Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Robert Spangler]

Hello,

OK, I got it compiled in and it actually speaks when I boot it!  However, my
keyboard will not respond.  When I boot, I usually press the enter key on
the keypad at the "lite talk found"  message so that I don't have to hear
the other stuff.  Nothing responds - not even ctrl+alt+del.  I compiled in
both the LTLK driver and the user space software speech driver.  I tried
with both the Gentoo kernel and the vanilla 2.6.24.4 kernel.
Also, what is the dummy, dummy synth driver?

Robby 

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Rob: That's pretty strange for sure.  Have you compiled kernels
before?  Once it gets to the login prompt does the keyboard work
correctly?  It almost sounds like you have the wrong keyboard compiled
in that's why I am asking the first two questions.



Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Robert Spangler]

Oh yeah, I compile kernels all the time.  What I did for this one was copied 
my .config from 2.6.23 to 2.6.24.4, did a make menuconfig, and made sure 
that the Speakup options were configured properly.  May this have been too 
large of an upgrade just to copy my old .config over?  Should I start clean?

Robby
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Subject: Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working


> Hi Rob: That's pretty strange for sure.  Have you compiled kernels
> before?  Once it gets to the login prompt does the keyboard work
> correctly?  It almost sounds like you have the wrong keyboard compiled
> in that's why I am asking the first two questions.
>
>
>
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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Kirk Reiser]

That's interesting.  I always run make oldconfig after copying my old
.config into place so don't know what would happen if you just ran
make menuconfig after copying.  It should work and just take the
default configuration options for new options.  I don't remember any
keyboard related changes other than the fact that notifier code was
included in the 2.6.24 tree.  I have not seen any keyboard not working
situations though so I'd recommend you check your install.log to see
if everything patched okay.

The speakupconf script will need to be modified to work with the new
sysfs changes so if somebody wants to modify it and send me the new
script I'll replace the one on the site with the new one.



Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Robert Spangler]

You mean the install.log from the Speakup install script?  Also, are there 
still problems with building two synths into the kernel?  Because I did 
build in the ltlk and the software synth.  I think the docs mentioned that 
this was fixed.

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Subject: Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working


> That's interesting.  I always run make oldconfig after copying my old
> .config into place so don't know what would happen if you just ran
> make menuconfig after copying.  It should work and just take the
> default configuration options for new options.  I don't remember any
> keyboard related changes other than the fact that notifier code was
> included in the 2.6.24 tree.  I have not seen any keyboard not working
> situations though so I'd recommend you check your install.log to see
> if everything patched okay.
>
> The speakupconf script will need to be modified to work with the new
> sysfs changes so if somebody wants to modify it and send me the new
> script I'll replace the one on the site with the new one.
>
>
>
> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

      I build all the synths including dummy into the kernel with the 
exception of the big dectalk ISA thingy, which is compiled as a module. 
Seems to work fine.  I can even 
switch them on the fly.

           HTH.
-- 
Bill in Denver

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Robert Spangler wrote:

> You mean the install.log from the Speakup install script?  Also, are there
> still problems with building two synths into the kernel?  Because I did
> build in the ltlk and the software synth.  I think the docs mentioned that
> this was fixed.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working
>
>
>> That's interesting.  I always run make oldconfig after copying my old
>> .config into place so don't know what would happen if you just ran
>> make menuconfig after copying.  It should work and just take the
>> default configuration options for new options.  I don't remember any
>> keyboard related changes other than the fact that notifier code was
>> included in the 2.6.24 tree.  I have not seen any keyboard not working
>> situations though so I'd recommend you check your install.log to see
>> if everything patched okay.
>>
>> The speakupconf script will need to be modified to work with the new
>> sysfs changes so if somebody wants to modify it and send me the new
>> script I'll replace the one on the site with the new one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
>> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
>> phone: (519) 661-3061
>>
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Samuel Thibault]

Hello,

Robert Spangler, le Sun 13 Apr 2008 22:19:18 -0400, a écrit :
> Also, what is the dummy, dummy synth driver?

See the help:

This is a dummy Speakup driver for plugging a mere serial
terminal.  This is handy if you want to test speakup but
don't have the hardware.

Samuel

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:49:07PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> This is a dummy Speakup driver for plugging a mere serial
> terminal.  This is handy if you want to test speakup but
> don't have the hardware.
:End-Quote:

	Kewl.  Is there a way to change synths on the fly, and can the 
output from the dummy synth be redirected to, say, speech dispatcher?  
I'm still having the occasional crash from buffer overflows (I think) 
with my Lite-Talk synth.  It happens when listing excessively long 
files or directories.    The synthesizer keeps talking until it's 
finished, and speakup, if 	it's still working, seems to be unable 
to reconnect to the 	synthesizer.  It may be my UART.  I dunno, but 
I was thinking it would be nice to switch synthesizers on the fly if the 
need 	arose...

				Michael

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Samuel Thibault]

Gaijin, le Mon 14 Apr 2008 12:08:10 -0700, a écrit :
> and can the 
> output from the dummy synth be redirected to, say, speech dispatcher?  

You are rather looking for the the soft driver and the speechd-up
program.

Samuel

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:53:57PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> You are rather looking for the the soft driver and the speechd-up
> program.

	Actually, I'm looking to use the Lite-Talk to boot up, and then
	switch over to the software synth when rc.local is run. in the
hope of three things:

1. Being able to hear bootup messages.
2. Stop synth crashes from requiring a reboot.
3. Take SpeakUP on/offline when switching to Orca.

	I dunno about #3, as I tend to use both CLI and GUI
simultaneously, and trying to use the keypad in the GUI causes both
SpeakUP and Orca to start talking.  If there's a work-around for it
already, I haven't read about it as yet, as it usually takes 15 to 30
minutes to read and navigate some wiki site with links2 and Speakup to
find docs that should be in the binary package.

			Michael

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Samuel Thibault]

Gaijin, le Mon 14 Apr 2008 16:08:14 -0700, a écrit :
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:53:57PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > You are rather looking for the the soft driver and the speechd-up
> > program.
> 
> 	Actually, I'm looking to use the Lite-Talk to boot up, and then
> 	switch over to the software synth when rc.local is run.

Then use both the lite-talk and the soft driver, yes, and hot-switch to
the soft driver from rc.local.

Samuel

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Gaijin]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:16:55AM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Then use both the lite-talk and the soft driver, yes, and hot-switch to
> the soft driver from rc.local.
:End-Quote:

	Thank you.  It'll probably have to wait until I compile a newer
kernel.  I just managed to find the correct git package to	apt-get
and tried using it to get the latest SpeakUP, which didn't work because
I hadn't downloaded the latest kernel source yet.  Now I think I'll
start all over again and make sure I have a symbolic link pointing to
the correct directory. <grins>  Once I get that accomplished, I have to
reaquaint myself with Debian's  tweaks on kernel compilation methods and
try to install it without destroying what already works.  Slowly but
surely I'm getting there, and hope to have something newer than Shane's
2.6.18 Etch kernel.  Debian Lenny isn't up to SpeakUP snuff as yet,
really hate compiling the CIA's SE-Linux kernel, and I haven't even
figured out how to access my thumb-drives or get samba working so I can
share files from Windows.  I'm hoping Lenny is released with a SpeakUP
kernel when it finally goes stable, because I'm still nowhere near
playing on the bleeding edge like they're doing in the Orca group.
Breaking SpeakUP will probably mean having to do yet another full
reinstall from Etch.

			Michael
			:wq

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 04:08:14PM -0700, Gaijin wrote:
> 3. Take SpeakUP on/offline when switching to Orca.
> 
> 	I dunno about #3, as I tend to use both CLI and GUI
> simultaneously, and trying to use the keypad in the GUI causes both
> SpeakUP and Orca to start talking.  If there's a work-around for it
> already, I haven't read about it as yet, as it usually takes 15 to 30
> minutes to read and navigate some wiki site with links2 and Speakup to
> find docs that should be in the binary package.

My use of gnome/orca has been very preliminary, but if you kill speakup
with the print screen key in tty7, you should have orca speaking by
itself without problems. As for the cli, orca does well enough in xterm
windows as far as I could tell, so you shouldn't need speakup. Of course, you still have
consoles 1-6 in which you can use speakup at the command-line. Hth.

Greg


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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Kirk Reiser]

I will also point out two things: First speakup will autodetect
graphics mode now thus not needing to be turned off for Orca use.
Second if you really want documentation you should read the git log
which comes with every, count them, every speakup.git repository.  All
changes to speakup are documented there, although occasionally not
very verbosely.



Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Gaijin]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 05:35:37PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> My use of gnome/orca has been very preliminary, but if you kill speakup
> with the print screen key in tty7, you should have orca speaking by
> itself without problems.
:End-Quote:

	I do that, and usually have to delete a screenshot, and the keys
	still speak...some of them, anyway, and Debian Lenny must have
an old version of Orca running, because I don't get much from the
keypad.  I mostly just use the GUI to play music playlists at the
moment.  Right now Lenny's removing Open Office again to fix something,
sothere's not much reason to count on things holding together until
Debian gets all the latest bugs ironed out. <shrugs>  Beats the hell out
of Windows, though, which is only good for running Firefox and the NVDA
screen reader.

			Michael

RE: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Georgina]

However, my keyboard will not respond.  When I boot, I usually press the
enter key on the keypad at the "lite talk found"  message so that I don't
have to hear the other stuff.  Nothing responds - not even ctrl+alt+del.  

I've had this with a 2.6.24.4 kernel.  I built a kernel using the make all
modules option.  That's exactly what it done but didn't load the keyboard
driver at boot time.  Luckily, I had a USB keyboard and when I plugged it
into the machine after booting, it was initialised.

HTH

Gena

RE: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Gena: As I mentioned to Robby check your install.log in your
speakup directory and see if everything patched correctly.  If this is
two occurrences of this situation we need more info because so far we
haven't seen anything like this.



Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Robert Spangler]

Everything patched correctly.  I will try the USB keyboard but right now I 
am using an old PS/2 keyboard.

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Subject: RE: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working


> Hi Gena: As I mentioned to Robby check your install.log in your
> speakup directory and see if everything patched correctly.  If this is
> two occurrences of this situation we need more info because so far we
> haven't seen anything like this.
>
>
>
> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Kirk Reiser]

Does your keyboard work if you don't have speakup installed.  You can
check this by logging in upon boot and then hitting a control-g to get
the system to beep.  That is unless you don't have a speaker
installed.  You should be able to do that without speech.  You could
also compile speakup as modules as a test and try loading it from the
command line after logging in and running the beep test.  I just want
to establish whether you are having a speakup problem or not.  If it
patched correctly I can't think why it would be behaving like this.



Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 speechd up question

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi,
I got the latest speakup built and running with software speech.
Which speechd_up/speechd-up is the correct one to use for software speech 
with the latest speakup?
Where can I download it?
TIA, Willem



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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 speechd up question

[Samuel Thibault]

Willem van der Walt, le Tue 15 Apr 2008 15:07:34 +0200, a écrit :
> I got the latest speakup built and running with software speech.
> Which speechd_up/speechd-up is the correct one to use for software speech 
> with the latest speakup?

Yep

> Where can I download it?

Google speechd-up -> www.freebsoft.org/speechd-up


Samuel

Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 speechd up question

[Willem van der Walt]

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Thanks.


On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Samuel Thibault wrote:

> Willem van der Walt, le Tue 15 Apr 2008 15:07:34 +0200, a écrit :
> > I got the latest speakup built and running with software speech.
> > Which speechd_up/speechd-up is the correct one to use for software speech 
> > with the latest speakup?
> 
> Yep
> 
> > Where can I download it?
> 
> Google speechd-up -> www.freebsoft.org/speechd-up
> 
> 
> Samuel
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Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Robert Spangler]

Kirk,

I recompiled the kernel including Speakup as modules.  I am able to log in 
and do modprobe speakup_ltlk start=1
I have both the softsynth and ltlk compiled as modules.  I can try compiling 
one (ltlk) into the kernel and the softsynth as a module and see if that 
fixes anything.  Could it be that compiling them both into the kernel could 
be causing an issue?  Guess it's worth experimenting.  So, yes, I am able to 
get speech by loading it as a module but I wish to hear start-up 
messages--that is the beauty of Speakup!!

Robby
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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working


> Does your keyboard work if you don't have speakup installed.  You can
> check this by logging in upon boot and then hitting a control-g to get
> the system to beep.  That is unless you don't have a speaker
> installed.  You should be able to do that without speech.  You could
> also compile speakup as modules as a test and try loading it from the
> command line after logging in and running the beep test.  I just want
> to establish whether you are having a speakup problem or not.  If it
> patched correctly I can't think why it would be behaving like this.
>
>
>
> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

RE: Speakup and Linux 2.6.24 - Almost Got It Working

[Georgina]

Hi Gena: As I mentioned to Robby check your install.log in your speakup
directory and see if everything patched correctly.  If this is two
occurrences of this situation we need more info because so far we haven't
seen anything like this.

Hi Kirk

Well I've been using the kernel after rebuilding the kernel after hard
wiring the ps2 support into the kernel.  I only mentioned it because it
might help the fellow and to clear speakup's name.

It's not speakup's problem.  I thought I made it perfectly clear, it's
because it didn't load the ps2 module at boot up.

Gena
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