Speakup problem.

Speakup problem.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, everyone. I have a question on something I belfieve to be a Speakup 
problem. I have a dectalk express, on /dev/ttyS0, and the pitch is set to 
100.
However, often when typing an email message, a document in Emacs, or so on  
the dectalk  will get vary 
high in pitch, and will remain so until I open another vt, and send echo 
100 >/proc/speakup/pitch to reset it.
Any reason for why this happens, and anyway to fix this rather annoying 
problem? Thanks.
 

Re: Speakup problem.

[Gregory Nowak]

I've noticed this sometimes with a doubletalk pc, but didn't find it annoying enough to report it, especially since I've noticed the same behavior with window-eyes once in a while as well.
Greg


On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 12:08:00AM -0500, Thomas D. Ward wrote:
> 
> Hi, everyone. I have a question on something I belfieve to be a Speakup 
> problem. I have a dectalk express, on /dev/ttyS0, and the pitch is set to 
> 100.
> However, often when typing an email message, a document in Emacs, or so on  
> the dectalk  will get vary 
> high in pitch, and will remain so until I open another vt, and send echo 
> 100 >/proc/speakup/pitch to reset it.
> Any reason for why this happens, and anyway to fix this rather annoying 
> problem? Thanks.
>  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Speakup problem.

[Janina Sajka]

I sometimes have similar problems with my Litetalk. Today I was listening 
to some documents on someone's Windows 2000 system and noticed the same 
thing.


-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Speakup problem.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Ok, it really does sound like a Speakup problem. I have Window Eyes 4.11 
on my Windows partition, and it doesn't do it with Window Eyes or Openbook 
5. Only with Speakup.
 

On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> I sometimes have similar problems with my Litetalk. Today I was listening 
> to some documents on someone's Windows 2000 system and noticed the same 
> thing.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Speakup problem.

[Kirk Reiser]

What sometimes happens particularly with external synths is that that
speakup is saying an uppercase character when you hit an alt/control
and the pitch doesn't get set back down.  The simplest way to get it
back down is to move with say char onto an uppercase character and
that will set it correctly.  We tried to improve responce a while back
by reducing the number of control characters we send out for each
character typed.  It significantly improves the Dectalk Express
responce time.  I may have to go back to the way we used to do it.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Speakup problem.

[Victor Tsaran]

I think many of those synthesizers are too slow for modern computers or they
simply do not react to the quick change of commands.
Best regards,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Speakup problem.


> I sometimes have similar problems with my Litetalk. Today I was listening
> to some documents on someone's Windows 2000 system and noticed the same
> thing.
>
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: Speakup problem.

[Janina Sajka]

Kirk:

Unless this is happening very frequently, I would think it's easy enought
just to do the occasional reset. I would hate to sacrifice responsivness.

Thomas: Why not build an alias in your .bash_profile that resets the 
defaults you like? I do this with my Litetalk which is in need of some 
help from a soldering iron. When it loses its mind I simply power cycle 
and give it my single char alias command. I used the letter s, but I tell 
you that mainly to suggest it can be a very short, and therefore quick, 
command.


On 21 Mar 2002, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> What sometimes happens particularly with external synths is that that
> speakup is saying an uppercase character when you hit an alt/control
> and the pitch doesn't get set back down.  The simplest way to get it
> back down is to move with say char onto an uppercase character and
> that will set it correctly.  We tried to improve responce a while back
> by reducing the number of control characters we send out for each
> character typed.  It significantly improves the Dectalk Express
> responce time.  I may have to go back to the way we used to do it.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Speakup problem.

[Kerry Hoath]

Yes a way to dump all settings or reset the synth is a good idea.
If the power goes out on my transport it looses pitch rate speed
punctuation level etc. I could reset all
the things with a shellscript but I would think some way for speakup to 
reset all the current settings in one fell swoop would be nice
by either prodding something in /proc or making insert enter re-initialize the
synth while it is at it.

Regards, Kerry.
On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:36:29AM -0800, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Kirk:
> 
> Unless this is happening very frequently, I would think it's easy enought
> just to do the occasional reset. I would hate to sacrifice responsivness.
> 
> Thomas: Why not build an alias in your .bash_profile that resets the 
> defaults you like? I do this with my Litetalk which is in need of some 
> help from a soldering iron. When it loses its mind I simply power cycle 
> and give it my single char alias command. I used the letter s, but I tell 
> you that mainly to suggest it can be a very short, and therefore quick, 
> command.
> 
> 
> On 21 Mar 2002, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> 
> > What sometimes happens particularly with external synths is that that
> > speakup is saying an uppercase character when you hit an alt/control
> > and the pitch doesn't get set back down.  The simplest way to get it
> > back down is to move with say char onto an uppercase character and
> > that will set it correctly.  We tried to improve responce a while back
> > by reducing the number of control characters we send out for each
> > character typed.  It significantly improves the Dectalk Express
> > responce time.  I may have to go back to the way we used to do it.
> > 
> >   Kirk
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

-- 
Kerry Hoath:  kerry@gotss.net kerry@gotss.eu.org or  kerry@gotss.spice.net.au
ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au

Re: Speakup problem.

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, I've actually created a perl script called reset which does that for 
me. However, this happens so much that it is frustrating. I have to switch 
out of what I am doing quite often to reset this problem.
I was merely wondering if there was a way to fix the problem out right so 
that it would rarely or never get locked in high pitch tso often. I seam 
to notice it happens when I type fast.
I am rated at 75 words a minute, and when I start getting up to full speed 
speakup simply goes bonkers. Is there a way to change Speakup to echo 
words rater than characters. perhaps that will reduce that problem.

 On Thu, 21 Mar 
2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Kirk:
> 
> Unless this is happening very frequently, I would think it's easy enought
> just to do the occasional reset. I would hate to sacrifice responsivness.
> 
> Thomas: Why not build an alias in your .bash_profile that resets the 
> defaults you like? I do this with my Litetalk which is in need of some 
> help from a soldering iron. When it loses its mind I simply power cycle 
> and give it my single char alias command. I used the letter s, but I tell 
> you that mainly to suggest it can be a very short, and therefore quick, 
> command.
> 
> 
> On 21 Mar 2002, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> 
> > What sometimes happens particularly with external synths is that that
> > speakup is saying an uppercase character when you hit an alt/control
> > and the pitch doesn't get set back down.  The simplest way to get it
> > back down is to move with say char onto an uppercase character and
> > that will set it correctly.  We tried to improve responce a while back
> > by reducing the number of control characters we send out for each
> > character typed.  It significantly improves the Dectalk Express
> > responce time.  I may have to go back to the way we used to do it.
> > 
> >   Kirk
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

Re: Speakup problem.

[Janina Sajka]

Well, I haven 't pegged mine to typing speed and I'm also a fast typist. 
Short of preventing such things from happening, I don't see how there 
could be anything that wouldn't disrupt what you're doing in order to 
effect a fix, though. I guess the best would be to reduce the number of 
keystrokes required.


On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Thomas D. Ward wrote:

> 
> Hi, I've actually created a perl script called reset which does that for 
> me. However, this happens so much that it is frustrating. I have to switch 
> out of what I am doing quite often to reset this problem.
> I was merely wondering if there was a way to fix the problem out right so 
> that it would rarely or never get locked in high pitch tso often. I seam 
> to notice it happens when I type fast.
> I am rated at 75 words a minute, and when I start getting up to full speed 
> speakup simply goes bonkers. Is there a way to change Speakup to echo 
> words rater than characters. perhaps that will reduce that problem.
> 
>  On Thu, 21 Mar 
> 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Kirk:
> > 
> > Unless this is happening very frequently, I would think it's easy enought
> > just to do the occasional reset. I would hate to sacrifice responsivness.
> > 
> > Thomas: Why not build an alias in your .bash_profile that resets the 
> > defaults you like? I do this with my Litetalk which is in need of some 
> > help from a soldering iron. When it loses its mind I simply power cycle 
> > and give it my single char alias command. I used the letter s, but I tell 
> > you that mainly to suggest it can be a very short, and therefore quick, 
> > command.
> > 
> > 
> > On 21 Mar 2002, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > 
> > > What sometimes happens particularly with external synths is that that
> > > speakup is saying an uppercase character when you hit an alt/control
> > > and the pitch doesn't get set back down.  The simplest way to get it
> > > back down is to move with say char onto an uppercase character and
> > > that will set it correctly.  We tried to improve responce a while back
> > > by reducing the number of control characters we send out for each
> > > character typed.  It significantly improves the Dectalk Express
> > > responce time.  I may have to go back to the way we used to do it.
> > > 
> > >   Kirk
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: Speakup problem.

[jwantz]

Hi Everybody,
Well, I guess I'm the odd man out.  I have never experienced this 
problem here at work (Doubletalk PC) or at home Doubletalk LT.  
Different ROM versions?
     Jim
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Thomas D. Ward wrote:

> 
> Hi, I've actually created a perl script called reset which does that for 
> me. However, this happens so much that it is frustrating. I have to switch 
> out of what I am doing quite often to reset this problem.
> I was merely wondering if there was a way to fix the problem out right so 
> that it would rarely or never get locked in high pitch tso often. I seam 
> to notice it happens when I type fast.
> I am rated at 75 words a minute, and when I start getting up to full speed 
> speakup simply goes bonkers. Is there a way to change Speakup to echo 
> words rater than characters. perhaps that will reduce that problem.
> 
>  On Thu, 21 Mar 
> 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Kirk:
> > 
> > Unless this is happening very frequently, I would think it's easy enought
> > just to do the occasional reset. I would hate to sacrifice responsivness.
> > 
> > Thomas: Why not build an alias in your .bash_profile that resets the 
> > defaults you like? I do this with my Litetalk which is in need of some 
> > help from a soldering iron. When it loses its mind I simply power cycle 
> > and give it my single char alias command. I used the letter s, but I tell 
> > you that mainly to suggest it can be a very short, and therefore quick, 
> > command.
> > 
> > 
> > On 21 Mar 2002, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > 
> > > What sometimes happens particularly with external synths is that that
> > > speakup is saying an uppercase character when you hit an alt/control
> > > and the pitch doesn't get set back down.  The simplest way to get it
> > > back down is to move with say char onto an uppercase character and
> > > that will set it correctly.  We tried to improve responce a while back
> > > by reducing the number of control characters we send out for each
> > > character typed.  It significantly improves the Dectalk Express
> > > responce time.  I may have to go back to the way we used to do it.
> > > 
> > >   Kirk
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Speakup problem.

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Same here, Jim - Never experienced it either, with my Doubletalk
Lite.

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
> Well, I guess I'm the odd man out.  I have never experienced this
> problem here at work (Doubletalk PC) or at home Doubletalk LT.
> Different ROM versions?
>      Jim
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Thomas D. Ward wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi, I've actually created a perl script called reset which does that for
> > me. However, this happens so much that it is frustrating. I have to switch
> > out of what I am doing quite often to reset this problem.
> > I was merely wondering if there was a way to fix the problem out right so
> > that it would rarely or never get locked in high pitch tso often. I seam
> > to notice it happens when I type fast.
> > I am rated at 75 words a minute, and when I start getting up to full speed
> > speakup simply goes bonkers. Is there a way to change Speakup to echo
> > words rater than characters. perhaps that will reduce that problem.
> >
> >  On Thu, 21 Mar
> > 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > Kirk:
> > >
> > > Unless this is happening very frequently, I would think it's easy enought
> > > just to do the occasional reset. I would hate to sacrifice responsivness.
> > >
> > > Thomas: Why not build an alias in your .bash_profile that resets the
> > > defaults you like? I do this with my Litetalk which is in need of some
> > > help from a soldering iron. When it loses its mind I simply power cycle
> > > and give it my single char alias command. I used the letter s, but I tell
> > > you that mainly to suggest it can be a very short, and therefore quick,
> > > command.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 21 Mar 2002, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> > >
> > > > What sometimes happens particularly with external synths is that that
> > > > speakup is saying an uppercase character when you hit an alt/control
> > > > and the pitch doesn't get set back down.  The simplest way to get it
> > > > back down is to move with say char onto an uppercase character and
> > > > that will set it correctly.  We tried to improve responce a while back
> > > > by reducing the number of control characters we send out for each
> > > > character typed.  It significantly improves the Dectalk Express
> > > > responce time.  I may have to go back to the way we used to do it.
> > > >
> > > >   Kirk
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Visit me at http://www.valstar.net/~hallenbeck
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (57% of Full)

Re: Speakup problem.

[Toby Fisher]

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote:

> Well, I guess I'm the odd man out.  I have never experienced this
> problem here at work (Doubletalk PC) or at home Doubletalk LT.
> Different ROM versions?

Not quite the odd one out, I don't get it here either with my Apolo.
Still, you could always keep a console open ready to just hit up arrow and
enter to resolve the problem.

Cheers.

-- 
Toby Fisher	Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk
Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272	Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239
ICQ: #61744808