* Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN
@ Janina Sajka
` Alex Snow
` (3 more replies)
0 siblings, 4 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the
upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this
coming March. You are invited to attend.
Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader
Presenter name: Janina Sajka
Date: Friday, 21 March 2003
Start Time: 2:00 pm
End Time: 4:40 pm
Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel
Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to
demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this coming
March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts.
--
Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Janina Sajka @ ` Alex Snow ` Toby Fisher ` Will Smith ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup A good thing to demonstrate the remote capibilities of linux would be to show how you can check a pop3 mailbox from a remote computer without having to setup that account on the machine. Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > Start Time: 2:00 pm > End Time: 4:40 pm > Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel > > Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to > demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this coming > March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Alex Snow @ ` Toby Fisher ` Thomas Stivers 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Toby Fisher @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Alex Snow wrote: > A good thing to demonstrate the remote capibilities of linux would be to > show how you can check a pop3 mailbox from a remote computer without having > to setup that account on the machine. Oh what, you mean something like: telnet some.mail.server 110 user username pass password list top 1 20 (to read the headers) top 1 40 top 1 60 top 1 80 etc etc etc Hehehe, I've checked my email like this many a time. *grin* Only thing to remember, don't leave more than 60 secs between commands or you get booted. Oh yes, and it doesn't work if the server wants ssl authentication, sorry, but I don't talk realtime ssl. *grin* Cheers. -- Toby Fisher Email: toby@tjfisher.co.uk Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239 ICQ: #61744808 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Toby Fisher @ ` Thomas Stivers 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Thomas Stivers @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On 11/16/02 1:15 AM +0000, Toby Fisher wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Alex Snow wrote: > > > A good thing to demonstrate the remote capibilities of linux would be to > > show how you can check a pop3 mailbox from a remote computer without having > > to setup that account on the machine. > > Oh what, you mean something like: > telnet some.mail.server 110 > user username > pass password > list > top 1 20 (to read the headers) > top 1 40 > top 1 60 > top 1 80 > etc etc etc > You could also use mutt. Run mutt, press c, and then type pop://<your_pop_username>:<your_pop_password>@<your_pop_server>. At least that works for me, and it's better than speaking pop3. > Hehehe, I've checked my email like this many a time. *grin* > > Only thing to remember, don't leave more than 60 secs between commands or > you get booted. Oh yes, and it doesn't work if the server wants ssl > authentication, sorry, but I don't talk realtime ssl. *grin* > > Cheers. > > -- > Toby Fisher Email: toby@tjfisher.co.uk > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239 > ICQ: #61744808 > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@ev1.net PGP Public Key ID: 45CBBABD http://stivers-home.dyndns.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Janina Sajka ` Alex Snow @ ` Will Smith ` Janina Sajka ` jwantz ` Toby Fisher 3 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Will Smith @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello, Thanks for this great news. I wonder if you will prepare and post notes for those of us who are interested but won't be able to get to this great event? Will wilsmith@iglou.com On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 etc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Will Smith @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Will: Yes, the notes, any slides, etc., etc., will definitely be posted and available. I indend the presentation will be based on the installation HOWTO at: http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/redhat/HOWTO_INSTALL.html Of course, I'll need to update this document first.. PS: Any slides will, of course, not be in PowerPoint because I intend any slides must be fully accessible. Therefore, I expect to use either GNOME, if available by then, or HTML using the W3C's slide tool. Will Smith writes: > > Hello, > > Thanks for this great news. I wonder if you will prepare and post notes > for those of us who are interested but won't be able to get to this great > event? > > Will > wilsmith@iglou.com > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Janina Sajka ` Alex Snow ` Will Smith @ ` jwantz ` Janina Sajka ` ccrawford ` Toby Fisher 3 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: jwantz @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Janina, Is your audience going to be experienced linux users? If not, why not demonstrate remotely shutting down a system? I have always considered this very useful when my system was threatened by a thunderstorm. I'm assuming there will be a majority of people familiar with accessibility products but not linux. Is there any possibility that can broadcast the conference via a live stream? Jim Wantz WB0TFK On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > Start Time: 2:00 pm > End Time: 4:40 pm > Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel > > Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to > demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this coming > March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` jwantz @ ` Janina Sajka ` michael malver ` ccrawford 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hey, Jim: Yes, I think it would be possible to stream. It may be more hocus-pocus then there is time for, but it certainly is worth thinking about. If at all possible, I would want to do it. The room does have Internet, meaning ethernet, I believe. So, I could stream over my laptop whilst we blow away Windows and install Linux on the system there, or something like that. I don't know about what experience leve I will have. I imagine your estimation is correct, mostly AT and Windows familiarity. jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov writes: > From: jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov > > Hi Janina, > Is your audience going to be experienced linux users? If not, why not > demonstrate remotely shutting down a system? I have always considered > this very useful when my system was threatened by a thunderstorm. > I'm assuming there will be a majority of people familiar with > accessibility products but not linux. Is there any possibility that can > broadcast the conference via a live stream? > > Jim Wantz WB0TFK > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina > Sajka wrote: > > > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > > Start Time: 2:00 pm > > End Time: 4:40 pm > > Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel > > > > Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to > > demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this coming > > March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Janina Sajka @ ` michael malver ` Ed Barnes ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: michael malver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup What wouod impress me is if someone who knew little about linux and the screen reader could do the demo. The reason Im still a windblows user is because I was only able to instal linux with the patient help of friends. It took two hours to make it even remotely useable. That to me is not the sign of a user-friendly system. I would be impressed if you could get a computer-savey person who didn't know much about linux to operate the screen reader, and do the install. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:43 PM To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Hey, Jim: Yes, I think it would be possible to stream. It may be more hocus-pocus then there is time for, but it certainly is worth thinking about. If at all possible, I would want to do it. The room does have Internet, meaning ethernet, I believe. So, I could stream over my laptop whilst we blow away Windows and install Linux on the system there, or something like that. I don't know about what experience leve I will have. I imagine your estimation is correct, mostly AT and Windows familiarity. jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov writes: > From: jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov > > Hi Janina, > Is your audience going to be experienced linux users? If not, why not > demonstrate remotely shutting down a system? I have always considered > this very useful when my system was threatened by a thunderstorm. > I'm assuming there will be a majority of people familiar with > accessibility products but not linux. Is there any possibility that can > broadcast the conference via a live stream? > > Jim Wantz WB0TFK > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina > Sajka wrote: > > > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > > Start Time: 2:00 pm > > End Time: 4:40 pm > > Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel > > > > Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to > > demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this coming > > March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` michael malver @ ` Ed Barnes ` shaun_oliver ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Ed Barnes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Mike, sounds like you are easily impressed and before you get the temptation to flame might I tell you that I nailed the install using speakup on first try, I have done it a few times since. My first time installing Linux with speakup was my first time installing the OS over all, I had never done it with sighted assistance before that particular install. Mind you the first install wasn't perfect as once you nail the install and learn more about Linux you'll find imperfections with the install and the choices you made during the install for certain in my humble opinion. Note too that I didn't know much about the screen reader at the time. I simply read the well-written docs that can be found on speakup's web site, the same ones I'd recommend you read if you've not already done so. So, in closing I'd say stop making excuses and get out there and give it the "old college try", if I was able to do it and countless others were as well what's stopping you. Ed Barnes At 11:51 AM 11/16/2002 -0600, you wrote: >What wouod impress me is if someone who knew little about linux and the >screen reader could do the demo. The reason Im still a windblows user is >because I was only able to instal linux with the patient help of friends. It >took two hours to make it even remotely useable. That to me is not the sign >of a user-friendly system. >I would be impressed if you could get a computer-savey person who didn't >know much about linux to operate the screen reader, and do the install. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca >[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka >Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:43 PM >To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca >Subject: Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN > > >Hey, Jim: > >Yes, I think it would be possible to stream. It may be more hocus-pocus then >there is time for, but it certainly is worth thinking about. If at all >possible, I would want to do it. The room does have Internet, meaning >ethernet, I believe. So, I could stream over my laptop whilst we blow away >Windows >and install Linux on the system there, or something like that. > >I don't know about what experience leve I will have. I imagine your >estimation is correct, mostly AT and Windows familiarity. > >jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov writes: > > From: jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov > > > > Hi Janina, > > Is your audience going to be experienced linux users? If not, why not > > demonstrate remotely shutting down a system? I have always considered > > this very useful when my system was threatened by a thunderstorm. > > I'm assuming there will be a majority of people familiar with > > accessibility products but not linux. Is there any possibility that can > > broadcast the conference via a live stream? > > > > Jim Wantz WB0TFK > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina > > Sajka wrote: > > > > > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a >Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > > > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, >which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, >(LAX), this > > > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > > > > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup >Screen Reader > > > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > > > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > > > Start Time: 2:00 pm > > > End Time: 4:40 pm > > > Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel > > > > > > Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so >that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to > > > demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas >and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this >coming > > > March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief >remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Ed Barnes @ ` shaun_oliver ` ccrawford ` Scott Howell ` Chuck Hallenbeck 1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: shaun_oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 01:20:26AM -0330, Ed Barnes wrote: if I was able to do it and countless others were as well what's stopping you. >>>> Well, it appears to me that it's only pure stubbernness that's stopping our friend here from trying to install linux. Oh yes, I've seen and heard comments like, "imho linux is nowhere near being ready for the average user." and "the average user is not gonna wanna know how they're comuter works they just want to turn it on and use it." Well, more fool them I say. if you're not prepared to learn about your computer and how it works and what it's all about and how to back out of sticky situations, and believe me, it will happen, then you go right ahead and be exploited by microsoft and a hand full of techies that want nothing more than your hard earned dollars. To Qualify my statement, the majority of techies out there are reasonably priced but there's always those select few that will take your hard earned and do little more than tick this or point and shoot at that and give you a long list of what was wrong in language you weren't prepared to learn as a "user". quit bitching about how hard something is and just bloody well do it. if it dies in the arse, do it again. if you screw up, it's nobody's fault but yours, so, do it again. and keep doing it until you get it right or to a point where you consider it to be right enough for you. When I installed slackware, my first distro, I knew shit about linux. surficeth to say, I knew enough about speakup by reading docs and listening to some tutorials and then going through the motions myself. guess what, I'm still using linux. only the distro has changed, to protect the innocent. hahaha. -- Shaun Oliver It's multiple choice time... What is FORTRAN? a: Between thre and fiv tran. b: What two computers engage in before they interface. c: Ridiculous. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` shaun_oliver @ ` ccrawford ` Scott Howell 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: ccrawford @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Shawn and others, I am basically in agreement that learning Linux is something that simply has to be done to get the fruits of it. In short, there is work that must be done to get the system so it can be used. Having said that, we all must also understand that neither extreme really does much good. In the long run, Linux should evolve to a much more user friendly system without sacrificing it's utility and users will need to make a real effort to use it's features. It's Sunday and lots of work ahead for me on the computer and so ta ta. -- Charlie Crawford. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` shaun_oliver ` ccrawford @ ` Scott Howell ` shaun_oliver ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Scott Howell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ah, We're back to this topic again. Well folks the truth be told, the adverage person doesn't give a tiny tin damn about what os their machine runs, doesn't care to know ram from ram, and isn't even interested in fiddling about with the box. THey go to the store, purchase what they believe to be the best box for the bucks, come home, get out the big poster that tells them where to plug the keyboard, mouse, etc. in, and turn it on. What the adverage person does care about is how can the accomplish the task and how quickly without a great deal of fuss. The same applies to the adverage person who owns a car, they just want to drive and get where they are going. THey don't care how many cylinders it has, where its got a carb or fuel injected etc. I agree if your going to take on the task of learning an os, expect to hit bumps along the way and don't bitch, ask questions, read, learn, and so forth. So, now if you wonder why there are technicians in the world, now you know. So, lets not go about beatting others on the head because they aren't interested in Linux or say that Linux isn't ready for the adverage user. In fact Linux can be used by the adverage user once its install. They wouldn't have a clue or care if its windows or Linux as long as they can accomplish the task at hand. It holds true that the same adverage user probably wouldn't want to install windows either. Hell you buy a machine and it comes with the os already install and most all applications. Now if you handed someone a LInux box with everything on it, I'm sure they would be just as happy. I think the only challenge is perhaps installing some new application. There is no generic method I'm aware of to install some package you bought from the store. COnsider if you were to buy some new word processing package, most LInux distros have a basic feel, but different installation methods, I can see how this would pose a problem for someone who would have to find a package for their distro. Because there is only one windows, its easy to purchase software. I think you see my point. Ay, lets face it folks, Linux is not for everyone and neither is windows, and neither is the Mac os. YOu pick what works best for you. Of course thre are tinkers of cars, computers, and so on and that is what most of us are. We are interested in the "under the hood" stuff. Scott ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Scott Howell @ ` shaun_oliver ` Ann Parsons ` Igor Gueths ` Kerry Hoath 2 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: shaun_oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I agree with that whole heartedly. However, I take my extream view because people out there just want to bitch and complain and give excuses why they couldn't be bothered,, that's right, couldn't be bothered learning something just because it's too hard or not point and shoot. if you take an interest in linux, be aware that you're not gonna be clicking next all the time and accepting the defaults. you do actually have to think about how and where you want things to go. and one major difference is you don't just have to take one web browser, you can take the whole lot or the browser of your choosing. so again, let's not complain and give up just because it looks hard, believe me it's not, I knew even less about computers than I do now when I installed linux, but, I haven't looked back. anyway, I'm not saying anymore on this cause it's getting boring. -- Shaun Oliver It's multiple choice time... What is FORTRAN? a: Between thre and fiv tran. b: What two computers engage in before they interface. c: Ridiculous. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` shaun_oliver @ ` Ann Parsons 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, <smile> One thing you are not, Shaun, is boring! Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Scott Howell ` shaun_oliver @ ` Igor Gueths ` Erik Heil ` Scott Howell ` Kerry Hoath 2 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Scott. Now that you brought it up, its true that everyone chooses what works for them. Unfortunately, M$ wants to impose their system on everyone, which really isn't going to work. Others like me, who like to see all low-level functionality, and be able to do whatever they want, are severely impaired by a system like Winblows, which both hides the underlying workings of the box, and makes someone use their stupid gui no matter who they are. I'm supposed to interact with a gui when I can do the same thing much faster and tweek it much more on the command line? I don't think so! May you code in the power of the source, may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you, throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch. On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Scott Howell wrote: > Ah, We're back to this topic again. > > Well folks the truth be told, the adverage person doesn't give a tiny > tin damn about what os their machine runs, doesn't care to know ram from > ram, and isn't even interested in fiddling about with the box. THey go > to the store, purchase what they believe to be the best box for the > bucks, come home, get out the big poster that tells them where to plug > the keyboard, mouse, etc. in, and turn it on. What the adverage person > does care about is how can the accomplish the task and how quickly > without a great deal of fuss. The same applies to the adverage person > who owns a car, they just want to drive and get where they are going. > THey don't care how many cylinders it has, where its got a carb or fuel > injected etc. I agree if your going to take on the task of learning an > os, expect to hit bumps along the way and don't bitch, ask questions, > read, learn, and so forth. > So, now if you wonder why there are technicians in the world, now you > know. So, lets not go about beatting others on the head because they > aren't interested in Linux or say that Linux isn't ready for the > adverage user. In fact Linux can be used by the adverage user once its > install. They wouldn't have a clue or care if its windows or Linux as > long as they can accomplish the task at hand. It holds true that the > same adverage user probably wouldn't want to install windows either. > Hell you buy a machine and it comes with the os already install and most > all applications. Now if you handed someone a LInux box with everything > on it, I'm sure they would be just as happy. I think the only challenge > is perhaps installing some new application. There is no generic method > I'm aware of to install some package you bought from the store. > COnsider if you were to buy some new word processing package, most LInux > distros have a basic feel, but different installation methods, I can see > how this would pose a problem for someone who would have to find a > package for their distro. Because there is only one windows, its easy to > purchase software. I think you see my point. > Ay, lets face it folks, Linux is not for everyone and neither is > windows, and neither is the Mac os. YOu pick what works best for you. Of > course thre are tinkers of cars, computers, and so on and that is what > most of us are. We are interested in the "under the hood" stuff. > > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Igor Gueths @ ` Erik Heil ` ccrawford ` Scott Howell 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Erik Heil @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey Igor, Well, this is interesting. .Net Server 2003 has a whole lot of command utilities. You can actually perform all administration tasks via the console and it even has a command shell. Wonder if they're actually ports of Unix utilities? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN > Hi Scott. Now that you brought it up, its true that everyone chooses what > works for them. Unfortunately, M$ wants to impose their system on > everyone, which really isn't going to work. Others like me, who like to > see all low-level functionality, and be able to do whatever they want, are > severely impaired by a system like Winblows, which both hides the > underlying workings of the box, and makes someone use their stupid gui no > matter who they are. I'm supposed to interact with a gui when I can do the > same thing much faster and tweek it much more on the command line? I don't > think so! > > May you code in the power of the source, > may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you, > throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch. > > On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Scott Howell wrote: > > > Ah, We're back to this topic again. > > > > Well folks the truth be told, the adverage person doesn't give a tiny > > tin damn about what os their machine runs, doesn't care to know ram from > > ram, and isn't even interested in fiddling about with the box. THey go > > to the store, purchase what they believe to be the best box for the > > bucks, come home, get out the big poster that tells them where to plug > > the keyboard, mouse, etc. in, and turn it on. What the adverage person > > does care about is how can the accomplish the task and how quickly > > without a great deal of fuss. The same applies to the adverage person > > who owns a car, they just want to drive and get where they are going. > > THey don't care how many cylinders it has, where its got a carb or fuel > > injected etc. I agree if your going to take on the task of learning an > > os, expect to hit bumps along the way and don't bitch, ask questions, > > read, learn, and so forth. > > So, now if you wonder why there are technicians in the world, now you > > know. So, lets not go about beatting others on the head because they > > aren't interested in Linux or say that Linux isn't ready for the > > adverage user. In fact Linux can be used by the adverage user once its > > install. They wouldn't have a clue or care if its windows or Linux as > > long as they can accomplish the task at hand. It holds true that the > > same adverage user probably wouldn't want to install windows either. > > Hell you buy a machine and it comes with the os already install and most > > all applications. Now if you handed someone a LInux box with everything > > on it, I'm sure they would be just as happy. I think the only challenge > > is perhaps installing some new application. There is no generic method > > I'm aware of to install some package you bought from the store. > > COnsider if you were to buy some new word processing package, most LInux > > distros have a basic feel, but different installation methods, I can see > > how this would pose a problem for someone who would have to find a > > package for their distro. Because there is only one windows, its easy to > > purchase software. I think you see my point. > > Ay, lets face it folks, Linux is not for everyone and neither is > > windows, and neither is the Mac os. YOu pick what works best for you. Of > > course thre are tinkers of cars, computers, and so on and that is what > > most of us are. We are interested in the "under the hood" stuff. > > > > Scott > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 (Build 294) Beta iQA/AwUBPde/jjmECcLUqviGEQKCiwCgyI7yF1oUWWzmvNDk6YAg1Uzu64kAn0zz rLF1GhSjfw6fbdAHKHa0OXO8 =CVi/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Erik Heil @ ` ccrawford ` John Lee 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: ccrawford @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Erick, That was interesting what you said about .net server. What kind of command line utilities and how did you access them with what speech prgram? -- Charlie. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` ccrawford @ ` John Lee 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: John Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Is .net server available yet or is it still the beta? -----Original Message----- From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of ccrawford@acb.org Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:05 PM To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Erick, That was interesting what you said about .net server. What kind of command line utilities and how did you access them with what speech prgram? -- Charlie. _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Igor Gueths ` Erik Heil @ ` Scott Howell 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Scott Howell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ah, you understand, but still are missing a part of my point. Yes, true you want to do all these things, but not everyone does. Those who choose Linux are not generally your typical user or are searching for something better. As far as whether a gui or commandline offers more control, well you could debate that point. I see the gui as making some tasks more efficient and the commandline allows probably for more flexibility and certainly for tweaking some like the output of a directory listing; well without a doubt its faster to type in what you wish to have as a result than it is to put check marks in boxes. Does this make more sense? Scott ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Scott Howell ` shaun_oliver ` Igor Gueths @ ` Kerry Hoath ` Scott Howell 2 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup A point on what Scott says; Sure they want to buy a car and drive where they want to go; but they need to learn how to drive first. Many people want to get work done with the minimum amount of effort. They want to type a document; hit the print button and look at a nicely formatted piece of text. Problem is; it gets work done; just not the best that can be done or the nicest with the effort pu t in. The wizards in publisher can crank out piles of shitty cards crappy calendars and boring clipart. We had to u se publisher for a desktop publishing course I did at TAFE; and a friend learnt how to use publisher properly. The teacher accused him of using Correl draw in stead of publisher and was amazed to see it was really publisher. He did not use the lame arsed card wizard; but h it the "start from scratch" button and designed the wh ole thing from the ground up. I know exactly why there are technitions; I am one after all. Problem is; computers aren't for everyone; neither is home improvement. Many people should never even pick up a hammer; many should also not touch computers without a little training. Knowledge is still required. I can show you plenty of blind people who still can't use jaws properly; insist on activating a button with enter; (It is actually yspace bar see below) and never use the jaws cursor. Take the example of the format disk dialog in win98/me/2k/xp. You format a disk and see the summary screen. You ok the screen and have focus on the close button. You hit enter and it formats the disk again. why? because the close button has focus but is not selected. hitting enter on a button will activate the default button; hitting space activates the button with focus. This is important in icq because hitting enter can close t he window. It'll all take time to sort we just need t he right training materials; people hwo want ot learn and some damn software speech. The one thing that stops many people from running linux is lack of software speech. It's either learn emacs emacspeak and use viavoice or use expensive screen reader eloquence or other natural sounding evil software speech t hat comes to bits on you if the machine is flakey. Software speech is nice; don't get me wrong; but got help you if your soundc ard is in any way marginal. Anyone remember the stutter problem with the early liveware? If we can get linux talking with alsa drivers; software speech and speakup or GUI accessability many more people will join the bandwagon. Software speech allows one to use a computer with no more than a soundcard and headphones or speakers. -- Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.net kerry@gotss.eu.org or kerry@gotss.spice.net.au ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Kerry Hoath @ ` Scott Howell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Scott Howell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ah, let me make sure I do state that in my mind, knowledge is power and a lack of knowledge is or the amount of knowledge is incumbent upon the user. Like the example of driving; you got a car, but its up to you to learn how to operate it and care for it. Of course caring for it can be either your job or you can pay someone to do it for you, but of course you can do it yourself and pay someone to do the things you are not equip to do. I think you can apply this to many things in life including computers. Scott ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Ed Barnes ` shaun_oliver @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Ann Parsons ` Igor Gueths 1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Ed and Mike, Ed, thanks for your thoughtful reply to Mike's complaint. The argument Mike made is sadly all too familiar to me after a career teaching students most of whom did not want to learn, but only wanted to "get their tickets punched" for meeting the minimum requirements. I struggled for years with how to respond to that problem. Sometimes I tried to address the needs of the poorer students on the theory that better students will get it anyway, no matter what I do, and it is the poorer ones who need maximum attention. So I tried to be 'user friendly'. What I found was that better students were in fact not learning all that well, and everybody gravitated toward the LCD (least common denominator). And sometimes I just pushed for excellence which delighted the best students and offended the followers. I often had folks come to my office in some distress to ask, "Do we have to know all that stuff?" That was so sad. One time a student spoke to me just before class and said he had missed the last class session. He wanted to know if I had said anything important. Providing a user friendly OS that can be installed by a disinterested novice entirely automatically is much like teaching to the 'C' student. It spreads the word and gets everyone started, but it also blocks the way forward for those who not only want to know what is happening, but who will assimilate that knowledge and build on it. Mike's argument for a painless install geared to a naive beginner is actually an elitest argument that deprives the beginner of immediate and beneficial contact with his system. Not everyone will go on to become an expert, but everyone will be invited to do so, and many will accept the invitation. Before the days of political correctness we never used the term 'user friendly'. I think we meant just about the same thing when we boasted that something was designed to be 'idiot proof'. Congratulations to Janina for pursuing the CSUN presentation. I am not sure that live streaming is critical, but a good tape recording converted to a digital format would be a wonderful resource. Oh yes, and I would plug for the ogg/vorbis format too. Chuck PS - I am really happy to be retired - it gives me a chance to finally think about what I have been up to all this while. On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Ed Barnes wrote: > Hi Mike, sounds like you are easily impressed and before you get the > temptation to flame might I tell you that I nailed the install using > speakup on first try, I have done it a few times since. -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (94% of Full) So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Ann Parsons ` Igor Gueths 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, Great post, Chuck, great post! Keep 'em comin'. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* RE: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Ann Parsons @ ` Igor Gueths 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Igor Gueths @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Chuck. Very good points. You're absolutely right on the expert thing. Everyone who installs Linux will be invited to become an expert at how their system works, and many will accept the invitation. However, sadly, many will keep playing the M$ game, and be masked from the underlying hardware and software by a silly gui that doesn't promote all the functionality I would expect from an operating system for example. May you code in the power of the source, may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you, throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch. On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote: > Hi Ed and Mike, > > Ed, thanks for your thoughtful reply to Mike's complaint. The > argument Mike made is sadly all too familiar to me after a career > teaching students most of whom did not want to learn, but only > wanted to "get their tickets punched" for meeting the minimum > requirements. > > I struggled for years with how to respond to that problem. > Sometimes I tried to address the needs of the poorer students on > the theory that better students will get it anyway, no matter > what I do, and it is the poorer ones who need maximum attention. > So I tried to be 'user friendly'. What I found was that better > students were in fact not learning all that well, and everybody > gravitated toward the LCD (least common denominator). And > sometimes I just pushed for excellence which delighted the best > students and offended the followers. I often had folks come to my > office in some distress to ask, "Do we have to know all that > stuff?" That was so sad. One time a student spoke to me just > before class and said he had missed the last class session. He > wanted to know if I had said anything important. > > Providing a user friendly OS that can be installed by a > disinterested novice entirely automatically is much like teaching > to the 'C' student. It spreads the word and gets everyone > started, but it also blocks the way forward for those who not > only want to know what is happening, but who will assimilate that > knowledge and build on it. > > Mike's argument for a painless install geared to a naive beginner > is actually an elitest argument that deprives the beginner of > immediate and beneficial contact with his system. Not everyone > will go on to become an expert, but everyone will be invited to > do so, and many will accept the invitation. > > Before the days of political correctness we never used the term > 'user friendly'. I think we meant just about the same thing when > we boasted that something was designed to be 'idiot proof'. > > Congratulations to Janina for pursuing the CSUN presentation. I > am not sure that live streaming is critical, but a good tape > recording converted to a digital format would be a wonderful > resource. Oh yes, and I would plug for the ogg/vorbis format too. > > Chuck > > PS - I am really happy to be retired - it gives me a chance to > finally think about what I have been up to all this while. > > > On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Ed Barnes wrote: > > > Hi Mike, sounds like you are easily impressed and before you get the > > temptation to flame might I tell you that I nailed the install using > > speakup on first try, I have done it a few times since. > > -- > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (94% of Full) > So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` michael malver ` Ed Barnes @ ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well, I think I understand your concern, but I don't understand how having an experienced person doing the install is going to teach anyone anything. Would you want to learn chemistry from somebody who didn't know anything about chemistry? I think not. I think you'd want a good teacher. That's the nub of it, in my view. There are good teachers, and then there are not such good teachers. Of course, the same can be said for students. That last statement is a general statement, it's not about you specifically. I don't know anything about what happened to you. michael malver writes: > From: "michael malver" <mmalver@visi.com> > > What wouod impress me is if someone who knew little about linux and the > screen reader could do the demo. The reason Im still a windblows user is > because I was only able to instal linux with the patient help of friends. It > took two hours to make it even remotely useable. That to me is not the sign > of a user-friendly system. > I would be impressed if you could get a computer-savey person who didn't > know much about linux to operate the screen reader, and do the install. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:43 PM > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN > > > Hey, Jim: > > Yes, I think it would be possible to stream. It may be more hocus-pocus then > there is time for, but it certainly is worth thinking about. If at all > possible, I would want to do it. The room does have Internet, meaning > ethernet, I believe. So, I could stream over my laptop whilst we blow away > Windows > and install Linux on the system there, or something like that. > > I don't know about what experience leve I will have. I imagine your > estimation is correct, mostly AT and Windows familiarity. > > jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov writes: > > From: jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov > > > > Hi Janina, > > Is your audience going to be experienced linux users? If not, why not > > demonstrate remotely shutting down a system? I have always considered > > this very useful when my system was threatened by a thunderstorm. > > I'm assuming there will be a majority of people familiar with > > accessibility products but not linux. Is there any possibility that can > > broadcast the conference via a live stream? > > > > Jim Wantz WB0TFK > > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina > > Sajka wrote: > > > > > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a > Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > > > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, > which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, > (LAX), this > > > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > > > > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup > Screen Reader > > > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > > > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > > > Start Time: 2:00 pm > > > End Time: 4:40 pm > > > Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel > > > > > > Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so > that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to > > > demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas > and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this > coming > > > March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief > remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` jwantz ` Janina Sajka @ ` ccrawford ` Ann Parsons 1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: ccrawford @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I wonder if ACB Radio could stream it? Would it be worth it? -- Charlie. On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 jwantz@babel.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > Hi Janina, > Is your audience going to be experienced linux users? If not, why not > demonstrate remotely shutting down a system? I have always considered > this very useful when my system was threatened by a thunderstorm. > I'm assuming there will be a majority of people familiar with > accessibility products but not linux. Is there any possibility that can > broadcast the conference via a live stream? > > Jim Wantz WB0TFK > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina > Sajka wrote: > > > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 > > Start Time: 2:00 pm > > End Time: 4:40 pm > > Room: Chicago/Dallas, at the Marriott Hotel > > > > Please note that we will have Internet access at this presentation, so that our completed installation will be accessible over SSH. I would like to > > demonstrate this to those who attend in person. So, I'm open to ideas and suggestions from those on this list who will NOT be attending CSUN this coming > > March. What compelling capacity of Linux might be worthy of a brief remote demonstration? Please let me know your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` ccrawford @ ` Ann Parsons ` Charles Crawford 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, Yes, Charlie, it would be worth it! Can you talk to Jonathan about it? If Matt Campbell is going to be at CSUN, courtesy of Freedom Box, maybe he could be snagged as well. It would be also worth interviewing the Gnompernicus folks at that time. Me thinks three months will make a difference in their progress as well. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Ann Parsons @ ` Charles Crawford ` Patrick Turnage 0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread From: Charles Crawford @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup hello Ann and interested listers, I already have contacted Jonathan with respect to the idea of streaming the Linux install. He has not gotten back to me as yet and there may be reasons not to do it, but worth exploring. -- charlie Crawford. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN ` Charles Crawford @ ` Patrick Turnage 0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Patrick Turnage @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi I have a suggestion if streaming is not an option. Maybe someone can get a good tape recorder or a laptop and can encode it in to ogg or mp3 and then just place it online at a later date. Since the people listening live to the stream will not be able to pertisipate in the demonstration anyway who cares if it is real time or not.. Like I said this is just another option if a stream is not available. ----- Patrick Turnage E-mail: pturnage@tampabay.rr.com AOL Instant Messenger: kg4dqk Home Page: http://www.access-connect.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
* Re: Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Installing Linux with Speakup Scheduled at CSUN Janina Sajka ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` jwantz @ ` Toby Fisher 3 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread From: Toby Fisher @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > I am pleased to announce that the installation and configuration of a Linux computer, using Red Hat 8.0 with Speakup, will be demonstrated at the > upcoming CSUN Conference, Technology and Persons with Disabilities, which will be held in hotels near the Los Angeles International Airport, (LAX), this > coming March. You are invited to attend. > > Session Title: How To Install Red Hat Linux Using Only The Speakup Screen Reader > Presenter name: Janina Sajka > Date: Friday, 21 March 2003 <snip> Do! I don't suppopse you could bring it forward a month? *smile* I'm going to be in Vancoover from the 15-22 Feb. and it would be so much easier to just hop on a plane from there. Cheers. -- Toby Fisher Email: toby@tjfisher.co.uk Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239 ICQ: #61744808 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 31+ messages in thread
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