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* Re: Adding programs
   Adding programs Keith Heltsley
@  ` jwantz
     ` Keith Heltsley
   ` Adding programs Igor Gueths
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: jwantz @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: SpeakUp List

Hi Keith,
Well, first of all how much disk space do you have?  If you have enough 
it might be worthwhile to reinstall with server (you definitely get lynx 
then).  As far as transferring files from your WINDBLOWS machine to 
Linux it depends.  I'll assume that you do not have the two machines 
networked on a LANThen the easiest way is to move files onto a floppy.
To mount a floppy on your linux machine so that it will read M$ WINDOWS:
mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
Then copy the files from the floppy into your favorite Linux directory:
cd /mnt/floppy
cp *.txt ~keith/myfavorites

I hope this helps.

     Jim Wantz
     On 
Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> the newly installed /RedHat box.
> 
> How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> 
> from
> Keith Heltsley
> 
> The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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* Adding programs
@  Keith Heltsley
   ` jwantz
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Keith Heltsley @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: SpeakUp List

I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
the newly installed /RedHat box.

How do import text files that I created in my windows box?

from
Keith Heltsley

The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.




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* Re: Adding programs
     ` Keith Heltsley
@      ` jwantz
       ` Igor Gueths
       ` Janina Sajka
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: jwantz @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi Keith,
Assuming that you have a good /etc/fstab file (install should have done 
this for you) you just need to:
mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
Since I don't like to type any more than I have to I've got the whole 
thing aliased to a three-letter command:
alias mcd='mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom'
This assumes  you are using the bash shell.  You can determine this by 
issuing the following command:
echo $SHELL
Again, bash is the default shell in most distributions of linux 
including Redhat.  If so, then you can place the above alias command 
in/etc/bashrc.  To make the alias to take effect immediately:
source /etc/bashrc
The next time you boot up your machine it'll be there for you as well.
I don't know any linux newbies lists maybe somebody else can help.

      Jim Wantz
On 
Fri, 29 
Mar 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> Thanks for the help with the mount command.  Would that also work to
> view/copy the documentation files from the CDROM?
> 
> Does anyone here have the subscription info to get onto blinux-newbie or a
> similar list? I found it once but can't remember where.
> 
> from
> Keith H.
> 
> Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: Adding programs
   Adding programs Keith Heltsley
   ` jwantz
@  ` Igor Gueths
     ` Charles Hallenbeck
                     ` (2 more replies)
   ` Thomas D. Ward
   ` Adding programs Janina Sajka
  3 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Igor Gueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi Keith. You can get a program called dos2unix, which will convert your text files from win format to a unix format. It is esentially removing the linefeeds and other chars from the file. I forget where to get it, if I find it I'll post the url. I found the site through google though. Hope this helps.

Igor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
To: SpeakUp List <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: Adding programs


> I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> the newly installed /RedHat box.
> 
> How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> 
> from
> Keith Heltsley
> 
> The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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* Re: Adding programs
     ` Keith Heltsley
       ` jwantz
@      ` Igor Gueths
       ` Janina Sajka
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Igor Gueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi Kieth. Well if your cdrom is hdc like mine is, then just type: mount /dev/hdc /mnt. Then to copy the documentation, just change to that directory and type: cp *.txt /favorite/linux/dir, where /your/favorite/linux/dir is something like /home. Hope this helps. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Adding programs


> Thanks for the help with the mount command.  Would that also work to
> view/copy the documentation files from the CDROM?
> 
> Does anyone here have the subscription info to get onto blinux-newbie or a
> similar list? I found it once but can't remember where.
> 
> from
> Keith H.
> 
> Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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* Re: Adding programs
   ` Adding programs Igor Gueths
@    ` Charles Hallenbeck
       ` Igor Gueths
     ` Georgina Joyce
     ` Janina Sajka
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Charles Hallenbeck @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Igor -
My Slackware distro comes with "fromdos" and "todos" which
perform that conversion.
Chuck



On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi Keith. You can get a program called dos2unix, which will convert your text files from win format to a unix format. It is esentially removing the linefeeds and other chars from the file. I forget where to get it, if I find it I'll post the url. I found the site through google though. Hope this helps.
>
> Igor
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
> To: SpeakUp List <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:27 PM
> Subject: Adding programs
>
>
> > I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> > and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> > the newly installed /RedHat box.
> >
> > How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> >
> > from
> > Keith Heltsley
> >
> > The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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* Re: Adding programs
   ` jwantz
@    ` Keith Heltsley
       ` jwantz
                       ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Keith Heltsley @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Thanks for the help with the mount command.  Would that also work to
view/copy the documentation files from the CDROM?

Does anyone here have the subscription info to get onto blinux-newbie or a
similar list? I found it once but can't remember where.

from
Keith H.

Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.




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* Re: Adding programs
     ` Charles Hallenbeck
@      ` Igor Gueths
         ` jwantz
         ` Adding programs Keith Heltsley
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Igor Gueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi Chuck. I was just assuming the fact that he didn't have fromdos and todos. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles Hallenbeck <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Adding programs


> Igor -
> My Slackware distro comes with "fromdos" and "todos" which
> perform that conversion.
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:
> 
> > Hi Keith. You can get a program called dos2unix, which will convert your text files from win format to a unix format. It is esentially removing the linefeeds and other chars from the file. I forget where to get it, if I find it I'll post the url. I found the site through google though. Hope this helps.
> >
> > Igor
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
> > To: SpeakUp List <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:27 PM
> > Subject: Adding programs
> >
> >
> > > I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> > > and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> > > the newly installed /RedHat box.
> > >
> > > How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> > >
> > > from
> > > Keith Heltsley
> > >
> > > The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> 
> Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
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* Re: Adding programs
       ` Igor Gueths
@        ` jwantz
           ` Toby Fisher
         ` Adding programs Keith Heltsley
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: jwantz @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi Guys,
No, I don't think he does.  I have dos2unix and unix2dos.  
Unfortunately, I don't remember if they were in the original Redhat 
install.  Since I now use apt-get install just like you guys running 
Debian I tend to forget these things.  (a big grin of pleasure)

      Jim Wantz


  On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Igor Gueths 
wrote:

> Hi Chuck. I was just assuming the fact that he didn't have fromdos and todos. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Charles Hallenbeck <hallenbeck@valstar.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 3:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Adding programs
> 
> 
> > Igor -
> > My Slackware distro comes with "fromdos" and "todos" which
> > perform that conversion.
> > Chuck
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Keith. You can get a program called dos2unix, which will convert your text files from win format to a unix format. It is esentially removing the linefeeds and other chars from the file. I forget where to get it, if I find it I'll post the url. I found the site through google though. Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Igor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
> > > To: SpeakUp List <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:27 PM
> > > Subject: Adding programs
> > >
> > >
> > > > I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> > > > and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> > > > the newly installed /RedHat box.
> > > >
> > > > How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> > > >
> > > > from
> > > > Keith Heltsley
> > > >
> > > > The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
> > The Moon is Waning Gibbous (98% of Full)
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
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* RE: Adding programs
   ` Adding programs Igor Gueths
     ` Charles Hallenbeck
@    ` Georgina Joyce
     ` Janina Sajka
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Georgina Joyce @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi

I like Notespad, its a very good replacement for notepad and allows you to
do a number of cool things.  Including dos to unix and unix to dos.

Welcome to Notespad! That's Notespad with an S!

When you get a chance, please press F1 for help and then go to the "Using
Notespad as Notepad" topic for information on how to make Notespad replace
your Windows Notepad. Of course this is optional - but quite useful! Then
please go to the "Introduction to Notespad" topic to check out some of
Notespad's neat features.

If you want free Notespad dictionary files and additional text clip category
files, you can pick them up at www.BremerCorp.com.

Notespad is freeware. Do not sell it to anyone, but give it to everyone.
Enjoy!

Please see the WhatsNew.txt file for recent improvements.

-Bremer Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Igor Gueths
Sent: 29 March 2002 19:41
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Adding programs


Hi Keith. You can get a program called dos2unix, which will convert your
text files from win format to a unix format. It is esentially removing the
linefeeds and other chars from the file. I forget where to get it, if I find
it I'll post the url. I found the site through google though. Hope this
helps.

Igor
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
To: SpeakUp List <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:27 PM
Subject: Adding programs


> I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> the newly installed /RedHat box.
>
> How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
>
> from
> Keith Heltsley
>
> The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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* Re: Adding programs
   Adding programs Keith Heltsley
   ` jwantz
   ` Adding programs Igor Gueths
@  ` Thomas D. Ward
     ` Urgent please help! Thomas Ward
   ` Adding programs Janina Sajka
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Thomas D. Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: SpeakUp List

Hi, assuming red Hat didn't ready put them in you could use rpm to install 
them.

Find the rpm files you need and do a:

rpm -iv programname.i386.rpm

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> the newly installed /RedHat box.
> 
> How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> 
> from
> Keith Heltsley
> 
> The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 



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* Re: Adding programs
       ` Igor Gueths
         ` jwantz
@        ` Keith Heltsley
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Keith Heltsley @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

I've been busily reading doc all afternoon. Thanks for the info on getting
to the floppy and CD drives.

I'm still looking for a way to add packages. I found something in linux-faq
about it but doesn't RedHat have a RPM tool or something to facilitate
matters?

So far, I'm pretty impressed with SpeakUp and the way it works. I just gotta
get used to the navigation and stop using the NumPad like it was Jaws.
*grin*

If I hit anymore snags with things, I'll give you all a yell.

from
Keith H.

The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.




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* Re: Adding programs
   Adding programs Keith Heltsley
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
   ` Thomas D. Ward
@  ` Janina Sajka
     ` Keith Heltsley
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: SpeakUp List

You have two choices about text files on floppies:

1.)	Copy them into a directory on your hard drive using mcopy. Do 
mcopy to learn about mtools commands.

2.)	Mount the floppy and read them directly. This would be a command 
something like:

	mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy

PS: You should probably also learn about unix2dos and dos2unix. Again, the 
man page for these commands will help.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Keith Heltsley wrote:

> I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> the newly installed /RedHat box.
> 
> How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> 
> from
> Keith Heltsley
> 
> The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org



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* Re: Adding programs
     ` Keith Heltsley
       ` jwantz
       ` Igor Gueths
@      ` Janina Sajka
         ` speakup mailing list randy turner
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

You want to do a similar thing to your CD ROM. You want to mount it:

mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom 

is very likely all the command you'll need.

Once mounted, all the HOWTO files will be accessible in their own 
directory. Under RedHat/RPMS (note the capital letters, and use tab 
completion to make it easy on yourself), you'll find all kinds of rpms 
that will install documentation on your harddrive:

rpm -iv *

should take care of installing all of them.

PS: you might want to look at /usr/share/doc to see what docs are already 
installed. Also, you might want to create a symbolic link to this 
directory as follows:

ln -sf /usr/share/doc /usr/doc

in order to ensure that all docs end up in the same tree as you install 
new applications. 

 On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, 
Keith Heltsley wrote:

> Thanks for the help with the mount command.  Would that also work to
> view/copy the documentation files from the CDROM?
> 
> Does anyone here have the subscription info to get onto blinux-newbie or a
> similar list? I found it once but can't remember where.
> 
> from
> Keith H.
> 
> Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org



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* Re: Adding programs
   ` Adding programs Igor Gueths
     ` Charles Hallenbeck
     ` Georgina Joyce
@    ` Janina Sajka
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

He doesn't need to get it because he already has it. He just needs to know 
to use it. It's included in the distro he installed.

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi Keith. You can get a program called dos2unix, which will convert your text files from win format to a unix format. It is esentially removing the linefeeds and other chars from the file. I forget where to get it, if I find it I'll post the url. I found the site through google though. Hope this helps.
> 
> Igor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Keith Heltsley <keithh432@yahoo.com>
> To: SpeakUp List <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:27 PM
> Subject: Adding programs
> 
> 
> > I managed to spend some time at my windows machine to look at some howto's
> > and other docs. I still don't know how to get lynx and emacspeak loaded on
> > the newly installed /RedHat box.
> > 
> > How do import text files that I created in my windows box?
> > 
> > from
> > Keith Heltsley
> > 
> > The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
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* Urgent please help!
   ` Thomas D. Ward
@    ` Thomas Ward
       ` Janina Sajka
                       ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup; +Cc: awesome-dave1

Hello, everyone. I have an emergency and like to have some help as soon as
humanly possible Ok, here is the deal.
For some reason my Red Hat 7.2 box got locked up, and after rebooting the
file system got fried. Needless to say it contains all my important
information, as well as mp3s, books, etc.Reinstalling Red Hat this time is
not an option. Also I need to replace my burner, because of problems with
it, and so backing up the drive at this point is also impossible, and I need
to know of any tools to fix this problem.
Is there any type of sscandisk like programs to fix the file system. Tell me
what I need, where to get it, and how to use it, because I've never had this
problem before.
Thanks, and please, please, someone help me. I need to fix this problem as
soon as possible.

.




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* Re: Urgent please help!
     ` Urgent please help! Thomas Ward
@      ` Janina Sajka
         ` Thomas Ward
       ` Geoff Shang
                       ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup; +Cc: awesome-dave1

OK, calm down, it's probably not as bad as you think, though I can 
certainly understand that whatever has happened is unerving you.

First, let's take up first things. What exactly do you mean "fried?" I 
don't believe there is such an error message. So, do you eactually mean 
cumbusted in some kind of conflagration? Or is this a more prosaic problem 
that we can probably rescue with linux rescue or single user mode? Do you 
know about those?

Most to the point, what is the error message? What doesn't work.

 On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hello, everyone. I have an emergency and like to have some help as soon as
> humanly possible Ok, here is the deal.
> For some reason my Red Hat 7.2 box got locked up, and after rebooting the
> file system got fried. Needless to say it contains all my important
> information, as well as mp3s, books, etc.Reinstalling Red Hat this time is
> not an option. Also I need to replace my burner, because of problems with
> it, and so backing up the drive at this point is also impossible, and I need
> to know of any tools to fix this problem.
> Is there any type of sscandisk like programs to fix the file system. Tell me
> what I need, where to get it, and how to use it, because I've never had this
> problem before.
> Thanks, and please, please, someone help me. I need to fix this problem as
> soon as possible.
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
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* Re: Urgent please help!
     ` Urgent please help! Thomas Ward
       ` Janina Sajka
@      ` Geoff Shang
         ` Thomas Ward
       ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
       ` Igor Gueths
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Geoff Shang @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi:

Linux does have a scandisk type program, it's called fsck and should run
automatically.

I'm going to assume you're using an ext2 filesystem.  Can't help you if
you're not, sorry, though others probably can.

I'm also going to assume the fsck failed and it asked you to enter the root
password for maintenance.  Do this and you'll enter single user mode.  Then
run fsck manually on the root device that it failed on. It's a good idea to
use the -y switch so that it doesn't prompt you for everything, this can be
tedious if you don't do this.  so if your root FS is /dev/hda1, type:

fsck -y /dev/hda1

After it fixes everything, exit single user mode and the machine should go
on to boot normally.

If this is not what happened, let us know what the error was in as much
detail as possible.

Geoff.


-- 
Geoff Shang <gshang@uq.net.au>
ICQ number 43634701

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html




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* Re: Urgent please help!
     ` Urgent please help! Thomas Ward
       ` Janina Sajka
       ` Geoff Shang
@      ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
       ` Igor Gueths
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup; +Cc: awesome-dave1

Hi,

     Either call me at the number at the top of this message or send me 
yours.  I should be able to help you get up and running.  Same goes for 
Jared.



          Bill in Denver

On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hello, everyone. I have an emergency and like to have some help as soon as
> humanly possible Ok, here is the deal.
> For some reason my Red Hat 7.2 box got locked up, and after rebooting the
> file system got fried. Needless to say it contains all my important
> information, as well as mp3s, books, etc.Reinstalling Red Hat this time is
> not an option. Also I need to replace my burner, because of problems with
> it, and so backing up the drive at this point is also impossible, and I need
> to know of any tools to fix this problem.
> Is there any type of sscandisk like programs to fix the file system. Tell me
> what I need, where to get it, and how to use it, because I've never had this
> problem before.
> Thanks, and please, please, someone help me. I need to fix this problem as
> soon as possible.
> 
> .
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 



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* Re: Urgent please help!
       ` Janina Sajka
@        ` Thomas Ward
           ` Kerry Hoath
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hello, ok here is what is up with my drive. It will boot, but it has alot of
input output errors. Also when logging into root all it says is bash and the
bash version. No matter what you type.
When I tried running shutdown with the -h now option it says program not
found.
Also it gives me input output errors when trying to mount /mnt/floppy and
/mnt/cdrom.
Everything was working fine until my system locked up, and I was forced to
switch it off manually. After that everything has been acting weird, and it
refuses to shutt itself down properly.




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* Re: Urgent please help!
     ` Urgent please help! Thomas Ward
                       ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
       ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123
@      ` Igor Gueths
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Igor Gueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi Thomas. Do you happen to have any boot floppies to boot a rescue
kernel? How exactly did your redhat box lock up? I think I can help you, I
just need a little more detail. Can you not boot from the hard disk? Do
you get any fs-type errors? Do you get a vfs kernel panic that it can't
mount the root filesystem? Or does the system just hang at boot-time? If
you had a distro such as Debian, FSCK would take
care of most filesystem problems. However, I am not sure as to what type
of filesystem tools that Redhat uses. I can try to look this up though.
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hello, everyone. I have an emergency and like to have some help as soon as
> humanly possible Ok, here is the deal.
> For some reason my Red Hat 7.2 box got locked up, and after rebooting the
> file system got fried. Needless to say it contains all my important
> information, as well as mp3s, books, etc.Reinstalling Red Hat this time is
> not an option. Also I need to replace my burner, because of problems with
> it, and so backing up the drive at this point is also impossible, and I need
> to know of any tools to fix this problem.
> Is there any type of sscandisk like programs to fix the file system. Tell me
> what I need, where to get it, and how to use it, because I've never had this
> problem before.
> Thanks, and please, please, someone help me. I need to fix this problem as
> soon as possible.
>
> .
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>



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* Re: Adding programs
   ` Adding programs Janina Sajka
@    ` Keith Heltsley
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Keith Heltsley @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Thanks for the info on the mcopy commands. It took a little doing, but I did
manage to mount the floppy, and CDROM too, and was able to do a cp to get
what I needed transfered.
from
Keith H.


--- You Wrote ---
You have two choices about text files on floppies:
1.) Copy them into a directory on your hard drive using mcopy. Do
mcopy to learn about mtools commands.
2.) Mount the floppy and read them directly. This would be a command
something like:
mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
PS: You should probably also learn about unix2dos and dos2unix. Again, the
man page for these commands will help.



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* Re: Urgent please help!
         ` Thomas Ward
@          ` Kerry Hoath
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Kerry Hoath @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

/mnt/floppy is the floppy drive and /mnt/cdrom is your cdrom.
If you are getting i/o erros on the hard disk like
hda: i/o error sector nnnnn uncorrectable error drive ready seek complete
you have a hard disk that has failed. It has probably exceeded the bad sector
count that can be a utomatically be remapped by the drive.
You might get things off the drive but it's a case of backing up what you n_need_ to keep
and backing up more often.
I have had plenty of drives fail in my time,
if you have no backups you just get drunk and deal with the loss next day :-)

Regards, Kerry.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 08:17:46PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hello, ok here is what is up with my drive. It will boot, but it has alot of
> input output errors. Also when logging into root all it says is bash and the
> bash version. No matter what you type.
> When I tried running shutdown with the -h now option it says program not
> found.
> Also it gives me input output errors when trying to mount /mnt/floppy and
> /mnt/cdrom.
> Everything was working fine until my system locked up, and I was forced to
> switch it off manually. After that everything has been acting weird, and it
> refuses to shutt itself down properly.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
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ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au


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* Re: Urgent please help!
       ` Geoff Shang
@        ` Thomas Ward
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Ok, I am back up and running. Thanks for the help everyone.
There may be a problem with my drive, and I'm going to check it out. So I am
going to get my cdrw replaced as soon as possible so I can backup everything
before my hard drive  possably goes down.




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* Re: Adding programs
         ` jwantz
@          ` Toby Fisher
             ` Igor Gueths
             ` Where to go now Jared
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Toby Fisher @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:

> No, I don't think he does.  I have dos2unix and unix2dos.
> Unfortunately, I don't remember if they were in the original Redhat
> install.  Since I now use apt-get install just like you guys running
> Debian I tend to forget these things.  (a big grin of pleasure)

Hi all.

I realise of course that fromdos, dos2unix etc are great, but if they're
not present, what's wrong with tr?
In case anyone hasn't heard of tr, well it's just great, for all sorts of
things, mostly in scripts, but check out the man page, you can do all
sorts of stuff, like change the case of characters, remove large amounts
of blank space, whatever.  It's probably one of my favourite tools for
manipulating text files.

HTH

-- 
Toby Fisher	Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
ICQ: #61744808




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* speakup mailing list
       ` Janina Sajka
@        ` randy turner
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: randy turner @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Janina Sajka; +Cc: speakup


hi,

i was just wondering,
is the list down?
i have not recieved any messages from the list for a while now.
thanks
randy




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* Re: Adding programs
           ` Toby Fisher
@            ` Igor Gueths
             ` Where to go now Jared
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Igor Gueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi Toby. Thanks for the info on that utility, I'll check it out when I get
around to it. It sounds really interesting though.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2002, Toby Fisher wrote:

> On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
>
> > No, I don't think he does.  I have dos2unix and unix2dos.
> > Unfortunately, I don't remember if they were in the original Redhat
> > install.  Since I now use apt-get install just like you guys running
> > Debian I tend to forget these things.  (a big grin of pleasure)
>
> Hi all.
>
> I realise of course that fromdos, dos2unix etc are great, but if they're
> not present, what's wrong with tr?
> In case anyone hasn't heard of tr, well it's just great, for all sorts of
> things, mostly in scripts, but check out the man page, you can do all
> sorts of stuff, like change the case of characters, remove large amounts
> of blank space, whatever.  It's probably one of my favourite tools for
> manipulating text files.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Toby Fisher	Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Where to go now
           ` Toby Fisher
             ` Igor Gueths
@            ` Jared
               ` Toby Fisher
                               ` (3 more replies)
  1 sibling, 4 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Jared @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hello I got zipspeak from the ftp sight since after messing arround with
partitions and not setting the write one active I didn't get redhat
installed. I think I will use zipspeak for a little while and install debian
on my 4 gig d drive since it is smaller then redhat if I like it. My
question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. I've
been listening to the look at linux series on acb radio and that has helped
but where do I go for stuff like how to use the vi text editor? Also if
someone could help me out with where to get emacs and the voice engines for
software speack I'd appreciate it.



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* Re: Where to go now
             ` Where to go now Jared
@              ` Toby Fisher
                 ` Jared
               ` Thomas D. Ward
                               ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Toby Fisher @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jared wrote:

> Hello I got zipspeak from the ftp sight since after messing arround with
> partitions and not setting the write one active I didn't get redhat
> installed. I think I will use zipspeak for a little while and install debian
> on my 4 gig d drive since it is smaller then redhat if I like it. My
> question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. I've
> been listening to the look at linux series on acb radio and that has helped
> but where do I go for stuff like how to use the vi text editor? Also if
> someone could help me out with where to get emacs and the voice engines for
> software speack I'd appreciate it.

Okay, well I'll start at the end.

I'm not really an expert on Emacs etc, but Emacs itself, you'd probably be
best to get it from the Slackware ftp site, since you've already installed
Zipspeak, thisshould minimise any compatibility issues etc.  As for speech
engines etc, your best bet is probably to take a look on freshmeat.net, if
you put emacs or emacs-speak into the search engine you should have some
joy.
This is one thing I'd recommend for anything you need to find, even
documentation, as freshmeat will often guide you to a package's web site
which will contain the latest information.

Also, for more general documentation on a range of Linux issues, try
http://www.linuxdoc.org

In addition, I don't know about Zipspeak because I've not used it, but on
my system /usr/doc has loads and loads of directories for individual
packages, as well as 2 great ones called Linux-HOWTOs and
Linux-mini-HOWTOs (note the capitalisation).  Last, but definitely not
least, you can always try typing man <command>.

Hope this helps.

-- 
Toby Fisher	Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
ICQ: #61744808
   Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
   See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html




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* Re: Where to go now
             ` Where to go now Jared
               ` Toby Fisher
@              ` Thomas D. Ward
                 ` 'Georgina'
               ` Doug Lawlor
               ` Alex Snow
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread
From: Thomas D. Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hello. If you want help setting this stuff email me privately. Perhaps we 
can arrange a phone support.
Get yourself a calling card, and I can walk you through setting this stuff 
up.
As for documentation start with linuxdocl.org.
It is a great resource for howtows, faq, and other documentations.
As for emacspeak I'll get that out to you shortly. I had a major problems 
with my machine was unable to get it to you.

On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jared wrote:

> Hello I got zipspeak from the ftp sight since after messing arround with
> partitions and not setting the write one active I didn't get redhat
> installed. I think I will use zipspeak for a little while and install debian
> on my 4 gig d drive since it is smaller then redhat if I like it. My
> question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. I've
> been listening to the look at linux series on acb radio and that has helped
> but where do I go for stuff like how to use the vi text editor? Also if
> someone could help me out with where to get emacs and the voice engines for
> software speack I'd appreciate it.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 



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* RE: Where to go now
                 ` Jared
@                  ` Toby Fisher
                   ` Thomas D. Ward
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Toby Fisher @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Jared wrote:

> I've done the man command and just by looking at some of the stuff its
> helped. This install was about a 30 meg download and I didn't find a lot of
> docs. When I did the man command followed by vi I didn't get anything but
> saw the vi text editor refferenced in the man entry on shutdown. What does
> this mean?

Ok, vi is a bit of an exception to most doc rules.

If you want to look at the man page, try man elvis, and don't be put off
by hat it says about X11.

If you want to read the help, well from within vi you can type :h enter,
but this probably isn't the best way to read it.  Since it's written in
html, you could use lynx, with a command like
lynx file://localhost/usr/share/elvis-2.1_4/elvis.html
not forgetting your favourite command-line switches.
N.b. this is the file called by the help from within vi, so I know it's
the right one.

Vi is just an aliased command or symlink to elvis, by the looks of it.
Actually it's pretty cool, if, for any reason, you shut don uncleanly, you
get an email from Elvis for each file you had open, telling you how to
recover it, neat.

As for grabbing other docs, if you look on the slackware ftp site, in the
slackware-8.0 archive, you should find a directory under Slakware called
something doc1, and I think another one called faq1.  I'd recommend
downloading the contents of these, and then for each file ending in .tgz,
run the following as root:

installpkg <package_name>

Good luck.

Cheers.

-- 
Toby Fisher	Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
ICQ: #61744808
   Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
   See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html




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* RE: Where to go now
                 ` Jared
                   ` Toby Fisher
@                  ` Thomas D. Ward
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Thomas D. Ward @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi, if you want apps for Zipspeak go to the slackware site, and download 
the slackware packages from there fpt site. It works with all the 
slackware distributions.
They have a folder called aps1, get that, also get d1, and n1, and e1.

 On Thu, 4 Apr 2002, Jared wrote:

> I've done the man command and just by looking at some of the stuff its
> helped. This install was about a 30 meg download and I didn't find a lot of
> docs. When I did the man command followed by vi I didn't get anything but
> saw the vi text editor refferenced in the man entry on shutdown. What does
> this mean?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Toby Fisher
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:29 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Where to go now
> 
> 
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jared wrote:
> 
> > Hello I got zipspeak from the ftp sight since after messing arround with
> > partitions and not setting the write one active I didn't get redhat
> > installed. I think I will use zipspeak for a little while and install
> debian
> > on my 4 gig d drive since it is smaller then redhat if I like it. My
> > question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. I've
> > been listening to the look at linux series on acb radio and that has
> helped
> > but where do I go for stuff like how to use the vi text editor? Also if
> > someone could help me out with where to get emacs and the voice engines
> for
> > software speack I'd appreciate it.
> 
> Okay, well I'll start at the end.
> 
> I'm not really an expert on Emacs etc, but Emacs itself, you'd probably be
> best to get it from the Slackware ftp site, since you've already installed
> Zipspeak, thisshould minimise any compatibility issues etc.  As for speech
> engines etc, your best bet is probably to take a look on freshmeat.net, if
> you put emacs or emacs-speak into the search engine you should have some
> joy.
> This is one thing I'd recommend for anything you need to find, even
> documentation, as freshmeat will often guide you to a package's web site
> which will contain the latest information.
> 
> Also, for more general documentation on a range of Linux issues, try
> http://www.linuxdoc.org
> 
> In addition, I don't know about Zipspeak because I've not used it, but on
> my system /usr/doc has loads and loads of directories for individual
> packages, as well as 2 great ones called Linux-HOWTOs and
> Linux-mini-HOWTOs (note the capitalisation).  Last, but definitely not
> least, you can always try typing man <command>.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> --
> Toby Fisher	Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
>    Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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* RE: Where to go now
               ` Toby Fisher
@                ` Jared
                   ` Toby Fisher
                   ` Thomas D. Ward
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Jared @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

I've done the man command and just by looking at some of the stuff its
helped. This install was about a 30 meg download and I didn't find a lot of
docs. When I did the man command followed by vi I didn't get anything but
saw the vi text editor refferenced in the man entry on shutdown. What does
this mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Toby Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:29 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Where to go now


On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jared wrote:

> Hello I got zipspeak from the ftp sight since after messing arround with
> partitions and not setting the write one active I didn't get redhat
> installed. I think I will use zipspeak for a little while and install
debian
> on my 4 gig d drive since it is smaller then redhat if I like it. My
> question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. I've
> been listening to the look at linux series on acb radio and that has
helped
> but where do I go for stuff like how to use the vi text editor? Also if
> someone could help me out with where to get emacs and the voice engines
for
> software speack I'd appreciate it.

Okay, well I'll start at the end.

I'm not really an expert on Emacs etc, but Emacs itself, you'd probably be
best to get it from the Slackware ftp site, since you've already installed
Zipspeak, thisshould minimise any compatibility issues etc.  As for speech
engines etc, your best bet is probably to take a look on freshmeat.net, if
you put emacs or emacs-speak into the search engine you should have some
joy.
This is one thing I'd recommend for anything you need to find, even
documentation, as freshmeat will often guide you to a package's web site
which will contain the latest information.

Also, for more general documentation on a range of Linux issues, try
http://www.linuxdoc.org

In addition, I don't know about Zipspeak because I've not used it, but on
my system /usr/doc has loads and loads of directories for individual
packages, as well as 2 great ones called Linux-HOWTOs and
Linux-mini-HOWTOs (note the capitalisation).  Last, but definitely not
least, you can always try typing man <command>.

Hope this helps.

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* Re: Where to go now
             ` Where to go now Jared
               ` Toby Fisher
               ` Thomas D. Ward
@              ` Doug Lawlor
               ` Alex Snow
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From: Doug Lawlor @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 08:09:52PM -0800, Jared wrote:
> question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. 

The man pages contain a lot of information.  Just type 'man command'
where command is the command you are interested in.  If you are
looking for something you do not know the name of just type 'apropos'
along with a keyword you think the command may be associated with and
you will get a list of entries that have that keyword in there man
pages.  

Doug


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* Re: Where to go now
             ` Where to go now Jared
                               ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
               ` Doug Lawlor
@              ` Alex Snow
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Alex Snow @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

www.linuxdoc.org helps a lot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:09 PM
Subject: Where to go now


> Hello I got zipspeak from the ftp sight since after messing arround with
> partitions and not setting the write one active I didn't get redhat
> installed. I think I will use zipspeak for a little while and install
debian
> on my 4 gig d drive since it is smaller then redhat if I like it. My
> question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. I've
> been listening to the look at linux series on acb radio and that has
helped
> but where do I go for stuff like how to use the vi text editor? Also if
> someone could help me out with where to get emacs and the voice engines
for
> software speack I'd appreciate it.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: Where to go now
               ` Thomas D. Ward
@                ` 'Georgina'
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: 'Georgina' @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hi

Just a note:  If you are going to be looking at emacs and emacspeak, I'd 
forget vi for a while.  The learning curves are steep for each and doubling 
up will only prove to be frustrating.

Because I lost all my data I don't have the URL but there's a really good 
tutorial on the web, from the vi lovers home page, I think but I'm sure 
you'll find it quite easily.

Emacs comes with a tutorial as a part of the package but personally, it's not 
as good as the vi lessons.

Same with the speech solutions, focus on one at a time along with one editor.  
There's not much to learn with Speakup but there's a considerable amount with 
emacspeak.  I suggest you pace yourself and try to deal with as few new 
things as possible.  GNU / Linux is so different to MS products that there's 
a big enough challenge in itself.

Good luck and enjoy

Gena



Blindness Advocacy and Self Help Online www.bashonline.org

>
>Hello. If you want help setting this stuff email me privately. Perhaps we 
>can arrange a phone support.
>Get yourself a calling card, and I can walk you through setting this stuff 
>up.
>As for documentation start with linuxdocl.org.
>It is a great resource for howtows, faq, and other documentations.
>As for emacspeak I'll get that out to you shortly. I had a major problems 
>with my machine was unable to get it to you.
>
>On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jared wrote:
>
>> Hello I got zipspeak from the ftp sight since after messing arround with
>> partitions and not setting the write one active I didn't get redhat
>> installed. I think I will use zipspeak for a little while and install debian
>> on my 4 gig d drive since it is smaller then redhat if I like it. My
>> question is where to go for doccumentation on the packiges included. I've
>> been listening to the look at linux series on acb radio and that has helped
>> but where do I go for stuff like how to use the vi text editor? Also if
>> someone could help me out with where to get emacs and the voice engines for
>> software speack I'd appreciate it.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>
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