cvs speakup and curser tracking

cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Hello all,
I was just wondering if any of you have had some of the same curser tracking problems I have had with CVS Speakup. First, when I backspace in just about nay text editor, it doesn't read the characer that got deleted. Second, any program that uses any sort of moving highlight bar doesn't read at all. It used to work to some degree, but now it simply doesn't read the text being highlighted. Is there anything that can be done about this?

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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi,

As to your second problem, I have a feeling (though no confirmation, of course) that the highlight tracking not working as it did before has something to do with making cursor tracking in general work better. Now as to your backspace issue, the only text editor I know for sure backspace doesn't read on is pico. Works great with nano and emacs though, so I'm not sure what "most" text editors you're using.
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Steve Holmes]

I especially like the new cursor tracking for general editing both in
text editers such as emacs and the shell command line as well.  But
for curses type programs like pine or mutt, the only saving grace is
the application moves the cursor while moving the highlight.  If you
really wanna see something that doesn't track well with speakup now,
try a menu inside the dialog facility available for shell scripts.
I'll bet cfdisk doesn't track well either.  Perhaps we need a way to
turn this cursoring off for those occasions when a light bar is being tracked.

On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 01:18:20AM -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As to your second problem, I have a feeling (though no confirmation, of course) that the highlight tracking not working as it did before has something to do with making cursor tracking in general work better. Now as to your backspace issue, the only text editor I know for sure backspace doesn't read on is pico. Works great with nano and emacs though, so I'm not sure what "most" text editors you're using.
> -- 
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> Email: davros@ycardz.com   | in the cradle of your grace,
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> 
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Thomas Stivers]

On 08/03/03  1:18 AM -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As to your second problem, I have a feeling (though no confirmation,
> of course) that the highlight tracking not working as it did before
> has something to do with making cursor tracking in general work
> better. Now as to your backspace issue, the only text editor I know
> for sure backspace doesn't read on is pico. Works great with nano and
> emacs though, so I'm not sure what "most" text editors you're using.

I have had the same problem with vim, but for what its worth, backspace
works correctly in vim when running in a screen session. Just my $0.02.
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carefully than others.
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Janina Sajka]

Got a great trick for using VIM from Bill.

Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.

Thomas Stivers writes:
> From: Thomas Stivers <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
> 
> On 08/03/03  1:18 AM -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > As to your second problem, I have a feeling (though no confirmation,
> > of course) that the highlight tracking not working as it did before
> > has something to do with making cursor tracking in general work
> > better. Now as to your backspace issue, the only text editor I know
> > for sure backspace doesn't read on is pico. Works great with nano and
> > emacs though, so I'm not sure what "most" text editors you're using.
> 
> I have had the same problem with vim, but for what its worth, backspace
> works correctly in vim when running in a screen session. Just my $0.02.
> -- 
> Unix is a user friendly operating system. It just picks its friends more
> carefully than others.
> Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org	gpg: 45CBBABD
> 
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Adam Myrow]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
> annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
> grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
> we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.

Interestingly, this doesn't happen in Slackware, just in Redhat.  So, I'm
thinking Redhat did in fact turn on some feature or other by default which
Slackware didn't.  I have no idea what feature it might be, though.

As to the original question of cursor tracking, I was thinking that a way
to switch Speakup to treat a highlighted bar on the screen as a cursor,
thus reading the line it is on as you move it would be nice.

Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Buddy Brannan]

Shouldn't the new window option in Speakup take care of this?

With speakup-f2, define the bit you want silenced, then activate it
with speakup-F4. That's in the CVS Speakup.
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Thomas Stivers]

On 08/03/03 11:25 AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Got a great trick for using VIM from Bill.
> 
> Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
> annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
> grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
> we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.

You can also do :set noruler. Either put this in by hand or keep it in
your .vimrc and that gets rid of the col and ln info. If you need to
know them use ^g in normal mode.
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[John covici]

You do have silent windows -- speakup f2 starts and ends the window
and speakup-f4 silences or unsilences it.

on Sunday 08/03/2003 Thomas Stivers(stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org) wrote
 > On 08/03/03 11:25 AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
 > > Got a great trick for using VIM from Bill.
 > > 
 > > Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
 > > annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
 > > grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
 > > we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.
 > 
 > You can also do :set noruler. Either put this in by hand or keep it in
 > your .vimrc and that gets rid of the col and ln info. If you need to
 > know them use ^g in normal mode.
 > -- 
 > Unix is a user friendly operating system. It just picks its friends more
 > carefully than others.
 > Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org	gpg: 45CBBABD
 > 
 > _______________________________________________
 > Speakup mailing list
 > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
 > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Janina Sajka]

Very cool. I knew I should have asked about this sooner! <grin>

Also, like the silence Window that I hadn't yet noticed in Speakup CVS.
However, I wonder if it will need to be much more sophisticated before
it's very useful? For example, I doubt that defining a particular region
as silent only makes sense in particular screens of particular
applications--not across consoles and all applications, for example.
Also, I would expect that being able to specify multiple regions for all
kinds of rule based behavior would be the eventual goal, e.g. silent in
some apps, auto spoken on certain screens of other apps, chained in a
particular order for yet other apps, etc.

Thomas Stivers writes:
> From: Thomas Stivers <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
> 
> On 08/03/03 11:25 AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > Got a great trick for using VIM from Bill.
> > 
> > Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
> > annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
> > grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
> > we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.
> 
> You can also do :set noruler. Either put this in by hand or keep it in
> your .vimrc and that gets rid of the col and ln info. If you need to
> know them use ^g in normal mode.
> -- 
> Unix is a user friendly operating system. It just picks its friends more
> carefully than others.
> Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org	gpg: 45CBBABD
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Janina Sajka]

No, Adam,. It's actually happening with Debian. I am not using Red Hat
for my mail most of the time. Sorry to disappoint you.

Adam Myrow writes:
> From: Adam Myrow <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
> 
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
> > annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
> > grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
> > we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.
> 
> Interestingly, this doesn't happen in Slackware, just in Redhat.  So, I'm
> thinking Redhat did in fact turn on some feature or other by default which
> Slackware didn't.  I have no idea what feature it might be, though.
> 
> As to the original question of cursor tracking, I was thinking that a way
> to switch Speakup to treat a highlighted bar on the screen as a cursor,
> thus reading the line it is on as you move it would be nice.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Gregory Nowak]

On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:02:15AM -0500, Adam Myrow wrote:
> 
> Interestingly, this doesn't happen in Slackware, just in Redhat.  So, I'm
> thinking Redhat did in fact turn on some feature or other by default which
> Slackware didn't.  I have no idea what feature it might be, though.
> 

Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's also interesting that Janina says
this also happens in Debian. So, there's got to be something turned on
by default in those 2 distros, but turned off in slackware it seems
like.

Greg



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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Steve Holmes]

Yes and since many of Speakup's options are in /proc/speakup, it would
be interesting to save the window definition and options in there as
well and just use wrapper scripts to preload
/proc/speakup/window... with appropriate values for a given app.
Sounds kinda like the way we did things with ScreenTalk and Prokey.
Anyone remember back that far?:) Quite a bit of power there dispite
the brain dead OS we were using back then.

On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 01:08:37PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Very cool. I knew I should have asked about this sooner! <grin>
> 
> Also, like the silence Window that I hadn't yet noticed in Speakup CVS.
> However, I wonder if it will need to be much more sophisticated before
> it's very useful? For example, I doubt that defining a particular region
> as silent only makes sense in particular screens of particular
> applications--not across consoles and all applications, for example.
> Also, I would expect that being able to specify multiple regions for all
> kinds of rule based behavior would be the eventual goal, e.g. silent in
> some apps, auto spoken on certain screens of other apps, chained in a
> particular order for yet other apps, etc.

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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Thomas Stivers]

On 08/03/03 12:56 PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
 
> Yeah, I've noticed that too. It's also interesting that Janina says
> this also happens in Debian. So, there's got to be something turned on
> by default in those 2 distros, but turned off in slackware it seems
> like.

					 *'ruler'* *'ru'* *'noruler'* *'noru'*
'ruler' 'ru'		boolean	(default off)
			global
			{not in Vi}
			{not available when compiled without the
			|+cmdline_info| feature}
	Show the line and column number of the cursor position, separated by a
	comma.  When there is room, the relative position of the displayed
	text in the file is shown on the far right:
		Top	first line is visible
		Bot	last line is visible
		All	first and last line are visible
		45%	relative position in the file
	If 'rulerformat' is set, it will determine the contents of the ruler.
	Each window has its own ruler.  If a window has a status line, the
	ruler is shown there.  Otherwise it is shown in the last line of the
	screen.  If the statusline is given by 'statusline' (ie. not empty),
	this option takes precedence over 'ruler' and 'rulerformat'
	If the number of characters displayed is different from the number of
	bytes in the text (e.g., for a TAB or a multi-byte character), both
	the text column (byte number) and the screen column are shown,
	separated with a dash.
	For an empty line "0-1" is shown.
	For an empty buffer the line number will also be zero: "0,0-1".

	Straight out of the vim help file, in Debian this option is set
	in /etc/vim/vimrc, but this may be different in other distros.
	To find out what scripts vim sources use :scriptnames. Sorry to
	be such a vim zealot, but it seems to get a lot of bad press. 
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[William Hubbs]

Hi Janina and all,

you can turn off the line/column updates in vim by putting this line in your .vimrc:

set noruler

That should get rid of that.

William

On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 01:23:32PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> No, Adam,. It's actually happening with Debian. I am not using Red Hat
> for my mail most of the time. Sorry to disappoint you.
> 
> Adam Myrow writes:
> > From: Adam Myrow <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
> > 
> > On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > > Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
> > > annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
> > > grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
> > > we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.
> > 
> > Interestingly, this doesn't happen in Slackware, just in Redhat.  So, I'm
> > thinking Redhat did in fact turn on some feature or other by default which
> > Slackware didn't.  I have no idea what feature it might be, though.
> > 
> > As to the original question of cursor tracking, I was thinking that a way
> > to switch Speakup to treat a highlighted bar on the screen as a cursor,
> > thus reading the line it is on as you move it would be nice.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Gene Collins]

Hi Adam.  I think you may be using Speakup 1.5, where as the folks
talking about the cursor tracking issues are using the cvs 2.0 version
of speakup.  It is * NOT * a distribution issue, since Speakup behaves
uniformly across distributions.  Kirk's motto applies, "Why be helpful
when you are not."  (smile)  Confusing the issue for other users with
what you think is happening when it ain't so is not helpful.

I have long felt the Speakup 2.0 needs a cursor tracking off feature
similar to what 1.5 has.  Kirk's response is that cursor tracking just
needs to work better.  My response to that is, give the user control. 
It doesn't matter what other screen readers have or don't have.  If it's
a feature that people find useful, it aught to be implemented.  I
realize that Kirk is busy, and this is in no way ment to be critical of
him.  But if some of you feel like I do that there aught to be a cursor
tracking off feature that can be used with problem programs, for
example, alsa mixer, then let Kirk know your preferences.

Perhaps if enough folks express the need for such a feature, it will be
put on the to do list.

I post this just to bring the discussion to a wider audience.  It's been
discussed on the reflecter, but most of the folks on the reflecter don't
seem to feel strongly about it.  Maybe I'm beating a dead horse, and it
doesn't really matter to most folks.  If that's so, so be it.  But if
not, make your feelings known.

Gene

Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Thomas Stivers]

On 08/04/03 10:46 AM -0500, Gene Collins wrote:
> I have long felt the Speakup 2.0 needs a cursor tracking off feature
> similar to what 1.5 has.  Kirk's response is that cursor tracking just
> needs to work better.  My response to that is, give the user control. 
> It doesn't matter what other screen readers have or don't have.  If it's
> a feature that people find useful, it aught to be implemented.  I
> realize that Kirk is busy, and this is in no way ment to be critical of
> him.  But if some of you feel like I do that there aught to be a cursor
> tracking off feature that can be used with problem programs, for
> example, alsa mixer, then let Kirk know your preferences.

One possible explanation is that speakup 2.0 is still being tested, and
if people are just able to turn off cursor tracking there may be less
problem reports and more work arounds. I expect that Kirk wants the
cursor tracking to be robust and if people are just turning it off then
it isn't getting tested. This, of course, is all just a guess on my part though.
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Gregory Nowak]

I have to say I totally agree with Gene here.
I am still using speakup 1.5 here, but there will come a time when it
will no longer work with newer kernels, which means I'll have to move
up to the cvs version.

>From my humble point of view, if a newer version of a screen reader
doesn't work in applications where it once used to work, and a user
has no way to return to the state where things do work, the version of
the screen reader should be down graded, and not upgraded.

Yes, I know that's harsh and maybe a bit unfair, and I don't mean to
belittle the wonderful work Kirk et al are doing, but free software or
not, having a program which doesn't allow for backwards compatibility
when needed, isn't going to help anyone, and might even make the
screen reader less attractive to newbys, when they realize there are
some applications that don't work with it. Next thing we know, they'll
be saying it's just like the windblows screen reader, where some
applications work, and others don't, and I'm sure none of us would
want to have something like that being spread around.

Also, while I appreciate Kirk's optimism, the fact is that we don't
have a large team of programmers working on the project, and improving
cursoring isn't going to happen over night. So, a feature that turns
it on and off is good, until cursoring does get improved.
Just my $.02 worth, and I hope I didn't step on anybody's toes here (smile).

Greg


On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:46:34AM -0500, Gene Collins wrote:
> Hi Adam.  I think you may be using Speakup 1.5, where as the folks
> talking about the cursor tracking issues are using the cvs 2.0 version
> of speakup.  It is * NOT * a distribution issue, since Speakup behaves
> uniformly across distributions.  Kirk's motto applies, "Why be helpful
> when you are not."  (smile)  Confusing the issue for other users with
> what you think is happening when it ain't so is not helpful.
> 
> I have long felt the Speakup 2.0 needs a cursor tracking off feature
> similar to what 1.5 has.  Kirk's response is that cursor tracking just
> needs to work better.  My response to that is, give the user control. 
> It doesn't matter what other screen readers have or don't have.  If it's
> a feature that people find useful, it aught to be implemented.  I
> realize that Kirk is busy, and this is in no way ment to be critical of
> him.  But if some of you feel like I do that there aught to be a cursor
> tracking off feature that can be used with problem programs, for
> example, alsa mixer, then let Kirk know your preferences.
> 
> Perhaps if enough folks express the need for such a feature, it will be
> put on the to do list.
> 
> I post this just to bring the discussion to a wider audience.  It's been
> discussed on the reflecter, but most of the folks on the reflecter don't
> seem to feel strongly about it.  Maybe I'm beating a dead horse, and it
> doesn't really matter to most folks.  If that's so, so be it.  But if
> not, make your feelings known.
> 
> Gene
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Joseph C. Lininger]

Ok I'll try nano. Where do I find it again? Someone told me once, but now I don't have that message any more.

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On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As to your second problem, I have a feeling (though no confirmation, of course) that the highlight tracking not working as it did before has something to do with making cursor tracking in general work better. Now as to your backspace issue, the only text editor I know for sure backspace doesn't read on is pico. Works great with nano and emacs though, so I'm not sure what "most" text editors you're using.
>

Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Luke Davis]

You can search for it on sourceforge.


On Mon, 4 Aug 2003, Joseph C. Lininger wrote:

> Ok I'll try nano. Where do I find it again? Someone told me once, but now I don't have that message any more.
>
>

Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Shaun Oliver]

*SNIP*
if some of you feel like I do that there aught to be a cursor
tracking off feature that can be used with problem programs, for
example, alsa mixer, then let Kirk know your preferences.
well, honestly, I don't know why it was ditched in the first place.
I'm assuming however, kirk had his reasons. however, having said that,
I'd prefer to have an off for cursor tracking.

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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Steve Holmes]

Sorry for the "Me too," but the sited example of alsamixer and my
previous mention of cfdisk are good reasons to have some means of
turning off cursor tracking while using such programs.  I agree, if
cursor tracking finally evolves to being *REAL* smart:), then that
"turn off" feature could be removed.  It's probably less confusing to
a new user to have to remember to turn cursor tracking on or off but I
too feel it would be ov some value right now.

On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 09:39:10PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> *SNIP*
> well, honestly, I don't know why it was ditched in the first place.
> I'm assuming however, kirk had his reasons. however, having said that,
> I'd prefer to have an off for cursor tracking.

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Re: cvs speakup and curser tracking

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  If you want to stop speakup from reading the ruler in vim, make
sure you have
set noruler

in your /etc/vim/vimrc ror your local .vimrc file.
You can check to see if it fixes the problem by typing 
:set noruler
while running vim.

          Kenny
	  
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:25:14AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Got a great trick for using VIM from Bill.
> 
> Start ex, then use vi to go into full screen mode. This avoids that
> annoying automated updating of row and column location data that keeps
> grabbing Speakup's speech. Wish there was a config it off, but I imagine
> we'll eventually get "silent zone" support from Speakup.
> 
> Thomas Stivers writes:
> > From: Thomas Stivers <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
> > 
> > On 08/03/03  1:18 AM -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > As to your second problem, I have a feeling (though no confirmation,
> > > of course) that the highlight tracking not working as it did before
> > > has something to do with making cursor tracking in general work
> > > better. Now as to your backspace issue, the only text editor I know
> > > for sure backspace doesn't read on is pico. Works great with nano and
> > > emacs though, so I'm not sure what "most" text editors you're using.
> > 
> > I have had the same problem with vim, but for what its worth, backspace
> > works correctly in vim when running in a screen session. Just my $0.02.
> > -- 
> > Unix is a user friendly operating system. It just picks its friends more
> > carefully than others.
> > Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org	gpg: 45CBBABD
> > 
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