Re: battery on notebook

Re: battery on notebook

[Sean M McMahon]

While we're on the subject of laptops, is their a speakup keymap for 
laptops?  How do you perform the speakup commands you would use on the 
numberpad of a regular keyboard?

Re: battery on notebook

[Janina Sajka]

Sure is, and probably installed by default.

The capslock key becomes the Speakup modifier. The rest is a la pop up
keyboard, e.g. CapsLock-I is read current line and CapsLock-O is read
next line.

This isn't laptop specific. You can do it on a full 104 if you want to
save your shoulder. I'm trying to do this more and more because my
shoulder is showing signs of repetitive stress after 20 years of
computing. I've even looked around for a keyboard with a left-handed
numeric keypad because of that, but the pop up screen review is smarter.

What I have been meaning to ask Kirk and the others who work on coding
these things is how hard or easy it might be to provide a means to flip
the qwerty definitions. For example, to split bilaterally down the
qwerty between g and h so that CapsLock (or left alt or some such) plus
E becomes current line.

Sean M McMahon writes:
> While we're on the subject of laptops, is their a speakup keymap for 
> laptops?  How do you perform the speakup commands you would use on the 
> numberpad of a regular keyboard?
> 
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janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi all,

	Yes, Janina, you are right here. It is part of the speakup patches applied when you select speakup in the configuration of your kernel. I designed the keymapping to emulate the numeric keypad layout for the most part. David Borowski integrated it into the speakup patches and Kirk included it with them in CVS speakup.

	This was done over a year ago, and David  said that he was thinking of making user-definable keymappings easy at that time, I haven't heard from him in a long time. So I don't know if this is still in his 'to-do' list or not.

	I haven't messed with it since last year so I can't explain accurately/briefly what would be needed to alter the keymappings. However, it should not be too hard to do. Essentially, what you would need to do to customize your keymap to personal preference is:

After applying the CVS patches for speakup, modify the keymap definitions in:

/usr/src/linux/drivers/char/speakup/speakupmap.map

to suit your preferences. Then compile/install the kernel as normal and Congratulations! you now have your very own keymap definition.

	I'd suggest not doing this unless you are comfortable with compiling the kernel. ... and if something breaks... well, like Kirk says, "You get to keep all the pieces"!

	Read on...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 01:56:04PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Sure is, and probably installed by default.
> 
> The capslock key becomes the Speakup modifier. The rest is a la pop up
> keyboard, e.g. CapsLock-I is read current line and CapsLock-O is read
> next line.
> 
> This isn't laptop specific. You can do it on a full 104 if you want to
> save your shoulder. I'm trying to do this more and more because my
> shoulder is showing signs of repetitive stress after 20 years of
> computing. I've even looked around for a keyboard with a left-handed
> numeric keypad because of that, but the pop up screen review is smarter.
	Glad you like it Janina! I use it on all my keyboards too. But not everyone likes the same layout! :-0

> What I have been meaning to ask Kirk and the others who work on coding
> these things is how hard or easy it might be to provide a means to flip
> the qwerty definitions. For example, to split bilaterally down the
> qwerty between g and h so that CapsLock (or left alt or some such) plus
> E becomes current line.
	You can do that if you want. See above.


	HTH,

	--terry

-- 

Name:	Terry D. Cudney
Phone:	(705) 422-0039
E-mail:	terry@wasaga.dyns.net

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
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Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Wed, Sep 29 2004 at 04:41:31PM -0400, Terry D. Cudney wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> 	Yes, Janina, you are right here. It is part of the speakup patches applied when you select speakup in the configuration of your kernel. I designed the keymapping to emulate the numeric keypad layout for the most part. David Borowski integrated it into the speakup patches and Kirk included it with them in CVS speakup.
> 
> 	This was done over a year ago, and David  said that he was thinking of making user-definable keymappings easy at that time, I haven't heard from him in a long time. So I don't know if this is still in his 'to-do' list or not.

When you compile a kernel with speakup there should be an executable
called genmap created in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/speakup. Use this
program as follows after you make the changes you want to
speakupmap.map.

./genkey speakupmap.map >/proc/speakup/keymap

This should update the keymap in the currently running speakup. What I
have done is to write a keymap to /etc/speakup/ and then used
speakupconf to load and save it. Since I haven't done this in a while
standard disclaimers apply, YMMV, Etc.

HTH

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Ameer Armaly]

You don't even have to run genmap; just recompile and it's a standard target 
in speakup.

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 Usually it's your choice. You can whine or you can laugh.
--Animorphs
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Stivers" <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook


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> On Wed, Sep 29 2004 at 04:41:31PM -0400, Terry D. Cudney wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Yes, Janina, you are right here. It is part of the speakup patches 
>> applied when you select speakup in the configuration of your kernel. I 
>> designed the keymapping to emulate the numeric keypad layout for the most 
>> part. David Borowski integrated it into the speakup patches and Kirk 
>> included it with them in CVS speakup.
>>
>> This was done over a year ago, and David  said that he was thinking of 
>> making user-definable keymappings easy at that time, I haven't heard from 
>> him in a long time. So I don't know if this is still in his 'to-do' list 
>> or not.
>
> When you compile a kernel with speakup there should be an executable
> called genmap created in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/speakup. Use this
> program as follows after you make the changes you want to
> speakupmap.map.
>
> ./genkey speakupmap.map >/proc/speakup/keymap
>
> This should update the keymap in the currently running speakup. What I
> have done is to write a keymap to /etc/speakup/ and then used
> speakupconf to load and save it. Since I haven't done this in a while
> standard disclaimers apply, YMMV, Etc.
>
> HTH
>
> - -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>
> Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Steve Holmes]

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Hey, I just noticed something very strange here.  I just looked around
and I don't have a genmap anymore.  Upon further investigation, it
appears that it only gets built if the kernel version is 2.4.  I say
this after looking at the Makefile.
ifeq ($V,2.4)
... all make targets for genmap and the keymap.h ...
endif
Any reason for that?  Is there an alternative for 2.6 or should this
conditional come out?

I just checked out a new speakup and see this right now.

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Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Ameer Armaly]

If you look down, you'll see something similar, but with a lot of $(src) in 
it; this is the 2.6 stuff. Kirk says that 2.6 handles these things 
differently, so there has to be a different type of target.

---
Life is either tragedy or comedy.
 Usually it's your choice. You can whine or you can laugh.
--Animorphs
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From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook


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> Hey, I just noticed something very strange here.  I just looked around
> and I don't have a genmap anymore.  Upon further investigation, it
> appears that it only gets built if the kernel version is 2.4.  I say
> this after looking at the Makefile.
> ifeq ($V,2.4)
> ... all make targets for genmap and the keymap.h ...
> endif
> Any reason for that?  Is there an alternative for 2.6 or should this
> conditional come out?
>
> I just checked out a new speakup and see this right now.
>
> - -- 
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> The best solutions for the best price!
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Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Steve Holmes]

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Well the reason I ask is I never got a genmap binary out of the Make
run.  Does the keymap get generated by some other means? Oh, I see
now; I took a look at the rest of the makefile and there's stuff in
there.  I sure don't quite understand the new Makefile layout.  I
guess that's a 2.6 kernel thing.  Apparently when I last built this
(CVS from June 7th, the compile must not have worked with genmap.
When I tried it now, it seems that there's something missing.  I'll
have to give the 2.6.8.1 kernel a try with make and see if genmap gets
built properly.  I'll have the latest CVS pull from yesterday which
has a date of Aug on it.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2004 at 04:08:38PM -0400, Ameer Armaly wrote:
> If you look down, you'll see something similar, but with a lot of $(src) in 
> it; this is the 2.6 stuff. Kirk says that 2.6 handles these things 
> differently, so there has to be a different type of target.
> 
> ---
> Life is either tragedy or comedy.
> Usually it's your choice. You can whine or you can laugh.
> --Animorphs
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook
> 
> 
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> >Hey, I just noticed something very strange here.  I just looked around
> >and I don't have a genmap anymore.  Upon further investigation, it
> >appears that it only gets built if the kernel version is 2.4.  I say
> >this after looking at the Makefile.
> >ifeq ($V,2.4)
> >... all make targets for genmap and the keymap.h ...
> >endif
> >Any reason for that?  Is there an alternative for 2.6 or should this
> >conditional come out?
> >
> >I just checked out a new speakup and see this right now.
> >
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Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Janina Sajka]

Thanks, Terry. And please forgive me for not remembering that you were
the one who did this great work. I wrote that message in a great hurry
inbetween two con calls this afternoon! <grin>

Oh, and thanks for the great job. Between your keymappings and software
speech, Speakup with a laptop on the road is just an entirely new
dimension.

Terry D. Cudney writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> 	Yes, Janina, you are right here. It is part of the speakup patches applied when you select speakup in the configuration of your kernel. I designed the keymapping to emulate the numeric keypad layout for the most part. David Borowski integrated it into the speakup patches and Kirk included it with them in CVS speakup.
> 
> 	This was done over a year ago, and David  said that he was thinking of making user-definable keymappings easy at that time, I haven't heard from him in a long time. So I don't know if this is still in his 'to-do' list or not.
> 
> 	I haven't messed with it since last year so I can't explain accurately/briefly what would be needed to alter the keymappings. However, it should not be too hard to do. Essentially, what you would need to do to customize your keymap to personal preference is:
> 
> After applying the CVS patches for speakup, modify the keymap definitions in:
> 
> /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/speakup/speakupmap.map
> 
> to suit your preferences. Then compile/install the kernel as normal and Congratulations! you now have your very own keymap definition.
> 
> 	I'd suggest not doing this unless you are comfortable with compiling the kernel. ... and if something breaks... well, like Kirk says, "You get to keep all the pieces"!
> 
> 	Read on...
> 
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 01:56:04PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Sure is, and probably installed by default.
> > 
> > The capslock key becomes the Speakup modifier. The rest is a la pop up
> > keyboard, e.g. CapsLock-I is read current line and CapsLock-O is read
> > next line.
> > 
> > This isn't laptop specific. You can do it on a full 104 if you want to
> > save your shoulder. I'm trying to do this more and more because my
> > shoulder is showing signs of repetitive stress after 20 years of
> > computing. I've even looked around for a keyboard with a left-handed
> > numeric keypad because of that, but the pop up screen review is smarter.
> 	Glad you like it Janina! I use it on all my keyboards too. But not everyone likes the same layout! :-0
> 
> > What I have been meaning to ask Kirk and the others who work on coding
> > these things is how hard or easy it might be to provide a means to flip
> > the qwerty definitions. For example, to split bilaterally down the
> > qwerty between g and h so that CapsLock (or left alt or some such) plus
> > E becomes current line.
> 	You can do that if you want. See above.
> 
> 
> 	HTH,
> 
> 	--terry
> 
> -- 
> 
> Name:	Terry D. Cudney
> Phone:	(705) 422-0039
> E-mail:	terry@wasaga.dyns.net
> 
> Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
> having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.
> 
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
> 
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				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

zinf

[doc]

I'm going to try 2.2.4 and see if it works any better.  If not....linux may
have to wait until I get another computer to play with.
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If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?
then where does the learning start?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook


Thanks, Terry. And please forgive me for not remembering that you were
the one who did this great work. I wrote that message in a great hurry
inbetween two con calls this afternoon! <grin>

Oh, and thanks for the great job. Between your keymappings and software
speech, Speakup with a laptop on the road is just an entirely new
dimension.

Terry D. Cudney writes:
> Hi all,
>
> Yes, Janina, you are right here. It is part of the speakup patches applied
when you select speakup in the configuration of your kernel. I designed the
keymapping to emulate the numeric keypad layout for the most part. David
Borowski integrated it into the speakup patches and Kirk included it with
them in CVS speakup.
>
> This was done over a year ago, and David  said that he was thinking of
making user-definable keymappings easy at that time, I haven't heard from
him in a long time. So I don't know if this is still in his 'to-do' list or
not.
>
> I haven't messed with it since last year so I can't explain
accurately/briefly what would be needed to alter the keymappings. However,
it should not be too hard to do. Essentially, what you would need to do to
customize your keymap to personal preference is:
>
> After applying the CVS patches for speakup, modify the keymap definitions
in:
>
> /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/speakup/speakupmap.map
>
> to suit your preferences. Then compile/install the kernel as normal and
Congratulations! you now have your very own keymap definition.
>
> I'd suggest not doing this unless you are comfortable with compiling the
kernel. ... and if something breaks... well, like Kirk says, "You get to
keep all the pieces"!
>
> Read on...
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 01:56:04PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Sure is, and probably installed by default.
> >
> > The capslock key becomes the Speakup modifier. The rest is a la pop up
> > keyboard, e.g. CapsLock-I is read current line and CapsLock-O is read
> > next line.
> >
> > This isn't laptop specific. You can do it on a full 104 if you want to
> > save your shoulder. I'm trying to do this more and more because my
> > shoulder is showing signs of repetitive stress after 20 years of
> > computing. I've even looked around for a keyboard with a left-handed
> > numeric keypad because of that, but the pop up screen review is smarter.
> Glad you like it Janina! I use it on all my keyboards too. But not
everyone likes the same layout! :-0
>
> > What I have been meaning to ask Kirk and the others who work on coding
> > these things is how hard or easy it might be to provide a means to flip
> > the qwerty definitions. For example, to split bilaterally down the
> > qwerty between g and h so that CapsLock (or left alt or some such) plus
> > E becomes current line.
> You can do that if you want. See above.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> --terry
>
> -- 
>
> Name: Terry D. Cudney
> Phone: (705) 422-0039
> E-mail: terry@wasaga.dyns.net
>
> Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
> having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.
>
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Accessibility Workgroup
Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040


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Re: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook

[Ameer Armaly]

>From what I understand (and have seen), it's fairly easy to edit the keymap 
right now.
A statement like " spk key_numleft = prev_char" makes a bit of sense to me 
at least (note that I haven't looked at a keymap in 3 months or more, so 
don't go quoting me on the syntax anyone). As to building keymaps from 
scratch, a solution would be farily easy; you'd need ncurses, cbreak, a list 
of  speakup functions... I'm going on a tangent.
---
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 Usually it's your choice. You can whine or you can laugh.
--Animorphs
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry D. Cudney" <terry@wasaga.dyns.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:41 PM
Subject: Laptop keymap... was: battery on notebook


> Hi all,
>
> Yes, Janina, you are right here. It is part of the speakup patches applied 
> when you select speakup in the configuration of your kernel. I designed 
> the keymapping to emulate the numeric keypad layout for the most part. 
> David Borowski integrated it into the speakup patches and Kirk included it 
> with them in CVS speakup.
>
> This was done over a year ago, and David  said that he was thinking of 
> making user-definable keymappings easy at that time, I haven't heard from 
> him in a long time. So I don't know if this is still in his 'to-do' list 
> or not.
>
> I haven't messed with it since last year so I can't explain 
> accurately/briefly what would be needed to alter the keymappings. However, 
> it should not be too hard to do. Essentially, what you would need to do to 
> customize your keymap to personal preference is:
>
> After applying the CVS patches for speakup, modify the keymap definitions 
> in:
>
> /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/speakup/speakupmap.map
>
> to suit your preferences. Then compile/install the kernel as normal and 
> Congratulations! you now have your very own keymap definition.
>
> I'd suggest not doing this unless you are comfortable with compiling the 
> kernel. ... and if something breaks... well, like Kirk says, "You get to 
> keep all the pieces"!
>
> Read on...
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2004 at 01:56:04PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> Sure is, and probably installed by default.
>>
>> The capslock key becomes the Speakup modifier. The rest is a la pop up
>> keyboard, e.g. CapsLock-I is read current line and CapsLock-O is read
>> next line.
>>
>> This isn't laptop specific. You can do it on a full 104 if you want to
>> save your shoulder. I'm trying to do this more and more because my
>> shoulder is showing signs of repetitive stress after 20 years of
>> computing. I've even looked around for a keyboard with a left-handed
>> numeric keypad because of that, but the pop up screen review is smarter.
> Glad you like it Janina! I use it on all my keyboards too. But not 
> everyone likes the same layout! :-0
>
>> What I have been meaning to ask Kirk and the others who work on coding
>> these things is how hard or easy it might be to provide a means to flip
>> the qwerty definitions. For example, to split bilaterally down the
>> qwerty between g and h so that CapsLock (or left alt or some such) plus
>> E becomes current line.
> You can do that if you want. See above.
>
>
> HTH,
>
> --terry
>
> -- 
>
> Name: Terry D. Cudney
> Phone: (705) 422-0039
> E-mail: terry@wasaga.dyns.net
>
> Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
> having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.
>
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