grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
/dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
better.  Any help in this matter would be great!

Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

Yes, last I checked, there's no choice for installing everything, as there was with FC3.  I believe that to install everything you must go into custom install and make sure you select everything listed there.  I had selected all of the three groupings before going to the custom install, and found that those groupings still left things out.  So in short, you can do it, as far as I could tell, it's just more of a pain in the ass--needlessly, I suspect.

Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Gawronski" <nick@nickgawronski.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system


> Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
> was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
> forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
> Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
> best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
> debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
> /dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
> easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
> not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
> menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
> is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
> better.  Any help in this matter would be great!
> 
> 
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Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, Do you think it is better to uninstall the grub boot loader packages
from my debian system and let fedora core 6 handle the booting and will
it even detect debian? Should I be able to run binaries that were compiled
on fedora core 6 on debian etch what about running binaries compiled on
etch under fedora core 6?  As it says in the how to should I still add the
exclude line for the kernels if I am going to follow the directions for
having yum update my speakup modified kernel updates?  When yum does
update a kernel will it remove the old version or just keep the old
version and I will need to remove it manually? On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Albert
E. Sten-Clanton wrote:

> Yes, last I checked, there's no choice for installing everything, as there was with FC3.  I believe that to install everything you must go into custom install and make sure you select everything listed there.  I had selected all of the three groupings before going to the custom install, and found that those groupings still left things out.  So in short, you can do it, as far as I could tell, it's just more of a pain in the ass--needlessly, I suspect.
>
> Al
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nick Gawronski" <nick@nickgawronski.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:39 PM
> Subject: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system
>
>
> > Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
> > was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
> > forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
> > Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
> > best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
> > debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
> > /dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
> > easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
> > not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
> > menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
> > is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
> > better.  Any help in this matter would be great!
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

I wish I could help with all that, but I can't.  Thought I should at least let you know that, though, and hope somebody else can.  

Al
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick Gawronski" <nick@nickgawronski.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:01 PM
Subject: Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system


> Hi, Do you think it is better to uninstall the grub boot loader packages
> from my debian system and let fedora core 6 handle the booting and will
> it even detect debian? Should I be able to run binaries that were compiled
> on fedora core 6 on debian etch what about running binaries compiled on
> etch under fedora core 6?  As it says in the how to should I still add the
> exclude line for the kernels if I am going to follow the directions for
> having yum update my speakup modified kernel updates?  When yum does
> update a kernel will it remove the old version or just keep the old
> version and I will need to remove it manually? On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Albert
> E. Sten-Clanton wrote:
> 
> > Yes, last I checked, there's no choice for installing everything, as there was with FC3.  I believe that to install everything you must go into custom install and make sure you select everything listed there.  I had selected all of the three groupings before going to the custom install, and found that those groupings still left things out.  So in short, you can do it, as far as I could tell, it's just more of a pain in the ass--needlessly, I suspect.
> >
> > Al
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nick Gawronski" <nick@nickgawronski.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 3:39 PM
> > Subject: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system
> >
> >
> > > Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
> > > was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
> > > forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
> > > Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
> > > best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
> > > debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
> > > /dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
> > > easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
> > > not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
> > > menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
> > > is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
> > > better.  Any help in this matter would be great!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
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Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Janina Sajka]

You might want to contact Bill Acker directly about adding packages.
It's not hard, but I don't recall the details, and he does it all the
time, but I don't believe he keeps up with this list these days.

You can handle grub either way--leave it, or let Fedora manage it. It
will not trash your hda2, and it will happily share swap space for you.

Janina

Nick Gawronski writes:
> Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
> was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
> forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
> Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
> best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
> debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
> /dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
> easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
> not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
> menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
> is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
> better.  Any help in this matter would be great!
> 
> 
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I have fedora core 6 with speakup installed but now when I chroot
into the mounted partition using debian and even in the installation
envirnment I received this error message when trying to upgrade yum
Error: Missing Dependency: yum = 3.0.1-2.fc6 is needed by package
yum-updatesd
How can I fix this problem,  I emailed Bill about the grub issues but
would like to get this yum issue fixed so I can update packages.  I
followed the directions on speakupmodified.org to have yum update my
speakup modified version so do I still need to add the exclude line as
it states in the howto?On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Janina Sajka wrote:

> You might want to contact Bill Acker directly about adding packages.
> It's not hard, but I don't recall the details, and he does it all the
> time, but I don't believe he keeps up with this list these days.
>
> You can handle grub either way--leave it, or let Fedora manage it. It
> will not trash your hda2, and it will happily share swap space for you.
>
> Janina
>
> Nick Gawronski writes:
> > Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
> > was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
> > forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
> > Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
> > best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
> > debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
> > /dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
> > easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
> > not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
> > menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
> > is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
> > better.  Any help in this matter would be great!
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Janina Sajka]

If I understand what you're writing, it doesn't work that way.

You have to boot Fedora to run yum. You don't use Debian and chroot into
your Fedora partition.

Can you boot Fedora? If need be you could ssh into your running session.

If I'm misunderstanding you and you're getting this dependency issue,
simply add the dependency to what you're upgrading, e.g.:

yum update yum yum-updatesd

If you simply run:

yum upgrade

you'll pick up all dependencies, but be careful not to lose your Speakup
Modified kernel rpm. The exclude is still agood idea for that reason,
though it forces you to grab kernels by hand. There is an argument you
can try in your /etc/yum.repos.d/speakupmodified.repo:

kernelpkgnames=kernel-*spk

but the yum docs list this as deprecated, so I don't know what the
future is on that.

Janina


Nick Gawronski writes:
> Hi, I have fedora core 6 with speakup installed but now when I chroot
> into the mounted partition using debian and even in the installation
> envirnment I received this error message when trying to upgrade yum
> Error: Missing Dependency: yum = 3.0.1-2.fc6 is needed by package
> yum-updatesd
> How can I fix this problem,  I emailed Bill about the grub issues but
> would like to get this yum issue fixed so I can update packages.  I
> followed the directions on speakupmodified.org to have yum update my
> speakup modified version so do I still need to add the exclude line as
> it states in the howto?On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > You might want to contact Bill Acker directly about adding packages.
> > It's not hard, but I don't recall the details, and he does it all the
> > time, but I don't believe he keeps up with this list these days.
> >
> > You can handle grub either way--leave it, or let Fedora manage it. It
> > will not trash your hda2, and it will happily share swap space for you.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Nick Gawronski writes:
> > > Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
> > > was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
> > > forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
> > > Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
> > > best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
> > > debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
> > > /dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
> > > easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
> > > not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
> > > menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
> > > is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
> > > better.  Any help in this matter would be great!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> 
> 
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RE: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Well of course it would.  You will have to boot up with the file system you wish to use for that level of operation.  I'm sure if you boot into FC6 and not trying to boot 2 operating systems at the same time you will have success.

If you want to understand how an operating system works why read the Linux From Scratch book as I've already directed you off of this list.  You simply cannot mix and match as you are trying.


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-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Nick Gawronski
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:27 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: grub question on fedora core 6 and debian etch system


Hi, I have fedora core 6 with speakup installed but now when I chroot
into the mounted partition using debian and even in the installation
envirnment I received this error message when trying to upgrade yum
Error: Missing Dependency: yum = 3.0.1-2.fc6 is needed by package
yum-updatesd
How can I fix this problem,  I emailed Bill about the grub issues but
would like to get this yum issue fixed so I can update packages.  I
followed the directions on speakupmodified.org to have yum update my
speakup modified version so do I still need to add the exclude line as
it states in the howto?On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Janina Sajka wrote:

> You might want to contact Bill Acker directly about adding packages.
> It's not hard, but I don't recall the details, and he does it all the
> time, but I don't believe he keeps up with this list these days.
>
> You can handle grub either way--leave it, or let Fedora manage it. It
> will not trash your hda2, and it will happily share swap space for you.
>
> Janina
>
> Nick Gawronski writes:
> > Hi, I am going to be receiving the fedora core 6 DVD son in the mail and
> > was wondering a few things.  First I heard from someone on this list I
> > forget who that now there is no longer a choice for installing everything.
> > Is this true and if I do infact want to install everything what is the
> > best way to go about it?  Also, and my main point for writing is I have
> > debian etch installed on /dev/hda2 and will be installing fedora core 6 on
> > /dev/hda3 with both of them sharing swap space on /dev/hda1.  What is
> > easier, having the fedora core 6 installer install grub on my system or
> > not install grub on the fedora core side of things and just edit the
> > menu.lst file after my fedora core 6 installation?  As soon as that how to
> > is updated for fedora core 6 on speakupmodified.org things would be even
> > better.  Any help in this matter would be great!
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>


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