Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Darragh]

Hello,
I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't included in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
to patch the kernel with it after installation.

Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to find another way of independantly installing Suse with either
speech or Braille support.

I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with this.

I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a few years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
during installation of Suse. Is this correct?

Thanks for any help you can provide.


Darragh
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Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Kirk Reiser]

For some reason Suse and Mandrake are two distributions which nobody
has ever stepped forward to support and maintain speakup versions of.
We would love to have them to make available but I don't have the time
so unless someone volunteers you may be S.O.L. so to speak.

On the other hand if you have a .config for the Suse kernel I or
someone else might be willing to compile the kernel version of your
choice and tar it up for you.

  Kirk

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Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Michael whapples]

Hello,
I don't know if speakup is included in Suse installation. In previous 
versions I know that they said they had a braille system for installing it, 
whether it is brltty I don't know, their website doesn't say that it is. I'm 
not sure if it supports the packmate display. You may do best searching 
google for things like suse braille accessibility or similar. There may be 
other projects designed to assist with installation in this sort of case, 
but I don't know of one.
From
Michael Whapples
"An optamist is someone who has never had much experience"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional


> Hello,
> I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't included 
> in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
> to patch the kernel with it after installation.
>
> Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for 
> installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
> I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to find 
> another way of independantly installing Suse with either
> speech or Braille support.
>
> I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with this.
>
> I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a few 
> years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
> during installation of Suse. Is this correct?
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>
> Darragh
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RE: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Darragh]

Right.  Sounds like this job could be a bit more of a challange than I
thought.

Realisticly, do you think someone can work with Suse using speech or
Braille?

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: 06 July 2005 14:30
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional


We tried patching Speakup into a Suse kernel on two separate occasions
and were ultimately unsuccessful. We were able to get the kernel patched
and able to get Speakup to speak initially during boot, but the kernel
Oops'd, and we never got beyond that.

We also tried Brltty on Suse with mixed results, but this was before I
understood about suse-blinux.

Darragh writes:
> Hello,
> I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't included
in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
> to patch the kernel with it after installation.
>
> Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for
installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
> I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to find
another way of independantly installing Suse with either
> speech or Braille support.
>
> I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with this.
>
> I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a few
years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
> during installation of Suse. Is this correct?
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>
> Darragh
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Janina Sajka]

We tried patching Speakup into a Suse kernel on two separate occasions
and were ultimately unsuccessful. We were able to get the kernel patched
and able to get Speakup to speak initially during boot, but the kernel
Oops'd, and we never got beyond that.

We also tried Brltty on Suse with mixed results, but this was before I
understood about suse-blinux.

Darragh writes:
> Hello,
> I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't included in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
> to patch the kernel with it after installation.
> 
> Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
> I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to find another way of independantly installing Suse with either
> speech or Braille support.
> 
> I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with this.
> 
> I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a few years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
> during installation of Suse. Is this correct?
> 
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
> 
> 
> Darragh
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Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

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RE: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Karen Lewellen]

I have somewhere and will look for an article from the Sues  site that 
details specifically that braille is supported, however I amnot a braille 
user at all, so cannot say anything firsthand as to its abilities.  In 
fact I had wondered 
why Sues was not spoken of here, although I  understand why from these 
exchanges.  Given this information suggested how important braille access 
was to them, perhaps you may be better ser served asking those directly 
involved with the Sues distribution.
braille has always been important to them, although the lack of references 
to speech led me to look elsewhere.
I will post the article when I find where it is in my system.
Karen

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Darragh wrote:

> Right.  Sounds like this job could be a bit more of a challange than I
> thought.
>
> Realisticly, do you think someone can work with Suse using speech or
> Braille?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 06 July 2005 14:30
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional
>
>
> We tried patching Speakup into a Suse kernel on two separate occasions
> and were ultimately unsuccessful. We were able to get the kernel patched
> and able to get Speakup to speak initially during boot, but the kernel
> Oops'd, and we never got beyond that.
>
> We also tried Brltty on Suse with mixed results, but this was before I
> understood about suse-blinux.
>
> Darragh writes:
>> Hello,
>> I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't included
> in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
>> to patch the kernel with it after installation.
>>
>> Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for
> installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
>> I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to find
> another way of independantly installing Suse with either
>> speech or Braille support.
>>
>> I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with this.
>>
>> I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a few
> years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
>> during installation of Suse. Is this correct?
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>
>>
>> Darragh
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go to
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Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Lutz Kaiser]

Hi, yes i've seen people working with Braile and a software-speach, on a
suse system.

They told me some Brailedisplays would be automatically detect during
installation and it would be switched in a textmodus and all should be
usable by a blind person.

but my combibraile does not belong to the braildisplays , which will be
detected.
I saw a site on the web, sblinux or blinux? where these displays are
mentioned.

Sorry i can be of more help.

The braildriver is called sblinux, if memory serves me right.

Good luck,
Lutz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional


> Right.  Sounds like this job could be a bit more of a challange than I
> thought.
>
> Realisticly, do you think someone can work with Suse using speech or
> Braille?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 06 July 2005 14:30
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional
>
>
> We tried patching Speakup into a Suse kernel on two separate occasions
> and were ultimately unsuccessful. We were able to get the kernel patched
> and able to get Speakup to speak initially during boot, but the kernel
> Oops'd, and we never got beyond that.
>
> We also tried Brltty on Suse with mixed results, but this was before I
> understood about suse-blinux.
>
> Darragh writes:
> > Hello,
> > I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't
included
> in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
> > to patch the kernel with it after installation.
> >
> > Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for
> installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
> > I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to
find
> another way of independantly installing Suse with either
> > speech or Braille support.
> >
> > I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with this.
> >
> > I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a
few
> years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
> > during installation of Suse. Is this correct?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >
> >
> > Darragh
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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>
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> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go
to
> http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Michael whapples]

Hello,
You can find the package that suse uses at,
ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/blinux/src/
This contains documentation for it. In fact the version there says it does 
support combibraille.
From
Michael Whapples
"An optamist is someone who has never had much experience"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lutz Kaiser" <lutz.kaiser@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional


> Hi, yes i've seen people working with Braile and a software-speach, on a
> suse system.
>
> They told me some Brailedisplays would be automatically detect during
> installation and it would be switched in a textmodus and all should be
> usable by a blind person.
>
> but my combibraile does not belong to the braildisplays , which will be
> detected.
> I saw a site on the web, sblinux or blinux? where these displays are
> mentioned.
>
> Sorry i can be of more help.
>
> The braildriver is called sblinux, if memory serves me right.
>
> Good luck,
> Lutz
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 3:29 PM
> Subject: RE: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional
>
>
>> Right.  Sounds like this job could be a bit more of a challange than I
>> thought.
>>
>> Realisticly, do you think someone can work with Suse using speech or
>> Braille?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
>> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
>> Sent: 06 July 2005 14:30
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> Subject: Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional
>>
>>
>> We tried patching Speakup into a Suse kernel on two separate occasions
>> and were ultimately unsuccessful. We were able to get the kernel patched
>> and able to get Speakup to speak initially during boot, but the kernel
>> Oops'd, and we never got beyond that.
>>
>> We also tried Brltty on Suse with mixed results, but this was before I
>> understood about suse-blinux.
>>
>> Darragh writes:
>> > Hello,
>> > I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't
> included
>> in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
>> > to patch the kernel with it after installation.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for
>> installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
>> > I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to
> find
>> another way of independantly installing Suse with either
>> > speech or Braille support.
>> >
>> > I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with 
>> > this.
>> >
>> > I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a
> few
>> years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
>> > during installation of Suse. Is this correct?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any help you can provide.
>> >
>> >
>> > Darragh
>> > --
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>> > 04/07/2005
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
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>>
>> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>>
>> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040
>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>>
>> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go
> to
>> http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>
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Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Darragh:

If you absolutely must have direct access to the GUI, I think you're
going to find Suse 9.3 impractical. That's my kindest word for it.

If, however, you can work on the CLI, I suspect you'll have excellent
access with suse-blinux. I do believe there's an unresolved issue with
text based yast, currently, that would need to be resolved. I'm sure
Marco is working on it. You would also need a supported braille display.
When I last looked, Suse was big on displays common in Europe, but not
so much on those used more here in North America.

So, what's the job? Can you say?

Darragh writes:
> Right.  Sounds like this job could be a bit more of a challange than I
> thought.
> 
> Realisticly, do you think someone can work with Suse using speech or
> Braille?


> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 06 July 2005 14:30
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Speakup and Suse 9.3 Professional
> 
> 
> We tried patching Speakup into a Suse kernel on two separate occasions
> and were ultimately unsuccessful. We were able to get the kernel patched
> and able to get Speakup to speak initially during boot, but the kernel
> Oops'd, and we never got beyond that.
> 
> We also tried Brltty on Suse with mixed results, but this was before I
> understood about suse-blinux.
> 
> Darragh writes:
> > Hello,
> > I've done some searching and although it looks like speakup isn't included
> in suse 9.3 right from installation it does seem possible
> > to patch the kernel with it after installation.
> >
> > Unfortunately I've a bit of a problem. I need to provide support for
> installations of Suse 9.3 Professional. This will mean that
> > I'll need to get speakup working during installation or I'll need to find
> another way of independantly installing Suse with either
> > speech or Braille support.
> >
> > I would be for ever in debt of the person who can help me out with this.
> >
> > I do have a Pacmate 40 cell Braille display. I think someone told me a few
> years ago that BrailleTTY could provide Braille support
> > during installation of Suse. Is this correct?
> >
> > Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >
> >
> > Darragh
> > --
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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> 
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> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
> 
> Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
> 
> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go to
> http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.
> 
> 
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janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

Janina Sajka				Phone: +1.202.494.7040
Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more.