flame wars?

flame wars?

[Igor Gueths]

Hi all. I am writing this to the entire list because someone is agreeing with Kerry on the following fact (s), and I hope that things can get straightened out.

Kerry brought up a rather interesting point today and yesterday. Her point was that she was trying to tell me, and possibly others on the list that people weren't looking through documentation before posting to the list. I just would like to state the fact that in terms of me, I don't use the list as a first resort. In my example yesterday about the user accounts, I didn't find a reference to userdel in the adduser man page. So I just thought that I would ask about it. She also brought up the fact that she thought that list traffic would be minimized if people stopped asking questions they could otherwise find in man pages and/or other documentation. I can tell you right now that this list doesn't even have a fraction of the traffic that a list like Debian-user or Debian-bugs has. I would estimate that they get about 100 messages or more per hour through these two lists. I was subscribed to Debian-user for some time, and I got back a couple of days later to check my mail and I had about 400 messages. So as far as I am concerned, list traffic is not an issue here. Also, I think that any question should be able to be asked and answered. For example, I read about the problems that Cheryl was having, and I decided to reply. I like to be helpfull, and to be able to share my knolige with people so that I can help them out. I can't say that this is a definite exactly, but in my opinion, Kerry seems to think otherwise. I don't know if she is trying to single me out here because of what I asked yesterday. Also, someone replied and added that they agreed with her about the stupid question thing. In other words, she stated that people should read docs and use the list as a last resort. I think that this is all well and true, but then she also said that users should be turned away from a list if some people think that the user is using the list as a first resort instead of reading documentation? I disagree with the last point. And I think that Anne will agree with me on this. Even if the poster hasn't read the docs before asking his/her question, reply to the message with an answer, and then tell them where they can get more information. This way, they learn where the documentation for their answer is available, plus they might find other useful information. Also, refrane from flaming posters just because they asked a question on a mailing list which in someone's opinion, the answer is readily available in a document. What I'm trying to say from all this is that we shouldn't start flaming users just because they ask "stupid" questions. Also, I want to make sure that I am not a target of such a flame. 


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flame wars?

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
No reason for flame wars.

I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for in
docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is not
'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know it
exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is to
deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.  If
you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore. 

No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.

Ann P.
 
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Re: flame wars?

[Igor Gueths]

Yeah I might do that. But he might think I am a lamer or something. But I don't think that lamers understand C too well. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM
Subject: flame wars?


> Hi all,
> 
> Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
> privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
> No reason for flame wars.
> 
> I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for in
> docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is not
> 'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know it
> exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is to
> deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
> I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.  If
> you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore. 
> 
> No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.
> 
> Ann P.
>  
> -- 
> Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
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RE: flame wars?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Then there's the language differences.  Give me an English psychological
report and I'll probably be able to translate it into basic language.  Give
me an American Computer guide and I'm banging my head against the wall
within minutes.  Perhaps, it's that I'm thick, who cares?  I still have the
right to use a computer, GNU/Linux and this list.  Until Kirk has had enough
of me that is.  <Grin>  The only stupid question is that is not uttered.

BTW: I've used that syntax deliberately.

Love and peace to all

Gena
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[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Igor Gueths
Sent: 28 March 2002 20:42
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: flame wars?


Hi all. I am writing this to the entire list because someone is agreeing
with Kerry on the following fact (s), and I hope that things can get
straightened out.

Kerry brought up a rather interesting point today and yesterday. Her point
was that she was trying to tell me, and possibly others on the list that
people weren't looking through documentation before posting to the list. I
just would like to state the fact that in terms of me, I don't use the list
as a first resort. In my example yesterday about the user accounts, I didn't
find a reference to userdel in the adduser man page. So I just thought that
I would ask about it. She also brought up the fact that she thought that
list traffic would be minimized if people stopped asking questions they
could otherwise find in man pages and/or other documentation. I can tell you
right now that this list doesn't even have a fraction of the traffic that a
list like Debian-user or Debian-bugs has. I would estimate that they get
about 100 messages or more per hour through these two lists. I was
subscribed to Debian-user for some time, and I got back a couple of days
later to check my mail and I had about 400 messages. So as far as I am
concerned, list traffic is not an issue here. Also, I think that any
question should be able to be asked and answered. For example, I read about
the problems that Cheryl was having, and I decided to reply. I like to be
helpfull, and to be able to share my knolige with people so that I can help
them out. I can't say that this is a definite exactly, but in my opinion,
Kerry seems to think otherwise. I don't know if she is trying to single me
out here because of what I asked yesterday. Also, someone replied and added
that they agreed with her about the stupid question thing. In other words,
she stated that people should read docs and use the list as a last resort. I
think that this is all well and true, but then she also said that users
should be turned away from a list if some people think that the user is
using the list as a first resort instead of reading documentation? I
disagree with the last point. And I think that Anne will agree with me on
this. Even if the poster hasn't read the docs before asking his/her
question, reply to the message with an answer, and then tell them where they
can get more information. This way, they learn where the documentation for
their answer is available, plus they might find other useful information.
Also, refrane from flaming posters just because they asked a question on a
mailing list which in someone's opinion, the answer is readily available in
a document. What I'm trying to say from all this is that we shouldn't start
flaming users just because they ask "stupid" questions. Also, I want to make
sure that I am not a target of such a flame.


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Re: flame wars?

[Kerry Hoath]

I don't think any particular user is a lamer or a looser or any other demeaning
term.
I do have a problem when a user asks a question that I have allready
answered in a message to them.
If you don't understand something ask for clarification, and if at first you don't understand
a message I have sent answering your question, stash it away since
 you may get a piece of knowledge that will clear things up.
I agree; list trafic is low on this list, and if it were not;
I would unsubscribe since I pay per megabyte received at 20.9 cents per meg.
I do remember when I was new to Linux, although when I got involved
the only distribution available was sls and you build everything from
source once you had core binaries. These were the days of kernel 0.99p4
which had no networking code in it by default and no sound driver.
As a result; I am used to doing things the hard way,
and in some cases the slow way. Things have definitely become easier
however there is still a lot to learn for the new user.
If terms are confusing, try http://www.whatis.com since they  have both a simple and complex
definition of a lot of things that suits the novice and expert alike.
Remember, there are list archives, and although this can be tedious often they may
contain answers to problems that have allready been covered on the list.
This does not mean you are not free to re-ask a question, but it can save time
if the answer is easy to find.

Regards, Kerry.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:16:56PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> Yeah I might do that. But he might think I am a lamer or something. But I don't think that lamers understand C too well. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM
> Subject: flame wars?
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
> > privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
> > No reason for flame wars.
> > 
> > I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for in
> > docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is not
> > 'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know it
> > exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is to
> > deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
> > I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.  If
> > you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore. 
> > 
> > No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.
> > 
> > Ann P.
> >  
> > -- 
> > Ann K. Parsons  
> > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> > 
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Re: flame wars?

[Shaun Oliver]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi all. I am writing this to the entire list because someone is agreeing with Kerry on the following fact (s), and I hope that things can get straightened out.
>
> Kerry brought up a rather interesting point today and yesterday. Her point was that she was trying to tell me, and possibly others on the list that people weren't looking through documentation before posting to the list. I just would like to state the fact that in terms of me, I don't use the list as a first resort. In my example yesterday about the user accounts, I didn't find a reference to userdel in the adduser man page. So I just thought that I would ask about it. She also brought up the fact that she thought that list traffic would be minimized if people stopped asking questions they could otherwise find in man pages and/or other documentation. I can tell you right now that this list doesn't even have a fraction of the traffic that a list like Debian-user or Debian-bugs has. I would estimate that they get about 100 messages or more per hour through these two lists. I was subscribed to Debian-user for some time, and I got back a couple of days later to check my mail and I had about 400 messages. So as far as I am concerned, list traffic is not an issue here. Also, I think that any question should be able to be asked and answered. For example, I read about the problems that Cheryl was having, and I decided to reply. I like to be helpfull, and to be able to share my knolige with people so that I can help them out. I can't say that this is a definite exactly, but in my opinion, Kerry seems to think otherwise. I don't know if she is trying to single me out here because of what I asked yesterday. Also, someone replied and added that they agreed with her about the stupid question thing. In other words, she stated that people should read docs and use the list as a last resort. I think that this is all well and true, but then she also said that users should be turned away from a list if some people think that the user is using the list as a first resort instead of reading documentation? I disagree with the last point. And I think that Anne will agree with me on this. Even if the poster hasn't read the docs before asking his/her question, reply to the message with an answer, and then tell them where they can get more information. This way, they learn where the documentation for their answer is available, plus they might find other useful information. Also, refrane from flaming posters just because they asked a question on a mailing list which in someone's opinion, the answer is readily available in a document. What I'm trying to say from all this is that we shouldn't start flaming users just because they ask "stupid" questions. Also, I want to make sure that I am not a target of such a flame.

Woo there!. first of all kery is all  male.
How do I know this? He's an old friend from way back.
yes I realize it can be confusing and hard to be able to pick gender on
here. But bear that in mind.

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Re: flame wars?

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Kerry. Thanks for the clarification, I now understand where you are coming from. I would however say that if someone has posted a question that has already been answered, the reply could indicate where to obtain the more detailed answer to the previous post of the same question. I am not trying to criticize your way of thinking, I am just trying to offer up sollutions to the problem (s). Also, who is your isp? Because I have never heard of an isp that charges 20 cents per meg. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kerry Hoath <kerry@gotss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: flame wars?


> I don't think any particular user is a lamer or a looser or any other demeaning
> term.
> I do have a problem when a user asks a question that I have allready
> answered in a message to them.
> If you don't understand something ask for clarification, and if at first you don't understand
> a message I have sent answering your question, stash it away since
>  you may get a piece of knowledge that will clear things up.
> I agree; list trafic is low on this list, and if it were not;
> I would unsubscribe since I pay per megabyte received at 20.9 cents per meg.
> I do remember when I was new to Linux, although when I got involved
> the only distribution available was sls and you build everything from
> source once you had core binaries. These were the days of kernel 0.99p4
> which had no networking code in it by default and no sound driver.
> As a result; I am used to doing things the hard way,
> and in some cases the slow way. Things have definitely become easier
> however there is still a lot to learn for the new user.
> If terms are confusing, try http://www.whatis.com since they  have both a simple and complex
> definition of a lot of things that suits the novice and expert alike.
> Remember, there are list archives, and although this can be tedious often they may
> contain answers to problems that have allready been covered on the list.
> This does not mean you are not free to re-ask a question, but it can save time
> if the answer is easy to find.
> 
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:16:56PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > Yeah I might do that. But he might think I am a lamer or something. But I don't think that lamers understand C too well. 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM
> > Subject: flame wars?
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
> > > privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
> > > No reason for flame wars.
> > > 
> > > I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for in
> > > docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is not
> > > 'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know it
> > > exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is to
> > > deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
> > > I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.  If
> > > you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore. 
> > > 
> > > No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.
> > > 
> > > Ann P.
> > >  
> > > -- 
> > > Ann K. Parsons  
> > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: flame wars?

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Shaun. Yeah my mistake. Sorry about that one. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Shaun Oliver <shauno@goanna.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: flame wars?


On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Igor Gueths wrote:

> Hi all. I am writing this to the entire list because someone is agreeing with Kerry on the following fact (s), and I hope that things can get straightened out.
>
> Kerry brought up a rather interesting point today and yesterday. Her point was that she was trying to tell me, and possibly others on the list that people weren't looking through documentation before posting to the list. I just would like to state the fact that in terms of me, I don't use the list as a first resort. In my example yesterday about the user accounts, I didn't find a reference to userdel in the adduser man page. So I just thought that I would ask about it. She also brought up the fact that she thought that list traffic would be minimized if people stopped asking questions they could otherwise find in man pages and/or other documentation. I can tell you right now that this list doesn't even have a fraction of the traffic that a list like Debian-user or Debian-bugs has. I would estimate that they get about 100 messages or more per hour through these two lists. I was subscribed to Debian-user for some time, and I got back a couple of days later to check my mail and I had about 400 messages. So as far as I am concerned, list traffic is not an issue here. Also, I think that any question should be able to be asked and answered. For example, I read about the problems that Cheryl was having, and I decided to reply. I like to be helpfull, and to be able to share my knolige with people so that I can help them out. I can't say that this is a definite exactly, but in my opinion, Kerry seems to think otherwise. I don't know if she is trying to single me out here because of what I asked yesterday. Also, someone replied and added that they agreed with her about the stupid question thing. In other words, she stated that people should read docs and use the list as a last resort. I think that this is all well and true, but then she also said that users should be turned away from a list if some people think that the user is using the list as a first resort instead of reading documentation? I disagree with the last point. And I think that Anne will agree with me on this. Even if the poster hasn't read the docs before asking his/her question, reply to the message with an answer, and then tell them where they can get more information. This way, they learn where the documentation for their answer is available, plus they might find other useful information. Also, refrane from flaming posters just because they asked a question on a mailing list which in someone's opinion, the answer is readily available in a document. What I'm trying to say from all this is that we shouldn't start flaming users just because they ask "stupid" questions. Also, I want to make sure that I am not a target of such a flame.

Woo there!. first of all kery is all  male.
How do I know this? He's an old friend from way back.
yes I realize it can be confusing and hard to be able to pick gender on
here. But bear that in mind.

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gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Gregory Nowak]

Since you're a gnu/linux veteran, at the risk of starting a distro war, may I ask if you have a favorate distro? If so, which one and why. Thanks.
Greg


On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 07:34:46PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> I don't think any particular user is a lamer or a looser or any other demeaning
> term.
> I do have a problem when a user asks a question that I have allready
> answered in a message to them.
> If you don't understand something ask for clarification, and if at first you don't understand
> a message I have sent answering your question, stash it away since
>  you may get a piece of knowledge that will clear things up.
> I agree; list trafic is low on this list, and if it were not;
> I would unsubscribe since I pay per megabyte received at 20.9 cents per meg.
> I do remember when I was new to Linux, although when I got involved
> the only distribution available was sls and you build everything from
> source once you had core binaries. These were the days of kernel 0.99p4
> which had no networking code in it by default and no sound driver.
> As a result; I am used to doing things the hard way,
> and in some cases the slow way. Things have definitely become easier
> however there is still a lot to learn for the new user.
> If terms are confusing, try http://www.whatis.com since they  have both a simple and complex
> definition of a lot of things that suits the novice and expert alike.
> Remember, there are list archives, and although this can be tedious often they may
> contain answers to problems that have allready been covered on the list.
> This does not mean you are not free to re-ask a question, but it can save time
> if the answer is easy to find.
> 
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:16:56PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > Yeah I might do that. But he might think I am a lamer or something. But I don't think that lamers understand C too well. 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM
> > Subject: flame wars?
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
> > > privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
> > > No reason for flame wars.
> > > 
> > > I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for in
> > > docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is not
> > > 'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know it
> > > exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is to
> > > deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
> > > I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.  If
> > > you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore. 
> > > 
> > > No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.
> > > 
> > > Ann P.
> > >  
> > > -- 
> > > Ann K. Parsons  
> > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> > > 
> > > 
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Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Greg. I don't have a favorite distro, because the only one I have used thus far is Debian. However, I can say that Debian has an awesome package manager! I may try Redhat and/or slackware in the future just to see how they work. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


> Since you're a gnu/linux veteran, at the risk of starting a distro war, may I ask if you have a favorate distro? If so, which one and why. Thanks.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 07:34:46PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > I don't think any particular user is a lamer or a looser or any other demeaning
> > term.
> > I do have a problem when a user asks a question that I have allready
> > answered in a message to them.
> > If you don't understand something ask for clarification, and if at first you don't understand
> > a message I have sent answering your question, stash it away since
> >  you may get a piece of knowledge that will clear things up.
> > I agree; list trafic is low on this list, and if it were not;
> > I would unsubscribe since I pay per megabyte received at 20.9 cents per meg.
> > I do remember when I was new to Linux, although when I got involved
> > the only distribution available was sls and you build everything from
> > source once you had core binaries. These were the days of kernel 0.99p4
> > which had no networking code in it by default and no sound driver.
> > As a result; I am used to doing things the hard way,
> > and in some cases the slow way. Things have definitely become easier
> > however there is still a lot to learn for the new user.
> > If terms are confusing, try http://www.whatis.com since they  have both a simple and complex
> > definition of a lot of things that suits the novice and expert alike.
> > Remember, there are list archives, and although this can be tedious often they may
> > contain answers to problems that have allready been covered on the list.
> > This does not mean you are not free to re-ask a question, but it can save time
> > if the answer is easy to find.
> > 
> > Regards, Kerry.
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:16:56PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > > Yeah I might do that. But he might think I am a lamer or something. But I don't think that lamers understand C too well. 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM
> > > Subject: flame wars?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
> > > > privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
> > > > No reason for flame wars.
> > > > 
> > > > I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for in
> > > > docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is not
> > > > 'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know it
> > > > exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is to
> > > > deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
> > > > I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.  If
> > > > you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore. 
> > > > 
> > > > No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.
> > > > 
> > > > Ann P.
> > > >  
> > > > -- 
> > > > Ann K. Parsons  
> > > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> > > > 
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Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Alex Snow]

My linux box isn't up yet, but I already have a favorite: debian.  It only
takes up 1 cd, has the lowest minimum requirements I know.  I will also use
slackware (zipspeak) temperarily until I can get a 500 meg hd for the 486
I'm going to put linux on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@yahoo.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


Hi Greg. I don't have a favorite distro, because the only one I have used
thus far is Debian. However, I can say that Debian has an awesome package
manager! I may try Redhat and/or slackware in the future just to see how
they work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


> Since you're a gnu/linux veteran, at the risk of starting a distro war,
may I ask if you have a favorate distro? If so, which one and why. Thanks.
> Greg
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 07:34:46PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > I don't think any particular user is a lamer or a looser or any other
demeaning
> > term.
> > I do have a problem when a user asks a question that I have allready
> > answered in a message to them.
> > If you don't understand something ask for clarification, and if at first
you don't understand
> > a message I have sent answering your question, stash it away since
> >  you may get a piece of knowledge that will clear things up.
> > I agree; list trafic is low on this list, and if it were not;
> > I would unsubscribe since I pay per megabyte received at 20.9 cents per
meg.
> > I do remember when I was new to Linux, although when I got involved
> > the only distribution available was sls and you build everything from
> > source once you had core binaries. These were the days of kernel 0.99p4
> > which had no networking code in it by default and no sound driver.
> > As a result; I am used to doing things the hard way,
> > and in some cases the slow way. Things have definitely become easier
> > however there is still a lot to learn for the new user.
> > If terms are confusing, try http://www.whatis.com since they  have both
a simple and complex
> > definition of a lot of things that suits the novice and expert alike.
> > Remember, there are list archives, and although this can be tedious
often they may
> > contain answers to problems that have allready been covered on the list.
> > This does not mean you are not free to re-ask a question, but it can
save time
> > if the answer is easy to find.
> >
> > Regards, Kerry.
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:16:56PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > > Yeah I might do that. But he might think I am a lamer or something.
But I don't think that lamers understand C too well.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM
> > > Subject: flame wars?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
> > > > privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
> > > > No reason for flame wars.
> > > >
> > > > I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for
in
> > > > docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is
not
> > > > 'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know
it
> > > > exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is
to
> > > > deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
> > > > I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.
If
> > > > you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore.
> > > >
> > > > No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.
> > > >
> > > > Ann P.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
lost."  JRRT
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
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Re: flame wars?

[Kerry Hoath]

I get my bandwidth through Telstra and all isps in Australia
charge for bandwidth in one way or another.
$25 a month can get you 300 megs from an isp, but
you don't get a static set of ip addresses or other things.
The Telstra cable service which I can't get has a limit of 1gb per month, so does adsl.
All bandwidth into australia is charged for wich you pay for either by time or by
megabyte. isps who say you have no volume limits give you 200
hours per month simply turning the bandwidth into a time limit.

Regards, Kerry.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 02:29:58PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> Hi Kerry. Thanks for the clarification, I now understand where you are coming from. I would however say that if someone has posted a question that has already been answered, the reply could indicate where to obtain the more detailed answer to the previous post of the same question. I am not trying to criticize your way of thinking, I am just trying to offer up sollutions to the problem (s). Also, who is your isp? Because I have never heard of an isp that charges 20 cents per meg. 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Kerry Hoath <kerry@gotss.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 6:34 AM
> Subject: Re: flame wars?
> 
> 
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RE: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Don't get me wrong because I love Debian.  I use it and won't go back to
Slackware but it is Slackware that comes on well, sort of on 1 cd.  If you
don't have an internet connection or the hardware, you'll need all 3 cd's.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Alex Snow
Sent: 29 March 2002 23:28
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


My linux box isn't up yet, but I already have a favorite: debian.  It only
takes up 1 cd, has the lowest minimum requirements I know.  I will also use
slackware (zipspeak) temperarily until I can get a 500 meg hd for the 486
I'm going to put linux on.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@yahoo.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


Hi Greg. I don't have a favorite distro, because the only one I have used
thus far is Debian. However, I can say that Debian has an awesome package
manager! I may try Redhat and/or slackware in the future just to see how
they work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <gnowak1@uic.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


> Since you're a gnu/linux veteran, at the risk of starting a distro war,
may I ask if you have a favorate distro? If so, which one and why. Thanks.
> Greg
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 07:34:46PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > I don't think any particular user is a lamer or a looser or any other
demeaning
> > term.
> > I do have a problem when a user asks a question that I have allready
> > answered in a message to them.
> > If you don't understand something ask for clarification, and if at first
you don't understand
> > a message I have sent answering your question, stash it away since
> >  you may get a piece of knowledge that will clear things up.
> > I agree; list trafic is low on this list, and if it were not;
> > I would unsubscribe since I pay per megabyte received at 20.9 cents per
meg.
> > I do remember when I was new to Linux, although when I got involved
> > the only distribution available was sls and you build everything from
> > source once you had core binaries. These were the days of kernel 0.99p4
> > which had no networking code in it by default and no sound driver.
> > As a result; I am used to doing things the hard way,
> > and in some cases the slow way. Things have definitely become easier
> > however there is still a lot to learn for the new user.
> > If terms are confusing, try http://www.whatis.com since they  have both
a simple and complex
> > definition of a lot of things that suits the novice and expert alike.
> > Remember, there are list archives, and although this can be tedious
often they may
> > contain answers to problems that have allready been covered on the list.
> > This does not mean you are not free to re-ask a question, but it can
save time
> > if the answer is easy to find.
> >
> > Regards, Kerry.
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:16:56PM -0500, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > > Yeah I might do that. But he might think I am a lamer or something.
But I don't think that lamers understand C too well.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ann Parsons <akp@eznet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:05 PM
> > > Subject: flame wars?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Igor, you're right for the most part.  think maybe you need to write
> > > > privately to Kerry and find out why he is miffed with you.  <smile>
> > > > No reason for flame wars.
> > > >
> > > > I will state again, that if you don't know what you're looking for
in
> > > > docs, it doesn't do you a bit of good to look for it.  'rmuser' is
not
> > > > 'userdel', and the second command can not be found unless you know
it
> > > > exists.   I suspect too, that the reference in the documentation is
to
> > > > deleting users rather than removing them, hence the stumbling block.
> > > > I repeat, if you look on linuxdoc for 'skuzzy', you won't find it.
If
> > > > you look for SCSI, you'll find documentation galore.
> > > >
> > > > No worries, think there's just been a misunderstanding.
> > > >
> > > > Ann P.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
lost."  JRRT
> > > >
> > > >
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RE: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

You don't need all 3 debian CD's.  the most commonly used programs and such
are on the first disk, so you can cope quite well without the rest.

Geoff.


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RE: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

With respect you do.  Yes like with any distribution Debian attempt to put
the most popular programs on the first disk.  But it is a bit of a gamble
whether all the applications and utilities you want are on the first CD.  As
I've just had to reinstall and couldn't get my internet connection
configured, I had to use CD's.  I can't remember but it was readline and or
libncurses5-dev that it prompts for the third CD.  There was one occasion
when it wanted the second CD but I can't remember what that was for.  I'm
also sure that the installation of Emacs20 also required other CD's.  As I
said, if you haven't got a useable internet connection, you'll need all
three CD's.

I also come across messages on one of the many lists discussing the
necessity of all the disks which I thought the subject was something like
"You don't need the third disk" but after a couple of searches I can't find
it.

All the references are towards a set of CD's and there's not an entry in the
Debian CD FAQ supporting your claim.

Debian is about giving the user choice and the package comes on 3 CD's that
you will need unless from the first CD you can get up and running with an
internet connection to download the packages you require.

	http://www.debian.org/intro/about

Gena
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Sent: 30 March 2002 02:42
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


Hi:

You don't need all 3 debian CD's.  the most commonly used programs and such
are on the first disk, so you can cope quite well without the rest.

Geoff.


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Re: flame wars?

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> If you don't understand something ask for clarification, and if at first you don't understand
> a message I have sent answering your question, stash it away since
>  you may get a piece of knowledge that will clear things up.

Yes, I whole-heartedly agree with this, which is also why message subjects
are most important to aid this process.  Personally, I keep my own list
archive, in the event that I break my ability to get online. *grin*

Also, as I've stated in another way elsewhere, if at all possible, I
prefer to aks, not "Ho can I", but "Where can I find out", since I then
have a ne possible source of information hen I do get stuck, particularly
ith the vagueries that can occur with a dial-up connection, not to mention
a Winmodem. *grin*

Hope this has helped anyway, and sorry if I'm somewhat late on this.

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Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Since you're a gnu/linux veteran, at the risk of starting a distro
> war, may I ask if you have a favorate distro? If so, which one and
> why. Thanks.

Well, I've used Slackare and Redhat.  My personal favourite is Slackware,
every time, because I find it easier to configure.  Now I know that people
will say that Redhat as Linuxconf etc, but in terms of manipulating the
startup scripts etc by hand, Slackware is the one.  Also, linuxconf has
had its security problems and I don't like tools like that that edcit a
load of files and I can't necessarily quickly and easily work out what
they're doing.  However, I do recognise that Redhat has its place.  For
example, I do believe that if I were starting from scratch again, I would
possibly go for Redhat, because of its ease of use for the beginner.
However, Redhat has also had, in its past several library compatibility
issues, particularly 5.0 and 5.1.  Redhat is also useful in a corporate
environment because it's probably easier to support on a large-scale
basis.  However, if you like to play like I do, then Slackware is the best
choice imho.

Cheers.

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Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> My linux box isn't up yet, but I already have a favorite: debian.  It only
> takes up 1 cd, has the lowest minimum requirements I know.  I will also use
> slackware (zipspeak) temperarily until I can get a 500 meg hd for the 486
> I'm going to put linux on.

Slackare also takes up 1 cd, unless you want all the sources, the cd-based
file system image, and all the extra sunsite goodies.  Also, suggest you
read lowmem.txt in the root of the Slackware linux cd, although it says
there are no garantees, Linux can still come up with 4 mb of ram, I've
tried it.

Also, of course, I'm pretty sure that Slackware is the oldest distro
around.

Cheers.

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Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Alex Snow]

Think slackware will run on a 486 sx with 16 mb ram and a 300 gig hd?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


> On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
>
> > My linux box isn't up yet, but I already have a favorite: debian.  It
only
> > takes up 1 cd, has the lowest minimum requirements I know.  I will also
use
> > slackware (zipspeak) temperarily until I can get a 500 meg hd for the
486
> > I'm going to put linux on.
>
> Slackare also takes up 1 cd, unless you want all the sources, the cd-based
> file system image, and all the extra sunsite goodies.  Also, suggest you
> read lowmem.txt in the root of the Slackware linux cd, although it says
> there are no garantees, Linux can still come up with 4 mb of ram, I've
> tried it.
>
> Also, of course, I'm pretty sure that Slackware is the oldest distro
> around.
>
> Cheers.
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Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Toby Fisher]

On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:

> Think slackware will run on a 486 sx with 16 mb ram and a 300 gig hd?

Actually, I'm not sure about that. *big grin*
Don't kno of a 486SX that'll accept a drive that big. *smile*

Cheers.

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isspeakup list not working?

[randy turner]

could a few of you write me direct
to see if i am getting out to the speakup mailing list?
thanks in advance
randy

Re: isspeakup list not working?

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Folks:  As many of you realized the speakup list as well as all our
other lists were not working from about 2:00am yesterday until last
night.  It was a bad email address which wouldn't resolve.  I finally
got it fixed last night about 7:30pm.  Sorry for the delay.

  Kirk

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Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?

[Alex Snow]

Sorry! I ment 300 megs.  Long day. (grin)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby_fisher@bigfoot.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: gnu/linux distros, was: Re: flame wars?


> On Mon, 1 Apr 2002, Alex Snow wrote:
> 
> > Think slackware will run on a 486 sx with 16 mb ram and a 300 gig hd?
> 
> Actually, I'm not sure about that. *big grin*
> Don't kno of a 486SX that'll accept a drive that big. *smile*
> 
> Cheers.
> 
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> Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
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>    See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> 
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