at a loss

at a loss

[jaffar]

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Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!

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Re: at a loss

[Gregory Nowak]

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Just because you can't get fedora installed, doesn't mean you should
give up on installing gnu/linux. After all, fedora is not the only
gnu/linux distribution out there. There are also:

slackware: <http://www.slackware.com/>,

debian: <http://www.debian.org/>,

gentoo: <http://www.gentoo.org/>

just to name a few. The best thing of course would be if a fedora user
was able to help you solve your problems, and get up and
running. However, if that doesn't happen, look at other distributions
before deciding to quit on gnu/linux. The good news is that there are
slackware, debian, and gentoo users on here as well.

Greg


On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 10:38:50PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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Re: at a loss

[Janina Sajka]

Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.)	Where did you get FC3?

2.)	Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.)	Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
command?

4.)	Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
That this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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RE: at a loss

[jim grimsby]

One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
4.2b or later.  
There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of the dectalk
express.  
You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk express from the gw
micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com 
Also you note that you are using the express with other screen readers.
It is always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
synthesizer so it is set to the defaults.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.)	Where did you get FC3?

2.)	Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.)	Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
command?

4.)	Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
That this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the 
> ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC
http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
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RE: at a loss

[jim grimsby]

Oh one more note can anyone else using the dectalk express produce the
problem? 

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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of jim grimsby
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:05 PM
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: at a loss


One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
4.2b or later.  
There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of the dectalk
express.  
You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk express from the gw
micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com 
Also you note that you are using the express with other screen readers.
It is always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
synthesizer so it is set to the defaults.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.)	Where did you get FC3?

2.)	Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.)	Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
command?

4.)	Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
That this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the
> ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC
http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org

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Re: at a loss

[Sean McMahon]

Going back to this orriginal thread, When your decktalk stops speaking, or you
tell it to shutup,what does speakup say when you hit the read current line key?
The bootup process will say a lot of what may seem  to be useless information.
Have you tried specifying the speakup and text parameters but not the specific
serial port?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: at a loss


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> Just because you can't get fedora installed, doesn't mean you should
> give up on installing gnu/linux. After all, fedora is not the only
> gnu/linux distribution out there. There are also:
>
> slackware: <http://www.slackware.com/>,
>
> debian: <http://www.debian.org/>,
>
> gentoo: <http://www.gentoo.org/>
>
> just to name a few. The best thing of course would be if a fedora user
> was able to help you solve your problems, and get up and
> running. However, if that doesn't happen, look at other distributions
> before deciding to quit on gnu/linux. The good news is that there are
> slackware, debian, and gentoo users on here as well.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 10:38:50PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> > Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins
and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the installation
howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is required
of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to get
FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't even get
past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses to talk
to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am totally
stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has installed
linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to shelf
the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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Re: at a loss

[Sean McMahon]

To this list of questions I add, is your serial port enabled properly in the
bios?I've seen it happen where my bns won't startup doing a fresh install on one
computer but it will work fine on another computer using the same installation
media.  How about a more basic question, how's the condition of your cable?
What happens when you move the cable connecting the synth to the computer around
a little.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: at a loss


> Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
> already:
>
> 1.) Where did you get FC3?
>
> 2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
> installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
> understand you can't run rsync.
>
> 3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
> command?
>
> 4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
> That this feature is, in fact, enabled?
>
>
> jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> > Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins
and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the installation
howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is required
of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to get
FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't even get
past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses to talk
to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am totally
stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has installed
linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to shelf
the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
>
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Re: at a loss

[jaffar]

Hi.  I am not aware that you had to install a firmware for your synth.  I'll 
give it a try.  Cheers!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:05 AM
Subject: RE: at a loss


One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
4.2b or later.
There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of the dectalk
express.
You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk express from the gw
micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com
Also you note that you are using the express with other screen readers.
It is always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
synthesizer so it is set to the defaults.
Hth

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.) Where did you get FC3?

2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
command?

4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
That this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the
> ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com

Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
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Re: at a loss

[jaffar]

Hi.  My dactalk said nothing.  Apart from 3 or 4 garbled words which was 
beyond me, it said absolutely nothing after that.  Cheers!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: at a loss


> Going back to this orriginal thread, When your decktalk stops speaking, or 
> you
> tell it to shutup,what does speakup say when you hit the read current line 
> key?
> The bootup process will say a lot of what may seem  to be useless 
> information.
> Have you tried specifying the speakup and text parameters but not the 
> specific
> serial port?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for 
> Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: at a loss
>
>
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>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Just because you can't get fedora installed, doesn't mean you should
>> give up on installing gnu/linux. After all, fedora is not the only
>> gnu/linux distribution out there. There are also:
>>
>> slackware: <http://www.slackware.com/>,
>>
>> debian: <http://www.debian.org/>,
>>
>> gentoo: <http://www.gentoo.org/>
>>
>> just to name a few. The best thing of course would be if a fedora user
>> was able to help you solve your problems, and get up and
>> running. However, if that doesn't happen, look at other distributions
>> before deciding to quit on gnu/linux. The good news is that there are
>> slackware, debian, and gentoo users on here as well.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 10:38:50PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
>> > Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the 
>> > ins
> and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the 
> installation
> howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is 
> required
> of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to 
> get
> FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't 
> even get
> past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses 
> to talk
> to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source 
> of the
> problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am 
> totally
> stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has 
> installed
> linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to 
> shelf
> the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future. 
> Cheers!
>> >
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>>
>> Content-Description: "AVG certification"
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>>
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Re: at a loss

[jaffar]

Hi. as far as I can tell, it is working propperly, or mmy wouldn't be 
propperly functioning with window eyes or jaws.  Cheers!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: at a loss


> To this list of questions I add, is your serial port enabled properly in 
> the
> bios?I've seen it happen where my bns won't startup doing a fresh install 
> on one
> computer but it will work fine on another computer using the same 
> installation
> media.  How about a more basic question, how's the condition of your 
> cable?
> What happens when you move the cable connecting the synth to the computer 
> around
> a little.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for 
> Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: at a loss
>
>
>> Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
>> already:
>>
>> 1.) Where did you get FC3?
>>
>> 2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
>> installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
>> understand you can't run rsync.
>>
>> 3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
>> command?
>>
>> 4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
>> That this feature is, in fact, enabled?
>>
>>
>> jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
>> > Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the 
>> > ins
> and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the 
> installation
> howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is 
> required
> of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to 
> get
> FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't 
> even get
> past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses 
> to talk
> to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source 
> of the
> problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am 
> totally
> stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has 
> installed
> linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to 
> shelf
> the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future. 
> Cheers!
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RE: at a loss

[jim grimsby]

Hi, the fermware is what makes the dectalk express talk.  It is the
software loaded on board the unit.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of
jaffar@jeffstudio.net
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:47 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Hi.  I am not aware that you had to install a firmware for your synth.
I'll 
give it a try.  Cheers!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:05 AM
Subject: RE: at a loss


One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
4.2b or later. There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of
the dectalk express. You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk
express from the gw micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com Also you
note that you are using the express with other screen readers. It is
always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
synthesizer so it is set to the defaults. Hth

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.) Where did you get FC3?

2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the command?

4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom? That
this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the 
> ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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Re: at a loss

[Adam Myrow]

One other question.  Are you using the built-in serial port on the 
computer, or a serial card?  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 
Speakup only probes the standard I/O address and IRQ for com1 through 
com4.  Many PCI serial cards will try to use very odd addresses and high 
IRQs.

Re: at a loss

[Janina Sajka]

Not necessarily. I had a laptop once where the serial port worked in
Windows, but not in DOS. It is possible for the OS to do some
reassigning, of ports.

Arcane and unlikely as this may be, it's worth probing. Point of fact is
that the Express is a common device used for Speakup and for
installation of Linux with Speakup. So, it's unlikely that the problem
is in the source files.

Are you per chance on a laptop?

jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi. as far as I can tell, it is working propperly, or mmy wouldn't be 
> propperly functioning with window eyes or jaws.  Cheers!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sean McMahon" <smcmahon@usgs.gov>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:06 AM
> Subject: Re: at a loss
> 
> 
> >To this list of questions I add, is your serial port enabled properly in 
> >the
> >bios?I've seen it happen where my bns won't startup doing a fresh install 
> >on one
> >computer but it will work fine on another computer using the same 
> >installation
> >media.  How about a more basic question, how's the condition of your 
> >cable?
> >What happens when you move the cable connecting the synth to the computer 
> >around
> >a little.
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> >To: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for 
> >Linux."
> ><speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
> >Subject: Re: at a loss
> >
> >
> >>Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
> >>already:
> >>
> >>1.) Where did you get FC3?
> >>
> >>2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
> >>installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
> >>understand you can't run rsync.
> >>
> >>3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
> >>command?
> >>
> >>4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
> >>That this feature is, in fact, enabled?
> >>
> >>
> >>jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> >>> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the 
> >>> ins
> >and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the 
> >installation
> >howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is 
> >required
> >of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but tried to 
> >get
> >FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.  I can't 
> >even get
> >past the first stage of text installation simply because speakup refuses 
> >to talk
> >to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source 
> >of the
> >problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am 
> >totally
> >stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has 
> >installed
> >linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to 
> >shelf
> >the idea of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future. 
> >Cheers!
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Re: at a loss

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 06:48:19AM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi.  My dactalk said nothing.  Apart from 3 or 4 garbled words which was 
> beyond me, it said absolutely nothing after that.  Cheers!

After what, the initial probe by speakup? If so, then this sounds like
a probing issue somewhere, likely hardware related. If on the other
hand this is when the system has booted, then that sounds like a
possible kernel panic or init problem to me. I don't know about
speakup 2.0, but in older speakup versions, if there was a kernel
panic or init problem, speakup would say parts of words, (I.E. hitting
numpad-8 on a blank line would say something like "bla", and cut the
rest).

Greg




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Re: at a loss

[Sean McMahon]

You have to install a firmware if your current firmware isn't the correct
version.  When you turn on your decktalk, it says version number.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: at a loss


> Hi.  I am not aware that you had to install a firmware for your synth.  I'll
> give it a try.  Cheers!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'"
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:05 AM
> Subject: RE: at a loss
>
>
> One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
> 4.2b or later.
> There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of the dectalk
> express.
> You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk express from the gw
> micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com
> Also you note that you are using the express with other screen readers.
> It is always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
> synthesizer so it is set to the defaults.
> Hth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
> To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: at a loss
>
>
> Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
> already:
>
> 1.) Where did you get FC3?
>
> 2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
> installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
> understand you can't run rsync.
>
> 3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
> command?
>
> 4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
> That this feature is, in fact, enabled?
>
>
> jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> > Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the
> > ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
> installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
> all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
> nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
> nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
> installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
> express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
> problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
> totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
> has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
> me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
> foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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> http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG)
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Re: at a loss

[Janina Sajka]

If he's getting kernel panic, there should still be speech, as you say.
Actually, it should be helpful re the reason for the panic. It should be
intelligible.

Gregory Nowak writes:
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> On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 06:48:19AM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> > Hi.  My dactalk said nothing.  Apart from 3 or 4 garbled words which was 
> > beyond me, it said absolutely nothing after that.  Cheers!
> 
> After what, the initial probe by speakup? If so, then this sounds like
> a probing issue somewhere, likely hardware related. If on the other
> hand this is when the system has booted, then that sounds like a
> possible kernel panic or init problem to me. I don't know about
> speakup 2.0, but in older speakup versions, if there was a kernel
> panic or init problem, speakup would say parts of words, (I.E. hitting
> numpad-8 on a blank line would say something like "bla", and cut the
> rest).
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> 
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Re: at a loss

[Glenn at home]

Isn't there a way to test the synth before installing?
Also, I wonder if the cMos settings are not set at the defaults for the 
serial ports.
Glenn


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:38 AM
Subject: at a loss


Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins 
and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the installation 
howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is 
required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but 
tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work. 
I can't even get past the first stage of text installation simply because 
speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk 
express is the source of the problem because it works very well with Wineyes 
and jaws even.  I am totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do. 
Unless someone who has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is 
willing to help me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at 
least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!


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Re: at a loss

[Adam Myrow]

On Thu, 5 May 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> If he's getting kernel panic, there should still be speech, as you say.

In most cases, yes.  However, if something tries to kill the "init" 
process, speech will suddenly become very choppy, as though it were 
constantly being interrupted.  I ran across this once when I was 
experimenting with an initred under an older release of Slackware.  I 
think it was Slackware 9.1, and it didn't have the mkinitrd command as 
later versions do.  So, I had hand-built the initrd, and the 
documentation with the kernel tells you to run an exec command to run the 
regular initrd rather than letting the system do it for you.  I messed up 
the exec command, so there was nothing to replace the linuxrc script which 
was acting as the init process, so I got the kernel panic for an attempt 
to kill init, and speech became almost unusable.  I had to read it word by 
word, and infer the message from the choppy sounds the synthesizer was 
making.  Other than that, speech should remain operable in most panic 
situations, but if something is killing the init process, that could 
explain the garbled sounds.

Re: at a loss

[Glenn at home]

Also,
If you download something like Knoppix, you can boot up to the CD, without 
installing, and know if it is the DecTalk causing the problems.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: at a loss


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Just because you can't get fedora installed, doesn't mean you should
give up on installing gnu/linux. After all, fedora is not the only
gnu/linux distribution out there. There are also:

slackware: <http://www.slackware.com/>,

debian: <http://www.debian.org/>,

gentoo: <http://www.gentoo.org/>

just to name a few. The best thing of course would be if a fedora user
was able to help you solve your problems, and get up and
running. However, if that doesn't happen, look at other distributions
before deciding to quit on gnu/linux. The good news is that there are
slackware, debian, and gentoo users on here as well.

Greg


On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 10:38:50PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins 
> and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the 
> installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all 
> that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing 
> else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems 
> to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text installation 
> simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk express.  I cannot 
> say if my dectalk express is the source of the problem because it works 
> very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am totally stuck now and don't 
> know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has installed linux with the 
> dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to shelf the idea 
> of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!
>
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RE: at a loss

[Steve Dawes]

He can use the rescue portion of the install disk to also have speech to fix
the problem.


Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:58 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Also,
If you download something like Knoppix, you can boot up to the CD, without
installing, and know if it is the DecTalk causing the problems.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: at a loss


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Just because you can't get fedora installed, doesn't mean you should
give up on installing gnu/linux. After all, fedora is not the only
gnu/linux distribution out there. There are also:

slackware: <http://www.slackware.com/>,

debian: <http://www.debian.org/>,

gentoo: <http://www.gentoo.org/>

just to name a few. The best thing of course would be if a fedora user
was able to help you solve your problems, and get up and
running. However, if that doesn't happen, look at other distributions
before deciding to quit on gnu/linux. The good news is that there are
slackware, debian, and gentoo users on here as well.

Greg


On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 10:38:50PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins
> and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
> installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all
> that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing
> else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems
> to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text installation
> simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk express.  I cannot
> say if my dectalk express is the source of the problem because it works
> very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am totally stuck now and don't
> know what else I can do.  Unless someone who has installed linux with the
> dectalk express synth is willing to help me, i'll have to shelf the idea
> of installing linux, at least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!
>
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Re: at a loss

[Glenn at home]

I have a dectalk, but I sure don't want to re-produce the problem!
Seriously though, how might one go about that?
I think the problem may be in the BIOS settings.

Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: at a loss


Oh one more note can anyone else using the dectalk express produce the
problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of jim grimsby
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:05 PM
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: at a loss


One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
4.2b or later.
There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of the dectalk
express.
You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk express from the gw
micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com
Also you note that you are using the express with other screen readers.
It is always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
synthesizer so it is set to the defaults.
Hth

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.) Where did you get FC3?

2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
command?

4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
That this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the
> ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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RE: at a loss

[jim grimsby]

In other words is any one else having this problem or has had this
problem.  If so we can compare systems and find similarities.  

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 5:03 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


I have a dectalk, but I sure don't want to re-produce the problem!
Seriously though, how might one go about that? I think the problem may
be in the BIOS settings.

Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jim grimsby" <jimgrims@pacbell.net>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: at a loss


Oh one more note can anyone else using the dectalk express produce the
problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of jim grimsby
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:05 PM
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: at a loss


One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
4.2b or later. There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of
the dectalk express. You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk
express from the gw micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com Also you
note that you are using the express with other screen readers. It is
always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
synthesizer so it is set to the defaults. Hth

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.) Where did you get FC3?

2.) Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.) Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the command?

4.) Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom? That
this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the 
> ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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Re: at a loss

[jaffar]

Hi.  As far as I'm aware, I am using the onboard comm port.  Cheers!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: at a loss


> One other question.  Are you using the built-in serial port on the 
> computer, or a serial card?  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 
> Speakup only probes the standard I/O address and IRQ for com1 through 
> com4.  Many PCI serial cards will try to use very odd addresses and high 
> IRQs.
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Re: at a loss

[EPYD Productions]

funny, but my situation was just the opisit. my double talk lt didn't work
in win eyes or jaws but it worked in linux with speakup and emacsspeak. i
called rc systems to ask a question on why and they tol me its cause win
eyes and jaws use they're  own drivers. they had me test my lt with
hyperterm and it worked there. but only works with a screen reader in linux.
Blind Tech
website: http://www.users.qwest.net/~drjann/epyd/
contact info can be found on website
email list: EPYD Radio-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
EPYD the only place to be!
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:38 AM
Subject: at a loss


Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the ins
and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the installation
howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done all that is
required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost nothing else but
tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but nothing seems to work.
I can't even get past the first stage of text installation simply because
speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk express.  I cannot say if my dectalk
express is the source of the problem because it works very well with Wineyes
and jaws even.  I am totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.
Unless someone who has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is
willing to help me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at
least for the foreseeable future.  Cheers!


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RE: at a loss

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I am using a Dectalk express with Debian no problems.  I am on the
firmware dated 1996 as I didn't like the newer firmware.

Thanks.
Andrew. 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of jim grimsby
Sent: 05 May 2005 22:13
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: at a loss

Oh one more note can anyone else using the dectalk express produce the
problem? 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of jim grimsby
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 2:05 PM
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Subject: RE: at a loss


One more note what is the fermware of the dectalk express.  It should be
4.2b or later.  
There were problems with some of the earlier fermwares of the dectalk
express.  
You can get the latest fermware for your dectalk express from the gw
micro home page at http://www.gwmicro.com Also you note that you are
using the express with other screen readers.
It is always a good idea while probing for a synthesizer to reset the
synthesizer so it is set to the defaults.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 1:56 PM
To: jaffar@jeffstudio.net; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: at a loss


Let's review a bit, if you don't mind. Pardon if you've mentioned this
already:

1.)	Where did you get FC3?

2.)	Do the best of your ability, you have verified you have good
installation media? Date/time stamps all match, byte size, etc. I
understand you can't run rsync.

3.)	Have you tried booting without the speakup_ser part of the
command?

4.)	Do you know for a fact your bios allows booting from cd rom?
That this feature is, in fact, enabled?


jaffar@jeffstudio.net writes:
> Hi Friends.  It seems to me that my ambition to install and learn the 
> ins and outs of the linux OS has all but failed.  I have copied the
installation howto into braille to the letter as ready reference, done
all that is required of me at the preparation stage, even did almost
nothing else but tried to get FC3 installed for the past 2 days, but
nothing seems to work.  I can't even get past the first stage of text
installation simply because speakup refuses to talk to my Dectalk
express.  I cannot say if my dectalk express is the source of the
problem because it works very well with Wineyes and jaws even.  I am
totally stuck now and don't know what else I can do.  Unless someone who
has installed linux with the dectalk express synth is willing to help
me, i'll have to shelf the idea of installing linux, at least for the
foreseeable future.  Cheers!
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