pine and sendmail problems

pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

hi all,
my isp changed there mail system,
now i have to add my domain to my user name
from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
well for  example i log in as rturner2
now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
add on my domain name,
i just created a new user and that worked fine,
my isp wants my login for email to look like this
rturner@texasisp.com
because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
with the domain added on to my user name,
i don't know how to fix this problem.
any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
thanks in advance
randy

Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Toby Fisher]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:16 PM
Subject: pine and sendmail problems


> hi all,
> my isp changed there mail system,
> now i have to add my domain to my user name
> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
> well for  example i log in as rturner2
> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
> add on my domain name,
> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
> rturner@texasisp.com
> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
> with the domain added on to my user name,
> i don't know how to fix this problem.
> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?

I'd suggest the best way is to use the domain setting in Pine.  From the 
main menu, hit s, then c, and the domain is the 2nd option, just below the 
"personal name" option.

hth

Toby

Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

i checked that and it is ok,
my domain is texasisp.com
my smtp is mail.texasisp.com
my question is if my mail server
is asking for a login where is pine and sendmail
getting a login for my mail server?

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Toby Fisher wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:16 PM
> Subject: pine and sendmail problems
>
>
>> hi all,
>> my isp changed there mail system,
>> now i have to add my domain to my user name
>> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
>> well for  example i log in as rturner2
>> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
>> add on my domain name,
>> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
>> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
>> rturner@texasisp.com
>> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
>> with the domain added on to my user name,
>> i don't know how to fix this problem.
>> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
>
> I'd suggest the best way is to use the domain setting in Pine.  From the main 
> menu, hit s, then c, and the domain is the 2nd option, just below the 
> "personal name" option.
>
> hth
>
> Toby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

hi toby,
where does pine or sendmail get the log in user name
for the mail box?
for example my isp wants my user name to look like this
rturner2@texasisp.com
before they changed there box to include the domain i was fine
randy


On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Toby Fisher wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:16 PM
> Subject: pine and sendmail problems
>
>
>> hi all,
>> my isp changed there mail system,
>> now i have to add my domain to my user name
>> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
>> well for  example i log in as rturner2
>> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
>> add on my domain name,
>> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
>> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
>> rturner@texasisp.com
>> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
>> with the domain added on to my user name,
>> i don't know how to fix this problem.
>> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
>
> I'd suggest the best way is to use the domain setting in Pine.  From the main 
> menu, hit s, then c, and the domain is the 2nd option, just below the 
> "personal name" option.
>
> hth
>
> Toby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

hey toby,
see if this helps,
i have to trick the system,
i have to take the smtp out of pine
then send something
then put the send mail back in and it works.
only for a while though.


On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Toby Fisher wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:16 PM
> Subject: pine and sendmail problems
>
>
>> hi all,
>> my isp changed there mail system,
>> now i have to add my domain to my user name
>> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
>> well for  example i log in as rturner2
>> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
>> add on my domain name,
>> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
>> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
>> rturner@texasisp.com
>> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
>> with the domain added on to my user name,
>> i don't know how to fix this problem.
>> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
>
> I'd suggest the best way is to use the domain setting in Pine.  From the main 
> menu, hit s, then c, and the domain is the 2nd option, just below the 
> "personal name" option.
>
> hth
>
> Toby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Toby Fisher]

Ok, so as I understand it, you need to log in to send email, not just 
receive?

In this case, I'm not sure I can be of much help, except to suggest that, in 
the short term until you've done some reading around the Pine docs, it might 
be faster to quickly set up a mail server on the local machine, since it 
should be possible to set that up to do your smtp log-in.  If you do this, 
you need to set the Pine smtp server option either to localhost or the empty 
string.

Hth

Toby

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
To: "Toby Fisher" <toby@tjfisher.co.uk>
Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: pine and sendmail problems


>
> i checked that and it is ok,
> my domain is texasisp.com
> my smtp is mail.texasisp.com
> my question is if my mail server
> is asking for a login where is pine and sendmail
> getting a login for my mail server?
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Toby Fisher wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:16 PM
>> Subject: pine and sendmail problems
>>
>>
>>> hi all,
>>> my isp changed there mail system,
>>> now i have to add my domain to my user name
>>> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
>>> well for  example i log in as rturner2
>>> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
>>> add on my domain name,
>>> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
>>> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
>>> rturner@texasisp.com
>>> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
>>> with the domain added on to my user name,
>>> i don't know how to fix this problem.
>>> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
>>
>> I'd suggest the best way is to use the domain setting in Pine.  From the 
>> main menu, hit s, then c, and the domain is the 2nd option, just below 
>> the "personal name" option.
>>
>> hth
>>
>> Toby
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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If his ISP blocks or filters out-bound tcp port 25, then that won't
help him.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 05:01:28AM -0000, Toby Fisher wrote:
> Ok, so as I understand it, you need to log in to send email, not just 
> receive?
> 
> In this case, I'm not sure I can be of much help, except to suggest that, 
> in the short term until you've done some reading around the Pine docs, it 
> might be faster to quickly set up a mail server on the local machine, since 
> it should be possible to set that up to do your smtp log-in.  If you do 
> this, you need to set the Pine smtp server option either to localhost or 
> the empty string.
> 
> Hth
> 

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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Janina Sajka]

And, you may need to set your equivalent of my:

define(`SMART_HOST',`cantata.rednote.net:587')
MASQUERADE_AS(`rednote.net')dnl

To keep lists like this one happy.

If you do make such changes in sendmail.mc, be sure to make them. In my
case, it's:

make -C /etc/mail

and then restart sendmail.

Now, the 587 port requires other things, like TLS. So, there can be more
to it. I don't know whether one would TLS over port 25, but that's more
about your ISP, I suppose.



Toby Fisher writes:
> Ok, so as I understand it, you need to log in to send email, not just 
> receive?
> 
> In this case, I'm not sure I can be of much help, except to suggest that, 
> in the short term until you've done some reading around the Pine docs, it 
> might be faster to quickly set up a mail server on the local machine, since 
> it should be possible to set that up to do your smtp log-in.  If you do 
> this, you need to set the Pine smtp server option either to localhost or 
> the empty string.
> 
> Hth
> 
> Toby
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> To: "Toby Fisher" <toby@tjfisher.co.uk>
> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: pine and sendmail problems
> 
> 
> >
> >i checked that and it is ok,
> >my domain is texasisp.com
> >my smtp is mail.texasisp.com
> >my question is if my mail server
> >is asking for a login where is pine and sendmail
> >getting a login for my mail server?
> >
> >On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Toby Fisher wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
> >>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:16 PM
> >>Subject: pine and sendmail problems
> >>
> >>
> >>>hi all,
> >>>my isp changed there mail system,
> >>>now i have to add my domain to my user name
> >>>from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
> >>>well for  example i log in as rturner2
> >>>now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
> >>>add on my domain name,
> >>>i just created a new user and that worked fine,
> >>>my isp wants my login for email to look like this
> >>>rturner@texasisp.com
> >>>because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
> >>>with the domain added on to my user name,
> >>>i don't know how to fix this problem.
> >>>any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
> >>
> >>I'd suggest the best way is to use the domain setting in Pine.  From the 
> >>main menu, hit s, then c, and the domain is the 2nd option, just below 
> >>the "personal name" option.
> >>
> >>hth
> >>
> >>Toby
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >>
> >
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> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Janina Sajka]

A nmap -P0 on the ISP's address would tell us quickly what mail ports
are listening.

Gregory Nowak writes:
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> If his ISP blocks or filters out-bound tcp port 25, then that won't
> help him.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 05:01:28AM -0000, Toby Fisher wrote:
> > Ok, so as I understand it, you need to log in to send email, not just 
> > receive?
> > 
> > In this case, I'm not sure I can be of much help, except to suggest that, 
> > in the short term until you've done some reading around the Pine docs, it 
> > might be faster to quickly set up a mail server on the local machine, since 
> > it should be possible to set that up to do your smtp log-in.  If you do 
> > this, you need to set the Pine smtp server option either to localhost or 
> > the empty string.
> > 
> > Hth
> > 
> 
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Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

thanks for the info,
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> And, you may need to set your equivalent of my:
>
> define(`SMART_HOST',`cantata.rednote.net:587')
> MASQUERADE_AS(`rednote.net')dnl
>
> To keep lists like this one happy.
>
> If you do make such changes in sendmail.mc, be sure to make them. In my
> case, it's:
>
> make -C /etc/mail
>
> and then restart sendmail.
>
> Now, the 587 port requires other things, like TLS. So, there can be more
> to it. I don't know whether one would TLS over port 25, but that's more
> about your ISP, I suppose.
>
>
>
> Toby Fisher writes:
>> Ok, so as I understand it, you need to log in to send email, not just
>> receive?
>>
>> In this case, I'm not sure I can be of much help, except to suggest that,
>> in the short term until you've done some reading around the Pine docs, it
>> might be faster to quickly set up a mail server on the local machine, since
>> it should be possible to set that up to do your smtp log-in.  If you do
>> this, you need to set the Pine smtp server option either to localhost or
>> the empty string.
>>
>> Hth
>>
>> Toby
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
>> To: "Toby Fisher" <toby@tjfisher.co.uk>
>> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: pine and sendmail problems
>>
>>
>>>
>>> i checked that and it is ok,
>>> my domain is texasisp.com
>>> my smtp is mail.texasisp.com
>>> my question is if my mail server
>>> is asking for a login where is pine and sendmail
>>> getting a login for my mail server?
>>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Toby Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy turner" <rturner2@texasisp.com>
>>>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 7:16 PM
>>>> Subject: pine and sendmail problems
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi all,
>>>>> my isp changed there mail system,
>>>>> now i have to add my domain to my user name
>>>>> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
>>>>> well for  example i log in as rturner2
>>>>> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
>>>>> add on my domain name,
>>>>> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
>>>>> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
>>>>> rturner@texasisp.com
>>>>> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
>>>>> with the domain added on to my user name,
>>>>> i don't know how to fix this problem.
>>>>> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest the best way is to use the domain setting in Pine.  From the
>>>> main menu, hit s, then c, and the domain is the 2nd option, just below
>>>> the "personal name" option.
>>>>
>>>> hth
>>>>
>>>> Toby
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com
>
> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup		Free Standards Group (FSG)
> janina@freestandards.org		http://a11y.org
>
> If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.
>
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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Actually, we don't at all care what mail ports on the ISP's address
are listening. What we do care about is if he can send mail to other
servers besides his ISP on port 25. You can determine that for example
as follows:

telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25

If speech.braille.uwo.ca responds, then he doesn't need to use his
ISP. If speech.braille.uwo.ca doesn't respond, then he's limited to
using his ISP to send mail, unless he can find someone else to relay
through. Even if he can send mail by himself, he still may not be able
to send it to every server if he's on a dynamic IP, as someone else
has already pointed out.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:02:55AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> A nmap -P0 on the ISP's address would tell us quickly what mail ports
> are listening.
> 

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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Janina Sajka]

And, he may not want to if he doesn't have his own domain name.

Gregory Nowak writes:
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> 
> Actually, we don't at all care what mail ports on the ISP's address
> are listening. What we do care about is if he can send mail to other
> servers besides his ISP on port 25. You can determine that for example
> as follows:
> 
> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
> 
> If speech.braille.uwo.ca responds, then he doesn't need to use his
> ISP. If speech.braille.uwo.ca doesn't respond, then he's limited to
> using his ISP to send mail, unless he can find someone else to relay
> through. Even if he can send mail by himself, he still may not be able
> to send it to every server if he's on a dynamic IP, as someone else
> has already pointed out.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:02:55AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > A nmap -P0 on the ISP's address would tell us quickly what mail ports
> > are listening.
> > 
> 
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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I don't see what sending mail from his own machine has to do with
having his own domain name or not. When I used to be on dial-up,
before I had my own domain name, I used to send my mail on my own all
the time, using my ISP's smtp server to do so only if the mail
exchanger to which I was sending wouldn't accept mail from me because
I had a dynamic IP.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:57:01PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> And, he may not want to if he doesn't have his own domain name.
> 

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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Having your own domain name is not incompatible with having a dynamic IP
address. I have both. I use www.dyndns.org to manage the mx records that
connect my own domain name to my dynamic IP address. The way it works is
that if you do a name lookup on hhs48.com you find my dynamic IP
address, but if you do a reverse lookup on the IP address, you get my
ISP information. It's a kind of hybrid.  But it allows me to advertise
my domain name for email purposes and for my web site, but it still
appears to recipients of my email as a dynamic IP address. For that
reason I continue to pass of my outgoing mail to my ISP instead of
sending it direct, although my incoming mail comes to me direct instead
of through my ISP.


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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>
> I don't see what sending mail from his own machine has to do with
> having his own domain name or not. When I used to be on dial-up,
> before I had my own domain name, I used to send my mail on my own all
> the time, using my ISP's smtp server to do so only if the mail
> exchanger to which I was sending wouldn't accept mail from me because
> I had a dynamic IP.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:57:01PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> And, he may not want to if he doesn't have his own domain name.
>>
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Janina Sajka]

Gregory Nowak writes:
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> I don't see what sending mail from his own machine has to do with
> having his own domain name or not.

Well, the world keeps turning, and things that used to be soon are no
more.

Increasingly, locations are declining to accept mail from domains they
cannot resolve. It's one, fairly commonly used anti-spam strategy.

So, not having your own domain certainly doesn't prevent you from
sending mail, but it may prevent your mail from getting through. In
fact, it's quite likely that some of it won't go through.

Therefore, it becomes a policy concern, not a technological question.
Can you? Yes. Should you? Maybe not.


> When I used to be on dial-up,
> before I had my own domain name, I used to send my mail on my own all
> the time, using my ISP's smtp server to do so only if the mail
> exchanger to which I was sending wouldn't accept mail from me because
> I had a dynamic IP.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 01:57:01PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > And, he may not want to if he doesn't have his own domain name.
> > 
> 
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

i just tried that example,
telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
network is unreachable, is what i get.
tried it 2 times.


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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> Actually, we don't at all care what mail ports on the ISP's address
> are listening. What we do care about is if he can send mail to other
> servers besides his ISP on port 25. You can determine that for example
> as follows:
>
> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
>
> If speech.braille.uwo.ca responds, then he doesn't need to use his
> ISP. If speech.braille.uwo.ca doesn't respond, then he's limited to
> using his ISP to send mail, unless he can find someone else to relay
> through. Even if he can send mail by himself, he still may not be able
> to send it to every server if he's on a dynamic IP, as someone else
> has already pointed out.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:02:55AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
>> A nmap -P0 on the ISP's address would tell us quickly what mail ports
>> are listening.
>>
>
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

I just tried it from here and it worked for me.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:

> i just tried that example,
> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
> network is unreachable, is what i get.
> tried it 2 times.
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> 
>> Actually, we don't at all care what mail ports on the ISP's address
>> are listening. What we do care about is if he can send mail to other
>> servers besides his ISP on port 25. You can determine that for example
>> as follows:
>> 
>> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
>> 
>> If speech.braille.uwo.ca responds, then he doesn't need to use his
>> ISP. If speech.braille.uwo.ca doesn't respond, then he's limited to
>> using his ISP to send mail, unless he can find someone else to relay
>> through. Even if he can send mail by himself, he still may not be able
>> to send it to every server if he's on a dynamic IP, as someone else
>> has already pointed out.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:02:55AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
>>> A nmap -P0 on the ISP's address would tell us quickly what mail ports
>>> are listening.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

now that i remember,
i read where i could get a domain from my isp,
but i am not on dsl or cable only dial up,
at this point what i am on is doing ok for now.
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> And, he may not want to if he doesn't have his own domain name.
>
> Gregory Nowak writes:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Actually, we don't at all care what mail ports on the ISP's address
>> are listening. What we do care about is if he can send mail to other
>> servers besides his ISP on port 25. You can determine that for example
>> as follows:
>>
>> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
>>
>> If speech.braille.uwo.ca responds, then he doesn't need to use his
>> ISP. If speech.braille.uwo.ca doesn't respond, then he's limited to
>> using his ISP to send mail, unless he can find someone else to relay
>> through. Even if he can send mail by himself, he still may not be able
>> to send it to every server if he's on a dynamic IP, as someone else
>> has already pointed out.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 10:02:55AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
>>> A nmap -P0 on the ISP's address would tell us quickly what mail ports
>>> are listening.
>>>
>>
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>
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Janina Sajka]

So, are they blocking your outbound? Why don't you try mine:

telnet rednote.net 25

Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
> I just tried it from here and it worked for me.
> 
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
> 
> >i just tried that example,
> >telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
> >network is unreachable, is what i get.
> >tried it 2 times.
> >

Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

telnet rednote.net 25
network is unreachable.
sounds like they are making it where i can only go through them.
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> So, are they blocking your outbound? Why don't you try mine:
>
> telnet rednote.net 25
>
> Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
>> I just tried it from here and it worked for me.
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
>>
>>> i just tried that example,
>>> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
>>> network is unreachable, is what i get.
>>> tried it 2 times.
>>>
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

That works too. No problem


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Janina Sajka wrote:

> So, are they blocking your outbound? Why don't you try mine:
>
> telnet rednote.net 25
>
> Chuck Hallenbeck writes:
>> I just tried it from here and it worked for me.
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, randy turner wrote:
>>
>>> i just tried that example,
>>> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
>>> network is unreachable, is what i get.
>>> tried it 2 times.
>>>
>
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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Gregory Nowak]

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It looks like their blocking/filtering your out-bound port 25, which
is unfortunately becoming more and more common with U.S. ISPS. Your
only options are to send mail through your ISP, relay your mail
through someone else via tcp port 587 (which shouldn't be blocked), or
switch ISPS, which I would personally consider to be a rather extreem
move.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:00:29PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> i just tried that example,
> telnet speech.braille.uwo.ca 25
> network is unreachable, is what i get.
> tried it 2 times.
> 
> 

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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[Ralph W. Reid]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:16:17PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
> hi all,
> my isp changed there mail system,
> now i have to add my domain to my user name
> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
> well for  example i log in as rturner2
> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
> add on my domain name,
> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
> rturner@texasisp.com
> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
> with the domain added on to my user name,
> i don't know how to fix this problem.
> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
> thanks in advance
> randy

An entry in the `submit.cf' file for sendmail fixes this problem on my
system.  Here on Slackware, the file is at `/etc/mail/submit.cf'.  The
line to be searched for should be at about line 59, and should include
the text 'my official domain name'.  A couple of lines below this
line, enter a line which starts with 'Dj' (note the capitalization)
followed by your domain.  The important line entered in my submit.cf
file includes the domain of my ISP (sunset.net), and appears as
follows:

Djsunset.net

HTH, and have a _great_ day!

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Re: pine and sendmail problems

[randy turner]

tried it,
it only works when i put the mail server after the ds
and only after i recieve mail.
thanks
randy


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Ralph W. Reid wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 01:16:17PM -0600, randy turner wrote:
>> hi all,
>> my isp changed there mail system,
>> now i have to add my domain to my user name
>> from what i am reading pine uses the user name from the system,
>> well for  example i log in as rturner2
>> now that worked fine when my isp did not require me to
>> add on my domain name,
>> i just created a new user and that worked fine,
>> my isp wants my login for email to look like this
>> rturner@texasisp.com
>> because pine uses the $user and i can't create a new user
>> with the domain added on to my user name,
>> i don't know how to fix this problem.
>> any ideas on how i need to configure pine or sendmail to accept this?
>> thanks in advance
>> randy
>
> An entry in the `submit.cf' file for sendmail fixes this problem on my
> system.  Here on Slackware, the file is at `/etc/mail/submit.cf'.  The
> line to be searched for should be at about line 59, and should include
> the text 'my official domain name'.  A couple of lines below this
> line, enter a line which starts with 'Dj' (note the capitalization)
> followed by your domain.  The important line entered in my submit.cf
> file includes the domain of my ISP (sunset.net), and appears as
> follows:
>
> Djsunset.net
>
> HTH, and have a _great_ day!
>
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> rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
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