Debian netinst CD with speakup

Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Shane's CD for installing Debian over the net with speakup is a real 
winner, and I am grateful for his effort to make it available. I have a 
question about it, which I can answer by simply trying it, but maybe 
someone knows the answer already:

The disk installs Sarge/testing, but Sarge is no longer testing, since 
it was promoted to stable on June 6. Testing is now called something 
else. So what do I get if I now do an install with that CD? Do I get 
Sarge/stable? or the new testing? Will there be an opportunity to 
specify which I want during the install? perhaps by dropping to a shell 
prompt and editing something? I will be doing two more installations 
later this week and hope to avoid surprises.

Thanks,
Chuck


-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (96% of Full)
But you can still get downloads from http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:05:03 AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> The disk installs Sarge/testing, but Sarge is no longer testing, since 
> it was promoted to stable on June 6. Testing is now called something 
> else. So what do I get if I now do an install with that CD? Do I get 
> Sarge/stable? or the new testing? Will there be an opportunity to 
> specify which I want during the install? perhaps by dropping to a shell 
> prompt and editing something? I will be doing two more installations 
> later this week and hope to avoid surprises.

Short answer: If you have the 3.1r0a CD just install it and it'll work.

Long answer: I think the answer depends on exactly which revision of the
netinst-speakup cd you have. If you downloaded it a while back you might
have a copy that was for the testing ditribution, but if you have the
3.1r0a version then what you have is for stable. You can of course edit
/etc/apt/sources.list after you install and specify
stable/testing/unstable or sarge/etch/sid whichever you prefer. As an
interesting note, according to the debian top brass who are supposed to
know about these things, changing entries in /etc/apt/sources.list is
not the canonical way to choose which version you are running. I am not
completely clear on the details, but it looks like you can have all
three of stable, testing, and unstable listed in sources.list and then
choose the default release you want by putting the line
APT::Default-Release "stable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. This file will not
exist by default. I think this might be a good idea because it allows
you to run selected packages from testing or unstable while keeping the
bulk of your system running stable. It is rather an advanced option, so
as the saying goes "if you break it you get to keep all the pieces."

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[jaffar]

Hi I don't know if this is an appropriate thread on which to discuss this 
on, but the netinst Cd would not boot and I seem to get no response either 
from the CD or when i typed in the speakup command at the boot prompt.  I 
have set the bios on my pc to boot up with my Cd drive, so I can't exactly 
be sure what is really happening here.  Fedora and slackware, for example 
did spin during the boot up and after the text commands for each was typed 
in, but i got no response from the debian netinst CD at all, no spinning to 
speak off.  Don't know what to do next.  Cheers!
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From: "Thomas Stivers" <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>; "Speakup Distribution List" 
<speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup


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> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:05:03 AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>> The disk installs Sarge/testing, but Sarge is no longer testing, since
>> it was promoted to stable on June 6. Testing is now called something
>> else. So what do I get if I now do an install with that CD? Do I get
>> Sarge/stable? or the new testing? Will there be an opportunity to
>> specify which I want during the install? perhaps by dropping to a shell
>> prompt and editing something? I will be doing two more installations
>> later this week and hope to avoid surprises.
>
> Short answer: If you have the 3.1r0a CD just install it and it'll work.
>
> Long answer: I think the answer depends on exactly which revision of the
> netinst-speakup cd you have. If you downloaded it a while back you might
> have a copy that was for the testing ditribution, but if you have the
> 3.1r0a version then what you have is for stable. You can of course edit
> /etc/apt/sources.list after you install and specify
> stable/testing/unstable or sarge/etch/sid whichever you prefer. As an
> interesting note, according to the debian top brass who are supposed to
> know about these things, changing entries in /etc/apt/sources.list is
> not the canonical way to choose which version you are running. I am not
> completely clear on the details, but it looks like you can have all
> three of stable, testing, and unstable listed in sources.list and then
> choose the default release you want by putting the line
> APT::Default-Release "stable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. This file will not
> exist by default. I think this might be a good idea because it allows
> you to run selected packages from testing or unstable while keeping the
> bulk of your system running stable. It is rather an advanced option, so
> as the saying goes "if you break it you get to keep all the pieces."
>
> - -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>
> Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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RE: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Jim Grimsby]

Hi, try booting it using the speakup26 kernel instead 
Hth 

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jaffar@jeffstudio.net
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:31 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup


Hi I don't know if this is an appropriate thread on which to discuss
this 
on, but the netinst Cd would not boot and I seem to get no response
either 
from the CD or when i typed in the speakup command at the boot prompt.
I 
have set the bios on my pc to boot up with my Cd drive, so I can't
exactly 
be sure what is really happening here.  Fedora and slackware, for
example 
did spin during the boot up and after the text commands for each was
typed 
in, but i got no response from the debian netinst CD at all, no spinning
to 
speak off.  Don't know what to do next.  Cheers!
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From: "Thomas Stivers" <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>; "Speakup Distribution List" 
<speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup


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> Hash: RIPEMD160
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> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:05:03 AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>> The disk installs Sarge/testing, but Sarge is no longer testing, 
>> since it was promoted to stable on June 6. Testing is now called 
>> something else. So what do I get if I now do an install with that CD?

>> Do I get Sarge/stable? or the new testing? Will there be an 
>> opportunity to specify which I want during the install? perhaps by 
>> dropping to a shell prompt and editing something? I will be doing two

>> more installations later this week and hope to avoid surprises.
>
> Short answer: If you have the 3.1r0a CD just install it and it'll 
> work.
>
> Long answer: I think the answer depends on exactly which revision of 
> the netinst-speakup cd you have. If you downloaded it a while back you

> might have a copy that was for the testing ditribution, but if you 
> have the 3.1r0a version then what you have is for stable. You can of 
> course edit /etc/apt/sources.list after you install and specify 
> stable/testing/unstable or sarge/etch/sid whichever you prefer. As an 
> interesting note, according to the debian top brass who are supposed 
> to know about these things, changing entries in /etc/apt/sources.list 
> is not the canonical way to choose which version you are running. I am

> not completely clear on the details, but it looks like you can have 
> all three of stable, testing, and unstable listed in sources.list and 
> then choose the default release you want by putting the line 
> APT::Default-Release "stable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. This file will 
> not exist by default. I think this might be a good idea because it 
> allows you to run selected packages from testing or unstable while 
> keeping the bulk of your system running stable. It is rather an 
> advanced option, so as the saying goes "if you break it you get to 
> keep all the pieces."
>
> - --
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>
> Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:31:28 PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi I don't know if this is an appropriate thread on which to discuss this 
> on, but the netinst Cd would not boot and I seem to get no response either 
> from the CD or when i typed in the speakup command at the boot prompt.  I 

By the speakup command  do you mean:

linux speakup-synth=xxxx

or

linux26 speakup_synth=xxxx

Where xxxx is the string for your synthesizer. I don't think the kernel
itself is named speakup.

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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RE: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Jim Grimsby]

 I don't think the kernel itself is named speakup.
Yes it is.  
Hth 

RE: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Jim Grimsby]

Here is  what the readme says about starting with speech using the new
debian speech enabled cd.  
 In order to enable speech, at the boot
prompt, type speakup followed by a space, speakup_synth=xxxxx where
xxxxx is
the SpeakUp synthesizer code to use.  For example, using an Accent SA,
the
boot line should look like this speakup speakup_synth=ACNTSA

As an alternative, a speakup26 boot target is also available which when
used
will boot a 2.6 speakup kernel for installation.  It has been reported
that
some hardware, especially machines with newer sata controllers require
this.
Using the example above, an appropriate boot line would be:
speakup26 speakup_synth=acntsa

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[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Thomas Stivers
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:56 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup


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On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:31:28 PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> Hi I don't know if this is an appropriate thread on which to discuss 
> this
> on, but the netinst Cd would not boot and I seem to get no response
either 
> from the CD or when i typed in the speakup command at the boot prompt.
I 

By the speakup command  do you mean:

linux speakup-synth=xxxx

or

linux26 speakup_synth=xxxx

Where xxxx is the string for your synthesizer. I don't think the kernel
itself is named speakup.

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 10:25:36 AM -0700, Jim Grimsby wrote:
> Here is  what the readme says about starting with speech using the new
> debian speech enabled cd.  
>  In order to enable speech, at the boot
> prompt, type speakup followed by a space, speakup_synth=xxxxx where

My apologies, I didn't check before posting that. I just thought that
was the command I used when installing. Just another of being helpful
when I'm not eh Kirk. Again sorry about that.

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

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Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Sean McMahon]

The speakup kernel on the netinst iso is called speakup because the linux kernel
boots the non-speakup kernel.  This is one deviation from the access  floppies.
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To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup


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> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 11:31:28 PM +0800, jaffar@jeffstudio.net wrote:
> > Hi I don't know if this is an appropriate thread on which to discuss this
> > on, but the netinst Cd would not boot and I seem to get no response either
> > from the CD or when i typed in the speakup command at the boot prompt.  I
>
> By the speakup command  do you mean:
>
> linux speakup-synth=xxxx
>
> or
>
> linux26 speakup_synth=xxxx
>
> Where xxxx is the string for your synthesizer. I don't think the kernel
> itself is named speakup.
>
> - -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>
> Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Sean McMahon]

And you properly created a bootable cd?
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From: <jaffar@jeffstudio.net>
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Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup


> Hi I don't know if this is an appropriate thread on which to discuss this 
> on, but the netinst Cd would not boot and I seem to get no response either 
> from the CD or when i typed in the speakup command at the boot prompt.  I 
> have set the bios on my pc to boot up with my Cd drive, so I can't exactly 
> be sure what is really happening here.  Fedora and slackware, for example 
> did spin during the boot up and after the text commands for each was typed 
> in, but i got no response from the debian netinst CD at all, no spinning to 
> speak off.  Don't know what to do next.  Cheers!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Stivers" <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>; "Speakup Distribution List" 
> <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup
> 
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: RIPEMD160
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:05:03 AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >> The disk installs Sarge/testing, but Sarge is no longer testing, since
> >> it was promoted to stable on June 6. Testing is now called something
> >> else. So what do I get if I now do an install with that CD? Do I get
> >> Sarge/stable? or the new testing? Will there be an opportunity to
> >> specify which I want during the install? perhaps by dropping to a shell
> >> prompt and editing something? I will be doing two more installations
> >> later this week and hope to avoid surprises.
> >
> > Short answer: If you have the 3.1r0a CD just install it and it'll work.
> >
> > Long answer: I think the answer depends on exactly which revision of the
> > netinst-speakup cd you have. If you downloaded it a while back you might
> > have a copy that was for the testing ditribution, but if you have the
> > 3.1r0a version then what you have is for stable. You can of course edit
> > /etc/apt/sources.list after you install and specify
> > stable/testing/unstable or sarge/etch/sid whichever you prefer. As an
> > interesting note, according to the debian top brass who are supposed to
> > know about these things, changing entries in /etc/apt/sources.list is
> > not the canonical way to choose which version you are running. I am not
> > completely clear on the details, but it looks like you can have all
> > three of stable, testing, and unstable listed in sources.list and then
> > choose the default release you want by putting the line
> > APT::Default-Release "stable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. This file will not
> > exist by default. I think this might be a good idea because it allows
> > you to run selected packages from testing or unstable while keeping the
> > bulk of your system running stable. It is rather an advanced option, so
> > as the saying goes "if you break it you get to keep all the pieces."
> >
> > - -- 
> > "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> > Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> > by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
> >
> > Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Sean McMahon]

Out of curiosity, where did you find the listing about choosing the default
release in apt.conf ?
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: RIPEMD160
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 07:05:03 AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > The disk installs Sarge/testing, but Sarge is no longer testing, since
> > it was promoted to stable on June 6. Testing is now called something
> > else. So what do I get if I now do an install with that CD? Do I get
> > Sarge/stable? or the new testing? Will there be an opportunity to
> > specify which I want during the install? perhaps by dropping to a shell
> > prompt and editing something? I will be doing two more installations
> > later this week and hope to avoid surprises.
>
> Short answer: If you have the 3.1r0a CD just install it and it'll work.
>
> Long answer: I think the answer depends on exactly which revision of the
> netinst-speakup cd you have. If you downloaded it a while back you might
> have a copy that was for the testing ditribution, but if you have the
> 3.1r0a version then what you have is for stable. You can of course edit
> /etc/apt/sources.list after you install and specify
> stable/testing/unstable or sarge/etch/sid whichever you prefer. As an
> interesting note, according to the debian top brass who are supposed to
> know about these things, changing entries in /etc/apt/sources.list is
> not the canonical way to choose which version you are running. I am not
> completely clear on the details, but it looks like you can have all
> three of stable, testing, and unstable listed in sources.list and then
> choose the default release you want by putting the line
> APT::Default-Release "stable"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf. This file will not
> exist by default. I think this might be a good idea because it allows
> you to run selected packages from testing or unstable while keeping the
> bulk of your system running stable. It is rather an advanced option, so
> as the saying goes "if you break it you get to keep all the pieces."
>
> - -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>
> Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Re: Debian netinst CD with speakup

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 10:48:30 AM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> Out of curiosity, where did you find the listing about choosing the default
> release in apt.conf ?

In the apt_preferences man page. Here is the relevant bit, <sarcasm> although the
whole thing is such exciting reading I don't know how anyone could pass
up the chance to read it. </sarcasm>

APT's Default Priority Assignments
       If there is no preferences file or if there is no entry in the
       file that applies to a  particular  version  then  the priority
       assigned  to that version is the priority of the distribution to
       which that version belongs. It is possible to single out a
       distribution, "the target release", which receives a higher
       priority than other distributions  do  by default.   The  target
       release  can  be  set  on  the  apt-get  command  line  or  in
       the  APT  configuration  file /etc/apt/apt.conf. For example,

       apt-get install -t testing some-package

       APT::Default-Release "stable";

HTH

- -- 
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

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