RE: FAQ

RE: FAQ

[Holmes, Steve]

If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS
sessions.  Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: FAQ


Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a
pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW
covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that
Win-Eyes does, though.
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote:

> Ann'
>
> In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP.  To use
it,
> from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option.
> Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS"
where
> "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to.  Here, I would
> put an example of the speakup ftp site.
>
> HTH
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
> > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: FAQ
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > <smile>  Thanks for the headsup.  I'm going to write in the FAQ that
> > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you
> > use it, check the settings first.
> >
> > Ann P.
> >
> > --
> > 			Ann K. Parsons
> > email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
> > lost."  JRRT
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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RE: FAQ

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smile>  Naw, you don't *have* to have Vocal-Eyes, I use ASAP and it
works fine.  What you do need is a good DOS screen reader.  Jaws is
free now, so is Flipper.  Dunnow about ASAP.  

One caveat I always give to poor newbies who tell me that they've got
some so-called technical expert for the blind to install their Windows
systems, if the person installing Windows tells you that they are
going to remove your DOS screen reader, kill them on the spot!  Do not
pass go, do not collect $200.  If they say they will leave it alone
before the knife falls, fine.  If they refuse, continue and get
another techie.  

Making a DOS user go to Windows cold turkey is cruel and inhuman
treatment.  Better yet, go to Gnu/Linux.

<grinning>
Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ

[Gregory Nowak]

So is Chuck's provox7.
Thanks a bunch Chuck.
Greg


On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:56:03PM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> <smile>  Naw, you don't *have* to have Vocal-Eyes, I use ASAP and it
> works fine.  What you do need is a good DOS screen reader.  Jaws is
> free now, so is Flipper.  Dunnow about ASAP.  
> 
> One caveat I always give to poor newbies who tell me that they've got
> some so-called technical expert for the blind to install their Windows
> systems, if the person installing Windows tells you that they are
> going to remove your DOS screen reader, kill them on the spot!  Do not
> pass go, do not collect $200.  If they say they will leave it alone
> before the knife falls, fine.  If they refuse, continue and get
> another techie.  
> 
> Making a DOS user go to Windows cold turkey is cruel and inhuman
> treatment.  Better yet, go to Gnu/Linux.
> 
> <grinning>
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: (OT): FAQ

[Buddy Brannan]

So does anyone actually know where Flipper can be had from?

I have version 4.something around here somewhere, and I saw a 5.0 a
long long time ago...not a bad screen reader, really.
-- 
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Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | If you want a place in the history books
ICQ: 36621210            | Then do something dumb before you die.

Re: (OT): FAQ

[Janina Sajka]

Are you sure? I seem to recall Flipper stopped at 4.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> So does anyone actually know where Flipper can be had from?
>
> I have version 4.something around here somewhere, and I saw a 5.0 a
> long long time ago...not a bad screen reader, really.
>

Re: (OT): FAQ

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Yeh, Buddy, I have a copy of Flipper 5.0 that I got from Rick Hayner.
He said they told him to just distribute it.  You want it, it's
yours.  I'll zip it up and send it to you.

Ann P.

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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

RE: FAQ

[Shaun Oliver]

from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was
pretty shitty under windows anyhow.
forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written
for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of
course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to
jaws.
and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that
doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either.


Shaun..
"We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
www.jong.com:6667

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:

> If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS
> sessions.  Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: FAQ
> 
> 
> Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a
> pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW
> covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that
> Win-Eyes does, though.
>  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote:
> 
> > Ann'
> >
> > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP.  To use
> it,
> > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option.
> > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS"
> where
> > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to.  Here, I would
> > put an example of the speakup ftp site.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
> > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: FAQ
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > <smile>  Thanks for the headsup.  I'm going to write in the FAQ that
> > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you
> > > use it, check the settings first.
> > >
> > > Ann P.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 			Ann K. Parsons
> > > email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
> > > lost."  JRRT
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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RE: FAQ

[Shaun Oliver]

you can still get a shareware version of asap.
http://www.microtalk.com


Shaun..
"We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
www.jong.com:6667

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> <smile>  Naw, you don't *have* to have Vocal-Eyes, I use ASAP and it
> works fine.  What you do need is a good DOS screen reader.  Jaws is
> free now, so is Flipper.  Dunnow about ASAP.  
> 
> One caveat I always give to poor newbies who tell me that they've got
> some so-called technical expert for the blind to install their Windows
> systems, if the person installing Windows tells you that they are
> going to remove your DOS screen reader, kill them on the spot!  Do not
> pass go, do not collect $200.  If they say they will leave it alone
> before the knife falls, fine.  If they refuse, continue and get
> another techie.  
> 
> Making a DOS user go to Windows cold turkey is cruel and inhuman
> treatment.  Better yet, go to Gnu/Linux.
> 
> <grinning>
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

RE: FAQ

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi.  I don't want to start a screen reader war here on what is best and
what is shitty.  What works for some may not work for others.  I happen to
respectfully disagree about window-eyes not being usable without set
files.  In my job when I do have to use windows I've found that some
proppriatary software will speak much better when using window-eyes rather
than jfw.  Also, if jfw didn't include a lot of its scripts for it's many
applications it would not talk very nicely by itself.  When it comes down
to it.  Whether you use emacspeak or speakup for Linux or whether you use
window-eyes or jfw for windows everyone has their personal tastes and
preferences as well as personal experience which may lead one toward one
product or another.  At least we can agree on the fact that Linux is much
better than Windows so regardless of whether we prefer jfw or window-eyes
on the windows side at least we agree that speakup is awesome on the linux
side.  *smile*

PS:  Please don't take what I said personally, I'm just showing the other
side of the coin.

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was
> pretty shitty under windows anyhow.
> forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written
> for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of
> course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to
> jaws.
> and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that
> doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either.
>

Re: FAQ

[Gregory Nowak]

I might disagree with that.
I had a chance to try out both wineyes
and jfw for as long as I wanted and I could've
done anything I wanted on the machine.
After about 30 minutes with jfw,
I walked away from the system running it 
in disgust, and said that it 
was shitty, politly of course.
I then used wineyes for 2 hours, and found that
for the most part I loved it.
I of course chose to buy it as my
windows screenreader afterwords.
Greg


On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:13PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was
> pretty shitty under windows anyhow.
> forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written
> for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of
> course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to
> jaws.
> and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that
> doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either.
> 
> 
> Shaun..
> "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
> to discuss it with our staff."
> EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
> YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
> www.jong.com:6667
> 
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:
> 
> > If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS
> > sessions.  Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: FAQ
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a
> > pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW
> > covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that
> > Win-Eyes does, though.
> >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote:
> > 
> > > Ann'
> > >
> > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP.  To use
> > it,
> > > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option.
> > > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS"
> > where
> > > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to.  Here, I would
> > > put an example of the speakup ftp site.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
> > > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: FAQ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > <smile>  Thanks for the headsup.  I'm going to write in the FAQ that
> > > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you
> > > > use it, check the settings first.
> > > >
> > > > Ann P.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > 			Ann K. Parsons
> > > > email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
> > > > lost."  JRRT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
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Re: FAQ

[Victor Tsaran]

I am actually looking for someone to whom I could sell my copy of
Window-eyes! And this is after three years of of using this product.
Best,
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: FAQ


> I might disagree with that.
> I had a chance to try out both wineyes
> and jfw for as long as I wanted and I could've
> done anything I wanted on the machine.
> After about 30 minutes with jfw,
> I walked away from the system running it
> in disgust, and said that it
> was shitty, politly of course.
> I then used wineyes for 2 hours, and found that
> for the most part I loved it.
> I of course chose to buy it as my
> windows screenreader afterwords.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:13PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was
> > pretty shitty under windows anyhow.
> > forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file
written
> > for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of
> > course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known
to
> > jaws.
> > and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that
> > doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either.
> >
> >
> > Shaun..
> > "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not
going
> > to discuss it with our staff."
> > EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
> > YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends
on
> > www.jong.com:6667
> >
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:
> >
> > > If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the
DOS
> > > sessions.  Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: FAQ
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe
is a
> > > pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows.
JFW
> > > covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure
that
> > > Win-Eyes does, though.
> > >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ann'
> > > >
> > > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP.  To
use
> > > it,
> > > > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run
option.
> > > > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp
FTP_ADDRESS"
> > > where
> > > > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to.  Here, I
would
> > > > put an example of the speakup ftp site.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
> > > > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM
> > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > Subject: Re: FAQ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > <smile>  Thanks for the headsup.  I'm going to write in the FAQ
that
> > > > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if
you
> > > > > use it, check the settings first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ann P.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
> > > > > lost."  JRRT
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
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> > >
> >
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Re: FAQ

[Shaun Oliver]

can I throw a spanner in the works at this point?
have any of you tryed to use the beta version of asaw98?
I did with a few problems but from what I saw, jfw and wineyes both looked
somewhat more cumbersom to use.
I agree that it's a matter of preference as to what screen reader you use,
and the only reason I use jfw, is because it's what I know. it's what I
learned to use.


Shaun..
"We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
www.jong.com:6667

On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> I might disagree with that.
> I had a chance to try out both wineyes
> and jfw for as long as I wanted and I could've
> done anything I wanted on the machine.
> After about 30 minutes with jfw,
> I walked away from the system running it 
> in disgust, and said that it 
> was shitty, politly of course.
> I then used wineyes for 2 hours, and found that
> for the most part I loved it.
> I of course chose to buy it as my
> windows screenreader afterwords.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:04:13PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > from my unhappy memories of using/testing windoweyes, I found it was
> > pretty shitty under windows anyhow.
> > forget about reading any application that doesn't have a set file written
> > for it. At least with jfw, you can find your way around depending of
> > course the app you're trying to use uses window classes that are known to
> > jaws.
> > and given that people code in delfi or some other damned language that
> > doesn't use known window classes, that's not always possible either.
> > 
> > 
> > Shaun..
> > "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
> > to discuss it with our staff."
> > EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
> > YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
> > www.jong.com:6667
> > 
> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:
> > 
> > > If you use the GW Micro products, you need to use Vocal-Eyes to do the DOS
> > > sessions.  Window-Eyes doesn't do DOS.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:26 AM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: FAQ
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, but you need a DOS screen reader because the c:\windows\ftp.exe is a
> > > pc console application--yes there is such a designation in Windows. JFW
> > > covers this to sufficient degree to make it usable with ftp. Not sure that
> > > Win-Eyes does, though.
> > >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ann'
> > > >
> > > > In the past, I had no problems using the Windows version of FTP.  To use
> > > it,
> > > > from the start menu, use the up and down arrows to find the run option.
> > > > Press enter, and in the resulting dialog box, enter "ftp FTP_ADDRESS"
> > > where
> > > > "FTP_ADDRESS" is the ftp site you are trying to connect to.  Here, I would
> > > > put an example of the speakup ftp site.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
> > > > > Sent: 2001 June 16 5:47 AM
> > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > Subject: Re: FAQ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > <smile>  Thanks for the headsup.  I'm going to write in the FAQ that
> > > > > we do not recommend using MSIE for downloading these files, but if you
> > > > > use it, check the settings first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ann P.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > 			Ann K. Parsons
> > > > > email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
> > > > > lost."  JRRT
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: FAQ

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smile>  Sean, Sean, do not, I pray thee, Laddy, get me started on
ASAW!  It was a great program, but had to be modified significantly.
Larry Schutchan didn't have enough programmers to keep current.  It
was a shame because ASAW was a damned good product when it first came
out.

Ann P.
 
-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ

[Dan Murphy]

Actually I found constant and continuous lockups with the asaw98 Beta so I
stopped using it.

Re: FAQ

[Shaun Oliver]

I agree with u hehehe.


Shaun..
"We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
www.jong.com:6667

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> <smile>  Sean, Sean, do not, I pray thee, Laddy, get me started on
> ASAW!  It was a great program, but had to be modified significantly.
> Larry Schutchan didn't have enough programmers to keep current.  It
> was a shame because ASAW was a damned good product when it first came
> out.
> 
> Ann P.
>  
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: FAQ

[Shaun Oliver]

so did I.
there was some problem with asaw98 causing it to cause page faults under
windows and I hate doing stack dumps.


Shaun..
"We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
www.jong.com:6667

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Dan Murphy wrote:

> Actually I found constant and continuous lockups with the asaw98 Beta so I
> stopped using it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: FAQ

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<nodding vigorously>  That isn't or wasn't ASAW's fault, that, my dear
friend is the fault of Windblows OS, especially win95.  

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: FAQ

[Buddy Brannan]

Here's the obligatory dissenting opinion:

Window Bridge!

When I'm forced to use Windows, I don't use anything else.
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | History is made by stupid people.
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | If you want a place in the history books
ICQ: 36621210            | Then do something dumb before you die.

Screen readers for Windows... was: Re: FAQ

[Victor Tsaran]

Guys, let's take the discussion under adifferent header. Imagine someone
searching archives for the subject "FAQ". What would they see?
Best,
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shauno@goanna.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: FAQ


> so did I.
> there was some problem with asaw98 causing it to cause page faults under
> windows and I hate doing stack dumps.
>
>
> Shaun..
> "We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
> to discuss it with our staff."
> EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
> YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
> www.jong.com:6667
>
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Dan Murphy wrote:
>
> > Actually I found constant and continuous lockups with the asaw98 Beta so
I
> > stopped using it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: FAQ

[Shaun Oliver]

I agree with that also. windows9x don't use dynamic memory
allocation. this means that the stack is prone to becoming fragmented. and
that is why windblows9x falles over more often than it's nt counterpart.
all breeds of unix and windows nt/2000 all use dynamic memory allocation
so as to give us the advantage of longer uptime. and a less fragmented
stack, thus fewer crashes or lockups.


Shaun..
"We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
www.jong.com:6667

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> <nodding vigorously>  That isn't or wasn't ASAW's fault, that, my dear
> friend is the fault of Windblows OS, especially win95.  
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: FAQ

[Shaun Oliver]

omg. that was the first windblows screen reader I ever used.


Shaun..
"We realise we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
EMAIL: shauno@goanna.net.au ICQ: 76958435
YAHOO ID: blindman01_2000 IRC NICK/SERVER: |3|1ndm4n on #aussiefriends on
www.jong.com:6667

On Wed, 20 Jun 2001, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Here's the obligatory dissenting opinion:
> 
> Window Bridge!
> 
> When I'm forced to use Windows, I don't use anything else.
> -- 
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | History is made by stupid people.
> Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try.
> Phone: (972) 276-6360    | If you want a place in the history books
> ICQ: 36621210            | Then do something dumb before you die.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: FAQ

[Kirk Wood]

On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> I agree with that also. windows9x don't use dynamic memory
> allocation. this means that the stack is prone to becoming fragmented. and
> that is why windblows9x falles over more often than it's nt counterpart.
> all breeds of unix and windows nt/2000 all use dynamic memory allocation
> so as to give us the advantage of longer uptime. and a less fragmented
> stack, thus fewer crashes or lockups.

Actually this gets more blame then is reality. The simple fact is that the
memory fragmentation is not a large factor. What is a major factor is that
all Win9x versions (including ME) include a large sum of code from
win3x. This code is included for either of two reasons. The first was
speed and the second was backward compatibility. The later is te main
reason for 3x code appearing in ME.

The fact is that 95 had about a third of its code written in 16 bit
code. This was for compatibity and speed. When they released 98, the share
dropped to about 25%. All indications were that ME would retain a good
chunk of the 16 bit code though it would be re-written.

In all of the versions of winblows not in the NT line programs could
communicate through shared memory. This set the system up for memory
leaks. As if a program allocated memory then failed to release said memory
it was out of service until the next reboot. This was done because there
was no way to know what memory was being shared and the OS recovering the
memory lead to spectacular crashes.

WinNT took a different approach to this. In the ealy versions of NT, the
memory was duplicated to different programs. This worked fine as long as
you didn't run too many 16 bit programs. Then in version 4, they decided
to put all 16 bit programs into seperate memory space. This gave good
performance and yet protected all but other 16 bit programs from their
memory overwriting ways.

I know this is more then most want to know. But if you are going to talk
about the failings of a company bent on domination at least get it right.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.