switching consoles

switching consoles

[kaare]

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Hi folks, I haven't been able to find out why this happens so any helps would be appreciated. I try to use the alt-1-2-3 keys to switch consoles both as root and as my user account however it won't move from tty 1, I really want to run multiple tasks but <shrugs>. Any ideas? and thanks for all the help with the speakup keyboard mapping stuff and dhcp, reinstalled the kernel and that is good and dhcp sometimes works with is good enough for now:)

Cheers,

Kaare.

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Re: switching consoles

[Toby Fisher]

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On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, kaare wrote:

> Hi folks, I haven't been able to find out why this happens so any helps
> would be appreciated. I try to use the alt-1-2-3 keys to switch consoles
> both as root and as my user account however it won't move from tty 1, I
> really want to run multiple tasks but <shrugs>. Any ideas? and thanks
> for all the help with the speakup keyboard mapping stuff and dhcp,
> reinstalled the kernel and that is good and dhcp sometimes works with is
> good enough for now:)

Ok, the reason is because the correct keys to use are alt-f1/f2/f3/...
it's an easy mistake to make, I did it myself at first.

Good luck.

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Re: switching consoles

[kaare]

okay thanks got me a bad case of the stupids.  
----- Original Message ----- > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, kaare wrote:
> 
> > really want to run multiple tasks but <shrugs>. Any ideas? and thanks
> > for all the help with the speakup keyboard mapping stuff and dhcp,
> Ok, the reason is because the correct keys to use are alt-f1/f2/f3/...
> it's an easy mistake to make, I did it myself at first.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
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Re: switching consoles

[Doug Lawlor]

The correct keys to use are the alt + function keys not alt + number
keys.  The alt + left and right arrow keys will also switch as well.  

Doug


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switching consoles

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Kaare,

you want to try the right command, not the wrong one for this task. 

>>>>> "kaare" == kaare  <kaare@rogers.com> writes:

    kaare> Hi folks, I haven't been able to find out why this happens
    kaare> so any helps would be appreciated. I try to use the
    kaare> alt-1-2-3 keys to switch consoles both as root and as my
    kaare> user account however it won't move from tty 1, I really
    kaare> want to run multiple tasks but <shrugs>. 

You want alt-f1 alt-f2 and so on, not alt-1 alt-2 and so on.

Ann P.

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Re: switching consoles

[Jude DaShiell]

Also remember to hit return after you've used say alt-f2 or alt-f1, that
tells the system you want to login if you've not done so already.  Once
you've logged in and switch between logged in tasks it's not necessary to
hit return hater switching screens.  Your default when you power up is
alt-f1.  Something else, you don't need to use alt-f2 to move to screen 2
if you don't want to.  You can use ctty 2 or ctty 3 or ctty 1 on the
command line and do the same thing.

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Re: switching consoles

[Joseph C. Lininger]

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Two things regarding that. First, did the key combinations are not alt+1, alt+2 etc. They are alt+F1, alt+F2 through alt+F6. Second, do you have the support for this in your kernel?
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jbahm@pcdesk.net
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kaare 
  To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
  Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:52 AM
  Subject: switching consoles


  Hi folks, I haven't been able to find out why this happens so any helps would be appreciated. I try to use the alt-1-2-3 keys to switch consoles both as root and as my user account however it won't move from tty 1, I really want to run multiple tasks but <shrugs>. Any ideas? and thanks for all the help with the speakup keyboard mapping stuff and dhcp, reinstalled the kernel and that is good and dhcp sometimes works with is good enough for now:)

  Cheers,

  Kaare.

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Re: switching consoles

[kaare]

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thanks much everyone who responded support is there and now that I'm over my case of the dumbs... it works:).
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joseph C. Lininger 
  To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:27 AM
  Subject: Re: switching consoles


  Two things regarding that. First, did the key combinations are not alt+1, alt+2 etc. They are alt+F1, alt+F2 through alt+F6. Second, do you have the support for this in your kernel?
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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: kaare 
    To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
    Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:52 AM
    Subject: switching consoles


    Hi folks, I haven't been able to find out why this happens so any helps would be appreciated. I try to use the alt-1-2-3 keys to switch consoles both as root and as my user account however it won't move from tty 1, I really want to run multiple tasks but <shrugs>. Any ideas? and thanks for all the help with the speakup keyboard mapping stuff and dhcp, reinstalled the kernel and that is good and dhcp sometimes works with is good enough for now:)

    Cheers,

    Kaare.

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Re: switching consoles

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  If I press return when I change to a console with a log in prompt,
the system will then prompt me for the password.  Debian takes the
return at a log in prompt is an empty user name.
Instead of pressing return when changing to a console, I use either keypad
dot to get cursor position and console number or use keypad 8 to read
the current line.

My system doesn't hav a ctty command.  Where can I get this?

I have to use either the alt function keys or the alt-left and alt-right
arrows to change consoles.


          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 05:02:24PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Also remember to hit return after you've used say alt-f2 or alt-f1, that
> tells the system you want to login if you've not done so already.  Once
> you've logged in and switch between logged in tasks it's not necessary to
> hit return hater switching screens.  Your default when you power up is
> alt-f1.  Something else, you don't need to use alt-f2 to move to screen 2
> if you don't want to.  You can use ctty 2 or ctty 3 or ctty 1 on the
> command line and do the same thing.
> 
> -- 
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Re: switching consoles

[Jude DaShiell]

ctty it appears is a redhat specific command.  It does not show up in
slackware either but I did have it working in redhat earlier and read
about it in 2 cent tips on the linuxgazette page in an early issue.
There may be other equivalents in both systems, would be nice for scripts
and will search man pages for tty programs and see what if anything shows
up over here..  The advice about hitting return if a screen hasn't been
logged in in order to get a login prompt is correct for redhat and
slackware at least redhat 7.0 and 7.2 and slackware 8.0.

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Re: switching consoles

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> The advice about hitting return if a screen hasn't been
> logged in in order to get a login prompt is correct for redhat and
> slackware at least redhat 7.0 and 7.2 and slackware 8.0.
Actually, it's hogwash for RedHat and I imagine Slackware as well.  Just 
because you don't hear the prompt when you switch to the VC doesn't mean 
it isn't there.  When I boot up, I move through all six VC's logging in 
without pressing return first.  I wish folks would be a bit more careful 
about what they post.
 -- Bill in Denver

Re: switching consoles

[Toby Fisher]

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>
> > The advice about hitting return if a screen hasn't been
> > logged in in order to get a login prompt is correct for redhat and
> > slackware at least redhat 7.0 and 7.2 and slackware 8.0.
> Actually, it's hogwash for RedHat and I imagine Slackware as well.  Just
> because you don't hear the prompt when you switch to the VC doesn't mean
> it isn't there.  When I boot up, I move through all six VC's logging in
> without pressing return first.  I wish folks would be a bit more careful
> about what they post.

Yes, simply getting speakup to read the current line should confirm this
for you, it's what I do if I'm in any doubt, though like Bill I also log
in on most if not all my consoles to get loads of things such as centericq
started.

Cheers.

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Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Janina Sajka]

OK, both Bill and Toby said they log onto multiple consoles when they
boot. I do the same thing. In fact, I have set habits about it, e.g.
every odd numbered console is a janina login, every even numbered one is
a root login, console F1 is mail, etc., etc.

So, the problem is that this is boring. Is there a way to cause the
system to come up with these consoles already logged in and open? Yes,
one can get fast at logging in, but why do it unless necessary? 

PS: On my desktops I no longer shutdown, so this isn't much of an issue.
Instead, I just vlock -a

Toby Fisher writes:
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> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 wrote:
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> > On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > The advice about hitting return if a screen hasn't been
> > > logged in in order to get a login prompt is correct for redhat and
> > > slackware at least redhat 7.0 and 7.2 and slackware 8.0.
> > Actually, it's hogwash for RedHat and I imagine Slackware as well.  Just
> > because you don't hear the prompt when you switch to the VC doesn't mean
> > it isn't there.  When I boot up, I move through all six VC's logging in
> > without pressing return first.  I wish folks would be a bit more careful
> > about what they post.
> 
> Yes, simply getting speakup to read the current line should confirm this
> for you, it's what I do if I'm in any doubt, though like Bill I also log
> in on most if not all my consoles to get loads of things such as centericq
> started.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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Re: Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Cheryl Homiak]

I also have set logging in habits and log in on multiple consoles. I'd also like
to have an automated (or at least faster) way to do this.

cheryl

Re: Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Cheryl Homiak]

Hey, nice tip about vlock!!!
Just downloaded it; very nice!!!

Cheryl

Re: Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Janina Sajka]

Cheryl Homiak writes:
> 
> Hey, nice tip about vlock!!!

Yeah, I think it's the bee's knees.

Notice the -a switch that you can use as root. It locks ll consoles, and
then unlocks them all when you come back with the root password.

I leave my office machine thaat way. Then I kill Speakup with the
PrintScreen key. I can still ssh in, it's just the console that's
locked.


> Just downloaded it; very nice!!!
> 
> Cheryl
> 
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Re: Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Dan Murphy]

Hi Janina.
What is this vlock program and does it run on Slackware or is it
distro specific?  If not, where might I download it?
Thanks.
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003,
Janina Sajka wrote:

> Cheryl Homiak writes:
> >
> > Hey, nice tip about vlock!!!
<snip>

Re: Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Janina Sajka]

Well, Dan, I am sure it's not Red Hat specific, as I aalso have it on my
Debian system. But, I'm not sure where you get it as a tarball. With RH,
the RH installer just put it in. And, with Debian, I just used apt-get.
So, don't know what to tell you other than try Google.

Dan Murphy writes:
> From: Dan Murphy <mweeby@earthlink.net>
> 
> Hi Janina.
> What is this vlock program and does it run on Slackware or is it
> distro specific?  If not, where might I download it?
> Thanks.
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003,
> Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Cheryl Homiak writes:
> > >
> > > Hey, nice tip about vlock!!!
> <snip>
> 
> 
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Re: switching consoles

[Jude DaShiell]

Same situation with available menu choices under lilo.  You don't hear any
of them until you use the arrow keys then you her the labels.On Thu, 2 Jan
2003, Toby Fisher wrote:

> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:01:50 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Toby Fisher <toby@tjfisher.co.uk>
> Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: switching consoles
>
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> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> >
> > > The advice about hitting return if a screen hasn't been
> > > logged in in order to get a login prompt is correct for redhat and
> > > slackware at least redhat 7.0 and 7.2 and slackware 8.0.
> > Actually, it's hogwash for RedHat and I imagine Slackware as well.  Just
> > because you don't hear the prompt when you switch to the VC doesn't mean
> > it isn't there.  When I boot up, I move through all six VC's logging in
> > without pressing return first.  I wish folks would be a bit more careful
> > about what they post.
>
> Yes, simply getting speakup to read the current line should confirm this
> for you, it's what I do if I'm in any doubt, though like Bill I also log
> in on most if not all my consoles to get loads of things such as centericq
> started.
>
> Cheers.
>
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> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
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Exim Specific For Slackware

[Richard Wells]

Sorry to do this on the list, but here goes:

Could Steve Holmes or anyone who has the Slackware install package for Exim
send it to me?

richwels@asmodean.net

Thanks in advance.

Re: Exim Specific For Slackware

[Toby Fisher]

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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Richard Wells wrote:

> Sorry to do this on the list, but here goes:
>
> Could Steve Holmes or anyone who has the Slackware install package for Exim
> send it to me?

I just downloaded tghe sources from exim.org and compiled.

Granted it's a little tricky because there's no configure script so you
have to move and edit the makefile by hand, but the main config file is
easy enough to follow imho.  It also has the advantage that you can
compile it for your specific architecture.

Cheers.

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Re: Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Toby Fisher]

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On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:

> OK, both Bill and Toby said they log onto multiple consoles when they
> boot. I do the same thing. In fact, I have set habits about it, e.g.
> every odd numbered console is a janina login, every even numbered one is
> a root login, console F1 is mail, etc., etc.

Yeah, me too, I like set things on set consoles.

> So, the problem is that this is boring. Is there a way to cause the
> system to come up with these consoles already logged in and open? Yes,
> one can get fast at logging in, but why do it unless necessary?

Um, surely this is obvious?
If someone gets physical access to your machine, they could do anything,
abosultely anything, and you'd have no way to trace it, except that things
had happened that you hadn't instigated.  Personally I'd be very wary of
doing such a thing.  However, I suppose you could use expect to run your
log-ins for you, but hmmm, that's not secure either as your passwords are
then written down on the system.

> PS: On my desktops I no longer shutdown, so this isn't much of an issue.
> Instead, I just vlock -a

Hmmm, sounds like that may be worth a look, though I tinker too much for
that really, my system typically gets a reboot on average about every 3 or
4 days.

Cheers.

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Re: Logging In on Multiple Consoles

[Janina Sajka]

I don't see much in the way of a security issue when I pull my Thinkpad
out of its case, plug it up, and boot.

I'm certainly not for writing passwords in the clear, so unless expect
can manage them encrypted, that won't work either, just for that
security reason.

Toby Fisher writes:
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> On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > OK, both Bill and Toby said they log onto multiple consoles when they
> > boot. I do the same thing. In fact, I have set habits about it, e.g.
> > every odd numbered console is a janina login, every even numbered one is
> > a root login, console F1 is mail, etc., etc.
> 
> Yeah, me too, I like set things on set consoles.
> 
> > So, the problem is that this is boring. Is there a way to cause the
> > system to come up with these consoles already logged in and open? Yes,
> > one can get fast at logging in, but why do it unless necessary?
> 
> Um, surely this is obvious?
> If someone gets physical access to your machine, they could do anything,
> abosultely anything, and you'd have no way to trace it, except that things
> had happened that you hadn't instigated.  Personally I'd be very wary of
> doing such a thing.  However, I suppose you could use expect to run your
> log-ins for you, but hmmm, that's not secure either as your passwords are
> then written down on the system.
> 
> > PS: On my desktops I no longer shutdown, so this isn't much of an issue.
> > Instead, I just vlock -a
> 
> Hmmm, sounds like that may be worth a look, though I tinker too much for
> that really, my system typically gets a reboot on average about every 3 or
> 4 days.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: switching consoles

[Gregory Nowak]

What Bill says is correct for slackware as well.

Greg



> ----- Original Message -----

>From: "William F.  Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org

>To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca

>Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:27:44 -0700 (MST)

>Subject: Re: switching consoles

>On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Jude DaShiell wrote:

>> The advice about hitting return if a screen hasn't been

>>logged in in order to get a login prompt is correct for redhat and

>>slackware at least redhat 7.0 and 7.2 and slackware 8.0.

>Actually, it's hogwash for RedHat and I imagine Slackware as well.  Just

>because you don't hear the prompt when you switch to the VC doesn't mean

>it isn't there.  When I boot up, I move through all six VC's logging in

>without pressing return first.  I wish folks would be a bit more careful

>about what they post.

>-- Bill in Denver

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