configuring the network after debian install.

configuring the network after debian install.

[Shaun Oliver]

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Hi there. 
The subject just about says it all.
I want to be able to configure the network after I've rebuilt my kernel
on my current debian installation. As steve pointed out to me a few
nights ago, the kernel version is in fact 2.4.18-bf2.4 anyway, any help
would be greatly appreciated.
Shaun.
 

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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Patrick Turnage]

Hi

Speaking of network problems, I have what I believe is a ne 2000 compatible
card.
Windows just calls it an
ISA Plug-and-play Ethernet Adapter
It was installed a few years ago for the cable modem service.
I am using the kernel that is the default for the debian potato
installation.. 2.2.18pre21
when I load the driver via a module I get..
modprobe ne io=0x300
it finds it and gives it irq 3, I've also tried 5 9 10 11
and still get the same messages.
I configure it and give it an ip address of 10.0.0.1/24 and when I ping
10.0.0.2/24 I get
neighbour table overflow
over and over again and no response to my ping
in the 
kernel output messages (dmesg)
I get 
eth0 tx timed out, lost interrupt, and a string of numbers and letters.
what do those errors mean? What should be the best way to fix it?



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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Adam Myrow]

If Windows calls it an ISA PNP card, that means you are either going to
have to use ISAPNP tools to configure it, or use a 2.4.X kernel with ISA
plug and play support.  Since you're using a 2.2.X kernel, you should look
at the man pages for pnpdump and try to come up with a working
/etc/isapnp.conf.  It's been a long time since I used these tools, so my
memory is a bit hazy.  I've been using a 2.4.X kernel with ISA plug 'N
play built in for awhile and it works quite well.

Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Patrick Turnage]

Hi
been trying that, isapnp reports no plug and play cards found.
so does the 2.4.18 kernel



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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Adam Myrow]

It sounds like your card may require some sort of initialization from DOS
or Windows.  I've never encountered this, but I've heard of several cards
claiming to be compatible with a popular brand only working after one
boots into DOS or Windows and then uses Loadlin from there to start Linux.
I hope this isn't the case, but it sounds like the card you are trying to
get working isn't quite as compatible as it claims if ISAPNP can't even
find it.

Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Patrick Turnage]

I get the same problems when I use loadlin to load the kernel and hard drive.
I think i'm going to save myself some head aches and go out and spend the 9
dollars or so for an ISA board..
What is a good cheep.. and I'm really talking cheep here model, that will
work with Linux?



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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Kerry Hoath]

Be aware if you specify an io and irq to the ne driver;
it will assume that there is a card there regardless of whether one is activated
at this address.
Also if an irq is allocated to a isa card and not reserved in bios and
a pci device has it; often Linux will never see the
interrupt for the  network card.
Unless the machine has no spare PCI slots or none at all;
there is no reason to avoid pci cards; they just
work and require no mucking with isapnp.
that said; most ne2000 clones can be hard set to addresses and irqs
which aleviates the need to do it with isapnp.
There are utilities to do this under Linux for the common chips; use
the dos utils f or any others.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 12:00:22PM -0500, Adam Myrow wrote:
> It sounds like your card may require some sort of initialization from DOS
> or Windows.  I've never encountered this, but I've heard of several cards
> claiming to be compatible with a popular brand only working after one
> boots into DOS or Windows and then uses Loadlin from there to start Linux.
> I hope this isn't the case, but it sounds like the card you are trying to
> get working isn't quite as compatible as it claims if ISAPNP can't even
> find it.
> 
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Kerry Hoath]

I presume PCI.
The rtl8139 is probably the cheapest most available piece of shit
um er I mean network card you can getyour hands on.
They work fine as a connectivity solution; and to be fare the revision C chips seem
all right but don't put them in a server :-)

If you need 10base2 (coax) you want the rtl8029; it is
an Ne2000 pci card (oh the horror).
For the scoop on this see http://www.scyld.com and the network card drivers
page.
My flatmate has an rtl8139 card in her Windows box
and it works fine enough under Linux and windows.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 01:28:59PM -0400, Patrick Turnage wrote:
> I get the same problems when I use loadlin to load the kernel and hard drive.
> I think i'm going to save myself some head aches and go out and spend the 9
> dollars or so for an ISA board..
> What is a good cheep.. and I'm really talking cheep here model, that will
> work with Linux?
> 
> 
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Mitchell Smith]

realtech *shudders*, evil evil evil.

I have found the hard way that realtech cards and access databases don't
live well together on the same network, especially with win98.  I don't
understand the exact connection between the two, but if you use realtech
cards and the native microsoft drivers, and any applications which use
access databases, you will find that the databases become corrupt at random
requiring repeted database maintanance to be needed.

A good alternative I have found, with out going out and spending vast
amounts on cards such as the Intel Eepro are the cards put out by Netgear.

They live quite happily under both Linux and Windows and use the drivers
from national semiconductors.  They also don't cost much more than the
realtech type cards, usually about $30 australian.

Just my opinion anyway :).

Later

>From Mitchell

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Subject: Re: configuring the network after debian install.


> I presume PCI.
> The rtl8139 is probably the cheapest most available piece of shit
> um er I mean network card you can getyour hands on.
> They work fine as a connectivity solution; and to be fare the revision C
chips seem
> all right but don't put them in a server :-)
>
> If you need 10base2 (coax) you want the rtl8029; it is
> an Ne2000 pci card (oh the horror).
> For the scoop on this see http://www.scyld.com and the network card
drivers
> page.
> My flatmate has an rtl8139 card in her Windows box
> and it works fine enough under Linux and windows.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 01:28:59PM -0400, Patrick Turnage wrote:
> > I get the same problems when I use loadlin to load the kernel and hard
drive.
> > I think i'm going to save myself some head aches and go out and spend
the 9
> > dollars or so for an ISA board..
> > What is a good cheep.. and I'm really talking cheep here model, that
will
> > work with Linux?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Patrick Turnage]

Hi
First it does not find the ne with out it.. second I opened up my old
aptiva and I see some pci slots next to the isa slots but it is a strange
design, what kind of pci card should I get.. what are the good/best bang
for the buck cards?
also what is a good isa card.. just incase..



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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Igor Gueths]

Hi. Try picking up an lne100txv5 or similar card. The Linksys nics are
pretty reliable, and the driver that works with the lne100 series is the
tulip driver which is included in the 2.4.18 kernel (if you have it, don't
know what kernel version you're running).

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On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Patrick Turnage wrote:

> Hi
> First it does not find the ne with out it.. second I opened up my old
> aptiva and I see some pci slots next to the isa slots but it is a strange
> design, what kind of pci card should I get.. what are the good/best bang
> for the buck cards?
> also what is a good isa card.. just incase..
>
>
>
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Patrick Turnage]

Hi
I wanted to use a 2.2.19 kernel, does it still include support for the
tulip driver?



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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Patrick. You may be out of luck on that one. To confirm that it is not
in 2.2.19, grab the source and untar it to /usr/src/linux (the linux dir
is created automatically). Then after doing make mrproper, do make
oldconfig. Once this completes, do vi .config while in /usr/src/linux.
Search for the string CONFIG_TULIP include the capital letters the search
is case sensitive. Good luck. And if its not included and you need help
compiling 2.4.18, mail me privately and I can get you through it as far as
configuring and compiling goes. However I won't be able to tell you
exactly what and what not to include because I don't know all the specs on
your hardware.

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On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Patrick Turnage wrote:

> Hi
> I wanted to use a 2.2.19 kernel, does it still include support for the
> tulip driver?
>
>
>
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Kerry Hoath]

Yes the Tulip driver has been in the kernel since
1.1.something and is in the 2.2 2.4 and 2.5 series of kernels.
It drives a host of dec and look-alike chips from liteon macronics linksys and
others.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 10:58:02AM -0400, Patrick Turnage wrote:
> Hi
> I wanted to use a 2.2.19 kernel, does it still include support for the
> tulip driver?
> 
> 
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Kerry. Thx for the info didn't know it had been in the kernel for that
long.

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On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> Yes the Tulip driver has been in the kernel since
> 1.1.something and is in the 2.2 2.4 and 2.5 series of kernels.
> It drives a host of dec and look-alike chips from liteon macronics linksys and
> others.
>
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 10:58:02AM -0400, Patrick Turnage wrote:
> > Hi
> > I wanted to use a 2.2.19 kernel, does it still include support for the
> > tulip driver?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Patrick Turnage]

hello
I got the linksys lne100txv5, and am trying the tulip driver, and
2.2.18pre21 but it is just not working.. it reports device or resource busy..
and I thought pci required no configuration... grrr.. I should have gone
ISA, but the upside to this PCI card is if it doesn't work I can just take
the aptiva nad return it to its place on the closet shelf and slap that
card in my dell and let windows internet connection sharing do the job--
shutters to think... 
Patrick



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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Kerry Hoath]

PCI does not require any configuration. device or resource
busy means there is an interrupt conflict on that  machine or something
is wrong wit h the hardware configuration.
run dmesg and see what error t he tulip driver
is actually giving you; "device or resource busy" is a standard
error returned by the kernel; the driver will have more to say
on the matter.
The problem is not linux; the problem is your hardware configuration and Windows
would probably drop its bundle on the same hardware.
If windows did work; it would cludge around something without telling you about it.
I'd like to know what dmesg said before giving up on it;
the pci card is a better card; not only is it 100 megabit;
it has better multicast filters; lower cpu utilzation; and
less bus utilization.
All other things equal; PCI cards are more efficient than ISA cards;
so I doubt you wasted your money.
Internet connection sharing will probably do the job admirably; however every time Windows crashes
you'll l oose  your net link. fun fun fun.
Try putting the pci card in a different slot;
on PCI slot ordermatters.  You just might have a conflict between
onboard video irq and pci network card.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 07:56:02PM -0400, Patrick Turnage wrote:
> hello
> I got the linksys lne100txv5, and am trying the tulip driver, and
> 2.2.18pre21 but it is just not working.. it reports device or resource busy..
> and I thought pci required no configuration... grrr.. I should have gone
> ISA, but the upside to this PCI card is if it doesn't work I can just take
> the aptiva nad return it to its place on the closet shelf and slap that
> card in my dell and let windows internet connection sharing do the job--
> shutters to think... 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
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Re: configuring the network after debian install.

[Patrick Turnage]

yes it was the old kernel, for some reason upgrading solved what seemed to
be the trouble.. I got everyting up and working..



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