* RE: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) @ Ryan Mann ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Ryan Mann @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi. I forwarded some of your responses to Chris Hofstader's testimony in the Microsoft case and this is the response I got back from him. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:06:15 -0400 From: Chris Hofstader <ChrisH@Freedomscientific.com> To: 'Ryan Mann' <rmann@rmisp.net> Subject: RE: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) Hello, Thanks for forwarding the thread on to me. I'm always happy to hear from the open source, blinux community. If you read my written testimony, I state clearly that there are a number of good accessibility aids available for the Linux OS. I add that the Linux AT software is written by a group of hard working volunteers. I do wish that some of the open source vendors would start investing in accessibility the way that Microsoft, IBM and Sun already do. With a reasonable level of funding the volunteers could become professionals and not concern themselves with doing the really cool work happening already and paying the bills too. If you also look at my resume (put in as Exhibit 1), you will see that, along with Richard Stallman, I was the co-founder and president of League for Programming Freedom. I have been a vocal advocate for Project GNU and have worked on the defense of a number of companies being sued for patent infringement and user interface copyright issues. When it comes to accessibility, however, I believe the single most important aspect is getting jobs for people with disabilities. With estimates for unemployment among blind people running as high as 75% and with virtually all potential employers requiring skills in MS Windows then it is essential that adaptive technologies work in the environment that the consumers want. In the commercial environment, Microsoft is the overwhelmingly dominant source of Operating systems and, for a long time, Microsoft has invested time and resources into accessibility and is the corporate leader in this area. Permitting incomplete or altered versions of the Microsoft operating systems to be sold will reek havoc on a system level product like JAWS and all of its competitors. I, therefore, stand behind my testimony entirely. Respectfully, Cdh Chris Hofstader VP, Software Engineering Freedom Scientific, Inc. 11800 31st Court N. St. Petersburg, FL 33716 PH: (727)803-8000 ext. 1061; (800)444-4443 Fax:(727) 803-8001 email: ChrisH@freedomscientific.com Check out our website! www.freedomscientific.com -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mann [mailto:rmann@rmisp.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:56 PM To: chrish@freedomscientific.com Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:44:19 -0400 From: Scott Howell <showell@lrxms.net> Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, What amazes the hell out of me is that if the sighted folk of the world only gave some though to the matter, they'd probably agree that editing a file is considerably faster then any gui. Not to mention keyboard access can out run a mouse clicking any day...that's a proven fact. <grin> Oh how I love these discussions. Did I mention that do to windows the adverage employee is producing less? Afterall all that crashing and rebooting reduces output don't you think?? On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:48:43PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > Hi Cecil and all. An example. I was using War Ftpd on my Winblows > laptop. It uses Unix style permissions for file access. Only problem is that the gui makes it extremely difficult to set file permissions, and very hard to tell to what exactly you are setting those permissions to. In Linux, all you have to do is edit a config file, and that's it! A process that should take 1 or 2 minutes, took me about three hours because of the f-ing gui! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cecil H. Whitley <cwhitley@ec.rr.com> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, > > > > Okay, okay just one more and I might shut up..... > > Blind people need a GUI. Isn't that the real msg? Why doesn't he > > give them the real story? Text mode os's are accessable to a degree > > that a GUI will never be by their very nature. > > > > Cecil, stater of the obvious. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) Ryan Mann @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Last newbie question for at least 10 minutes Rob DeZonia ` I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) Alex Snow 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I wish he'd stop calling gnu/linux open source. It's free software, shouldn't he be aware of that difference if he used to work with Richard Stallman? Also, his response sounds to me like another pat on the back. Greg On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:28:05AM -0400, Ryan Mann wrote: > Hi. I forwarded some of your responses to Chris Hofstader's testimony in > the Microsoft case and this is the response I got back from him. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:06:15 -0400 > From: Chris Hofstader <ChrisH@Freedomscientific.com> > To: 'Ryan Mann' <rmann@rmisp.net> > Subject: RE: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > > Hello, > > Thanks for forwarding the thread on to me. I'm always happy to hear from > the open source, blinux community. > > If you read my written testimony, I state clearly that there are a number of > good accessibility aids available for the Linux OS. I add that the Linux AT > software is written by a group of hard working volunteers. I do wish that > some of the open source vendors would start investing in accessibility the > way that Microsoft, IBM and Sun already do. With a reasonable level of > funding the volunteers could become professionals and not concern themselves > with doing the really cool work happening already and paying the bills too. > > > If you also look at my resume (put in as Exhibit 1), you will see that, > along with Richard Stallman, I was the co-founder and president of League > for Programming Freedom. I have been a vocal advocate for Project GNU and > have worked on the defense of a number of companies being sued for patent > infringement and user interface copyright issues. > > When it comes to accessibility, however, I believe the single most important > aspect is getting jobs for people with disabilities. With estimates for > unemployment among blind people running as high as 75% and with virtually > all potential employers requiring skills in MS Windows then it is essential > that adaptive technologies work in the environment that the consumers want. > In the commercial environment, Microsoft is the overwhelmingly dominant > source of Operating systems and, for a long time, Microsoft has invested > time and resources into accessibility and is the corporate leader in this > area. > > Permitting incomplete or altered versions of the Microsoft operating systems > to be sold will reek havoc on a system level product like JAWS and all of > its competitors. I, therefore, stand behind my testimony entirely. > > Respectfully, > Cdh > > Chris Hofstader > VP, Software Engineering > Freedom Scientific, Inc. > 11800 31st Court N. > St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > PH: (727)803-8000 ext. 1061; (800)444-4443 > Fax:(727) 803-8001 > email: ChrisH@freedomscientific.com > Check out our website! www.freedomscientific.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Mann [mailto:rmann@rmisp.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:56 PM > To: chrish@freedomscientific.com > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:44:19 -0400 > From: Scott Howell <showell@lrxms.net> > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, > > What amazes the hell out of me is that if the sighted folk of the world only > gave some though to the matter, they'd probably agree that editing a file is > considerably faster then any gui. Not to mention keyboard access can out run > a mouse clicking any day...that's a proven fact. <grin> Oh how I love these > discussions. Did I mention that do to windows the adverage employee is > producing less? Afterall all that crashing and rebooting reduces output > don't you think?? > > > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:48:43PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > > Hi Cecil and all. An example. I was using War Ftpd on my Winblows > > laptop. It uses Unix style permissions for file access. Only problem is > that the gui makes it extremely difficult to set file permissions, and very > hard to tell to what exactly you are setting those permissions to. In Linux, > all you have to do is edit a config file, and that's it! A process that > should take 1 or 2 minutes, took me about three hours because of the f-ing > gui! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cecil H. Whitley <cwhitley@ec.rr.com> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:57 PM > > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, > > > > > > > Okay, okay just one more and I might shut up..... > > > Blind people need a GUI. Isn't that the real msg? Why doesn't he > > > give them the real story? Text mode os's are accessable to a degree > > > that a GUI will never be by their very nature. > > > > > > Cecil, stater of the obvious. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Last newbie question for at least 10 minutes ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Rob DeZonia ` Kenny Hitt ` I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) Alex Snow 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Rob DeZonia @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Thanks to everyone for answering the pluthora of questions I have. One more and that's it for now. What do I need to download from the speakup ftp site for a Debian installation? I've heard to get the files for Woody. What do I need? Thanks. Rob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Last newbie question for at least 10 minutes ` Last newbie question for at least 10 minutes Rob DeZonia @ ` Kenny Hitt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi. You need resc1440.bin root1440.bin all 5 driver disks drv14-1.bin through drv14-5.bin You will also need the rawrite2.exe program from the dos utils sub directory. In order to use this program, you will need to boot your system to a DOS prompt. If you don't have a DOS screen reader, you will need a version of the rawrite program that runs in Windows. You should be able to get this program from the Debian web sight. Kenny On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:05:42PM -0700, Rob DeZonia wrote: > Thanks to everyone for answering the pluthora of questions I have. One > more and that's it for now. What do I need to download from the > speakup ftp site for a Debian installation? I've heard to get the > files for Woody. What do I need? Thanks. > > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) ` Gregory Nowak ` Last newbie question for at least 10 minutes Rob DeZonia @ ` Alex Snow ` Ameer Armaly 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup If we go comersial, that's goodbye to free software. A correction: Not all linux software is open source;not all open source software is linux. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > I wish he'd stop calling gnu/linux open source. It's free software, shouldn't he be aware of that difference if he used to work with Richard Stallman? Also, his response sounds to me like another pat on the back. > Greg > > > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:28:05AM -0400, Ryan Mann wrote: > > Hi. I forwarded some of your responses to Chris Hofstader's testimony in > > the Microsoft case and this is the response I got back from him. > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:06:15 -0400 > > From: Chris Hofstader <ChrisH@Freedomscientific.com> > > To: 'Ryan Mann' <rmann@rmisp.net> > > Subject: RE: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > > > > Hello, > > > > Thanks for forwarding the thread on to me. I'm always happy to hear from > > the open source, blinux community. > > > > If you read my written testimony, I state clearly that there are a number of > > good accessibility aids available for the Linux OS. I add that the Linux AT > > software is written by a group of hard working volunteers. I do wish that > > some of the open source vendors would start investing in accessibility the > > way that Microsoft, IBM and Sun already do. With a reasonable level of > > funding the volunteers could become professionals and not concern themselves > > with doing the really cool work happening already and paying the bills too. > > > > > > If you also look at my resume (put in as Exhibit 1), you will see that, > > along with Richard Stallman, I was the co-founder and president of League > > for Programming Freedom. I have been a vocal advocate for Project GNU and > > have worked on the defense of a number of companies being sued for patent > > infringement and user interface copyright issues. > > > > When it comes to accessibility, however, I believe the single most important > > aspect is getting jobs for people with disabilities. With estimates for > > unemployment among blind people running as high as 75% and with virtually > > all potential employers requiring skills in MS Windows then it is essential > > that adaptive technologies work in the environment that the consumers want. > > In the commercial environment, Microsoft is the overwhelmingly dominant > > source of Operating systems and, for a long time, Microsoft has invested > > time and resources into accessibility and is the corporate leader in this > > area. > > > > Permitting incomplete or altered versions of the Microsoft operating systems > > to be sold will reek havoc on a system level product like JAWS and all of > > its competitors. I, therefore, stand behind my testimony entirely. > > > > Respectfully, > > Cdh > > > > Chris Hofstader > > VP, Software Engineering > > Freedom Scientific, Inc. > > 11800 31st Court N. > > St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > PH: (727)803-8000 ext. 1061; (800)444-4443 > > Fax:(727) 803-8001 > > email: ChrisH@freedomscientific.com > > Check out our website! www.freedomscientific.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ryan Mann [mailto:rmann@rmisp.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:56 PM > > To: chrish@freedomscientific.com > > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:44:19 -0400 > > From: Scott Howell <showell@lrxms.net> > > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, > > > > What amazes the hell out of me is that if the sighted folk of the world only > > gave some though to the matter, they'd probably agree that editing a file is > > considerably faster then any gui. Not to mention keyboard access can out run > > a mouse clicking any day...that's a proven fact. <grin> Oh how I love these > > discussions. Did I mention that do to windows the adverage employee is > > producing less? Afterall all that crashing and rebooting reduces output > > don't you think?? > > > > > > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:48:43PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > > > Hi Cecil and all. An example. I was using War Ftpd on my Winblows > > > laptop. It uses Unix style permissions for file access. Only problem is > > that the gui makes it extremely difficult to set file permissions, and very > > hard to tell to what exactly you are setting those permissions to. In Linux, > > all you have to do is edit a config file, and that's it! A process that > > should take 1 or 2 minutes, took me about three hours because of the f-ing > > gui! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Cecil H. Whitley <cwhitley@ec.rr.com> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, > > > > > > > > > > Okay, okay just one more and I might shut up..... > > > > Blind people need a GUI. Isn't that the real msg? Why doesn't he > > > > give them the real story? Text mode os's are accessable to a degree > > > > that a GUI will never be by their very nature. > > > > > > > > Cecil, stater of the obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) ` I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) Alex Snow @ ` Ameer Armaly ` Ann Parsons 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Ameer Armaly @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup You know as well as I do that linux isn't that far from where it was three years ago. I had a first-hand look, and a friend that used linux for a while says it's not much different than what it was in his time. Anyway, what's wrong with paying for programs that work? I've got a lot of programs that I baught because they work, and don't crash like you guys say. It would be heven if you could just go onto microsoft's site and download the lates windows upgrade, but that's just not true. That's why linux is moving so slowly: the people are writing it in there spare time, so it doesn't exactly move as fast as it would if they got a profit out of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > If we go comersial, that's goodbye to free software. A correction: Not all > linux software is open source;not all open source software is linux. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > > > > I wish he'd stop calling gnu/linux open source. It's free software, > shouldn't he be aware of that difference if he used to work with Richard > Stallman? Also, his response sounds to me like another pat on the back. > > Greg > > > > > > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 11:28:05AM -0400, Ryan Mann wrote: > > > Hi. I forwarded some of your responses to Chris Hofstader's testimony > in > > > the Microsoft case and this is the response I got back from him. > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:06:15 -0400 > > > From: Chris Hofstader <ChrisH@Freedomscientific.com> > > > To: 'Ryan Mann' <rmann@rmisp.net> > > > Subject: RE: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Thanks for forwarding the thread on to me. I'm always happy to hear > from > > > the open source, blinux community. > > > > > > If you read my written testimony, I state clearly that there are a > number of > > > good accessibility aids available for the Linux OS. I add that the > Linux AT > > > software is written by a group of hard working volunteers. I do wish > that > > > some of the open source vendors would start investing in accessibility > the > > > way that Microsoft, IBM and Sun already do. With a reasonable level of > > > funding the volunteers could become professionals and not concern > themselves > > > with doing the really cool work happening already and paying the bills > too. > > > > > > > > > If you also look at my resume (put in as Exhibit 1), you will see that, > > > along with Richard Stallman, I was the co-founder and president of > League > > > for Programming Freedom. I have been a vocal advocate for Project GNU > and > > > have worked on the defense of a number of companies being sued for > patent > > > infringement and user interface copyright issues. > > > > > > When it comes to accessibility, however, I believe the single most > important > > > aspect is getting jobs for people with disabilities. With estimates for > > > unemployment among blind people running as high as 75% and with > virtually > > > all potential employers requiring skills in MS Windows then it is > essential > > > that adaptive technologies work in the environment that the consumers > want. > > > In the commercial environment, Microsoft is the overwhelmingly dominant > > > source of Operating systems and, for a long time, Microsoft has invested > > > time and resources into accessibility and is the corporate leader in > this > > > area. > > > > > > Permitting incomplete or altered versions of the Microsoft operating > systems > > > to be sold will reek havoc on a system level product like JAWS and all > of > > > its competitors. I, therefore, stand behind my testimony entirely. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > Cdh > > > > > > Chris Hofstader > > > VP, Software Engineering > > > Freedom Scientific, Inc. > > > 11800 31st Court N. > > > St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > > PH: (727)803-8000 ext. 1061; (800)444-4443 > > > Fax:(727) 803-8001 > > > email: ChrisH@freedomscientific.com > > > Check out our website! www.freedomscientific.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ryan Mann [mailto:rmann@rmisp.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:56 PM > > > To: chrish@freedomscientific.com > > > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:44:19 -0400 > > > From: Scott Howell <showell@lrxms.net> > > > Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, > > > > > > What amazes the hell out of me is that if the sighted folk of the world > only > > > gave some though to the matter, they'd probably agree that editing a > file is > > > considerably faster then any gui. Not to mention keyboard access can out > run > > > a mouse clicking any day...that's a proven fact. <grin> Oh how I love > these > > > discussions. Did I mention that do to windows the adverage employee is > > > producing less? Afterall all that crashing and rebooting reduces output > > > don't you think?? > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:48:43PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote: > > > > Hi Cecil and all. An example. I was using War Ftpd on my Winblows > > > > laptop. It uses Unix style permissions for file access. Only problem > is > > > that the gui makes it extremely difficult to set file permissions, and > very > > > hard to tell to what exactly you are setting those permissions to. In > Linux, > > > all you have to do is edit a config file, and that's it! A process that > > > should take 1 or 2 minutes, took me about three hours because of the > f-ing > > > gui! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Cecil H. Whitley <cwhitley@ec.rr.com> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: I swear to tell the truth, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, okay just one more and I might shut up..... > > > > > Blind people need a GUI. Isn't that the real msg? Why doesn't he > > > > > give them the real story? Text mode os's are accessable to a degree > > > > > that a GUI will never be by their very nature. > > > > > > > > > > Cecil, stater of the obvious. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: I swear to tell the truth, (fwd) ` Ameer Armaly @ ` Ann Parsons 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, Well, now, I don't see that at all. Emacspeak has come out with version 16, which includes a DAISY reader. Debian is going to be releasing its new version within the week. IBM is experimenting with Linux. A lot of Asian countries are taking a long, hard look at Linux. In addition the German government is taking a long hard look at Linux as well. If Microsoft wants to keep ahead of the market, maybe they need to do less marketing and more programming. Maybe they need to stop charging exorbitant prices for their stuff so that others can use it. I suspect that if Linux ever gets to the point of giving access to X, the adaptive tech folks are going to have a hard time selling their products. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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