* RE: FAQ @ Holmes, Steve ` FAQ Ann Parsons ` FAQ Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Holmes, Steve @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS sessions. Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS. -----Original Message----- From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: RE: FAQ Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that Win-Eyes does, though. On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote: > Ann' > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP. To use it, > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option. > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS" where > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to. Here, I would > put an example of the speakup ftp site. > > HTH > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: Re: FAQ > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > <smile> Thanks for the headsup. I'm going to write in the FAQ that > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you > > use it, check the settings first. > > > > Ann P. > > > > -- > > Ann K. Parsons > > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are > > lost." JRRT > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* RE: FAQ FAQ Holmes, Steve @ ` Ann Parsons ` FAQ Gregory Nowak ` FAQ Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, <smile> Naw, you don't *have* to have Vocal-Eyes, I use ASAP and it works fine. What you do need is a good DOS screen reader. Jaws is free now, so is Flipper. Dunnow about ASAP. One caveat I always give to poor newbies who tell me that they've got some so-called technical expert for the blind to install their Windows systems, if the person installing Windows tells you that they are going to remove your DOS screen reader, kill them on the spot! Do not pass go, do not collect $200. If they say they will leave it alone before the knife falls, fine. If they refuse, continue and get another techie. Making a DOS user go to Windows cold turkey is cruel and inhuman treatment. Better yet, go to Gnu/Linux. <grinning> Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Ann Parsons @ ` Gregory Nowak ` (OT): FAQ Buddy Brannan ` FAQ Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup So is Chuck's provox7. Thanks a bunch Chuck. Greg On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:56:03PM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote: > Hi all, > > <smile> Naw, you don't *have* to have Vocal-Eyes, I use ASAP and it > works fine. What you do need is a good DOS screen reader. Jaws is > free now, so is Flipper. Dunnow about ASAP. > > One caveat I always give to poor newbies who tell me that they've got > some so-called technical expert for the blind to install their Windows > systems, if the person installing Windows tells you that they are > going to remove your DOS screen reader, kill them on the spot! Do not > pass go, do not collect $200. If they say they will leave it alone > before the knife falls, fine. If they refuse, continue and get > another techie. > > Making a DOS user go to Windows cold turkey is cruel and inhuman > treatment. Better yet, go to Gnu/Linux. > > <grinning> > Ann P. > > -- > Ann K. Parsons > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: (OT): FAQ ` FAQ Gregory Nowak @ ` Buddy Brannan ` Janina Sajka ` Ann Parsons 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup So does anyone actually know where Flipper can be had from? I have version 4.something around here somewhere, and I saw a 5.0 a long long time ago...not a bad screen reader, really. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | History is made by stupid people. Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try. Phone: (972) 276-6360 | If you want a place in the history books ICQ: 36621210 | Then do something dumb before you die. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: (OT): FAQ ` (OT): FAQ Buddy Brannan @ ` Janina Sajka ` Ann Parsons 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Are you sure? I seem to recall Flipper stopped at 4. On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Buddy Brannan wrote: > So does anyone actually know where Flipper can be had from? > > I have version 4.something around here somewhere, and I saw a 5.0 a > long long time ago...not a bad screen reader, really. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: (OT): FAQ ` (OT): FAQ Buddy Brannan ` Janina Sajka @ ` Ann Parsons 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, Yeh, Buddy, I have a copy of Flipper 5.0 that I got from Rick Hayner. He said they told him to just distribute it. You want it, it's yours. I'll zip it up and send it to you. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* RE: FAQ ` FAQ Ann Parsons ` FAQ Gregory Nowak @ ` Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup you can still get a shareware version of asap. http://www.microtalk.com Shaun.. "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going to discuss it with our staff." EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on www.jong.com:6667 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote: > Hi all, > > <smile> Naw, you don't *have* to have Vocal-Eyes, I use ASAP and it > works fine. What you do need is a good DOS screen reader. Jaws is > free now, so is Flipper. Dunnow about ASAP. > > One caveat I always give to poor newbies who tell me that they've got > some so-called technical expert for the blind to install their Windows > systems, if the person installing Windows tells you that they are > going to remove your DOS screen reader, kill them on the spot! Do not > pass go, do not collect $200. If they say they will leave it alone > before the knife falls, fine. If they refuse, continue and get > another techie. > > Making a DOS user go to Windows cold turkey is cruel and inhuman > treatment. Better yet, go to Gnu/Linux. > > <grinning> > Ann P. > > -- > Ann K. Parsons > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* RE: FAQ FAQ Holmes, Steve ` FAQ Ann Parsons @ ` Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Raul A. Gallegos ` FAQ Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was pretty shitty under windows anyhow. forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to jaws. and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either. Shaun.. "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going to discuss it with our staff." EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on www.jong.com:6667 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote: > If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS > sessions. Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net] > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: RE: FAQ > > > Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a > pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW > covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that > Win-Eyes does, though. > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote: > > > Ann' > > > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP. To use > it, > > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option. > > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS" > where > > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to. Here, I would > > put an example of the speakup ftp site. > > > > HTH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons > > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: Re: FAQ > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > <smile> Thanks for the headsup. I'm going to write in the FAQ that > > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you > > > use it, check the settings first. > > > > > > Ann P. > > > > > > -- > > > Ann K. Parsons > > > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > > > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > > > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are > > > lost." JRRT > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* RE: FAQ ` FAQ Shaun Oliver @ ` Raul A. Gallegos ` FAQ Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Raul A. Gallegos @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' Hi. I don't want to start a screen reader war here on what is best and what is shitty. What works for some may not work for others. I happen to respectfully disagree about window-eyes not being usable without set files. In my job when I do have to use windows I've found that some proppriatary software will speak much better when using window-eyes rather than jfw. Also, if jfw didn't include a lot of its scripts for it's many applications it would not talk very nicely by itself. When it comes down to it. Whether you use emacspeak or speakup for Linux or whether you use window-eyes or jfw for windows everyone has their personal tastes and preferences as well as personal experience which may lead one toward one product or another. At least we can agree on the fact that Linux is much better than Windows so regardless of whether we prefer jfw or window-eyes on the windows side at least we agree that speakup is awesome on the linux side. *smile* PS: Please don't take what I said personally, I'm just showing the other side of the coin. On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Shaun Oliver wrote: > from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was > pretty shitty under windows anyhow. > forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written > for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of > course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to > jaws. > and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that > doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Raul A. Gallegos @ ` Gregory Nowak ` FAQ Victor Tsaran ` FAQ Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I might disagree with that. I had a chance to try out both wineyes and jfw for as long as I wanted and I could've done anything I wanted on the machine. After about 30 minutes with jfw, I walked away from the system running it in disgust, and said that it was shitty, politly of course. I then used wineyes for 2 hours, and found that for the most part I loved it. I of course chose to buy it as my windows screenreader afterwords. Greg On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:13PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was > pretty shitty under windows anyhow. > forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written > for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of > course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to > jaws. > and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that > doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either. > > > Shaun.. > "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going > to discuss it with our staff." > EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 > YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on > www.jong.com:6667 > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote: > > > If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS > > sessions. Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net] > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: RE: FAQ > > > > > > Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a > > pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW > > covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that > > Win-Eyes does, though. > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote: > > > > > Ann' > > > > > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP. To use > > it, > > > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option. > > > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS" > > where > > > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to. Here, I would > > > put an example of the speakup ftp site. > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons > > > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > Subject: Re: FAQ > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > <smile> Thanks for the headsup. I'm going to write in the FAQ that > > > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you > > > > use it, check the settings first. > > > > > > > > Ann P. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ann K. Parsons > > > > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > > > > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > > > > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are > > > > lost." JRRT > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Gregory Nowak @ ` Victor Tsaran ` FAQ Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Victor Tsaran @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I am actually looking for someone to whom I could sell my copy of Window-eyes! And this is after three years of of using this product. Best, Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: FAQ > I might disagree with that. > I had a chance to try out both wineyes > and jfw for as long as I wanted and I could've > done anything I wanted on the machine. > After about 30 minutes with jfw, > I walked away from the system running it > in disgust, and said that it > was shitty, politly of course. > I then used wineyes for 2 hours, and found that > for the most part I loved it. > I of course chose to buy it as my > windows screenreader afterwords. > Greg > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:13PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > > from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was > > pretty shitty under windows anyhow. > > forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written > > for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of > > course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to > > jaws. > > and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that > > doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either. > > > > > > Shaun.. > > "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going > > to discuss it with our staff." > > EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 > > YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on > > www.jong.com:6667 > > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote: > > > > > If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS > > > sessions. Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net] > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: RE: FAQ > > > > > > > > > Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a > > > pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW > > > covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that > > > Win-Eyes does, though. > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote: > > > > > > > Ann' > > > > > > > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP. To use > > > it, > > > > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option. > > > > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS" > > > where > > > > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to. Here, I would > > > > put an example of the speakup ftp site. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons > > > > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM > > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > Subject: Re: FAQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > <smile> Thanks for the headsup. I'm going to write in the FAQ that > > > > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you > > > > > use it, check the settings first. > > > > > > > > > > Ann P. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ann K. Parsons > > > > > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > > > > > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > > > > > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are > > > > > lost." JRRT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Gregory Nowak ` FAQ Victor Tsaran @ ` Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Ann Parsons ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup can I throw a spanner in the works at this point? have any of you tryed to use the beta version of asaw98? I did with a few problems but from what I saw, jfw and wineyes both looked somewhat more cumbersom to use. I agree that it's a matter of preference as to what screen reader you use, and the only reason I use jfw, is because it's what I know. it's what I learned to use. Shaun.. "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going to discuss it with our staff." EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on www.jong.com:6667 On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote: > I might disagree with that. > I had a chance to try out both wineyes > and jfw for as long as I wanted and I could've > done anything I wanted on the machine. > After about 30 minutes with jfw, > I walked away from the system running it > in disgust, and said that it > was shitty, politly of course. > I then used wineyes for 2 hours, and found that > for the most part I loved it. > I of course chose to buy it as my > windows screenreader afterwords. > Greg > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:13PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > > from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was > > pretty shitty under windows anyhow. > > forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written > > for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of > > course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to > > jaws. > > and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that > > doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either. > > > > > > Shaun.. > > "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going > > to discuss it with our staff." > > EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 > > YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on > > www.jong.com:6667 > > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote: > > > > > If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS > > > sessions. Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net] > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: RE: FAQ > > > > > > > > > Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a > > > pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW > > > covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that > > > Win-Eyes does, though. > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote: > > > > > > > Ann' > > > > > > > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP. To use > > > it, > > > > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option. > > > > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS" > > > where > > > > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to. Here, I would > > > > put an example of the speakup ftp site. > > > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons > > > > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM > > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > Subject: Re: FAQ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > <smile> Thanks for the headsup. I'm going to write in the FAQ that > > > > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you > > > > > use it, check the settings first. > > > > > > > > > > Ann P. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ann K. Parsons > > > > > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > > > > > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > > > > > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are > > > > > lost." JRRT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Shaun Oliver @ ` Ann Parsons ` FAQ Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Dan Murphy ` FAQ Buddy Brannan 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, <smile> Sean, Sean, do not, I pray thee, Laddy, get me started on ASAW! It was a great program, but had to be modified significantly. Larry Schutchan didn't have enough programmers to keep current. It was a shame because ASAW was a damned good product when it first came out. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Ann Parsons @ ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I agree with u hehehe. Shaun.. "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going to discuss it with our staff." EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on www.jong.com:6667 On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote: > Hi all, > > <smile> Sean, Sean, do not, I pray thee, Laddy, get me started on > ASAW! It was a great program, but had to be modified significantly. > Larry Schutchan didn't have enough programmers to keep current. It > was a shame because ASAW was a damned good product when it first came > out. > > Ann P. > > -- > Ann K. Parsons > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Ann Parsons @ ` Dan Murphy ` FAQ Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Ann Parsons ` FAQ Buddy Brannan 2 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Dan Murphy @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Actually I found constant and continuous lockups with the asaw98 Beta so I stopped using it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Dan Murphy @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Screen readers for Windows... was: FAQ Victor Tsaran ` FAQ Ann Parsons 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup so did I. there was some problem with asaw98 causing it to cause page faults under windows and I hate doing stack dumps. Shaun.. "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going to discuss it with our staff." EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on www.jong.com:6667 On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Dan Murphy wrote: > Actually I found constant and continuous lockups with the asaw98 Beta so I > stopped using it. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Screen readers for Windows... was: Re: FAQ ` FAQ Shaun Oliver @ ` Victor Tsaran 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Victor Tsaran @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Guys, let's take the discussion under adifferent header. Imagine someone searching archives for the subject "FAQ". What would they see? Best, Victor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <shauno@goanna.net.au> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Re: FAQ > so did I. > there was some problem with asaw98 causing it to cause page faults under > windows and I hate doing stack dumps. > > > Shaun.. > "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going > to discuss it with our staff." > EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 > YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on > www.jong.com:6667 > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Dan Murphy wrote: > > > Actually I found constant and continuous lockups with the asaw98 Beta so I > > stopped using it. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Dan Murphy ` FAQ Shaun Oliver @ ` Ann Parsons ` FAQ Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, <nodding vigorously> That isn't or wasn't ASAW's fault, that, my dear friend is the fault of Windblows OS, especially win95. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Ann Parsons @ ` Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Kirk Wood 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I agree with that also. windows9x don't use dynamic memory allocation. this means that the stack is prone to becoming fragmented. and that is why windblows9x falles over more often than it's nt counterpart. all breeds of unix and windows nt/2000 all use dynamic memory allocation so as to give us the advantage of longer uptime. and a less fragmented stack, thus fewer crashes or lockups. Shaun.. "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going to discuss it with our staff." EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on www.jong.com:6667 On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote: > Hi all, > > <nodding vigorously> That isn't or wasn't ASAW's fault, that, my dear > friend is the fault of Windblows OS, especially win95. > > Ann P. > > -- > Ann K. Parsons > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Shaun Oliver @ ` Kirk Wood 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Shaun Oliver wrote: > I agree with that also. windows9x don't use dynamic memory > allocation. this means that the stack is prone to becoming fragmented. and > that is why windblows9x falles over more often than it's nt counterpart. > all breeds of unix and windows nt/2000 all use dynamic memory allocation > so as to give us the advantage of longer uptime. and a less fragmented > stack, thus fewer crashes or lockups. Actually this gets more blame then is reality. The simple fact is that the memory fragmentation is not a large factor. What is a major factor is that all Win9x versions (including ME) include a large sum of code from win3x. This code is included for either of two reasons. The first was speed and the second was backward compatibility. The later is te main reason for 3x code appearing in ME. The fact is that 95 had about a third of its code written in 16 bit code. This was for compatibity and speed. When they released 98, the share dropped to about 25%. All indications were that ME would retain a good chunk of the 16 bit code though it would be re-written. In all of the versions of winblows not in the NT line programs could communicate through shared memory. This set the system up for memory leaks. As if a program allocated memory then failed to release said memory it was out of service until the next reboot. This was done because there was no way to know what memory was being shared and the OS recovering the memory lead to spectacular crashes. WinNT took a different approach to this. In the ealy versions of NT, the memory was duplicated to different programs. This worked fine as long as you didn't run too many 16 bit programs. Then in version 4, they decided to put all 16 bit programs into seperate memory space. This gave good performance and yet protected all but other 16 bit programs from their memory overwriting ways. I know this is more then most want to know. But if you are going to talk about the failings of a company bent on domination at least get it right. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Shaun Oliver ` FAQ Ann Parsons ` FAQ Dan Murphy @ ` Buddy Brannan ` FAQ Shaun Oliver 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Here's the obligatory dissenting opinion: Window Bridge! When I'm forced to use Windows, I don't use anything else. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | History is made by stupid people. Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try. Phone: (972) 276-6360 | If you want a place in the history books ICQ: 36621210 | Then do something dumb before you die. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: FAQ ` FAQ Buddy Brannan @ ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup omg. that was the first windblows screen reader I ever used. Shaun.. "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going to discuss it with our staff." EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435 YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on www.jong.com:6667 On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Buddy Brannan wrote: > Here's the obligatory dissenting opinion: > > Window Bridge! > > When I'm forced to use Windows, I don't use anything else. > -- > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | History is made by stupid people. > Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try. > Phone: (972) 276-6360 | If you want a place in the history books > ICQ: 36621210 | Then do something dumb before you die. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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