* Orca -- Darn it! @ Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak ` Ann Parsons 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Maybe this time??? Marc Mulcahy <Marc.Mulcahy@Sun.COM> Hi All, One of the biggest challenges in screen reading technology is providing a consistent user experience across multiple applications which may use objects in different ways, and to allow quick access to information which may not be easily accessible through an application's keyboard navigation commands. I have created a project written in C and Python to explore these issues, and to provide a test bed for playing with possible solutions. The project is in CVS module orca. Marc _______________________________________________ Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! Orca -- Darn it! Janina Sajka @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Sean McMahon ` Ann Parsons 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This came through just fine on the second try, I don't see why everyone is making such a big fuss about it, or maybe we still have people on here who don't bother reading their email all the way through, and just rattle off whatever they want, regardless of what else maybe in their inboxes. Greg On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > Maybe this time??? > > Marc Mulcahy <Marc.Mulcahy@Sun.COM> > > Hi All, > > One of the biggest challenges in screen reading technology is > providing a consistent user experience across multiple applications > which may use objects in different ways, and to allow quick access to > information which may not be easily accessible through an > application's keyboard navigation commands. I have created a project > written in C and Python to explore these issues, and to provide a test > bed for playing with possible solutions. The project is in CVS > module orca. > > Marc > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > !DSPAM:40b3bcfe300218619219928! > > - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAs77z7s9z/XlyUyARAuJQAJ4rIqnfiZIUWn1dqTTsSkkDzx4PAQCeNfep lDiyTw+PboQ4E+7YQ/5OsM0= =jCoE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Sean McMahon ` Janina Sajka ` Luke Yelavich 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Sean McMahon @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I got the email for the second time it's just not terribly informative. Doesn't really explain and doesn't tell us where to checkout this module from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: Orca -- Darn it! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This came through just fine on the second try, I don't see why > everyone is making such a big fuss about it, or maybe we still have > people on here who don't bother reading their email all the way through, > and just rattle off whatever they want, regardless of what else maybe > in their inboxes. > > Greg > > > On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Maybe this time??? > > > > Marc Mulcahy <Marc.Mulcahy@Sun.COM> > > > > Hi All, > > > > One of the biggest challenges in screen reading technology is > > providing a consistent user experience across multiple applications > > which may use objects in different ways, and to allow quick access to > > information which may not be easily accessible through an > > application's keyboard navigation commands. I have created a project > > written in C and Python to explore these issues, and to provide a test > > bed for playing with possible solutions. The project is in CVS > > module orca. > > > > Marc > > _______________________________________________ > > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > !DSPAM:40b3bcfe300218619219928! > > > > > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAs77z7s9z/XlyUyARAuJQAJ4rIqnfiZIUWn1dqTTsSkkDzx4PAQCeNfep > lDiyTw+PboQ4E+7YQ/5OsM0= > =jCoE > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! ` Sean McMahon @ ` Janina Sajka ` Luke Yelavich 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sean McMahon, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I suppose if you don't know what the GNOME CVS repository is then you don't know where. Try ftp.gnome.org if you're curious. Sean McMahon writes: > I got the email for the second time it's just not terribly informative. Doesn't > really explain and doesn't tell us where to checkout this module from. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: Orca -- Darn it! > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > This came through just fine on the second try, I don't see why > > everyone is making such a big fuss about it, or maybe we still have > > people on here who don't bother reading their email all the way through, > > and just rattle off whatever they want, regardless of what else maybe > > in their inboxes. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Maybe this time??? > > > > > > Marc Mulcahy <Marc.Mulcahy@Sun.COM> > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > One of the biggest challenges in screen reading technology is > > > providing a consistent user experience across multiple applications > > > which may use objects in different ways, and to allow quick access to > > > information which may not be easily accessible through an > > > application's keyboard navigation commands. I have created a project > > > written in C and Python to explore these issues, and to provide a test > > > bed for playing with possible solutions. The project is in CVS > > > module orca. > > > > > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > > > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup > > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > !DSPAM:40b3bcfe300218619219928! > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAs77z7s9z/XlyUyARAuJQAJ4rIqnfiZIUWn1dqTTsSkkDzx4PAQCeNfep > > lDiyTw+PboQ4E+7YQ/5OsM0= > > =jCoE > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! ` Sean McMahon ` Janina Sajka @ ` Luke Yelavich ` Janina Sajka ` nick G 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Luke Yelavich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sean McMahon, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Sean This seems to be a test project to implement something like what you can do with JAWS scripting. I am not yet sure whether it works with Gnopernicus or not, but a look so far makes me think that it doesnt yet. Luke At 09:16 AM 26/05/2004, Sean McMahon wrote: >I got the email for the second time it's just not terribly >informative. Doesn't >really explain and doesn't tell us where to checkout this module from. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:47 PM >Subject: Re: Orca -- Darn it! > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > This came through just fine on the second try, I don't see why > > everyone is making such a big fuss about it, or maybe we still have > > people on here who don't bother reading their email all the way through, > > and just rattle off whatever they want, regardless of what else maybe > > in their inboxes. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Maybe this time??? > > > > > > Marc Mulcahy <Marc.Mulcahy@Sun.COM> > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > One of the biggest challenges in screen reading technology is > > > providing a consistent user experience across multiple applications > > > which may use objects in different ways, and to allow quick access to > > > information which may not be easily accessible through an > > > application's keyboard navigation commands. I have created a project > > > written in C and Python to explore these issues, and to provide a test > > > bed for playing with possible solutions. The project is in CVS > > > module orca. > > > > > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > > > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup > > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > !DSPAM:40b3bcfe300218619219928! > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAs77z7s9z/XlyUyARAuJQAJ4rIqnfiZIUWn1dqTTsSkkDzx4PAQCeNfep > > lDiyTw+PboQ4E+7YQ/5OsM0= > > =jCoE > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! ` Luke Yelavich @ ` Janina Sajka ` Luke Yelavich ` nick G 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. It might replace gnopernicus. Luke Yelavich writes: > Hi Sean > This seems to be a test project to implement something like what you can do > with JAWS scripting. I am not yet sure whether it works with Gnopernicus or > not, but a look so far makes me think that it doesnt yet. > > Luke > > At 09:16 AM 26/05/2004, Sean McMahon wrote: > >I got the email for the second time it's just not terribly > >informative. Doesn't > >really explain and doesn't tell us where to checkout this module from. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:47 PM > >Subject: Re: Orca -- Darn it! > > > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> This came through just fine on the second try, I don't see why > >> everyone is making such a big fuss about it, or maybe we still have > >> people on here who don't bother reading their email all the way through, > >> and just rattle off whatever they want, regardless of what else maybe > >> in their inboxes. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > >> > Maybe this time??? > >> > > >> > Marc Mulcahy <Marc.Mulcahy@Sun.COM> > >> > > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > One of the biggest challenges in screen reading technology is > >> > providing a consistent user experience across multiple applications > >> > which may use objects in different ways, and to allow quick access to > >> > information which may not be easily accessible through an > >> > application's keyboard navigation commands. I have created a project > >> > written in C and Python to explore these issues, and to provide a test > >> > bed for playing with possible solutions. The project is in CVS > >> > module orca. > >> > > >> > Marc > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > >> > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Janina Sajka, Director > >> > Technology Research and Development > >> > Governmental Relations Group > >> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >> > > >> > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup > >> > Free Standards Group (FSG) > >> > > >> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Speakup mailing list > >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > >> > > >> > !DSPAM:40b3bcfe300218619219928! > >> > > >> > > >> > >> - -- > >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >> > >> iD8DBQFAs77z7s9z/XlyUyARAuJQAJ4rIqnfiZIUWn1dqTTsSkkDzx4PAQCeNfep > >> lDiyTw+PboQ4E+7YQ/5OsM0= > >> =jCoE > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! ` Janina Sajka @ ` Luke Yelavich ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Luke Yelavich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Janina At 09:44 AM 26/05/2004, Janina Sajka wrote: >It might replace gnopernicus. I don't think so. It would probably require a lot of scripting to implement the same mouse navigation and other screen review functions in the scripts. However, there may also be an option of allowing orca to work with Gnopernicus, in that it uses Gnopernicus to take care of speech and braille, rather than directly using gnome-speech and BrlAPI. Luke ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! ` Luke Yelavich @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Luke: Well, it will speak directly via gnome-speech. And, it is capable of getting accessible data via AT-SPI. I don't know about mouse functions, but I tend to try and avoid those. Just a personal quirk. Luke Yelavich writes: > Hi Janina > At 09:44 AM 26/05/2004, Janina Sajka wrote: > >It might replace gnopernicus. > > I don't think so. It would probably require a lot of scripting to implement > the same mouse navigation and other screen review functions in the scripts. > > However, there may also be an option of allowing orca to work with > Gnopernicus, in that it uses Gnopernicus to take care of speech and > braille, rather than directly using gnome-speech and BrlAPI. > > Luke > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Orca -- Darn it! ` Luke Yelavich ` Janina Sajka @ ` nick G 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If that's the case, then I think Orca is the better of the two. JAWS has a lot of grunt for that sort of think, and if Orca can do the same...It'll rule! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Yelavich" <themuso@themuso.com> To: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Orca -- Darn it! > Hi Sean > This seems to be a test project to implement something like what you can do > with JAWS scripting. I am not yet sure whether it works with Gnopernicus or > not, but a look so far makes me think that it doesnt yet. > > Luke > > At 09:16 AM 26/05/2004, Sean McMahon wrote: > >I got the email for the second time it's just not terribly > >informative. Doesn't > >really explain and doesn't tell us where to checkout this module from. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > >Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:47 PM > >Subject: Re: Orca -- Darn it! > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > This came through just fine on the second try, I don't see why > > > everyone is making such a big fuss about it, or maybe we still have > > > people on here who don't bother reading their email all the way through, > > > and just rattle off whatever they want, regardless of what else maybe > > > in their inboxes. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:10:41PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > Maybe this time??? > > > > > > > > Marc Mulcahy <Marc.Mulcahy@Sun.COM> > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > One of the biggest challenges in screen reading technology is > > > > providing a consistent user experience across multiple applications > > > > which may use objects in different ways, and to allow quick access to > > > > information which may not be easily accessible through an > > > > application's keyboard navigation commands. I have created a project > > > > written in C and Python to explore these issues, and to provide a test > > > > bed for playing with possible solutions. The project is in CVS > > > > module orca. > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Gnome-accessibility-devel mailing list > > > > Gnome-accessibility-devel@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-devel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > > Technology Research and Development > > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup > > > > Free Standards Group (FSG) > > > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > !DSPAM:40b3bcfe300218619219928! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFAs77z7s9z/XlyUyARAuJQAJ4rIqnfiZIUWn1dqTTsSkkDzx4PAQCeNfep > > > lDiyTw+PboQ4E+7YQ/5OsM0= > > > =jCoE > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Orca -- Darn it! Orca -- Darn it! Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Ann Parsons 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi all, You done it this time, Janina. The whale definitely spouted. Interesting! Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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