* lookin' good @ ScottHowell ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: ScottHowell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well you know someone once told me that if your facing a really big problem, go sleep on it and come back to it in the morning/evening. Sure enough they were correct. I sat here lastnight trying to figure out what was not right. I kept looking over the output of my make dep process and it just wouldn't come to me. I had verified that everything was where it aut to be. I then happen to run make menuconfig to make a minor change in anticipation of eventually compiling a kernel. Well that process wouldn't work either. Seems it couldn't find ncurses. So, then I just knew something was amiss. I fired-up the one spare brain cell I have and looked at ld.so.conf and sure enough there was only one line. It was pointing to /usr/X11R6/libs so I added two more lines, /usr/lib and /lib. Not sure if /lib is redundant and perhaps someone could shed some light on that or if there's any other directories I aut to be referencing in that file. I then ran ldconfig and attempted my make menuconfig which worked then finally make dep which as of this minute looks to have gone well. I suspect the rest should go well. I guess before I posted my msg, I should have just kept hacking and hacking at the problem. I've never had to worry about kernels not compiling cause some lib was lost, but it pays to really look at the problem and just think about what could be wrong. Sorry for wasting the bw. It really does pay to try and hack the problem yourself first, but I have to admitt that lastnight I simply had no clue where to find the answer. I think stepping away a while helps to clear the mind and get things back into perspective. I had enough problems for one day so at 11:30 pm its was time to quit. Glad I did. --- Scott Linux, when you need a real os. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good lookin' good ScottHowell @ ` Janina Sajka ` Scott Howell ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Scott: I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I learned to go to sleep. Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going on this kind of crazy schedule. Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Janina Sajka @ ` Scott Howell ` Gregory Nowak ` (2 more replies) ` Amanda Lee ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Scott Howell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Janina Sajka; +Cc: speakup Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems to be. cul --- Scott On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > Scott: > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > learned to go to sleep. > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Scott Howell @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Kenny Hitt ` jwantz 2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hope they didn't get burnt (grin). Greg On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 05:56:30PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote: > Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm > actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and > that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate > dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in > nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and > it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it > was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it > was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff > out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was > roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well > whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems > to be. > > cul > > > > > --- > Scott > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Scott: > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Scott Howell ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Kenny Hitt ` jwantz 2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, I know what you mean about apt-get and dpkg. I'm still making mistakes which cause them to stop working, or start behaving real strange. The good thing is, I usually don't make the same mistake again! Now, back to trying to get DHCP working with Comcast@home. Kenny On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 05:56:30PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote: > Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm > actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and > that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate > dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in > nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and > it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it > was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it > was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff > out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was > roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well > whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems > to be. > > cul > > > > > --- > Scott > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Scott: > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Scott Howell ` Gregory Nowak ` Kenny Hitt @ ` jwantz ` Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: jwantz @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Scott, if you need any help with C I'd be glad to help. I love teaching that language! 73s Jim WB0TFK On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote: > Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm > actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and > that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate > dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in > nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and > it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it > was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it > was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff > out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was > roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well > whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems > to be. > > cul > > > > > --- > Scott > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Scott: > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` jwantz @ ` Amanda Lee ` jwantz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup If you know of etext C Books,please write me offline. My new job is Unix and C and C is not my strongest language as I was a Mainframe Developer in IBM/370 Assembler and COBOL in my former life! Thanks! - Amanda Lee On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > Scott, if you need any help with C I'd be glad to help. I love teaching > that language! > > 73s > Jim WB0TFK > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote: > > > Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm > > actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and > > that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate > > dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in > > nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and > > it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it > > was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it > > was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff > > out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was > > roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well > > whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems > > to be. > > > > cul > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Scott > > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > Scott: > > > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Amanda Lee @ ` jwantz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: jwantz @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Amanda Lee; +Cc: speakup Hi Amanda, >From Cobol to C, that is quite a transition! My offer to help extends to you too of course--besides I understand from somebody that you are a n escapee from the Florida State Prison otherwise known as Florida D&B. If you can survive that you can make the transition to UNIX and C easily! (big grin). As far as C programming is concerned you should probably get a book like C Primer Plus. Of course you should definitely get the Kernighan and Ritchie book but I wouldn't read that one first. A good introductory book for UNIX is Exploring Unix and I think the authors were Kochan and Wood You can write me at jwantz@home.com and I'll look through my books at home and give you a better idea. As I'm sure you guessed I too spent six years at St. Augustine. A few years before you though, I'm afraid. Jim Wantz On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Amanda Lee wrote: > If you know of etext C Books,please write me offline. My new job is Unix > and C and C is not my strongest language as I was a Mainframe Developer in > IBM/370 Assembler and COBOL in my former life! > > Thanks! - Amanda Lee > > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > Scott, if you need any help with C I'd be glad to help. I love teaching > > that language! > > > > 73s > > Jim WB0TFK > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote: > > > > > Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm > > > actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and > > > that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate > > > dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in > > > nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and > > > it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it > > > was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it > > > was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff > > > out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was > > > roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well > > > whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems > > > to be. > > > > > > cul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Scott > > > > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > > > > > Scott: > > > > > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > > > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > > > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > > > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > > > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > > > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Janina Sajka ` Scott Howell @ ` Amanda Lee ` Charles Hallenbeck ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yup, back in the 70's when I was in college at the University of West Florida, Pensacola, FL, (yeah! some of us did live back then!), we only got one turn around per day for our programming assignments. While taking an IBM 360 Assembler Language course, I often would wake-up in the middle of the night with the horrific! realization that o (explitive! ! ! ! ! !) I didn't code that right and it crashed! Believe me! there was no guarantee that the next 24 hours would bring peace! love 'n happiness! After awhile some of us talked the operators into allowing us to run our own partition so we could work from about midnight to 3A.M. so we could get perhaps a few more turn arounds per day. Amanda Lee On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote: > Scott: > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > learned to go to sleep. > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Amanda Lee @ ` Charles Hallenbeck ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Charles Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup It is helpful to remember that there are four steps to solving difficult problems: application, incubation, inspiration, and verification. 1. Application: work your butt off, burn the midnight candle, hit the books, try everything you can think of; 2. Incubation: Take a break, sleep on it, do something else, be good to your spouse for a change! 3. Inspiration: AH HA! Eureka! Why didn't I think of that sooner? How obvious! I am so clever I really feel stupid! 4. Verification: Better try out your brilliant fix, maybe you overlooked something, put your money where your mouth is, maybe you are not as bright as you thought you were in step 3, but just maybe you really are. Danger danger danger!!! Steps 1 and 4 are hard work and must not be skipped. It does not do you any good to sleep on it if you have not done your homework, and sometimes a brilliant idea that comes to you in a dream is really not that brilliant when you put it to the test, so ALWAYS put it to the test in the cold light of day. Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh The Moon is Waning Crescent (1% of Full) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Charles Hallenbeck @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I love that chuck. hey? how do you get that pom to appear as your signature? and just outa interest, how much experience have you had with programming in general? but as for the part about doing your homework before you attack a problem, I couldn't agree more. shaun.. FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the corrupt . FEAR: Fear is my alli. On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote: > It is helpful to remember that there are four steps to solving difficult > problems: application, incubation, inspiration, and verification. > > 1. Application: work your butt off, burn the midnight candle, hit the > books, try everything you can think of; > 2. Incubation: Take a break, sleep on it, do something else, be good to > your spouse for a change! > 3. Inspiration: AH HA! Eureka! Why didn't I think of that sooner? How > obvious! I am so clever I really feel stupid! > 4. Verification: Better try out your brilliant fix, maybe you overlooked > something, put your money where your mouth is, maybe you are not as bright > as you thought you were in step 3, but just maybe you really are. > > Danger danger danger!!! Steps 1 and 4 are hard work and must not be > skipped. It does not do you any good to sleep on it if you have not done > your homework, and sometimes a brilliant idea that comes to you in a dream > is really not that brilliant when you put it to the test, so ALWAYS put > it to the test in the cold light of day. > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > The Moon is Waning Crescent (1% of Full) > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Charles Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Looking at the code for afix and provox7, I'd say that Chuck has had a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++ if not in anything else in addition. Greg On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 09:34:53PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > I love that chuck. > hey? how do you get that pom to appear as your signature? and just outa > interest, how much experience have you had with programming in general? > but as for the part about doing your homework before you attack a problem, > I couldn't agree more. > > > shaun.. > > FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the > corrupt > . FEAR: Fear is my alli. > > On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote: > > > It is helpful to remember that there are four steps to solving difficult > > problems: application, incubation, inspiration, and verification. > > > > 1. Application: work your butt off, burn the midnight candle, hit the > > books, try everything you can think of; > > 2. Incubation: Take a break, sleep on it, do something else, be good to > > your spouse for a change! > > 3. Inspiration: AH HA! Eureka! Why didn't I think of that sooner? How > > obvious! I am so clever I really feel stupid! > > 4. Verification: Better try out your brilliant fix, maybe you overlooked > > something, put your money where your mouth is, maybe you are not as bright > > as you thought you were in step 3, but just maybe you really are. > > > > Danger danger danger!!! Steps 1 and 4 are hard work and must not be > > skipped. It does not do you any good to sleep on it if you have not done > > your homework, and sometimes a brilliant idea that comes to you in a dream > > is really not that brilliant when you put it to the test, so ALWAYS put > > it to the test in the cold light of day. > > > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > The Moon is Waning Crescent (1% of Full) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Charles Hallenbeck ` Buddy Brannan ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Charles Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup > Looking at the code for afix and provox7, > I'd say that Chuck has had > a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++ > if not in anything else in addition. I have been writing programs for such a long time that my first computer was an abacus - a serious one - it had 21 rods! <smile> My problem is that I write terrible code for others to read. It usually works, but is no fun to look at. My other problem is that I am not keeping as current as I should - I nowadays program by habit. I think it is fair to say that I write stuff in C+ (more than C, but hardly in a full C++ dialect). But I have written (and taught) a variety of languages. My favorite thing to do is to run down and squash nasty bugs, and my own code gives me all the opportunities I could ever want in that regard! <smile> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh The Moon is New ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Charles Hallenbeck @ ` Buddy Brannan ` Charles Hallenbeck ` Shaun Oliver 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup A 21-rod abacus?! Hey, now that's cool! Only ones I've ever seen were of the 13-rod variety. No, I take that back. I've seen a Japanese one where the beads didn't stay put...faster movement, but not very good for blind folks...and it was really long! I don't remember how many rods it had. Also saw a Chinese abacus which I guess was numbered in hex! (It had two 5's and five 1's...hehe) I have two standard Cranmer abacuses 9abaci?) around here, both of which have the odd loose column...maybe I'll replace one of them one of these days. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV | From the pines down to the projects, Email: davros@ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks. Phone: (972) 276-6360 | And it's only going forward, ICQ: 36621210 | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Buddy Brannan @ ` Charles Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Charles Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup > A 21-rod abacus?! Hey, now that's cool! Only ones I've ever seen were > of the 13-rod variety. I guess this was a double precision item! <smile> Actually you could do separate problems on different regions of it - sort of like opening another console on Linux! The Chinese abacus with 5+2 beads is not hex, just decimal. You can postpone the carry that way, although I am not sure any more why you would want to do that. I bought that thing in a Chinese restaurant in Cleveland which also did imports, and it came with an instruction manual written in a kind of pigeon English that was right out of an old Charlie Chan movie - a real riot. With all those rods I guess you could call it a Fortran machine! Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh The Moon is New ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Charles Hallenbeck ` Buddy Brannan @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup hey chuck have you ever thought of seriously telling macro slop what you really think of their code? just imagine it! a blind dood tellin microsoft that they suck at coding an os. hahahahaha Shaun.. ------------------------------------ Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! http://www.eboom.com/free/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@mhonline.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: Re: lookin' good > > Looking at the code for afix and provox7, > > I'd say that Chuck has had > > a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++ > > if not in anything else in addition. > > I have been writing programs for such a long time that my first computer > was an abacus - a serious one - it had 21 rods! <smile> > > My problem is that I write terrible code for others to read. It usually > works, but is no fun to look at. My other problem is that I am not keeping > as current as I should - I nowadays program by habit. > > I think it is fair to say that I write stuff in C+ (more than C, but > hardly in a full C++ dialect). But I have written (and taught) a variety > of languages. My favorite thing to do is to run down and squash nasty > bugs, and my own code gives me all the opportunities I could ever want in > that regard! <smile> > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > The Moon is New > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup And what would that really accomplish? Greg On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 12:06:47AM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > hey chuck have you ever thought of seriously telling macro slop what you > really think of their code? just imagine it! a blind dood tellin microsoft > that they suck at coding an os. hahahahaha > Shaun.. > > > ------------------------------------ > Make Unlimited phone calls from your PC to ANY phone in the World! > http://www.eboom.com/free/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@mhonline.net> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:58 AM > Subject: Re: lookin' good > > > > > Looking at the code for afix and provox7, > > > I'd say that Chuck has had > > > a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++ > > > if not in anything else in addition. > > > > I have been writing programs for such a long time that my first computer > > was an abacus - a serious one - it had 21 rods! <smile> > > > > My problem is that I write terrible code for others to read. It usually > > works, but is no fun to look at. My other problem is that I am not keeping > > as current as I should - I nowadays program by habit. > > > > I think it is fair to say that I write stuff in C+ (more than C, but > > hardly in a full C++ dialect). But I have written (and taught) a variety > > of languages. My favorite thing to do is to run down and squash nasty > > bugs, and my own code gives me all the opportunities I could ever want in > > that regard! <smile> > > > > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > The Moon is New > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Janina Sajka ` Scott Howell ` Amanda Lee @ ` Gregory Nowak ` John W. Cummings ` Scott Howell 2 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not? I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly at a problem to help you solve it. Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you. Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem. Greg On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > Scott: > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > learned to go to sleep. > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > Learn how to make accessible software at > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Gregory Nowak @ ` John W. Cummings ` Gregory Nowak ` Scott Howell 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: John W. Cummings @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup; +Cc: John W. Cummings Hi Jania & Greg, "Dreaming is the best way to travel." Credit: Moody Blues. On a slightly more serious note, I've survived these many years of staying up into the wee hours by way of taking what someone's call "power naps" = naps of 20 to 30 minutes but NOT and hour and I find myself waking up refreshed! And good for many more hours. Back to answers in a dream" -- been there and had that experience. Wonder who else out there has had this experience? This is my first posting since joining speakup@braille and hope it's appropriate? John in California ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: lookin' good > The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not? > I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly > at a problem to help you solve it. > Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you. > Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem. > Greg > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Scott: > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` John W. Cummings @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup If Kirk R isn't telling us to drop this quickly digressing thread, then I think it's ok. Greg On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 10:18:31PM -0700, John W. Cummings wrote: > Hi Jania & Greg, > > "Dreaming is the best way to travel." Credit: Moody Blues. On a slightly > more serious note, > I've survived these many years of staying up into the wee hours by way of > taking what someone's call "power naps" = naps of 20 to 30 minutes but NOT > and hour and I find myself waking up refreshed! And good for many more > hours. Back to answers in a dream" -- been there and had that experience. > Wonder who else out there has had this experience? > > This is my first posting since joining speakup@braille and hope it's > appropriate? > > > John in California > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: lookin' good > > > > The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not? > > I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly > > at a problem to help you solve it. > > Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you. > > Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem. > > Greg > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Scott: > > > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. > I > > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed > having > > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and > on > > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately > correct. > > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me > going > > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: lookin' good ` Gregory Nowak ` John W. Cummings @ ` Scott Howell 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Scott Howell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hmmmm, dream, well then I'mm off on some rant about beautiful blonds and well....um this never seems to work. Damn, that must be my problem.<grin> I've been told my brain is a horrifying place. --- Scott On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote: > The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not? > I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly > at a problem to help you solve it. > Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you. > Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem. > Greg > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Scott: > > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I > > learned to go to sleep. > > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change. > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc. > > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct. > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going > > on this kind of crazy schedule. > > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write. > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > > http://www.openebook.org > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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