* Speakup, 2.6.22, and Git
@ Zachary Kline
` Willem van der Walt
` Samuel Thibault
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From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi,
As a person who is probably going to be seeing a lot more of Linux in the near future, I have a few questions about the Speakup support for 2.6.22 and Git.
1. I don't have Git installed, and don't foresee getting it in the near future. Is there any particular reason why CVS is being discontinued? I did not see any such message in the archives if there was one.
2. What about something more commonly available, like SVN?
3. I read today that the kernel serial device support was taken out of the latest 2.6.22, and thus Speakup will now work with it. Does this preclude Speakup working in the near future with USB to serial converters or PCI equivalents thereof?
If I have struck the wrong note with any of these questions I would appreciate knowing.
Thanks,
Zack.
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Speakup, 2.6.22, and Git Zachary Kline
@ ` Willem van der Walt
` Lukas Loehrer
` Samuel Thibault
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Willem van der Walt @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Git is a commertial distributed version control system. It was picked
above cvs a few years ago by Linus himself. SVN or actually subversion
was developed as a cvs improvement/replacement.
I suppose there must be some git clients out there, I have never looked.
Hope another person can answer the rest of your questions.
Regards, Willem
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hi,
> As a person who is probably going to be seeing a lot more of Linux in the near future, I have a few questions about the Speakup support for 2.6.22 and Git.
> 1. I don't have Git installed, and don't foresee getting it in the near future. Is there any particular reason why CVS is being discontinued? I did not see any such message in the archives if there was one.
> 2. What about something more commonly available, like SVN?
> 3. I read today that the kernel serial device support was taken out of the latest 2.6.22, and thus Speakup will now work with it. Does this preclude Speakup working in the near future with USB to serial converters or PCI equivalents thereof?
> If I have struck the wrong note with any of these questions I would appreciate knowing.
> Thanks,
> Zack.
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` Willem van der Walt
@ ` Lukas Loehrer
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Lukas Loehrer @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Willem van der Walt writes ("Re: Speakup, 2.6.22, and Git"):
> Git is a commertial distributed version control system. It was picked
> above cvs a few years ago by Linus himself. SVN or actually subversion
> was developed as a cvs improvement/replacement.
No, git is a free, open source distributed version control system. It
was initially developed by Linus as a replacement for the commercial
BitKeeper version control system. Chances are there is a package for
git in your favorite discribution. git is what the Kernel people and
various other projects use today.
Best regards, Lukas
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* Re: Speakup, 2.6.22, and Git
Speakup, 2.6.22, and Git Zachary Kline
` Willem van der Walt
@ ` Samuel Thibault
` Jim Grimsby Jr.
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi,
Zachary Kline, le Mon 03 Sep 2007 20:22:11 -0700, a écrit :
> 3. I read today that the kernel serial device support was taken out of the latest 2.6.22
That's not exactly what happened: they just dropped some internal
details from public headers.
> and thus Speakup will now work with it.
The git version works with 2.6.22, as it defines these details for its
own uses, which is sufficient at least for i386, ppc, arm, ...
> Does this preclude Speakup working in the near future with USB to serial converters or PCI equivalents thereof?
It doesn't hurt anything on this issue.
Samuel
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` Samuel Thibault
@ ` Jim Grimsby Jr.
` Luke Yelavich
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Jim Grimsby Jr. @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Hi does this mean that the distros who droped it can now pick it up again.
Jim Grimsby Jr.
skype: Jim.grimsby
I say what I mean! I mean what I say!
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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Samuel Thibault
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:08 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Speakup, 2.6.22, and Git
Hi,
Zachary Kline, le Mon 03 Sep 2007 20:22:11 -0700, a écrit :
> 3. I read today that the kernel serial device support was taken out of the
latest 2.6.22
That's not exactly what happened: they just dropped some internal
details from public headers.
> and thus Speakup will now work with it.
The git version works with 2.6.22, as it defines these details for its
own uses, which is sufficient at least for i386, ppc, arm, ...
> Does this preclude Speakup working in the near future with USB to serial
converters or PCI equivalents thereof?
It doesn't hurt anything on this issue.
Samuel
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` Jim Grimsby Jr.
@ ` Luke Yelavich
` Jim Grimsby Jr.
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From: Luke Yelavich @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
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On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 07:08:08PM EST, Jim Grimsby Jr. wrote:
> Hi does this mean that the distros who droped it can now pick it up again.
Probably, but this late in the developmement cycle, Ubuntu certainly won't be doing so, and likely won't until the code
is cleaned up, which this incident has highlighted the need for.
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` Luke Yelavich
@ ` Jim Grimsby Jr.
` Luke Yelavich
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From: Jim Grimsby Jr. @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
could you please explain how. I mean it seems to me that the insadent
highlights the problems that are interduced when you go a change the methodf
of doing some thing that does not need changing.there were other problems
that is why it was changed back. it seems to me that picking it up again
just means ofering the package on the cd. or ofering for it to boot the
kernel from cd. i mean the reason you gave for dropping it was the fact
that it would not patch in to the lator kernel it does now and there for you
have no reason not to pick it back up.
Jim Grimsby Jr.
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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:34 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Speakup, 2.6.22, and Git
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On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 07:08:08PM EST, Jim Grimsby Jr. wrote:
> Hi does this mean that the distros who droped it can now pick it up again.
Probably, but this late in the developmement cycle, Ubuntu certainly won't
be doing so, and likely won't until the code
is cleaned up, which this incident has highlighted the need for.
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` Jim Grimsby Jr.
@ ` Luke Yelavich
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From: Luke Yelavich @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
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On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 06:03:04AM EST, Jim Grimsby Jr. wrote:
> could you please explain how. I mean it seems to me that the insadent
> highlights the problems that are interduced when you go a change the methodf
> of doing some thing that does not need changing.there were other problems
> that is why it was changed back. it seems to me that picking it up again
> just means ofering the package on the cd. or ofering for it to boot
It doesn't work that way. A distribution's development cycle must have a period where bugfixing and stabilising work
has to take place, and priority over new features. Ubuntu is now in that stage, and will be so until the next release.
Ubuntu dropped speakup for reasons outlined on this list previously, and re-adding it at this point, just because we
can is not a good enough argument for me, and it would certainly not be a good argument for those who maintain the
kernel, and the distro.
Since the kernel maintainers have also changed their approach to Kernel development, the only chance we have of getting
speakup back in, is when it becomes part of the mainline kernel. There is a good chance that I can get a speakup kernel
created as an extra kernel in the universe repository for next cycle, but it certainly won't be on the main CD that
gets shipped.
I would gladly help Kirk et al with getting speakup up-to-date, if I had the knowledge to do so, and I dare say many
others on the list feel the same way, but for now all we can do is wait till the code is updated accordingly, and only
then once its in mainline, will it be in Ubuntu.
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