considering gentoo over debian

considering gentoo over debian

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the packages I 
want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and 
similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is another 
example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you really 
want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo 
installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and 
should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try it 
and see what it is like.

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Re: considering gentoo over debian

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Nick,

On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:47:01PM -0400, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the packages I 
> want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and 
> similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is another 
> example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you really 
> want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo 
> installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and 
> should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try it 
> and see what it is like.

Gentoo release 2007.0 has speakup on the live cd.  You should be able to
get it from here.

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml

Also, there is a link on that page to the installation handbook which
will assist you with choosing the correct iso.

Let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks much.

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William Hubbs
gentoo accessibility team lead
williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: considering gentoo over debian

[Marcel Oats]

Hi, are you saying that they have dropped speakup from the normal 
distribution?  The live cd contains the networkless install, is that correct?
Thanks,
Marcel
At 10:18 a.m. 4/08/2007, you wrote:
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>Hi Nick,
>
>On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:47:01PM -0400, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the packages I
> > want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and
> > similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is another
> > example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you really
> > want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo
> > installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and
> > should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try it
> > and see what it is like.
>
>Gentoo release 2007.0 has speakup on the live cd.  You should be able to
>get it from here.
>
>http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
>
>Also, there is a link on that page to the installation handbook which
>will assist you with choosing the correct iso.
>
>Let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks much.
>
>- --
>William Hubbs
>gentoo accessibility team lead
>williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: considering gentoo over debian

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, If I download and burn the live CD and find I like it is there a way to 
install it to my hard drive after reformating my linux partition and what 
file systems does this version support?
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From: "William Hubbs" <williamh@gentoo.org>
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Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: considering gentoo over debian


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> Hi Nick,
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> On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:47:01PM -0400, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>> Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the packages I
>> want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and
>> similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is another
>> example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you really
>> want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo
>> installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and
>> should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try it
>> and see what it is like.
>
> Gentoo release 2007.0 has speakup on the live cd.  You should be able to
> get it from here.
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
>
> Also, there is a link on that page to the installation handbook which
> will assist you with choosing the correct iso.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks much.
>
> - --
> William Hubbs
> gentoo accessibility team lead
> williamh@gentoo.org
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RE: considering gentoo over debian

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

I hope you get on with gentoo, but if I read your message right your going to be very disappointed.  It seems that you want to just do a couple of commands and have every thing installed.  This maybe alright for Windows, but with Linux you have choice, why install that software you don't want.  If I may be so bold to suggest that you stick with Fedora.

What you say about debian is simply not true, of course it has those packages and you have the freedom to choose what you want and that you don't.  Your Windows mind set needs adapting to accommodate freedom.  If you want a deb based distro, have you looked at ubuntu?

Regards

Gena

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Subject: considering gentoo over debian


Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the packages I 
want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and 
similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is another 
example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you really 
want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo 
installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and 
should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try it 
and see what it is like.

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Re: considering gentoo over debian

[William Hubbs]

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Hi Marcel,

yes, unfortunately, speakup is not compatible with kernels newer than
2.6.21, so it has been dropped from gentoo after release 2007.0.

I've never done a networkless install, but if you go to the link I
supplied below, one of the handbooks there is for doing this and should
point you the right direction.  Let me know if you have any questions.

On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 11:30:26AM +1200, Marcel Oats wrote:
> Hi, are you saying that they have dropped speakup from the normal 
> distribution?  The live cd contains the networkless install, is that correct?
> Thanks,
> Marcel
> At 10:18 a.m. 4/08/2007, you wrote:
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> >Hi Nick,
> >
> >On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:47:01PM -0400, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > > Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the packages I
> > > want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and
> > > similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is another
> > > example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you really
> > > want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo
> > > installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and
> > > should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try it
> > > and see what it is like.
> >
> >Gentoo release 2007.0 has speakup on the live cd.  You should be able to
> >get it from here.
> >
> >http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
> >
> >Also, there is a link on that page to the installation handbook which
> >will assist you with choosing the correct iso.
> >
> >Let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks much.
> >
> >- --
> >William Hubbs
> >gentoo accessibility team lead
> >williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: considering gentoo over debian

[Marcel Oats]

Hi William, I actually downloaded the iso for the networkless install 
and was able to get it up and happening.
Yes, the handbook is very easy to follow.
Thanks.
Marcel
At 06:53 a.m. 5/08/2007, you wrote:
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>Hi Marcel,
>
>yes, unfortunately, speakup is not compatible with kernels newer than
>2.6.21, so it has been dropped from gentoo after release 2007.0.
>
>I've never done a networkless install, but if you go to the link I
>supplied below, one of the handbooks there is for doing this and should
>point you the right direction.  Let me know if you have any questions.
>
>On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 11:30:26AM +1200, Marcel Oats wrote:
> > Hi, are you saying that they have dropped speakup from the normal
> > distribution?  The live cd contains the networkless install, is 
> that correct?
> > Thanks,
> > Marcel
> > At 10:18 a.m. 4/08/2007, you wrote:
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> > >Hi Nick,
> > >
> > >On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:47:01PM -0400, Nick Gawronski wrote:
> > > > Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the packages I
> > > > want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and
> > > > similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is another
> > > > example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you really
> > > > want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo
> > > > installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and
> > > > should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try it
> > > > and see what it is like.
> > >
> > >Gentoo release 2007.0 has speakup on the live cd.  You should be able to
> > >get it from here.
> > >
> > >http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
> > >
> > >Also, there is a link on that page to the installation handbook which
> > >will assist you with choosing the correct iso.
> > >
> > >Let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks much.
> > >
> > >- --
> > >William Hubbs
> > >gentoo accessibility team lead
> > >williamh@gentoo.org
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Re: considering gentoo over debian

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I disagree,  mutch of the hand book does not really tell you everything. 
In menuselect you have to press the space bar to select a mirror and none of 
them are numberd.  Also the installer in the live CD is totally broken.  The 
boot option unionfs does not work in the live CD and when emerge tells me 
one configuration file in /etc/ needs updating and I go into that directory 
the configuration file is an init script for nscd.  I see no changes that 
need to be made.  Someone needs to update the handbook with updated 
directions.  following the chrooting directions did not make sence as it 
says >regenerateing /etc/ld.so.cache but if I were to type that empty files 
would be created.  I really think someone should look into updating the live 
CD to fix the text based installer and updating the handbook.  Tools for 
making a grub.conf file out of your existing kernels and initrds would also 
be a nice thing.  If I use genkernel and a newer version of the 
gentoo-sources is there that is different or has newer configuration options 
then the installation kernel will I be prompted for these options or how 
will it handle it?  Is there a way of just copying the installation CD 
kernel over and using that as my kernel?
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Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: considering gentoo over debian


> Hi William, I actually downloaded the iso for the networkless install
> and was able to get it up and happening.
> Yes, the handbook is very easy to follow.
> Thanks.
> Marcel
> At 06:53 a.m. 5/08/2007, you wrote:
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>>Hi Marcel,
>>
>>yes, unfortunately, speakup is not compatible with kernels newer than
>>2.6.21, so it has been dropped from gentoo after release 2007.0.
>>
>>I've never done a networkless install, but if you go to the link I
>>supplied below, one of the handbooks there is for doing this and should
>>point you the right direction.  Let me know if you have any questions.
>>
>>On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 11:30:26AM +1200, Marcel Oats wrote:
>> > Hi, are you saying that they have dropped speakup from the normal
>> > distribution?  The live cd contains the networkless install, is
>> that correct?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Marcel
>> > At 10:18 a.m. 4/08/2007, you wrote:
>> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> > >
>> > >Hi Nick,
>> > >
>> > >On Fri, Aug 03, 2007 at 05:47:01PM -0400, Nick Gawronski wrote:
>> > > > Hi, I am currently using debian etch\ but as not all of the 
>> > > > packages I
>> > > > want are included in debian by default like autoconf, automake and
>> > > > similar packages I need to install them using apt-get.  gcc is 
>> > > > another
>> > > > example as it is listed as the build-essential package if you 
>> > > > really
>> > > > want to compile things.  What is the latest version of the gentoo
>> > > > installation CD that does not require X windows and has speakup and
>> > > > should work with a dectalk express?  I would like to at least try 
>> > > > it
>> > > > and see what it is like.
>> > >
>> > >Gentoo release 2007.0 has speakup on the live cd.  You should be able 
>> > >to
>> > >get it from here.
>> > >
>> > >http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
>> > >
>> > >Also, there is a link on that page to the installation handbook which
>> > >will assist you with choosing the correct iso.
>> > >
>> > >Let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks much.
>> > >
>> > >- --
>> > >William Hubbs
>> > >gentoo accessibility team lead
>> > >williamh@gentoo.org
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>>williamh@gentoo.org
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