Sendmail Wpon't work

Sendmail Wpon't work

[Rejean Proulx]

When I do sendmail xxx@yyy.ca I can compose the note but when I do a
control-z to send it I get the message 1 stopped job sendmail

Some background.  I decided to try the Courier mail system.  At first it
seemed good but as I read, I became less taken with it.  It has a nice
configuration web interface, but I don't care for its mailing list manager.
I couldn't get outlook express to sign on to its pop server.  I began to
realize that I was having more success with exim.  The problem of sendmail
not working started after I moved to Courier.  Now that I removed all of
Courier and installed exim, the problem is still hear.  I'm not testing
anything else until I get to the bottom of this.  I don't know how to
investigate a process that gets stopped.  Where do I look for the error?
This is probably simple, but not to me.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

Re: Sendmail Wpon't work

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Rejean Proulx wrote:

> When I do sendmail xxx@yyy.ca I can compose the note but when I do a
> control-z to send it I get the message 1 stopped job sendmail

Ok, this is because ctrl-z is used to suspend a job that's running in the 
foreground, you can use fg to restart it.

Sendmail isn't really dsigned to be used in the way specified above.  it 
is designed to process mail coming from either other systems, or a mail 
user agent, a mail client, on your own machine, such as Pine, Elm, Mail 
etc.
The way you invoked Sendmail, the message will have no subject whatsoever.

If you really want to use Sendmail like that though and that is how you 
intended to use it, then a period (.) on a new line by itself will 
terminate the message and return you to your shell prompt.

> Some background.  I decided to try the Courier mail system.  At first it
> seemed good but as I read, I became less taken with it.  It has a nice
> configuration web interface, but I don't care for its mailing list manager.
> I couldn't get outlook express to sign on to its pop server.  I began to
> realize that I was having more success with exim.  The problem of sendmail
> not working started after I moved to Courier.  Now that I removed all of
> Courier and installed exim, the problem is still hear.  I'm not testing
> anything else until I get to the bottom of this.  I don't know how to
> investigate a process that gets stopped.  Where do I look for the error?
> This is probably simple, but not to me.

Ok, first, Exim does not have a pop server, so I'm not really sure where 
you're trying to go with that.
Second, as mentionned above, this message you're getting about the stopped 
Sendmail is not an error, you are just using incorrect syntax.

HTH

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Re: Sendmail Wpon't work

[Rejean Proulx]

Thanks for the answers.  Now I feel silly as I thought I would, but that is
the cost of being new at something.  Too answer your pop question.  Exim
doesn't have a pop server, but Debian has packages.  I have outlook express
almost talking to it.  It can ask for mail.  It can't send yet because I
need to create a password file.  I'm almost there, I hope.  In the case of
courier, I tried all its pop options and got nowhere.  At least with exim,
when I read the manual I understand enough of it to be able to make
progress.
Actually, last weekend I had Outlook express talking to exim using an IMAP
server.  I don't like IMAP because it is badly implemented in Outlook
Express.  The server wants to control which folders you have on your machine
and you seem to have to keep the machine in sync with the mail server.  That
is ok if you have 2 or 3 machines that you want in sync, but I only have
one, so IMAP was a frustrating over kill.

Basically, you tell me that I wasted my after noon because I didn't know.
Unfortunately, it won't be the last time I'm sure.  That is the cost of
learning.  Thanks for the help.  By the way, I tried the period and I can
now send mail.  I just want to do this for testing purposes, never to send
real mail, unless of course you write a script to send a message based on
its success or something.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Toby Fisher" <toby@tjfisher.co.uk>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: Sendmail Wpon't work


> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Rejean Proulx wrote:
>
> > When I do sendmail xxx@yyy.ca I can compose the note but when I do a
> > control-z to send it I get the message 1 stopped job sendmail
>
> Ok, this is because ctrl-z is used to suspend a job that's running in the
> foreground, you can use fg to restart it.
>
> Sendmail isn't really dsigned to be used in the way specified above.  it
> is designed to process mail coming from either other systems, or a mail
> user agent, a mail client, on your own machine, such as Pine, Elm, Mail
> etc.
> The way you invoked Sendmail, the message will have no subject whatsoever.
>
> If you really want to use Sendmail like that though and that is how you
> intended to use it, then a period (.) on a new line by itself will
> terminate the message and return you to your shell prompt.
>
> > Some background.  I decided to try the Courier mail system.  At first it
> > seemed good but as I read, I became less taken with it.  It has a nice
> > configuration web interface, but I don't care for its mailing list
manager.
> > I couldn't get outlook express to sign on to its pop server.  I began to
> > realize that I was having more success with exim.  The problem of
sendmail
> > not working started after I moved to Courier.  Now that I removed all of
> > Courier and installed exim, the problem is still hear.  I'm not testing
> > anything else until I get to the bottom of this.  I don't know how to
> > investigate a process that gets stopped.  Where do I look for the error?
> > This is probably simple, but not to me.
>
> Ok, first, Exim does not have a pop server, so I'm not really sure where
> you're trying to go with that.
> Second, as mentionned above, this message you're getting about the stopped
> Sendmail is not an error, you are just using incorrect syntax.
>
> HTH
>
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> Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
> ICQ: #61744808
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Re: Sendmail Wpon't work

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Rejean Proulx wrote:

> Thanks for the answers.  Now I feel silly as I thought I would, but that is
> the cost of being new at something.  Too answer your pop question.  Exim
> doesn't have a pop server, but Debian has packages.  I have outlook express
> almost talking to it.  It can ask for mail.  It can't send yet because I
> need to create a password file.  I'm almost there, I hope.  In the case of
> courier, I tried all its pop options and got nowhere.  At least with exim,
> when I read the manual I understand enough of it to be able to make
> progress.

Yeah, that's why I chose Exim in the first place, some years ago, because 
of the nice manual, even if it is quite long.(gron)

> Actually, last weekend I had Outlook express talking to exim using an IMAP
> server.  I don't like IMAP because it is badly implemented in Outlook
> Express.  The server wants to control which folders you have on your machine
> and you seem to have to keep the machine in sync with the mail server.  That
> is ok if you have 2 or 3 machines that you want in sync, but I only have
> one, so IMAP was a frustrating over kill.

Yeah, that's what imap is, and in fact, is one of its strengths if that's 
what you need, but yes, for one user in one location it probably is 
overkill I agree.

> Basically, you tell me that I wasted my after noon because I didn't know.
> Unfortunately, it won't be the last time I'm sure.  That is the cost of
> learning.  Thanks for the help.  By the way, I tried the period and I can
> now send mail.  I just want to do this for testing purposes, never to send
> real mail, unless of course you write a script to send a message based on
> its success or something.

Rather than send mail like this, I'd recommend looking at the chapter in 
the Exim documentation entitled:
"Testing Exim"

This enables you to give Exim command-line options which will enable you 
to test things like filtering,  relaying rules etc without actually 
sending email - less typing for you.

Also, I'd recommend using the mailx package for sending mail from scripts, 
as it's a proper mail client and therefore you can pass it lots of stuff 
on the command line, such as the mail subject, and you can also tell it to 
include files in the body of the message which is jmore likely to be what 
you want in a script.

Also, you will find that things take time, I still find this to be the 
case, but I enjoy the challenge and the senses of achievement when I 
finally get something to work.

Cheers.

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Re: Sendmail Wpon't work

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Just to clarify something here.  The end-of-file character in Unix is
control-D, not control-Z.  Control-Z will often let you suspend programs,
particularly useful if you're on a remote connection.  You can then resume
such a suspended program using the fg command.  You can have multiple
programs suspended and foreground any of them at will by using the command
"fg %number" where number is the number you see when you suspend it.  You
can also use "bg" to background a task where this is appropriate.  You can
list all suspended processes with the "jobs" command.  If you try to logout
with jobs suspended, the shell will warn you that "You have stopped jobs".
If you logout again, it will let you do it and kill off the jobs.  Finally,
if you want to kill a suspended job, you can use "kill %number" where
number is the job number as described above.

Hope this helps.

Geoff.

Re: Sendmail Wpon't work

[Rejean Proulx]

That sure helped.  This note is a keeper.  Lots of good stuff that I've been
wondering about but haven't asked yet.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: Sendmail Wpon't work


> Hi:
>
> Just to clarify something here.  The end-of-file character in Unix is
> control-D, not control-Z.  Control-Z will often let you suspend programs,
> particularly useful if you're on a remote connection.  You can then resume
> such a suspended program using the fg command.  You can have multiple
> programs suspended and foreground any of them at will by using the command
> "fg %number" where number is the number you see when you suspend it.  You
> can also use "bg" to background a task where this is appropriate.  You can
> list all suspended processes with the "jobs" command.  If you try to
logout
> with jobs suspended, the shell will warn you that "You have stopped jobs".
> If you logout again, it will let you do it and kill off the jobs.
Finally,
> if you want to kill a suspended job, you can use "kill %number" where
> number is the job number as described above.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
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Re: Sendmail Wpon't work

[Luke Davis]

"Stoped", means a suspended job.  You do a "fg", to bring it back into the
foreground.

Now, control-Z is the DOS/Windows end of file character.  Control-D, is
the end of file character for Unix.  That's "D", as in "delta".
This isn't a problem with sendmail, and has no relationship to courier,
exim, or anything.

I am having the same problem with courier--I can not get POP access to
function, no matter what I try.

Luke

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Rejean Proulx wrote:

> When I do sendmail xxx@yyy.ca I can compose the note but when I do a
> control-z to send it I get the message 1 stopped job sendmail
>
> Some background.  I decided to try the Courier mail system.  At first it
> seemed good but as I read, I became less taken with it.  It has a nice
> configuration web interface, but I don't care for its mailing list manager.
> I couldn't get outlook express to sign on to its pop server.  I began to
> realize that I was having more success with exim.  The problem of sendmail
> not working started after I moved to Courier.  Now that I removed all of
> Courier and installed exim, the problem is still hear.  I'm not testing
> anything else until I get to the bottom of this.  I don't know how to
> investigate a process that gets stopped.  Where do I look for the error?
> This is probably simple, but not to me.
>
>  Rejean Proulx
> Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> Ham License VA3REJ
>
>
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Re: Sendmail Wpon't work

[Rejean Proulx]

Since you are having the same problem, I feel better.  I suspect that
courier has a ways to go.  For Exim, I had to install popa3d..  I don't have
it all working yet, but it is just a matter of time.  I am playing with the
logon options and I am close.  I had to create a password file and haven't
tried since.  I'll get going on it today.  I notice that mailman has been
changed a little so maybe my web interface will work.

 Rejean Proulx
Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
Ham License VA3REJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <ldavis@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: Sendmail Wpon't work


> "Stoped", means a suspended job.  You do a "fg", to bring it back into the
> foreground.
>
> Now, control-Z is the DOS/Windows end of file character.  Control-D, is
> the end of file character for Unix.  That's "D", as in "delta".
> This isn't a problem with sendmail, and has no relationship to courier,
> exim, or anything.
>
> I am having the same problem with courier--I can not get POP access to
> function, no matter what I try.
>
> Luke
>
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Rejean Proulx wrote:
>
> > When I do sendmail xxx@yyy.ca I can compose the note but when I do a
> > control-z to send it I get the message 1 stopped job sendmail
> >
> > Some background.  I decided to try the Courier mail system.  At first it
> > seemed good but as I read, I became less taken with it.  It has a nice
> > configuration web interface, but I don't care for its mailing list
manager.
> > I couldn't get outlook express to sign on to its pop server.  I began to
> > realize that I was having more success with exim.  The problem of
sendmail
> > not working started after I moved to Courier.  Now that I removed all of
> > Courier and installed exim, the problem is still hear.  I'm not testing
> > anything else until I get to the bottom of this.  I don't know how to
> > investigate a process that gets stopped.  Where do I look for the error?
> > This is probably simple, but not to me.
> >
> >  Rejean Proulx
> > Visit my family at http://interfree.ca
> > MSN is: rejp@rogers.com
> > Ham License VA3REJ
> >
> >
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