speakup i18n question

speakup i18n question

[Willem van der Walt]

Good day,
Thanks for adding the i18n stuff.  I have compiled and am now running the 
new version of speakup and started to do the Afrikaans translations.
How are this going to work at the end?  Would one keep a copy of the files 
in the i18n directory and then cat them to 
sys/accessibility/speakup/i18n/* each time you want to change language?
Are there plans to keep directories according to language code or is there 
another way these things will work?
Am I missing something?
TIA, Willem


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Re: speakup i18n question

[Hermann]

On 18.06.2009 at 16:39:54 Willem van der Walt <wvdwalt@csir.co.za> wrote:

> Good day,
> Thanks for adding the i18n stuff.  I have compiled and am now running the 
> new version of speakup and started to do the Afrikaans translations.

I did so for German.

> How are this going to work at the end?  Would one keep a copy of the files 
> in the i18n directory and then cat them to 
> sys/accessibility/speakup/i18n/* each time you want to change language?
> Are there plans to keep directories according to language code or is there 
> another way these things will work?

My approach is to copy the necessary settings by using speakupconf.
You get a copy of your configuration in /etc/speakup; there's an i18n
folder as well.
You then edit the needed files here. Be aware of some work. :-(

> Am I missing something?

Maybe there is a different way, but my approach fits my needs.
One question to the native English speakers: What means "bleep"?
Hermann

Re: speakup i18n question

[Samuel Thibault]

Hermann, le Thu 18 Jun 2009 16:51:50 +0200, a écrit :
> One question to the native English speakers: What means "bleep"?

It's the sound make by the speaker when it beeps.

Samuel

Re: speakup i18n question

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Willem and all.  We will probably create an i18n directory in the
speakup tree with subdirectories for each of the languages by two
letter country codes such as en and de.

We will then most likely have a language option in the installation
script and use speakupconf to subsequently load and unload i18n
language choices.

If any of you have suggestions we'd love to hear them.

--
Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: speakup i18n question

[Hermann]

On 18.06.2009 at 17:13:28 Samuel Thibault <samuel.thibault@ens-lyon.org> wrote:

> Hermann, le Thu 18 Jun 2009 16:51:50 +0200, a écrit :
>> One question to the native English speakers: What means "bleep"?
>
> It's the sound make by the speaker when it beeps.
>
And what are "attribute bleep decrement" and "attribute bleep
increment"?
I never heard Speakup beep on any attributes.
Hermann

Re: speakup i18n question

[Samuel Thibault]

Kirk Reiser, le Thu 18 Jun 2009 11:18:47 -0400, a écrit :
> Hi Willem and all.  We will probably create an i18n directory in the
> speakup tree with subdirectories for each of the languages by two
> letter country codes such as en and de.

Also optionally put the country, like en_US vs en_GB, fr_FR vs fr_CA,
etc.

> We will then most likely have a language option in the installation
> script

Mmm, better install all languages, and let the user configure it
afterwards (or have scripts just use the current $LANG from `locale`).

Samuel

Re: speakup i18n question

[Kirk Reiser]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Hermann wrote:

> And what are "attribute bleep decrement" and "attribute bleep
> increment"?

Those are the values that should be added to or subtracted from the
tone frequency when the review cursors move up and down the screen.

> I never heard Speakup beep on any attributes.

Then possibly you don't have a pc speaker built into your computer.
Speakup is actually a fairly talkitive programs with beeps when you
cross attribute changes, wrap around line boundries, and other places
as well.

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Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: speakup i18n question

[Hermann]

On 18.06.2009 at 17:30:11 Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Hermann wrote:
>
>> And what are "attribute bleep decrement" and "attribute bleep
>> increment"?
>
> Those are the values that should be added to or subtracted from the
> tone frequency when the review cursors move up and down the screen.
>
>> I never heard Speakup beep on any attributes.
>
> Then possibly you don't have a pc speaker built into your computer.

Yes, there are no speakers.

> Speakup is actually a fairly talkitive programs with beeps when you
> cross attribute changes, wrap around line boundries, and other places
> as well.
>
OK, I'll accomplish my translation.
BTW: Is there a way to commit translated files? Perhaps there are more
Germans on this list?
Hermann

Re: speakup i18n question

[Gaijin]

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 05:24:41PM +0200, Hermann wrote:
> And what are "attribute bleep decrement" and "attribute bleep
> increment"?

	There is a nice Debian package called "beep" that's a fairly 
sophisticated speaker beep tool you may want to look at.  Great for 
marking audio territory with jingles and tunes.

			Michael

Re: speakup i18n question

[Willem van der Walt]

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Good day,
I like Samuel's suggestion of installing all  languages and have the user 
change the language by echoing to something like 
/sys/accessibility/speakup/lang.
I do not really like the idea of $LANG,  because I often flip between 
Afrikaans and English and do not always want to change $LANG.
What I actually do in practice, is to use the sysrequest line in inittab 
to be able to map a key globally for changing voice/language.  The key is 
alt-up arrow.
It works well for only a few languages, but here in South Africa we have 
eleven official languages.
There are not synthesizers for all of the languages yet, but there might 
be some day.
Having a pair of keys in speakup to change language would actually be 
nice.
For example, the same way one can change rate and pitch, but for changing 
between the languages.
I am now answering this email from Samuel in English, using espeak 
speaking English, but the next email in my alpine in box might well be an 
email in Afrikaans.  I then want to quickly flip to Afrikaans for the 
duration of that email, flipping back to English for the next email which 
is likely to be in English again.
Sorry for the long post, but I think it is important that the developers 
understand how this feature might be used.
I have also picked up what I think might be a bit of a bug.
In my case, when pressing speakup-key numpad enter, it says "you turned me 
off" as it should, but when pressing this combination again, it just says 
hei and not "hei that's better" as it should.
It looks like this is happening everywhere where there is a single quote 
in the message.
Thanks again for adding i18n, it is great.
Regards, Willem


On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Kirk Reiser, le Thu 18 Jun 2009 11:18:47 -0400, a écrit :
> > Hi Willem and all.  We will probably create an i18n directory in the
> > speakup tree with subdirectories for each of the languages by two
> > letter country codes such as en and de.
> 
> Also optionally put the country, like en_US vs en_GB, fr_FR vs fr_CA,
> etc.
> 
> > We will then most likely have a language option in the installation
> > script
> 
> Mmm, better install all languages, and let the user configure it
> afterwards (or have scripts just use the current $LANG from `locale`).
> 
> Samuel
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Re: speakup i18n question

[Samuel Thibault]

Willem van der Walt, le Fri 19 Jun 2009 09:27:13 +0200, a écrit :
> I do not really like the idea of $LANG,  because I often flip between 
> Afrikaans and English and do not always want to change $LANG.

There can still be a way to override LANG, I only meant to use LANG as
the default.

Samuel