lookin' good

lookin' good

[ScottHowell]

Well you know someone once told me that if your facing a really big
problem, go sleep on it and come back to it in the morning/evening. Sure
enough they were correct. I sat here lastnight trying to figure out what
was not right. I kept looking over the output of my make dep process and
it just wouldn't come to me. I had verified that everything was where it
aut to be.
I then happen to run make menuconfig to make a minor change in
anticipation of eventually compiling a kernel. Well that process wouldn't
work either. Seems it couldn't find ncurses. So, then I just knew
something was amiss. I fired-up the one spare brain cell I have and looked
at ld.so.conf and sure enough there was only one line. It was pointing to
/usr/X11R6/libs so I added two more lines, /usr/lib and /lib. Not sure if
/lib is redundant and perhaps someone could shed some light on that or if
there's any other directories I aut to be referencing in that file. I then
ran ldconfig and attempted my make menuconfig which worked then finally
make dep  which as of this minute looks to have gone well. I suspect the
rest should go well. I guess before I posted my msg, I should have just
kept hacking and hacking at the problem. I've never had to worry about
kernels not compiling cause some lib was lost, but it pays to really look
at the problem and just think about what could be wrong.

Sorry for wasting the bw. It really does pay to try and hack the problem
yourself first, but I have to admitt that lastnight I simply had no clue
where to find the answer. I think stepping away a while helps to clear the
mind and get things back into perspective. I had enough problems for one
day so at 11:30 pm its was time to quit. Glad I did.



---
Scott 
Linux, when you need a real os.

Re: lookin' good

[Janina Sajka]

Scott:

I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
learned to go to sleep.

Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.

PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
on this kind of crazy schedule.

Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.


-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: lookin' good

[Scott Howell]

Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm
actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and
that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate
dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in
nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and
it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it
was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it
was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff
out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was
roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well
whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems
to be.

cul




---
Scott 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Scott:
> 
> I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> learned to go to sleep.
> 
> Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> 
> PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> on this kind of crazy schedule.
> 
> Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> 
> 
> 

Re: lookin' good

[Amanda Lee]

Yup,

back in the 70's when I was in college at the University of West Florida,
Pensacola, FL,  (yeah! some of us did live back
then!), we only got one turn around per day for our programming
assignments.  While taking an IBM 360 Assembler Language course, I often
would wake-up in the middle of the night with the horrific! realization
that o (explitive! ! ! ! ! !) I didn't code that right and it crashed!
Believe me! there was no guarantee that the next 24 hours would bring
peace! love 'n happiness!  After awhile some of us talked the operators
into allowing us to run our own partition so we could work from about
midnight to 3A.M. so we could get perhaps a few more turn arounds per day.

Amanda Lee



On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Scott:
>
> I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> learned to go to sleep.
>
> Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
>
> PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> on this kind of crazy schedule.
>
> Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
>
>
> --
>
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
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Re: lookin' good

[Gregory Nowak]

The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not?
I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly
at a problem to help you solve it.
Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you.
Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem.
Greg


On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Scott:
> 
> I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> learned to go to sleep.
> 
> Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> 
> PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> on this kind of crazy schedule.
> 
> Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> 
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> 
> 
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Re: lookin' good

[Gregory Nowak]

Hope they didn't get burnt (grin).
Greg


On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 05:56:30PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote:
> Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm
> actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and
> that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate
> dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in
> nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and
> it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it
> was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it
> was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff
> out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was
> roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well
> whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems
> to be.
> 
> cul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Scott 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Scott:
> > 
> > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> > learned to go to sleep.
> > 
> > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> > 
> > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> > 
> > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: lookin' good

[John W. Cummings]

Hi Jania & Greg,

"Dreaming is the best way to travel."  Credit: Moody Blues.  On a slightly
more serious note,
I've survived these many years of staying up into the wee hours by way of
taking what someone's call "power naps" = naps of 20 to 30 minutes but NOT
and hour and I find myself waking up refreshed!  And good for many more
hours.  Back to answers in a dream" -- been there and had that experience.
Wonder who else out there has had this experience?

This is my first posting since joining speakup@braille and hope it's
appropriate?


John in California
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: lookin' good


> The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not?
> I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly
> at a problem to help you solve it.
> Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you.
> Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem.
> Greg
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Scott:
> >
> > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong.
I
> > learned to go to sleep.
> >
> > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed
having
> > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and
on
> > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately
correct.
> > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me
going
> > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> >
> > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
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Re: lookin' good

[Charles Hallenbeck]

It is helpful to remember that there are four steps to solving difficult
problems: application, incubation, inspiration, and verification.

1. Application: work your butt off, burn the midnight candle, hit the
books, try everything you can think of;
2. Incubation: Take a break, sleep on it, do something else, be good to
your spouse for a change!
3. Inspiration: AH HA! Eureka! Why didn't I think of that sooner? How
obvious! I am so clever I really feel stupid!
4. Verification: Better try out your brilliant fix, maybe you overlooked
something, put your money where your mouth is, maybe you are not as bright
as you thought you were in step 3, but just maybe you really are.

Danger danger danger!!! Steps 1 and 4 are hard work and must not be
skipped. It does not do you any good to sleep on it if you have not done
your homework, and sometimes a brilliant idea that comes to you in a dream
is really not that brilliant when you put it to the test, so ALWAYS put
it to the test in the cold light of day.


Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waning Crescent (1% of Full)

Re: lookin' good

[Shaun Oliver]

I love that chuck.
hey? how do you get that pom to appear as your signature? and just outa
interest, how much experience have you had with programming in general?
but as for the part about doing your homework before you attack a problem,
I couldn't agree more.


shaun..

FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
corrupt
. FEAR: Fear is my alli.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> It is helpful to remember that there are four steps to solving difficult
> problems: application, incubation, inspiration, and verification.
> 
> 1. Application: work your butt off, burn the midnight candle, hit the
> books, try everything you can think of;
> 2. Incubation: Take a break, sleep on it, do something else, be good to
> your spouse for a change!
> 3. Inspiration: AH HA! Eureka! Why didn't I think of that sooner? How
> obvious! I am so clever I really feel stupid!
> 4. Verification: Better try out your brilliant fix, maybe you overlooked
> something, put your money where your mouth is, maybe you are not as bright
> as you thought you were in step 3, but just maybe you really are.
> 
> Danger danger danger!!! Steps 1 and 4 are hard work and must not be
> skipped. It does not do you any good to sleep on it if you have not done
> your homework, and sometimes a brilliant idea that comes to you in a dream
> is really not that brilliant when you put it to the test, so ALWAYS put
> it to the test in the cold light of day.
> 
> 
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> The Moon is Waning Crescent (1% of Full)
> 
> 
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Re: lookin' good

[Scott Howell]

Hmmmm, dream, well then I'mm off on some rant about beautiful blonds and
well....um this never seems to work. Damn, that must be my problem.<grin>

I've been told my brain is a horrifying place.




---
Scott 

On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not?
> I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly
> at a problem to help you solve it.
> Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you.
> Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Scott:
> > 
> > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> > learned to go to sleep.
> > 
> > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> > 
> > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> > 
> > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > 
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > 
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: lookin' good

[Gregory Nowak]

If Kirk R isn't telling us
to drop this quickly digressing thread,
then I think it's ok.
Greg


On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 10:18:31PM -0700, John W. Cummings wrote:
> Hi Jania & Greg,
> 
> "Dreaming is the best way to travel."  Credit: Moody Blues.  On a slightly
> more serious note,
> I've survived these many years of staying up into the wee hours by way of
> taking what someone's call "power naps" = naps of 20 to 30 minutes but NOT
> and hour and I find myself waking up refreshed!  And good for many more
> hours.  Back to answers in a dream" -- been there and had that experience.
> Wonder who else out there has had this experience?
> 
> This is my first posting since joining speakup@braille and hope it's
> appropriate?
> 
> 
> John in California
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:10 PM
> Subject: Re: lookin' good
> 
> 
> > The human brain is an interesting organ, is it not?
> > I've often heard it said that you shouldn't think directly
> > at a problem to help you solve it.
> > Instead, think around it, and the solution will most likely come to you.
> > Dreaming is a good state to think around a problem.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 04:31:51PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > Scott:
> > >
> > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong.
> I
> > > learned to go to sleep.
> > >
> > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed
> having
> > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and
> on
> > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> > >
> > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately
> correct.
> > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me
> going
> > > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> > >
> > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
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Re: lookin' good

[Gregory Nowak]

Looking at the code for afix and provox7,
I'd say that Chuck has had
a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++
if not in anything else in addition.
Greg


On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 09:34:53PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> I love that chuck.
> hey? how do you get that pom to appear as your signature? and just outa
> interest, how much experience have you had with programming in general?
> but as for the part about doing your homework before you attack a problem,
> I couldn't agree more.
> 
> 
> shaun..
> 
> FEAR: Fear attracts the fearful, the strong, the weak, the innocent, the
> corrupt
> . FEAR: Fear is my alli.
> 
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > It is helpful to remember that there are four steps to solving difficult
> > problems: application, incubation, inspiration, and verification.
> > 
> > 1. Application: work your butt off, burn the midnight candle, hit the
> > books, try everything you can think of;
> > 2. Incubation: Take a break, sleep on it, do something else, be good to
> > your spouse for a change!
> > 3. Inspiration: AH HA! Eureka! Why didn't I think of that sooner? How
> > obvious! I am so clever I really feel stupid!
> > 4. Verification: Better try out your brilliant fix, maybe you overlooked
> > something, put your money where your mouth is, maybe you are not as bright
> > as you thought you were in step 3, but just maybe you really are.
> > 
> > Danger danger danger!!! Steps 1 and 4 are hard work and must not be
> > skipped. It does not do you any good to sleep on it if you have not done
> > your homework, and sometimes a brilliant idea that comes to you in a dream
> > is really not that brilliant when you put it to the test, so ALWAYS put
> > it to the test in the cold light of day.
> > 
> > 
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> > The Moon is Waning Crescent (1% of Full)
> > 
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Re: lookin' good

[Charles Hallenbeck]

> Looking at the code for afix and provox7,
> I'd say that Chuck has had
> a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++
> if not in anything else in addition.

I have been writing programs for such a long time that my first computer
was an abacus - a serious one - it had 21 rods! <smile>

My problem is that I write terrible code for others to read. It usually
works, but is no fun to look at. My other problem is that I am not keeping
as current as I should - I nowadays program by habit.

I think it is fair to say that I write stuff in C+ (more than C, but
hardly in a full C++ dialect). But I have written (and taught) a variety
of languages. My favorite thing to do is to run down and squash nasty
bugs, and my own code gives me all the opportunities I could ever want in
that regard! <smile>

Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is New

Re: lookin' good

[Buddy Brannan]

A 21-rod abacus?! Hey, now that's cool! Only ones I've ever seen were
of the 13-rod variety. No, I take that back. I've seen a Japanese one
where the beads didn't stay put...faster movement, but not very good
for blind folks...and it was really long! I don't remember how many
rods it had. Also saw a Chinese abacus which I guess was numbered in
hex! (It had two 5's and five 1's...hehe) 

I have two standard Cranmer abacuses 9abaci?) around here, both of
which have the odd loose column...maybe I'll replace one of them one
of these days. 
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | From the pines down to the projects,
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | And it's only going forward,
ICQ: 36621210            | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes

Re: lookin' good

[Charles Hallenbeck]

> A 21-rod abacus?! Hey, now that's cool! Only ones I've ever seen were
> of the 13-rod variety.
I guess this was a double precision item! <smile> Actually you could do
separate problems on different regions of it - sort of like opening
another console on Linux!

The Chinese abacus with 5+2 beads is not hex, just decimal. You can
postpone the carry that way, although I am not sure any more why you would
want to do that. I bought that thing in a Chinese restaurant in Cleveland
which also did imports, and it came with an instruction manual written in
a kind of pigeon English that was right out of an old Charlie Chan movie -
a real riot.

With all those rods I guess you could call it a Fortran machine!

Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is New

Re: lookin' good

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, I know what you mean about apt-get and dpkg.  I'm still making mistakes
which cause them to stop working, or start behaving real strange. The good 
thing is, I usually don't make the same mistake again!  Now, back to trying
to get DHCP working with Comcast@home.



          Kenny

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 05:56:30PM -0400, Scott Howell wrote:
> Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm
> actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and
> that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate
> dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in
> nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and
> it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it
> was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it
> was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff
> out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was
> roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well
> whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems
> to be.
> 
> cul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---
> Scott 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Scott:
> > 
> > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> > learned to go to sleep.
> > 
> > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> > 
> > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> > 
> > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: lookin' good

[Shaun Oliver]

hey chuck have you ever thought of seriously telling macro slop what you
really think of their code? just imagine it! a blind dood tellin microsoft
that they suck at coding an os. hahahahaha
Shaun..


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Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:58 AM
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> > Looking at the code for afix and provox7,
> > I'd say that Chuck has had
> > a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++
> > if not in anything else in addition.
>
> I have been writing programs for such a long time that my first computer
> was an abacus - a serious one - it had 21 rods! <smile>
>
> My problem is that I write terrible code for others to read. It usually
> works, but is no fun to look at. My other problem is that I am not keeping
> as current as I should - I nowadays program by habit.
>
> I think it is fair to say that I write stuff in C+ (more than C, but
> hardly in a full C++ dialect). But I have written (and taught) a variety
> of languages. My favorite thing to do is to run down and squash nasty
> bugs, and my own code gives me all the opportunities I could ever want in
> that regard! <smile>
>
> Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is New
>
>
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Re: lookin' good

[Gregory Nowak]

And what would that really accomplish?
Greg


On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 12:06:47AM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> hey chuck have you ever thought of seriously telling macro slop what you
> really think of their code? just imagine it! a blind dood tellin microsoft
> that they suck at coding an os. hahahahaha
> Shaun..
> 
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> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@mhonline.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:58 AM
> Subject: Re: lookin' good
> 
> 
> > > Looking at the code for afix and provox7,
> > > I'd say that Chuck has had
> > > a tremendous amount of programming experience in c++
> > > if not in anything else in addition.
> >
> > I have been writing programs for such a long time that my first computer
> > was an abacus - a serious one - it had 21 rods! <smile>
> >
> > My problem is that I write terrible code for others to read. It usually
> > works, but is no fun to look at. My other problem is that I am not keeping
> > as current as I should - I nowadays program by habit.
> >
> > I think it is fair to say that I write stuff in C+ (more than C, but
> > hardly in a full C++ dialect). But I have written (and taught) a variety
> > of languages. My favorite thing to do is to run down and squash nasty
> > bugs, and my own code gives me all the opportunities I could ever want in
> > that regard! <smile>
> >
> > Visit me at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is New
> >
> >
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Re: lookin' good

[jwantz]

Scott, if you need any help with C I'd be glad to help.  I love teaching
that language!

     73s
     Jim WB0TFK
On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:

> Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm
> actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and
> that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate
> dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in
> nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and
> it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it
> was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it
> was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff
> out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was
> roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well
> whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems
> to be.
>
> cul
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Scott
>
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > Scott:
> >
> > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> > learned to go to sleep.
> >
> > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> >
> > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> >
> > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: lookin' good

[Amanda Lee]

If you know of etext C Books,please write me offline.   My new job is Unix
and C and C is not my strongest language as I was a Mainframe Developer in
IBM/370 Assembler and COBOL in my former life!

Thanks!  -  Amanda Lee



On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:

> Scott, if you need any help with C I'd be glad to help.  I love teaching
> that language!
>
>      73s
>      Jim WB0TFK
> On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:
>
> > Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm
> > actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and
> > that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate
> > dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in
> > nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and
> > it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it
> > was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it
> > was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff
> > out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was
> > roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well
> > whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems
> > to be.
> >
> > cul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Scott
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > Scott:
> > >
> > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> > > learned to go to sleep.
> > >
> > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> > >
> > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> > > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> > >
> > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: lookin' good

[jwantz]

Hi Amanda,
>From Cobol to C, that is quite a transition!  My offer to help extends
to you too of course--besides I understand from somebody that you are a
n escapee from the Florida State Prison otherwise known as Florida D&B.
If you can survive that you can make the transition to UNIX and C
easily!  (big grin).  As far as C programming is concerned you should
probably get a book like C Primer Plus.  Of course you should definitely
get the Kernighan and Ritchie book but I wouldn't read that one first.

A good introductory book for UNIX is Exploring Unix and I think the
authors were Kochan and Wood
You can write me at jwantz@home.com and I'll look through my books at
home and give you a better idea.  As I'm sure you guessed I too spent
six years at St. Augustine.  A few years before you though, I'm afraid.

      Jim Wantz
On
Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Amanda Lee wrote:

> If you know of etext C Books,please write me offline.   My new job is Unix
> and C and C is not my strongest language as I was a Mainframe Developer in
> IBM/370 Assembler and COBOL in my former life!
>
> Thanks!  -  Amanda Lee
>
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:
>
> > Scott, if you need any help with C I'd be glad to help.  I love teaching
> > that language!
> >
> >      73s
> >      Jim WB0TFK
> > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Scott Howell wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I don't know any programming language, but hope to learn soon. I'm
> > > actually very interested in C, Perl, etc. Gotten pretty fair with Html and
> > > that's been interesting. In any case I digress. I can fully appreciate
> > > dreaming about solutions, but I think mine were kinda nightmarish in
> > > nature. Apt-get install this and that and this and that and on and on and
> > > it was really scary stuff after while.Not to mention before all that it
> > > was partitioning and hacking on reasons why things wouldn't boot and it
> > > was really nuts. I think this is a part of the process for figuring stuff
> > > out. Lastnight it was cooking kernels and I swear I had a dream I was
> > > roasting kernels on the grill or something. Was all insane, but well
> > > whatever works. The mind is a very scary playground or at least mine seems
> > > to be.
> > >
> > > cul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Scott:
> > > >
> > > > I can't tell you how often this has worked for me. Particularly, on a
> > > > large programming project many many years ago, it actually became a
> > > > reliable pattern for me. I would find myself stuck sometime late in the
> > > > evening--usually around midnight. I just couldn't figure what was wrong. I
> > > > learned to go to sleep.
> > > >
> > > > Sure enough. Somewhere around maybe 4, maybe 5, I'd jump out of bed having
> > > > awakened with a start. I actually dreamed the solution. Over and over
> > > > again, time after time, I'd run to the computer and make the change.
> > > > Bingo! Everything worked. And, then, it was on to the next problem, and on
> > > > to the next point of frustration and confusion, etc., etc., etc.
> > > >
> > > > PS: Lest you think I lived on 4 hours sleep, that's approximately correct.
> > > > But these were pgrogramming jags of one to three weeks--with weeks off
> > > > inbetween. Meanwhile, I would also take a nap of around half an hour
> > > > somewhere early to mid afternoon. It's the nap that actually kept me going
> > > > on this kind of crazy schedule.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, the days of being free and fancy loose to just write, write, write.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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