Installing speakup with software speech

Installing speakup with software speech

[Sina Bahram]

Hi guys,

Is it possible to do the whole deal, from start to finish using software
speech? So where I specify the synth, can I specify a software synth and do
the install of Fedora 2? Then boot up with Speakup 1.5, then run a checkout
script to get the latest speakup?

I know I probably skipped about 20 steps in there...but is this general plan
workable?

Take care,
Sina

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Re: Installing speakup with software speech

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
	Do you mean installing FC2 with software speech? If so, right now 
you can't. I'm not sure how feasible this would be, either. I don't see 
much problem getting things like speech dispatcher and flite onto the CD, 
but I'm not sure how early FC2 detects the soundcard. I know it detects 
the monitor and video card right at the beginning (figures, right?) but 
I'm not sure where sound is activated. I've been thinking about this 
lately myself, as it sure would help people with no serial ports. FC2 may 
be the only distro it is feasible with at all, since distros like 
slackware don't even include sound modules on their installation 
disks--not sure about debian or gentoo, though.
HTH
P.S. That isn't speakup 1.5 in FC2--it's a fairly new CVS speakup. I think 
the only distro to still include speakup 1.5 is slackware.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

SB> Hi guys,
SB> 
SB> Is it possible to do the whole deal, from start to finish using software
SB> speech? So where I specify the synth, can I specify a software synth and do
SB> the install of Fedora 2? Then boot up with Speakup 1.5, then run a checkout
SB> script to get the latest speakup?

Re: Installing speakup with software speech

[Jayson Smith]

>From what I understand from the handbook, Gentoo's kernels include support
for just about every possible type of hardware, and Gentoo runs a hardware
detection process as the CD boots up.  However, that still might not detect
and activate the sound card in time for it to do Speakup any good.
Jayson.

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From: "Jacob Schmude" <jschmude@adelphia.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Installing speakup with software speech


> Hi
> Do you mean installing FC2 with software speech? If so, right now
> you can't. I'm not sure how feasible this would be, either. I don't see
> much problem getting things like speech dispatcher and flite onto the CD,
> but I'm not sure how early FC2 detects the soundcard. I know it detects
> the monitor and video card right at the beginning (figures, right?) but
> I'm not sure where sound is activated. I've been thinking about this
> lately myself, as it sure would help people with no serial ports. FC2 may
> be the only distro it is feasible with at all, since distros like
> slackware don't even include sound modules on their installation
> disks--not sure about debian or gentoo, though.
> HTH
> P.S. That isn't speakup 1.5 in FC2--it's a fairly new CVS speakup. I think
> the only distro to still include speakup 1.5 is slackware.
>
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:
>
> SB> Hi guys,
> SB>
> SB> Is it possible to do the whole deal, from start to finish using
software
> SB> speech? So where I specify the synth, can I specify a software synth
and do
> SB> the install of Fedora 2? Then boot up with Speakup 1.5, then run a
checkout
> SB> script to get the latest speakup?
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Installing speakup with software speech

[Sina Bahram]

Hi Jacob,

Thanks for the points. So I'm stuck installing it either with visual
assistance or via telnet/ssh and then getting software speech via including
them as modules?

I suppose I could install via telnet or ssh...i've just never done that
before. But there's no chance of hardware speech; however, I really want to
use Speakup.

Take care,
Sina

No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 10:50 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Installing speakup with software speech


Hi
	Do you mean installing FC2 with software speech? If so, right now 
you can't. I'm not sure how feasible this would be, either. I don't see 
much problem getting things like speech dispatcher and flite onto the CD, 
but I'm not sure how early FC2 detects the soundcard. I know it detects 
the monitor and video card right at the beginning (figures, right?) but 
I'm not sure where sound is activated. I've been thinking about this 
lately myself, as it sure would help people with no serial ports. FC2 may 
be the only distro it is feasible with at all, since distros like 
slackware don't even include sound modules on their installation 
disks--not sure about debian or gentoo, though.
HTH
P.S. That isn't speakup 1.5 in FC2--it's a fairly new CVS speakup. I think 
the only distro to still include speakup 1.5 is slackware.

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

SB> Hi guys,
SB> 
SB> Is it possible to do the whole deal, from start to finish using 
SB> software speech? So where I specify the synth, can I specify a 
SB> software synth and do the install of Fedora 2? Then boot up with 
SB> Speakup 1.5, then run a checkout script to get the latest speakup?

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Re: Installing speakup with software speech

[Gregory Nowak]

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If you have an extra PC, and a serial cable, you should also be able
to install via a serial console.

Greg


On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 12:18:48AM -0400, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Hi Jacob,
> 
> Thanks for the points. So I'm stuck installing it either with visual
> assistance or via telnet/ssh and then getting software speech via including
> them as modules?
> 
> I suppose I could install via telnet or ssh...i've just never done that
> before. But there's no chance of hardware speech; however, I really want to
> use Speakup.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large number of
> electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 

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RE: Installing speakup with software speech

[Sina Bahram]

I could drag that up...but if I'm going to use an extra PC, I'll just do it
via ssh or telnet...i really want to do software speech install, if at all
possible though.

Take care,
Sina

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electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

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On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:38 AM
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Subject: Re: Installing speakup with software speech


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If you have an extra PC, and a serial cable, you should also be able to
install via a serial console.

Greg


On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 12:18:48AM -0400, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Hi Jacob,
> 
> Thanks for the points. So I'm stuck installing it either with visual 
> assistance or via telnet/ssh and then getting software speech via 
> including them as modules?
> 
> I suppose I could install via telnet or ssh...i've just never done 
> that before. But there's no chance of hardware speech; however, I 
> really want to use Speakup.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message; however, a large 
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> 

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RE: Installing speakup with software speech

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
	Telnet's your answer then. It's a real pain to navigate with any 
windows telnet client IMHO, but if you use the standard linux telnet it 
reads perfectly. Make sure your ISOs are relatively recent (June 7, I 
believe) since telnet was fixed in those. Start the install with:
text telnet
at the boot: prompt. If you don't know what IP you'll be given, but you 
know an IP that's free, use:
text telnet ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Of course, put the actual IP numbers in there. Once the CD drive starts 
spinning, telnet into the IP address. If you use linux telnet, you won't 
even know the difference as far as the speaking install goes. In fact, 
when I did it, once I ejected the wrong CDrom drive when it told me to 
change disks. The only problem is... telnet server may not be installed. 
This means that once you install and reboot, you may not be able to get 
back in. For this reason I'd recommend putting the telnet-server RPM on a 
floppy and installing it as the installation ends. Also, you'll have to 
customize the firewall during installation and check the box next to 
telnet, since you'll have to get back in once installation is finished.
 To do this, when the 
installer prompts you to reboot, press ctrl+z instead. Now,  chroot into 
your new installation like so:
chroot /mnt/sysimage
	Now mount that floppy:
mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
or in the case of a USB floppy:
mount /dev/sda /mnt/floppy
create /mnt/floppy if it says the mount point isn't valid. Now install the 
telnet-server RPM. OK, one more thing to do, remove the firstboot RPM:
rpm -e firstboot
Some people like to just turn it off but I don't see any reason to have it 
lying around. Now, exit the chroot shell. Hold on, two more files to edit:
	As the editor, use "pico". This is not pico, it launches the joe 
editor in pico mode--nano won't work under telnet and vi doesn't track 
correctly. First, edit:
/mnt/sysimage/etc/inittab
	This is standard procedure, change the default runlevel to 3. 
There's a line reading:
id:5:initdefault:
change that 5 to a 3.  ctrl+x to exit and save. NOw, edit:
/mnt/sysimage/etc/xinetd.d/telnet
	You'll see a line in there that says:
disable = yes
change that to:
disable = no
	This ensures that you can telnet into your newly installed system 
and either get speech running or set up SSH for a more secure 
connection. Once speech is set up, I highly recommend closing the telnet 
service unless you're going to be using it for some reason.
Well, hope this helps you out.
Note that the speakup-provided kernels already have the sftsyn module 
ready to be modprobed.


On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

SB> Hi Jacob,
SB> 
SB> Thanks for the points. So I'm stuck installing it either with visual
SB> assistance or via telnet/ssh and then getting software speech via including
SB> them as modules?

RE: Installing speakup with software speech

[Sina Bahram]

Ok, that's awesome, since I'm a total newbie at this...that was a great
explination. I will try to find some time to do it, and let you know.

I unfortunately will be using a Windows Telnet client....*sigh* but oh
well...i'll play with it. Now, I thought that pico didn't come with Fedora,
so what was that last stuff? What editor would I be using then?

Thanks for all this great info.

Take care,
Sina

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electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 2:39 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: RE: Installing speakup with software speech


Hi
	Telnet's your answer then. It's a real pain to navigate with any 
windows telnet client IMHO, but if you use the standard linux telnet it 
reads perfectly. Make sure your ISOs are relatively recent (June 7, I 
believe) since telnet was fixed in those. Start the install with: text
telnet at the boot: prompt. If you don't know what IP you'll be given, but
you 
know an IP that's free, use:
text telnet ip=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Of course, put the actual IP numbers in there. Once the CD drive starts 
spinning, telnet into the IP address. If you use linux telnet, you won't 
even know the difference as far as the speaking install goes. In fact, 
when I did it, once I ejected the wrong CDrom drive when it told me to 
change disks. The only problem is... telnet server may not be installed. 
This means that once you install and reboot, you may not be able to get 
back in. For this reason I'd recommend putting the telnet-server RPM on a 
floppy and installing it as the installation ends. Also, you'll have to 
customize the firewall during installation and check the box next to 
telnet, since you'll have to get back in once installation is finished.  To
do this, when the 
installer prompts you to reboot, press ctrl+z instead. Now,  chroot into 
your new installation like so:
chroot /mnt/sysimage
	Now mount that floppy:
mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
or in the case of a USB floppy:
mount /dev/sda /mnt/floppy
create /mnt/floppy if it says the mount point isn't valid. Now install the 
telnet-server RPM. OK, one more thing to do, remove the firstboot RPM: rpm
-e firstboot Some people like to just turn it off but I don't see any reason
to have it 
lying around. Now, exit the chroot shell. Hold on, two more files to edit:
	As the editor, use "pico". This is not pico, it launches the joe 
editor in pico mode--nano won't work under telnet and vi doesn't track 
correctly. First, edit:
/mnt/sysimage/etc/inittab
	This is standard procedure, change the default runlevel to 3. 
There's a line reading:
id:5:initdefault:
change that 5 to a 3.  ctrl+x to exit and save. NOw, edit:
/mnt/sysimage/etc/xinetd.d/telnet
	You'll see a line in there that says:
disable = yes
change that to:
disable = no
	This ensures that you can telnet into your newly installed system 
and either get speech running or set up SSH for a more secure 
connection. Once speech is set up, I highly recommend closing the telnet 
service unless you're going to be using it for some reason. Well, hope this
helps you out. Note that the speakup-provided kernels already have the
sftsyn module 
ready to be modprobed.

Re: Installing speakup with software speech

[Sergei Fleytin]

Hello Jacob and others,

>>>>> "JS" == Jacob Schmude <jschmude@adelphia.net> writes:

JS> Hi Telnet's your answer then. 

I have one, probably stupid question. Since i have some experience
with installing Linux via serial connection, i wonder if a telnet
session could be set up via serial port? For me it is very important
because i have to use windows terminal emulators for installing Linux
since minicom don't work well for me in this area. So any advice would
be of great help. Take note that i have no experience with telnet at
all so i would appreciate a detailled answers, may be off list.

With best regards,

Sergei.

is switching between synths posible?

[Willem van der Walt<willem@top.health.gov.za>]

It looks like the software speech is included in the fedora core 2 
modified version.Is there a way to switch between the hardware speech and 
the software speech when the hw speech is already running?
TIA  Willem

RE: Installing speakup with software speech

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
	The editor is actually an editor called "joe". However, joe has 
several emulation modes, and for whatever reason they included it, along 
with its pico emulation mode on the installation cd. So no, it isn't 
actually pico, it will, however, respond to almost all of pico's commands. 
I prefer nano, but nano won't work under telnet on the installation CD, 
since the terminals aren't set up. Once you get the system installed you 
can use whatever editor you want when you telnet back in, since your 
terminals will havve been installed and the terminfo database will have 
been setup.
HTH
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

SB> Ok, that's awesome, since I'm a total newbie at this...that was a great
SB> explination. I will try to find some time to do it, and let you know.

Re: Installing speakup with software speech

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 01:28:54PM +0400, Sergei Fleytin wrote:
> i wonder if a telnet
> session could be set up via serial port? 

I suppose it would be possible, if the installation cd includes
pppd. With a lot of messing around, you could use ppp to form a
network interface via a serial port. I wouldn't recommend this process
for a newby though. However, if you're still interested, check out the
pppd howto on tldp.org.

Greg



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RE: Installing speakup with software speech

[Sina Bahram]

Thanks for the info.

Take care,
Sina

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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:52 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: RE: Installing speakup with software speech


Hi
	The editor is actually an editor called "joe". However, joe has 
several emulation modes, and for whatever reason they included it, along 
with its pico emulation mode on the installation cd. So no, it isn't 
actually pico, it will, however, respond to almost all of pico's commands. 
I prefer nano, but nano won't work under telnet on the installation CD, 
since the terminals aren't set up. Once you get the system installed you 
can use whatever editor you want when you telnet back in, since your 
terminals will havve been installed and the terminfo database will have 
been setup.
HTH
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Sina Bahram wrote:

SB> Ok, that's awesome, since I'm a total newbie at this...that was a 
SB> great explination. I will try to find some time to do it, and let 
SB> you know.

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RE: Installing speakup with software speech

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi, Jacob,
Industrial strength cool!!!
It never occurred to me to press ^Z at the end of a telnet installation. 
I can't wait to try it out!
BTW,  something isn't kosher with the timezone displayed on your messages. 
It says Eastern Standard Time, which would be OK if you were in some parts 
of Indiana, but the offset is -400 which would be for Eastern Daylight 
Time.


-- 
Bill in Denver

Installing speakup with software speech

[Dave]

Hello,
	I'm new to the list but am not a new Linux user.
	I'm gathering the components i need to do a speakup install with
software speech. I'm wondering what synth gives the best responsiveness and
has the highest speech quality? I'm most use to Dectalk and Eloquence synths
on the windows platform. I've heard of Festival and flite but don't know how
they sound. Espeak i've heard i think with grml? I can't get use to it kind
of hard to follow.
	If anyone has any speech samples or recommendations i'd love to hear
them.
Thanks.
Dave.