* More scripting help
@ Chris Norman
` Levi Campbell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Chris Norman @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi people,
I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried the
following:
for FILE in `locate *.rtf`
do
{
unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt'
rm -f $FILE
}
done
But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but it
won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned
properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" error.
Any ideas?
Cheers.
PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf puts
into the resulting text file, is this possible?
Cheers,
Chris Norman
<!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread* Re: More scripting help More scripting help Chris Norman @ ` Levi Campbell ` Chris Norman ` Good irc servers Marvin Rush 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Levi Campbell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. what shell are you using? On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi people, > I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried the > following: > > for FILE in `locate *.rtf` > do > { > unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt' > rm -f $FILE > } > done > > But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but it > won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned > properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" error. > > Any ideas? > > Cheers. > > PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf puts > into the resulting text file, is this possible? > > Cheers, > > Chris Norman > <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: More scripting help ` Levi Campbell @ ` Chris Norman ` Levi Campbell ` text editors with elinks or links? Karen Lewellen ` Good irc servers Marvin Rush 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Chris Norman @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Bash. Cheers, Chris Norman <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:43 PM Subject: Re: More scripting help > what shell are you using? > > On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote: >> Hi people, >> I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried >> the >> following: >> >> for FILE in `locate *.rtf` >> do >> { >> unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt' >> rm -f $FILE >> } >> done >> >> But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but >> it >> won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned >> properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" >> error. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> Cheers. >> >> PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf >> puts >> into the resulting text file, is this possible? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris Norman >> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: More scripting help ` Chris Norman @ ` Levi Campbell ` Chris Norman ` text editors with elinks or links? Karen Lewellen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Levi Campbell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. then you would do this as follows: for FILE in 'locate *.rtf'; do unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt' && rm -f $FILE; done On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote: > Bash. > > Cheers, > > Chris Norman > <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:43 PM > Subject: Re: More scripting help > > > > what shell are you using? > > > > On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote: > >> Hi people, > >> I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I tried > >> the > >> following: > >> > >> for FILE in `locate *.rtf` > >> do > >> { > >> unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt' > >> rm -f $FILE > >> } > >> done > >> > >> But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, but > >> it > >> won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting asigned > >> properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" > >> error. > >> > >> Any ideas? > >> > >> Cheers. > >> > >> PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that unrtf > >> puts > >> into the resulting text file, is this possible? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Chris Norman > >> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: More scripting help ` Levi Campbell @ ` Chris Norman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Chris Norman @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Cheers. Chris Norman <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:48 PM Subject: Re: More scripting help > then you would do this as follows: > > for FILE in 'locate *.rtf'; do unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >>'$FILE.txt' && rm -f $FILE; done > > On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote: >> Bash. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Chris Norman >> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Levi Campbell" <levicc00123@gmail.com> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:43 PM >> Subject: Re: More scripting help >> >> >> > what shell are you using? >> > >> > On 4/22/06, Chris Norman <cnorman@rnibncw.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi people, >> >> I want to change all the RTF files on my computer into TXT ones. I >> >> tried >> >> the >> >> following: >> >> >> >> for FILE in `locate *.rtf` >> >> do >> >> { >> >> unrtf --nopics --text '$FILE' >'$FILE.txt' >> >> rm -f $FILE >> >> } >> >> done >> >> >> >> But I have a problem, unrtf says there's an error opening the file, >> >> but >> >> it >> >> won't give me a name, so I don't know if my variable is getting >> >> asigned >> >> properly, I just know that for every file, I get a "Can't open file" >> >> error. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> >> >> PS: I would also like to avoid (if at all possible) the crap that >> >> unrtf >> >> puts >> >> into the resulting text file, is this possible? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Chris Norman >> >> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com --> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Speakup mailing list >> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* text editors with elinks or links? ` Chris Norman ` Levi Campbell @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Trevor Astrope 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: blind Linux discussion list; +Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Greetings all, I am wondering about the chances of using a text editor like pico with the javascript browsers elinks or links? I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld. is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for either program? Thanks, Karen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` text editors with elinks or links? Karen Lewellen @ ` Trevor Astrope ` Karen Lewellen ` Karen Lewellen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Trevor Astrope @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. bash$ export EDITOR=pico On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Greetings all, > I am wondering about the chances of using a text editor like pico > with the javascript browsers elinks or links? > I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for > comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld. > is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for > either program? > Thanks, > Karen > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Trevor Astrope @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Trevor Astrope ` Gregory Nowak ` Karen Lewellen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. where must this command be entered in the program, and which one? I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that. On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote: > bash$ export EDITOR=pico > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> I am wondering about the chances of using a text editor like pico >> with the javascript browsers elinks or links? >> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for >> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld. >> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for >> either program? >> Thanks, >> Karen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Trevor Astrope ` Karen Lewellen ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Trevor Astrope @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Just run that at your shell prompt before you start links or elinks. It sets the EDITOR environment variable that elinks will automatically read and use as your editor. Just give it a try. If you're not using a bash shell, try something like this: EDITOR=pico ; export EDITOR or setenv EDITOR pico One of those should do the trick. If you don't want to type it every time you login, put it in your .bash_profile, .profile or .login, depending on your shell. Afaik, you can't set the editor within elinks, it can only be changed by setting the EDITOR environment variable. Hth, Trevor On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote: > where must this command be entered in the program, and which one? > I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that. > > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote: > >> bash$ export EDITOR=pico >> >> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> >>> Greetings all, >>> I am wondering about the chances of using a text editor like pico >>> with the javascript browsers elinks or links? >>> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for >>> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld. >>> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for >>> either program? >>> Thanks, >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Trevor Astrope @ ` Karen Lewellen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thanks for the further clarification. I will give it a try, first command sample, as I am using shellworld as I said. thanks again, Karen On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote: > Just run that at your shell prompt before you start links or elinks. It > sets the EDITOR environment variable that elinks will automatically read > and use as your editor. Just give it a try. If you're not using a bash > shell, try something like this: > > EDITOR=pico ; export EDITOR > > or setenv EDITOR pico > > One of those should do the trick. > > If you don't want to type it every time you login, put it in your > .bash_profile, .profile or .login, depending on your shell. > > Afaik, you can't set the editor within elinks, it can only be changed by > setting the EDITOR environment variable. > > Hth, > > Trevor > > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> where must this command be entered in the program, and which one? >> I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that. >> >> >> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote: >> >>> bash$ export EDITOR=pico >>> >>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>>> Greetings all, >>>> I am wondering about the chances of using a text editor like pico >>>> with the javascript browsers elinks or links? >>>> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for >>>> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld. >>>> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for >>>> either program? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Karen >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Speakup mailing list >>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Speakup mailing list >>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Karen Lewellen ` Trevor Astrope @ ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is setting a bash environment variable, so the fragment, minus the bash$ of course, should go into your $HOME/.bash_profile, or $HOME/.profile. Note that you'll need to logout, and then log back in for it to take effect. Greg On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:15:43PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > where must this command be entered in the program, and which one? > I know I can run pico from my home directory, but I am not talking of that. > > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFESuy87s9z/XlyUyARAgbDAJ9prAmXmfgSSkf0OeOCVzhTIq/UIwCgpDB6 EwPm/4Of0fNn77/ip6rta5Y= =dN+j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Trevor Astrope ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Karen Lewellen ` Kirk Reiser 1 sibling, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi there, I am bringing this up again as I have an additional question. Once the command below is issued, how does one activate the editor when sitting on a text window in links the chain? It is not the one used in lynx the cat control x then control e. Still it must be some like keystroke? Thanks, Karen On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Trevor Astrope wrote: > bash$ export EDITOR=pico > > On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> I am wondering about the chances of using a text editor like pico >> with the javascript browsers elinks or links? >> I know this can be done with Lynx the cat, as it is used as the editor for >> comments and message windows I encounter when using it at Shellworld. >> is there a place to list the editor of choice in the configurations for >> either program? >> Thanks, >> Karen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Karen Lewellen @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Karen Lewellen ` propaine 0 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it be easier to just check your keymap in links? You have to ask here and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever application you happen to be using. In fact, usually the man pages for a particular application will tell you the information much quicker than asking here as well. I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Karen Lewellen ` propaine 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Actually, while I am thankful for the information, I use a shell as I have yet to create my stand alone Linux box. As a result, especially since the shell is freebs, I cannot be certain I have access to things like the keymap. In fact I have been told often that there is a difference between actual Linux and this distribution, for example my admin says he cannot restore e-links because it does not work with his setup in its most recent addition etc. I know how to view and even change my options in lynx the cat, but am unsure where the keymap is in links the chain. Care to share the command? Karen On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Kirk Reiser wrote: > I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it > be easier to just check your keymap in links? You have to ask here > and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your > finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever > application you happen to be using. In fact, usually the man pages > for a particular application will tell you the information much > quicker than asking here as well. > > I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks. > > Kirk > > -- > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Kirk Reiser ` Karen Lewellen @ ` propaine ` Kirk Reiser ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: propaine @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Kirk's comments here prompt me to make a general set of observations. I suspect that I'm not alone in the perspective they express, but of course, I may indeed be under a dunce cap. I can't speak for the questioner here, but note that sometimes, sadly, it does seem better to ask a question on a list like this and await an answer. Man pages seem to vary a hell of a lot in quality. I often find them terse and cryptic, and sometimes barely even a starting point for knowing what to do. The sendmail man page on my system, for example, refers me to an installation and user's guide for the kind of information I need about it, but says nothing about where the guide is. Yesterday, I looked at the man page for the Nano editor. I was reading about it in a book on Debian, and was curious to see whether my Fedora system had it. It does. The manual gives some info, but, at least as far as I could tell, doesn't even mention keystrokes for moving around in a document--not even the page-up and page-down keys mentioned in the Debian book. I wondered if maybe you're supposed to know Pico already, since it's intended to be largely compatible with that editor. If so, it seems an idiotic approach, one of those Linux things that seem intended to perpetuate forever the primacy of Windows. There is more decent documentation on Linux than there was a few years ago, when I first tried to understand it. (Some of it's even quite good!) I appreciate that very much. Still, I'm amazed at, say, my inability to get a clear, precise answer to the question about whether replacing Fedora 2 with Fedora 5 can be done as an upgrade or requires a full reinstall. The Fedora Web site doesn't seem to say. The several books on Fedora that I have don't seem to say. My Linux networking teacher, who said he's been in the Unix world since Carter was president, couldn't tell me. From parts of things I've read on this list and a thing or two I've heard elsewhere, I gather that one can't leapfrog versions that way. That's the kind of thing that should be prominently noted in any documentation about installation or upgrades, though. (Incidentally, I'm not singling out Fedora: I looked for that sort of information about Debian, but so far haven't seen it.) If the info's there and I've missed it, it's sure not for lack of willingness to search and read! In short, RTFM, as the saying goes, is a good idea, but sometimes it doesn't work--at least for me. RTFM should lead to UTFM, but often enough it does not. Also, there are times when the M stands for "MISSING INFORMATION." Yes, I know that documenting in Linux is largely the work of volunteers, but whatever that says about the generosity of the people, it doesn't make the stuff more helpful. If the problem is instead that I'm wearing an impenetrable dunce cap, I of course welcome any information that will enable to discard this bit of headgear. Propaine From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: text editors with elinks or links? > I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it > be easier to just check your keymap in links? You have to ask here > and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your > finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever > application you happen to be using. In fact, usually the man pages > for a particular application will tell you the information much > quicker than asking here as well. > > I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks. > > Kirk > > -- > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` propaine @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Steve Holmes ` chuckh ` Karen Lewellen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I am sure there is the odd man page which is not that good particularly when they wish one to use the info system but in general man pages are very concise indepth instructions covering the application it is written for. Most newbies find them difficult because they don't usually waste time with verbose bull shit but cover the points and that's it. Once a person gets comfortible reading them one never wants to read more verbose documents in my opinion. As for comparing documentation between any un*x system with microsoft products there is no contest Microsoft specializes in writing pages and pages without saying anything. Just trying to get the meaning of an error message in pretty well any Windows app is almost impossible. Everything in a Un*x/linux system is documented and if all fails there's always the code to look at for definitive answers. Sometimes one needs to do some digging to find the exact documentation but that's what google and other search facilities are for. It seems to me that folks often just rather ask a question than to both learning how to find answers for themselves. Trust me though it is much more gratifying to hunt down an answer and learn all the extra stuff you find while taking the journey. There are of course times when a person needs to ask questions or find answers that others have asked in the passed and that is what mailing list archives and usenet groups are about but finding a keystroke for example is much easier just looking at the apps configuration mechanism. The term RTFM came out of frustration from people having to answer the same questions over and over and so the answers are placed in man pages and FAQs. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Steve Holmes 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Propane mentioned the question of skipping versions while doing an upgrade of a distro. From personal experience, I know one can skip versions with Slackware as long as the original version your upgrading is at least 8.0. Their docs even imply such. I must say that upgrading at smaller increments, skipping as few versions as possible would be less work and less chance of missing some important minor detail. But it is doable just the same. Sorry, I have no personal experience with Debian or Red Hat or Fedora Core. - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEzjvWWSjv55S0LfERA+ItAKDMRZZKxFzwPLsb1Fgwf6fdpzk1aQCcCfF2 q5vIa2KlafgTY8ftfw1ciUw= =XLDl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` propaine ` Kirk Reiser @ ` chuckh ` Karen Lewellen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: chuckh @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Couple of minor points: nano has a help screen. Press F1. The keystrokes are shown, but not explained. I think the operational term is not RTFM, but RTMF: Read the manual first. or maybe rtfmf. Chuck -- The Moon is Waxing Crescent (37% of Full) Only 10 kinds of people: those who do binary, and those who do not. But you can get a few downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh and remember, INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: text editors with elinks or links? ` propaine ` Kirk Reiser ` chuckh @ ` Karen Lewellen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Karen Lewellen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I have to agree, especially given the different ways some programs can be installed and configured. If one is using your own setup perhaps, but if a shell in this ase you cannot be certain the man files will contain the answer desired. You may find faster an individual in the same situation, or who has encountered the situation previously and has an answer. I offer as example the solution I was given to actually load the editor in the first place. Karen On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, propaine wrote: > Kirk's comments here prompt me to make a general set of observations. I > suspect that I'm not alone in the perspective they express, but of course, I > may indeed be under a dunce cap. > > I can't speak for the questioner here, but note that sometimes, sadly, it > does seem better to ask a question on a list like this and await an answer. > Man pages seem to vary a hell of a lot in quality. I often find them terse > and cryptic, and sometimes barely even a starting point for knowing what to > do. The sendmail man page on my system, for example, refers me to an > installation and user's guide for the kind of information I need about it, > but says nothing about where the guide is. > > Yesterday, I looked at the man page for the Nano editor. I was reading > about it in a book on Debian, and was curious to see whether my Fedora > system had it. It does. The manual gives some info, but, at least as far > as I could tell, doesn't even mention keystrokes for moving around in a > document--not even the page-up and page-down keys mentioned in the Debian > book. I wondered if maybe you're supposed to know Pico already, since it's > intended to be largely compatible with that editor. If so, it seems > an idiotic approach, one of those Linux things that seem intended to > perpetuate forever the primacy of Windows. > > There is more decent documentation on Linux than there was a few years ago, > when I first tried to understand it. (Some of it's even quite good!) I > appreciate that very much. Still, I'm amazed at, say, my inability to get a > clear, precise answer to the question about whether replacing Fedora 2 with > Fedora 5 can be done as an upgrade or requires a full reinstall. The Fedora > Web site doesn't seem to say. The several books on Fedora that I have don't > seem to say. My Linux networking teacher, who said he's been in the Unix > world since Carter was president, couldn't tell me. From parts of things > I've read on this list and a thing or two I've heard elsewhere, I gather > that one can't leapfrog versions that way. That's the kind of thing that > should be prominently noted in any documentation about installation or > upgrades, though. (Incidentally, I'm not singling out Fedora: I looked for > that sort of information about Debian, but so far haven't seen it.) If the > info's there and I've missed it, it's sure not for lack of willingness to > search and read! > > In short, RTFM, as the saying goes, is a good idea, but sometimes it doesn't > work--at least for me. RTFM should lead to UTFM, but often enough it does > not. Also, there are times when the M stands for "MISSING INFORMATION." > Yes, I know that documenting in Linux is largely the work of volunteers, but > whatever that says about the generosity of the people, it doesn't make the > stuff more helpful. > > If the problem is instead that I'm wearing an impenetrable dunce cap, I of > course welcome any information that will enable to discard this bit of > headgear. > > Propaine > From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: text editors with elinks or links? > > >> I am sure you can get that information here eventually but wouldn't it >> be easier to just check your keymap in links? You have to ask here >> and then wait for someone to bother to answer when the info is at your >> finger tips all the time in links or lynx or elinks or whatever >> application you happen to be using. In fact, usually the man pages >> for a particular application will tell you the information much >> quicker than asking here as well. >> >> I don't remember about links the chain but it is F4 in elinks. >> >> Kirk >> >> -- >> >> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility >> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario >> phone: (519) 661-3061 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Good irc servers ` Levi Campbell ` Chris Norman @ ` Marvin Rush ` Nick G ` ace 1 sibling, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Marvin Rush @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Does any one know of a good irc server I'm using fedora core 3. So I'd rather have it in rpm package. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Good irc servers ` Good irc servers Marvin Rush @ ` Nick G ` ace 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. go to www.bircd.org You don't even have to compile it, just untar, configure, and run. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Rush" <w5mrr@sbcglobal.net> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Good irc servers > Does any one know of a good irc server I'm using fedora core 3. So I'd > rather have it in rpm package. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: Good irc servers ` Good irc servers Marvin Rush ` Nick G @ ` ace 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: ace @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I do not know of any IRC servers in packages and this is probably a good thing. You can get a good IRCd from www.unrealircd.com. At 06:48 PM 4/22/2006, you wrote: >Does any one know of a good irc server I'm using fedora core 3. So I'd >rather have it in rpm package. > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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