyway, hope this helps someone.

     Rich Caloggero


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 10 February, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


If I set it back to uuencode, people complain that they cannot cope with
my attachments.  I have three choices under mime, none, base 64 and
quoted/printable.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


Still has the charset data ... as follows:



From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>

    [ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
    [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set.  ]
    [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

Now, that is quite strange.


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Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

my settings are identical.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc@MIT.EDU>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


Here's what I do in outlook express:
1. open the tool\options dialog.
2. goto the send page of the dialog
3. tab till you hear a checkbox with label "Reply to messages in the
form in
which they were sent", and uncheck it
4. tab once, and you should hear "international settings... button".
activate with space or enter.
5.  choose "western European (iso)" from the default encodings list and
press enter to OK the dialog
6. Here's where things get weird. tab once and you sheld be on a radio
button. The label is not constructed propperly so it might say something
about html radioButton, not check or it may simply read the checked
portion
of the radio button. In any case, the label is "mail sending format" and
you
should use your right and left arrow keys to select "text".
7. Tab till you hear "text settings" and activate. Note if you go too
far,
you'll hear another radio button and then html and text settings again.
This
is for the news sending format, so if you send usenet news, you should
deal
with these in a simmilar way.
8. The text settings dialog allows you to choose encoding type (usually
mime), and also how you want to indent forwards or replies (set to none
to
get rid of the ">" in your outgoing mail). If you choose mime, you'll
get a
list of "text encodings" which contains "quoted printable", "none", or
"base
64". Can anyone shed some light on this? I assume its how to encode
binary
attachments -- how to turn binary data into a series of ascii characters
which can safely be put through the mail transport system without
getting
mangled. What I don't know is exactly how quoted printable differs from
base-64. I've got mine set to none at the moment, but maybe quoted
printable
is OK?


Anyway, hope this helps someone.

     Rich Caloggero


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 10 February, 2002 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


If I set it back to uuencode, people complain that they cannot cope with
my attachments.  I have three choices under mime, none, base 64 and
quoted/printable.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


Still has the charset data ... as follows:



From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@home.com>

    [ The following text is in the "Windows-1252" character set. ]
    [ Your display is set for the "iso-8859-1" character set.  ]
    [ Some characters may be displayed incorrectly. ]

Now, that is quite strange.


--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org


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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

I've set it to none.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:


When faced with text encoding schemes the best thing is to choose
none. This will set it so that text that is considered "embeded" in the
message will not be encoded but rather sent as the text it is. Otherwise
you will sometimes get text that is then converted to something besides
clean ascii. This may be the couse of David's problems.

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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Kirk Wood]

When faced with text encoding schemes the best thing is to choose
none. This will set it so that text that is considered "embeded" in the
message will not be encoded but rather sent as the text it is. Otherwise
you will sometimes get text that is then converted to something besides
clean ascii. This may be the couse of David's problems.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Pete]

  
  Whear does pine for windows live?  


Sounds like a typical Microsoft product. Have you ever thought about 
getting pine for Windows?
I think in the end getting something like that would make everyone happy. 
They could still use Windows, but be able to send text only messages in 
the proper mime types.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Pete]

  In tools, options, send-tab international button I have a combo box set to
western european iso and there is a check box for use english headers it is
checked and the only other two things left in there are an OK button and
cansle button.
How are my messages coming threw?
  Pete


When faced with text encoding schemes the best thing is to choose
none. This will set it so that text that is considered "embeded" in the
message will not be encoded but rather sent as the text it is. Otherwise
you will sometimes get text that is then converted to something besides
clean ascii. This may be the couse of David's problems.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

he made a slight error.  click ok there and then go to test settings.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete" <persuric@ameritech.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:



  In tools, options, send-tab international button I have a combo box
set to
western european iso and there is a check box for use english headers it
is
checked and the only other two things left in there are an OK button and
cansle button.
How are my messages coming threw?
  Pete


When faced with text encoding schemes the best thing is to choose
none. This will set it so that text that is considered "embeded" in the
message will not be encoded but rather sent as the text it is. Otherwise
you will sometimes get text that is then converted to something besides
clean ascii. This may be the couse of David's problems.



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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Pete]

  OK, In plane text combo box set to mime and encodeing is none unchecked is
the next tab I think it was some thing about use 8 bit headers or some thing
like that.
Pete


he made a slight error.  click ok there and then go to test settings.

Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[Steve Holmes]

Your messages look fine to me while using pine for linux.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Pete wrote:

>
>   In tools, options, send-tab international button I have a combo box set to
> western european iso and there is a check box for use english headers it is
> checked and the only other two things left in there are an OK button and
> cansle button.
> How are my messages coming threw?
>   Pete
>
>
> When faced with text encoding schemes the best thing is to choose
> none. This will set it so that text that is considered "embeded" in the
> message will not be encoded but rather sent as the text it is. Otherwise
> you will sometimes get text that is then converted to something besides
> clean ascii. This may be the couse of David's problems.
>
>
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Re: this is a mime/iso test:

[David Poehlman]

right and that is unchecked.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete" <persuric@ameritech.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: this is a mime/iso test:



  OK, In plane text combo box set to mime and encodeing is none
unchecked is
the next tab I think it was some thing about use 8 bit headers or some
thing
like that.
Pete


he made a slight error.  click ok there and then go to test settings.




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