More scripting help

More scripting help

[Chris Norman]

Hi people,
I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried the 
following:

for FILE in `locate *.rtf`
do
{
unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt'
rm -f $FILE
}
done

But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but it 
won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned 
properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" error.

Any ideas?

Cheers.

PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf puts 
into the resulting text file, is this possible?

Cheers,

Chris Norman
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Re: More scripting help

[Levi Campbell]

what shell are you using?

On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi people,
> I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried the
> following:
>
> for FILE in `locate *.rtf`
> do
> {
> unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt'
> rm -f $FILE
> }
> done
>
> But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but it
> won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned
> properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" error.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Cheers.
>
> PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf puts
> into the resulting text file, is this possible?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Norman
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>
>
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Re: More scripting help

[Chris Norman]

Bash.

Cheers,

Chris Norman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: More scripting help


> what shell are you using?
>
> On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Hi people,
>> I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried 
>> the
>> following:
>>
>> for FILE in `locate *.rtf`
>> do
>> {
>> unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt'
>> rm -f $FILE
>> }
>> done
>>
>> But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but 
>> it
>> won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned
>> properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" 
>> error.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf 
>> puts
>> into the resulting text file, is this possible?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>
>>
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Re: More scripting help

[Levi Campbell]

then you would do this as follows:

for FILE in 'locate *.rtf'; do unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE'
>'$FILE.txt' && rm -f $FILE; done

On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote:
> Bash.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Norman
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:43 PM
> Subject: Re: More scripting help
>
>
> > what shell are you using?
> >
> > On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote:
> >> Hi people,
> >> I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried
> >> the
> >> following:
> >>
> >> for FILE in `locate *.rtf`
> >> do
> >> {
> >> unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt'
> >> rm -f $FILE
> >> }
> >> done
> >>
> >> But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but
> >> it
> >> won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned
> >> properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file"
> >> error.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf
> >> puts
> >> into the resulting text file, is this possible?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Chris Norman
> >> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >
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Good irc servers

[Marvin Rush]

Does any one know of a good irc server I'm using fedora core 3. So I'd
rather have it in rpm package.

Re: More scripting help

[Chris Norman]

Cheers.

Chris Norman
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: More scripting help


> then you would do this as follows:
>
> for FILE in 'locate *.rtf'; do unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE'
>>'$FILE.txt' && rm -f $FILE; done
>
> On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Bash.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: More scripting help
>>
>>
>> > what shell are you using?
>> >
>> > On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >> Hi people,
>> >> I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I 
>> >> tried
>> >> the
>> >> following:
>> >>
>> >> for FILE in `locate *.rtf`
>> >> do
>> >> {
>> >> unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt'
>> >> rm -f $FILE
>> >> }
>> >> done
>> >>
>> >> But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, 
>> >> but
>> >> it
>> >> won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting 
>> >> asigned
>> >> properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file"
>> >> error.
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers.
>> >>
>> >> PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that 
>> >> unrtf
>> >> puts
>> >> into the resulting text file, is this possible?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Chris Norman
>> >> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>
>> >
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>>
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Re: Good irc servers

[Nick G]

go to www.bircd.org
You don't even have to compile it, just untar, configure, and run.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marvin Rush" <w5mrr@sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:48 PM
Subject: Good irc servers


> Does any one know of a good irc server I'm using fedora core 3. So I'd
> rather have it in rpm package.
>
>
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text editors with elinks or links?

[Karen Lewellen]

Greetings all,
I am wondering about the chances of using  a text editor like pico 
with the javascript browsers elinks or links?
I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for 
comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld.
is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for 
either program?
Thanks,
Karen

Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Trevor Astrope]

bash$ export EDITOR=pico

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Greetings all,
> I am wondering about the chances of using  a text editor like pico
> with the javascript browsers elinks or links?
> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for
> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld.
> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for
> either program?
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
>
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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Karen Lewellen]

where must this command be entered in the program, and which one?
I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that.


On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote:

> bash$ export EDITOR=pico
>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>> I am wondering about the chances of using  a text editor like pico
>> with the javascript browsers elinks or links?
>> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for
>> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld.
>> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for
>> either program?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Trevor Astrope]

Just run that at your shell prompt before you start links or elinks. It 
sets the EDITOR environment variable that elinks will automatically read 
and use as your editor. Just give it a try. If you're not using a bash 
shell, try something like this:

EDITOR=pico ; export EDITOR

or setenv EDITOR pico

One of those should do the trick.

If you don't want to type it every time you login, put it in your 
.bash_profile, .profile or .login, depending on your shell.

Afaik, you can't set the editor within elinks, it can only be changed by 
setting the EDITOR environment variable.

Hth,

Trevor


On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> where must this command be entered in the program, and which one?
> I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that.
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote:
>
>> bash$ export EDITOR=pico
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings all,
>>> I am wondering about the chances of using  a text editor like pico
>>> with the javascript browsers elinks or links?
>>> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for
>>> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld.
>>> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for
>>> either program?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Gregory Nowak]

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This is setting a bash environment variable, so the fragment, minus
the bash$ of course, should go into your $HOME/.bash_profile, or
$HOME/.profile. Note that you'll need to logout, and then log back in
for it to take effect.

Greg


On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:15:43PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> where must this command be entered in the program, and which one?
> I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that.
> 
> 

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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Karen Lewellen]

Thanks for the further clarification.
I will give it a try, first command sample, as I am using shellworld as I 
said.
thanks again,
Karen

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote:

> Just run that at your shell prompt before you start links or elinks. It
> sets the EDITOR environment variable that elinks will automatically read
> and use as your editor. Just give it a try. If you're not using a bash
> shell, try something like this:
>
> EDITOR=pico ; export EDITOR
>
> or setenv EDITOR pico
>
> One of those should do the trick.
>
> If you don't want to type it every time you login, put it in your
> .bash_profile, .profile or .login, depending on your shell.
>
> Afaik, you can't set the editor within elinks, it can only be changed by
> setting the EDITOR environment variable.
>
> Hth,
>
> Trevor
>
>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> where must this command be entered in the program, and which one?
>> I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote:
>>
>>> bash$ export EDITOR=pico
>>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings all,
>>>> I am wondering about the chances of using  a text editor like pico
>>>> with the javascript browsers elinks or links?
>>>> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for
>>>> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld.
>>>> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for
>>>> either program?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Karen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
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>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
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>>
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Re: Good irc servers

[ace]

I do not know of any IRC servers in packages and this is probably a 
good thing.  You can get a good IRCd from www.unrealircd.com.

At 06:48 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote:
>Does any one know of a good irc server I'm using fedora core 3. So I'd
>rather have it in rpm package.
>
>
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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi there,
I am bringing this up again as I have an additional question.
Once the command below is issued, how does one activate the editor when 
sitting on a text window in links the chain?
It is not the one used in lynx the cat  control x then control e.
Still it must be some like keystroke?
Thanks,
Karen

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote:

> bash$ export EDITOR=pico
>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>> I am wondering about the chances of using  a text editor like pico
>> with the javascript browsers elinks or links?
>> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for
>> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld.
>> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for
>> either program?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Kirk Reiser]

I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it
be easier to just check your keymap in links?  You have to ask here
and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your
finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever
application you happen to be using.  In fact, usually the man pages
for a particular application will tell you the information much
quicker than asking here as well.

I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks.

  Kirk

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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Karen Lewellen]

Actually, while I am thankful for the information, I use a shell as I have 
yet to create  my stand alone Linux box.  As a result, especially since 
the shell is freebs, I cannot be certain I have access to things like the 
keymap.
In fact I have been told often that there is a difference between actual 
Linux and  this distribution, for example my admin says he cannot restore 
e-links because it does not work with his setup in its most recent addition 
etc.
  I know how to view and even change my options 
in  lynx the cat, but am unsure where the keymap is in links the chain.
Care to share the command?
Karen

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it
> be easier to just check your keymap in links?  You have to ask here
> and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your
> finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever
> application you happen to be using.  In fact, usually the man pages
> for a particular application will tell you the information much
> quicker than asking here as well.
>
> I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks.
>
>  Kirk
>
> -- 
>
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[propaine]

Kirk's comments here prompt me to make a general set of observations.  I
suspect that I'm not alone in the perspective they express, but of course, I
may indeed be under a dunce cap.

I can't speak for the questioner here, but note that sometimes, sadly, it
does seem better to ask a question on a list like this and await an answer.
Man pages seem to vary a hell of a lot in quality.  I often find them terse
and cryptic, and sometimes barely even a starting point for knowing what to
do.  The sendmail man page on my system, for example, refers me to an
installation and user's guide for the kind of information I need about it,
but says nothing about where the guide is.

Yesterday, I looked at the man page for the Nano editor.  I was reading
about it in a book on Debian, and was curious to see whether my Fedora
system had it.  It does.  The manual gives some info, but, at least as far
as I could tell, doesn't even mention keystrokes for moving around in a
document--not even the page-up and page-down keys mentioned in the Debian
book.  I wondered if maybe you're supposed to know Pico already, since it's
intended to be largely compatible with that editor.  If so, it seems
an idiotic approach, one of those Linux things that seem intended to
perpetuate forever the primacy of Windows.

There is more decent documentation on Linux than there was a few years ago,
when I first tried to understand it.  (Some of it's even quite good!) I
appreciate that very much.  Still, I'm amazed at, say, my inability to get a
clear, precise answer to the question about whether replacing Fedora 2 with
Fedora 5 can be done as an upgrade or requires a full reinstall.  The Fedora
Web site doesn't seem to say.  The several books on Fedora that I have don't
seem to say.  My Linux networking teacher, who said he's been in the Unix
world since Carter was president, couldn't tell me.  From parts of things
I've read on this list and a thing or two I've heard elsewhere, I gather
that one can't leapfrog versions that way.  That's the kind of thing that
should be prominently noted in any documentation about installation or
upgrades, though.  (Incidentally, I'm not singling out Fedora:  I looked for
that sort of information about Debian, but so far haven't seen it.) If the
info's there and I've missed it, it's sure not for lack of willingness to
search and read!

In short, RTFM, as the saying goes, is a good idea, but sometimes it doesn't
work--at least for me.  RTFM should lead to UTFM, but often enough it does
not.  Also, there are times when the M stands for "MISSING INFORMATION."
Yes, I know that documenting in Linux is largely the work of volunteers, but
whatever that says about the generosity of the people, it doesn't make the
stuff more helpful.

If the problem is instead that I'm wearing an impenetrable dunce cap, I of
course welcome any information that will enable to discard this bit of
headgear.

Propaine
From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: text editors with elinks or links?


> I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it
> be easier to just check your keymap in links?  You have to ask here
> and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your
> finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever
> application you happen to be using.  In fact, usually the man pages
> for a particular application will tell you the information much
> quicker than asking here as well.
>
> I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks.
>
>   Kirk
>
> -- 
>
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> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Kirk Reiser]

I am sure there is the odd man page which is not that good
particularly when they wish one to use the info system but in general
man pages are very concise indepth instructions covering the
application it is written for.  Most newbies find them difficult
because they don't usually waste time with verbose bull shit but cover
the points and that's it.  Once a person gets comfortible reading them
one never wants to read more verbose documents in my opinion.

As for comparing documentation between any un*x system with microsoft
products there is no contest Microsoft specializes in writing pages
and pages without saying anything.  Just trying to get the meaning of
an error message in pretty well any Windows app is almost impossible.
Everything in a Un*x/linux system is documented and if all fails
there's always the code to look at for definitive answers.  Sometimes
one needs to do some digging to find the exact documentation but
that's what google and other search facilities are for.

It seems to me that folks often just rather ask a question than to
both learning how to find answers for themselves.  Trust me though it
is much more gratifying to hunt down an answer and learn all the extra
stuff you find while taking the journey.

There are of course times when a person needs to ask questions or find
answers that others have asked in the passed and that is what mailing
list archives and usenet groups are about but finding a keystroke for
example is much easier just looking at the apps configuration
mechanism.  The term RTFM came out of frustration from people having
to answer the same questions over and over and so the answers are
placed in man pages and FAQs.

  Kirk

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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Steve Holmes]

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Propane mentioned the question of skipping versions while doing an
upgrade of a distro.  From personal experience, I know one can skip
versions with Slackware as long as the original version your upgrading
is at least 8.0.  Their docs even imply such.  I must say that upgrading
at smaller increments, skipping as few versions as possible would be
less work and less chance of missing some important minor detail.  But
it is doable just the same.  

Sorry, I have no personal experience with Debian or Red Hat or Fedora
Core.

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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[chuckh]

Couple of minor points:

nano has a help screen. Press F1. The keystrokes are shown, but not 
explained. 
I think the operational term is not RTFM, but RTMF: Read the manual 
first.

or maybe rtfmf.

Chuck

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Re: text editors with elinks or links?

[Karen Lewellen]

I have to agree, especially given the different ways some programs can be 
installed and configured.  If one is using your own setup perhaps, but if a 
shell in this ase you cannot be certain the man files will contain the 
answer desired.
You may find faster an individual in the same situation, or who has 
encountered the situation previously and has an answer.
I offer as example the solution I was given to actually load the editor in 
the first place.
Karen

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, propaine wrote:

> Kirk's comments here prompt me to make a general set of observations.  I
> suspect that I'm not alone in the perspective they express, but of course, I
> may indeed be under a dunce cap.
>
> I can't speak for the questioner here, but note that sometimes, sadly, it
> does seem better to ask a question on a list like this and await an answer.
> Man pages seem to vary a hell of a lot in quality.  I often find them terse
> and cryptic, and sometimes barely even a starting point for knowing what to
> do.  The sendmail man page on my system, for example, refers me to an
> installation and user's guide for the kind of information I need about it,
> but says nothing about where the guide is.
>
> Yesterday, I looked at the man page for the Nano editor.  I was reading
> about it in a book on Debian, and was curious to see whether my Fedora
> system had it.  It does.  The manual gives some info, but, at least as far
> as I could tell, doesn't even mention keystrokes for moving around in a
> document--not even the page-up and page-down keys mentioned in the Debian
> book.  I wondered if maybe you're supposed to know Pico already, since it's
> intended to be largely compatible with that editor.  If so, it seems
> an idiotic approach, one of those Linux things that seem intended to
> perpetuate forever the primacy of Windows.
>
> There is more decent documentation on Linux than there was a few years ago,
> when I first tried to understand it.  (Some of it's even quite good!) I
> appreciate that very much.  Still, I'm amazed at, say, my inability to get a
> clear, precise answer to the question about whether replacing Fedora 2 with
> Fedora 5 can be done as an upgrade or requires a full reinstall.  The Fedora
> Web site doesn't seem to say.  The several books on Fedora that I have don't
> seem to say.  My Linux networking teacher, who said he's been in the Unix
> world since Carter was president, couldn't tell me.  From parts of things
> I've read on this list and a thing or two I've heard elsewhere, I gather
> that one can't leapfrog versions that way.  That's the kind of thing that
> should be prominently noted in any documentation about installation or
> upgrades, though.  (Incidentally, I'm not singling out Fedora:  I looked for
> that sort of information about Debian, but so far haven't seen it.) If the
> info's there and I've missed it, it's sure not for lack of willingness to
> search and read!
>
> In short, RTFM, as the saying goes, is a good idea, but sometimes it doesn't
> work--at least for me.  RTFM should lead to UTFM, but often enough it does
> not.  Also, there are times when the M stands for "MISSING INFORMATION."
> Yes, I know that documenting in Linux is largely the work of volunteers, but
> whatever that says about the generosity of the people, it doesn't make the
> stuff more helpful.
>
> If the problem is instead that I'm wearing an impenetrable dunce cap, I of
> course welcome any information that will enable to discard this bit of
> headgear.
>
> Propaine
> From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: text editors with elinks or links?
>
>
>> I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it
>> be easier to just check your keymap in links?  You have to ask here
>> and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your
>> finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever
>> application you happen to be using.  In fact, usually the man pages
>> for a particular application will tell you the information much
>> quicker than asking here as well.
>>
>> I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks.
>>
>>   Kirk
>>
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