* speakup & fDisk @ Glenn Ervin ` dashielljt ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux - speakup I have 2 concerns going on here. I have reached the point where I have to select a tool for disk partitioning, and I felt that fDisk was the best choice, since I did not complete the fDisk in DOS , on the drive I am preparing to devote entirely to Linux. And I am fairly comfortable with disk partitioning, as I have done it successfully several times with the other OS. But before I get to the problem with fDisk, I have some problem with speakup which I know should not be there. I noticed that as I move around the screen with tabs, I always get 2 or 3 items read to me. I have figured out that the last item is usually the item selected, but this is quite difficult, especially when I need to be careful to not format my /dev/hda1 drive. The 8 key on the number pad either says nothing or the incorrect item. And I have tried using the numpad enter key to shift the focus, and it does not help. But when I ran the incorrect boot disk, not the one from my ISO, I did not get this double speaking problem, but I cannot use the wrong boot disk, as I eventually get an error with the wrong disk. * So I guess my question is: How do I get fDisk to know I want to format /dev/hdb?, as /dev/hda1 seems to be the only option. And is there a way to effect the verbosity of speakup so it does not give me this double talk? Thanks. "Live long and prosper", O. Glenn Ervin (Lenny) N0YJV Northeast Nebraska e-mail: glennervin@cableone.net The above address can also be found on MSM. or my work e-mail: gErvin@ncbvi.state.ne.us ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk speakup & fDisk Glenn Ervin @ ` dashielljt ` Glenn Ervin ` Janina Sajka ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: dashielljt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux - speakup cfdisk and fdisk share something you're going to like alot. If you put fdisk /dev/hdb on the command line when you start fdisk up, you just pointed linux at drive /dev/hdb. Then you don't have to worry about picking a drive and can get on with the fun stuff. Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` dashielljt @ ` Glenn Ervin ` dashielljt ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, I can only run fDisk right now from the installation program, so is there a way to edit the command line for fDisk during the install? I can only arrow down to fDisk, my other choices are partition druid, and 1 or 2 more programs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dashielljt" <dashielljt@gmpexpress.net> To: "linux - speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: speakup & fDisk cfdisk and fdisk share something you're going to like alot. If you put fdisk /dev/hdb on the command line when you start fdisk up, you just pointed linux at drive /dev/hdb. Then you don't have to worry about picking a drive and can get on with the fun stuff. Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` Glenn Ervin @ ` dashielljt ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: dashielljt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup It's been a while since I did anything with redhat but I think you may be able to include the word rescue on the boot line you use to make everything talk. If you do that, the install program should be prevented from running. If all goes well you'll be put into a basic linux shell in which you can try to run the fdisk /dev/hdb command. I hope you will have fdisk available to you. Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` dashielljt @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Thought this isn't. dashielljt writes: > From: dashielljt <dashielljt@gmpexpress.net> > > It's been a while since I did anything with redhat but I think you may be > able to include the word rescue on the boot line you use to make > everything talk. If you do that, the install program should be prevented > from running. If all goes well you'll be put into a basic linux shell in > which you can try to run the fdisk /dev/hdb command. I hope you will have > fdisk available to you. > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` dashielljt ` Glenn Ervin @ ` Janina Sajka ` dashielljt 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Oh, come on, Jude. Be relevant for a change. He can't do that. He's running the installer and doesn't really have independent access to fdiskk. He doesn't have Linux yet, remember? Oh, and don't confuse the issue by sending him to those other consoles. He still needs to supply mount points to the installer. dashielljt writes: > From: dashielljt <dashielljt@gmpexpress.net> > > cfdisk and fdisk share something you're going to like alot. If you put > fdisk /dev/hdb on the command line when you start fdisk up, you just > pointed linux at drive /dev/hdb. Then you don't have to worry about > picking a drive and can get on with the fun stuff. > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` Janina Sajka @ ` dashielljt ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: dashielljt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Let's put it this way. First slackware hasn't got disk druid. Second, I seem to remember having used fdisk to partition and nname mount points on this system for some strange reason. Third, fdisk works lots better with speakup. It turns out that the first tool to have been used in linux was fdisk and cfdisk was a curses version built on it later so ask yourself why can a curses version of a program do stuff the original can't. Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > Oh, come on, Jude. Be relevant for a change. He can't do that. He's > running the installer and doesn't really have independent access to > fdiskk. He doesn't have Linux yet, remember? > > Oh, and don't confuse the issue by sending him to those other consoles. > He still needs to supply mount points to the installer. > > dashielljt writes: > > From: dashielljt <dashielljt@gmpexpress.net> > > > > cfdisk and fdisk share something you're going to like alot. If you put > > fdisk /dev/hdb on the command line when you start fdisk up, you just > > pointed linux at drive /dev/hdb. Then you don't have to worry about > > picking a drive and can get on with the fun stuff. > > > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` dashielljt @ ` Janina Sajka ` dashielljt 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup You're still missing the point which is that this hasn't been a theoretical discussion. It's been boringly practical with a particular situation and a particular objective to be achieved with a particular toolset. To go beyond these bounds is unhelpful at best. dashielljt writes: > From: dashielljt <dashielljt@gmpexpress.net> > > Let's put it this way. First slackware hasn't got disk druid. Second, I > seem to remember having used fdisk to partition and nname mount points on > this system for some strange reason. Third, fdisk works lots better with > speakup. It turns out that the first tool to have been used in linux was > fdisk and cfdisk was a curses version built on it later so ask yourself > why can a curses version of a program do stuff the original can't. > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Oh, come on, Jude. Be relevant for a change. He can't do that. He's > > running the installer and doesn't really have independent access to > > fdiskk. He doesn't have Linux yet, remember? > > > > Oh, and don't confuse the issue by sending him to those other consoles. > > He still needs to supply mount points to the installer. > > > > dashielljt writes: > > > From: dashielljt <dashielljt@gmpexpress.net> > > > > > > cfdisk and fdisk share something you're going to like alot. If you put > > > fdisk /dev/hdb on the command line when you start fdisk up, you just > > > pointed linux at drive /dev/hdb. Then you don't have to worry about > > > picking a drive and can get on with the fun stuff. > > > > > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` Janina Sajka @ ` dashielljt ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: dashielljt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Actually, I had some of that information incorrect. For slackware users who create partitions and type one of them as swap with fdisk running setup next and choosing target disk allows the setup program to activate the swap disk if not already activated then prompt the user for names for the remaining partitions and label them. As best I can tell those extra labels end up in /etc/fstab in the correct field. Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk ` dashielljt @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup What you say, Jude, may well be correct. I don't know whether it is, or not, because I don't know the first thing about Slackware. But, Glen wasn't installing Slackware, nor did he yet have any kind of Linux installed. So, it's lovely that you can display this encyclopedic knowledge. But, it's irrelevant to the problem Glen was asking for help with. Unfortunately, he may not even know enough about Linux yet to know that you're just spouting off and not actually providing some information he can use. That's why I got on your case, and it's why I'm still on your case. It's not about whether your a good person, or whether you know a thing or two. It's about helping Glen get his Linux installed and working. I'm afraid this doesn't help in the least. dashielljt writes: > From: dashielljt <dashielljt@gmpexpress.net> > > Actually, I had some of that information incorrect. For slackware users > who create partitions and type one of them as swap with fdisk running > setup next and choosing target disk allows the setup program to activate > the swap disk if not already activated then prompt the user for names for > the remaining partitions and label them. As best I can tell those extra > labels end up in /etc/fstab in the correct field. > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: speakup & fDisk speakup & fDisk Glenn Ervin ` dashielljt @ ` Janina Sajka ` Just Thanks...Re: " Glenn Ervin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Glen: You should use diskdruid, even though you're unfamiliar with it. The reason is that you need to provide mount points for your partitions, and fdisk won't let you do that. So, anyway you slice it, your choices are automatic or diskdruid for at least part of the process. I think we discuss the druid at length in the HOWTO, and this is why. NOTE: the mount point is the partition's name/function, as /home or /usr or just / (pronounced slash) for the root partition--the first one you should create. As to knowing where you are, yes there's both a bug here, with one of the libraries, and a trick to pick up. When you tab around, try the 4 key on the numeric to check where you are. Reason? The cursor is just beyond the word that's highlighted, so 5 comes up empty. But, 4 will get you OK or BACK, etc., as the case may be. On many of the menus where you arrow up and down, the cursor is likewise providing false information to Speakup. You're actually hearing the item beyond/beneath the one that's active. If you need verification for any selection, check the attributes with Insert+period on the numeric, the wide key in the lower left, and the thin one in the middle on the bottom row. The highlighted entry will have forground/background colors like no other selection. You will encounter this for the first time in the language selection menu, where Speakup says "French," even though you're really on "English." The most important place to be careful, of course, is in partitioning, as you correctly note. But take heart, you'll get another chance to check whether or not you got it right on the next screen. And, remember the best news of all, making the edits in the diskdruid screen doesn't actually do anything except select how things are to be done. The actual partitioning doesn't happen for many more screens--not until after you've picked all the packages you're installing. Glenn Ervin writes: > From: "Glenn Ervin" <glennervin@cableone.net> > > I have 2 concerns going on here. > I have reached the point where I have to select a tool for disk > partitioning, and I felt that fDisk was the best choice, since I did not > complete the fDisk in DOS , on the drive I am preparing to devote entirely > to Linux. > And I am fairly comfortable with disk partitioning, as I have done it > successfully several times with the other OS. > But before I get to the problem with fDisk, I have some problem with speakup > which I know should not be there. > I noticed that as I move around the screen with tabs, I always get 2 or 3 > items read to me. > I have figured out that the last item is usually the item selected, but this > is quite difficult, especially when I need to be careful to not format my > /dev/hda1 drive. > The 8 key on the number pad either says nothing or the incorrect item. And > I have tried using the numpad enter key to shift the focus, and it does not > help. > But when I ran the incorrect boot disk, not the one from my ISO, I did not > get this double speaking problem, but I cannot use the wrong boot disk, as I > eventually get an error with the wrong disk. > * So I guess my question is: How do I get fDisk to know I want to format > /dev/hdb?, as /dev/hda1 seems to be the only option. > And is there a way to effect the verbosity of speakup so it does not give me > this double talk? > Thanks. > > "Live long and prosper", > O. Glenn Ervin (Lenny) > N0YJV > Northeast Nebraska > e-mail: > glennervin@cableone.net > The above address can also be found on MSM. > or my work e-mail: > gErvin@ncbvi.state.ne.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Just Thanks...Re: speakup & fDisk ` Janina Sajka @ ` Glenn Ervin ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: speakup & fDisk Hi, Glen: You should use diskdruid, even though you're unfamiliar with it. The reason is that you need to provide mount points for your partitions, and fdisk won't let you do that. So, anyway you slice it, your choices are automatic or diskdruid for at least part of the process. I think we discuss the druid at length in the HOWTO, and this is why. NOTE: the mount point is the partition's name/function, as /home or /usr or just / (pronounced slash) for the root partition--the first one you should create. As to knowing where you are, yes there's both a bug here, with one of the libraries, and a trick to pick up. When you tab around, try the 4 key on the numeric to check where you are. Reason? The cursor is just beyond the word that's highlighted, so 5 comes up empty. But, 4 will get you OK or BACK, etc., as the case may be. On many of the menus where you arrow up and down, the cursor is likewise providing false information to Speakup. You're actually hearing the item beyond/beneath the one that's active. If you need verification for any selection, check the attributes with Insert+period on the numeric, the wide key in the lower left, and the thin one in the middle on the bottom row. The highlighted entry will have forground/background colors like no other selection. You will encounter this for the first time in the language selection menu, where Speakup says "French," even though you're really on "English." The most important place to be careful, of course, is in partitioning, as you correctly note. But take heart, you'll get another chance to check whether or not you got it right on the next screen. And, remember the best news of all, making the edits in the diskdruid screen doesn't actually do anything except select how things are to be done. The actual partitioning doesn't happen for many more screens--not until after you've picked all the packages you're installing. Glenn Ervin writes: > From: "Glenn Ervin" <glennervin@cableone.net> > > I have 2 concerns going on here. > I have reached the point where I have to select a tool for disk > partitioning, and I felt that fDisk was the best choice, since I did not > complete the fDisk in DOS , on the drive I am preparing to devote entirely > to Linux. > And I am fairly comfortable with disk partitioning, as I have done it > successfully several times with the other OS. > But before I get to the problem with fDisk, I have some problem with speakup > which I know should not be there. > I noticed that as I move around the screen with tabs, I always get 2 or 3 > items read to me. > I have figured out that the last item is usually the item selected, but this > is quite difficult, especially when I need to be careful to not format my > /dev/hda1 drive. > The 8 key on the number pad either says nothing or the incorrect item. And > I have tried using the numpad enter key to shift the focus, and it does not > help. > But when I ran the incorrect boot disk, not the one from my ISO, I did not > get this double speaking problem, but I cannot use the wrong boot disk, as I > eventually get an error with the wrong disk. > * So I guess my question is: How do I get fDisk to know I want to format > /dev/hdb?, as /dev/hda1 seems to be the only option. > And is there a way to effect the verbosity of speakup so it does not give me > this double talk? > Thanks. > > "Live long and prosper", > O. Glenn Ervin (Lenny) > N0YJV > Northeast Nebraska > e-mail: > glennervin@cableone.net > The above address can also be found on MSM. > or my work e-mail: > gErvin@ncbvi.state.ne.us > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Just Thanks...Re: speakup & fDisk ` Just Thanks...Re: " Glenn Ervin @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Glenn Ervin writes: > > thanks Anytime. It's my pleasure to help. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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