Rolling My Own

Rolling My Own

[Janina Sajka]

Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:

Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling applications and
rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've become
somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to take
the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet peaves
with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather than
living with the defaults.

I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:

1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or whatever) tone
that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the heck
it's called in one programming environment or other. I want something
else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple shell
script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I suspect
you'll get the idea;

2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my portable
system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the latest
and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how the
Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order of
summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;

Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
 --

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net
(202) 408-8175
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Re: Rolling My Own

[Chris Nestrud]

I'm not sure of how the bell could be changed, but as for pine, try
looking  at the index-format configuration variable.

Chris


On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
>
> Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling applications and
> rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've become
> somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to take
> the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet peaves
> with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather than
> living with the defaults.
>
> I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
>
> 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or whatever) tone
> that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the heck
> it's called in one programming environment or other. I want something
> else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple shell
> script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I suspect
> you'll get the idea;
>
> 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my portable
> system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the latest
> and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how the
> Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order of
> summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
>
> Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
>  --
>
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> janina@afb.net
> (202) 408-8175
> http://www.afb.org/gov.html
>
>
> The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
>
> 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
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> Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
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>
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Re: Rolling My Own

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
     OK I don't know about the pine thing, but here's how I replaced the
bell tone (not recompiling):
     Find your local setup script. Don't know what it is in caldera,
slackware's is /etc/rc.d/rc.local. Put the line:
setterm -bfreq $FREQUENCY
$FREQUENCY is, of course, the frequency you'd want. The default is
somewhere around 750. When I put this in /etc/rc.d/rc.local in slackware,
it took effect for all consoles.

On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
>
> Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling applications and
> rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've become
> somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to take
> the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet peaves
> with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather than
> living with the defaults.
>
> I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
>
> 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or whatever) tone
> that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the heck
> it's called in one programming environment or other. I want something
> else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple shell
> script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I suspect
> you'll get the idea;
>
> 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my portable
> system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the latest
> and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how the
> Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order of
> summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
>
> Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
>  --
>
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> janina@afb.net
> (202) 408-8175
> http://www.afb.org/gov.html
>
>
> The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
>
> 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
> Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
>
>
>
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Re: Rolling My Own

[Jason Fayre]

Hello,
The index format in Pine can be tweaked in the pine setup screen.  I don't
remember exactly what the parameter is called, but it is there.


On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
> 
> Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling applications and
> rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've become
> somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to take
> the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet peaves
> with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather than
> living with the defaults.
> 
> I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
> 
> 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or whatever) tone
> that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the heck
> it's called in one programming environment or other. I want something
> else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple shell
> script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I suspect
> you'll get the idea;
> 
> 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my portable
> system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the latest
> and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how the
> Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order of
> summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
> 
> Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
>  --
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> (202) 408-8175
> http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> 
> 
> The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> 
> 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> 
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> Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> 
> 
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Re: Rolling My Own

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

I've seen a number of bell replacement schemes on freshmeat.net in the
console/sound section.  Haven't messed with any of them though so I can't
comment on their effectiveness or lack thereof.

And you have already been told about the pine indexing stuff so I won't
rehash that.  Question though, why can't you use the precompiled linux
binaries on your laptop?  Aren't they statically linked?

Geoff.


-- 
Geoff Shang <gshang10@scu.edu.au>
ICQ number 43634701

Re: Rolling My Own

[Janina Sajka]

The Pine setup configurations let you choose how the index is listed
out--as recieved, or the reverse of how messages are recieved, or by
thread, or by sender, or by a host of features or their reverse. It does
not let one tweak what summary is presented for each message.

To put it differently, it lets you tweak the vertical order. But, I want
to tweak the horizontal order. I want a number to the far left followed by
the subject and then the sender. There's nothing like this in the Pine
setup.
 On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jason Fayre wrote:

> Hello,
> The index format in Pine can be tweaked in the pine setup screen.  I don't
> remember exactly what the parameter is called, but it is there.
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
> >
> > Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling applications and
> > rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've become
> > somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to take
> > the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet peaves
> > with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather than
> > living with the defaults.
> >
> > I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
> >
> > 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or whatever) tone
> > that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the heck
> > it's called in one programming environment or other. I want something
> > else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple shell
> > script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> > somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> > substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I suspect
> > you'll get the idea;
> >
> > 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my portable
> > system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the latest
> > and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how the
> > Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order of
> > summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
> >
> > Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
> >  --
> >
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > janina@afb.net
> > (202) 408-8175
> > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> >
> >
> > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> >
> > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> >
> >
> >
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-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net
(202) 408-8175
http://www.afb.org/gov.html


The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:

	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

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Re: Rolling My Own

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Geoff:

I'll check freshmeat re bell replacements.

RE Pine and using the precompiled binaries--they may, in fact, work. But,
I'm leary particularly of rpms that aren't specifically Redhat, though
using the -iv argument usually keeps nastiness from happening.

Main reason, though, is that I want to increase my efficiency in handling
mail. If I stay weith Pine, and it is the one I know best, the first step,
but only the first step for me, is to change the order of summary
information presented in Pine's index screen. I notice that I often judge
messages by their subject--e.g., I tend not to join read threads about
video programming on my linux lists. So, my first step is to hear this
data sooner. My next step is to give myself a hot key that will copy the
subject into Pine's search, delete and expunge routines so that I can
automate dumping the messages I don't care about. My third step, by the
way, will be to hotkey the gravbbing of email addresses from mail and
adding them to a procmail kill file. I get about a dozen garbage mail adds
daily--sex, get rich quick, etc.

Obviously, I can do these things by hand--but that's time consuming. And,
in my mind, whenever I find myself repeatedly doing the same series of
keyboard procedures, my mind always jumps to the though "automate this,
and simplify your life."

				Janina
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Geoff Shang
wrote:

> Hi:
>
> I've seen a number of bell replacement schemes on freshmeat.net in the
> console/sound section.  Haven't messed with any of them though so I can't
> comment on their effectiveness or lack thereof.
>
> And you have already been told about the pine indexing stuff so I won't
> rehash that.  Question though, why can't you use the precompiled linux
> binaries on your laptop?  Aren't they statically linked?
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net
(202) 408-8175
http://www.afb.org/gov.html


The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:

	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

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Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.

Re: Rolling My Own

[Chris Nestrud]

Change the index-format variable to 'msgno subject fromorto'. This should
change all message indexes to be as you've described. 

Chris

On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> The Pine setup configurations let you choose how the index is listed
> out--as recieved, or the reverse of how messages are recieved, or by
> thread, or by sender, or by a host of features or their reverse. It does
> not let one tweak what summary is presented for each message.
> 
> To put it differently, it lets you tweak the vertical order. But, I want
> to tweak the horizontal order. I want a number to the far left followed by
> the subject and then the sender. There's nothing like this in the Pine
> setup.
>  On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jason Fayre wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > The index format in Pine can be tweaked in the pine setup screen.  I don't
> > remember exactly what the parameter is called, but it is there.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
> > >
> > > Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling applications and
> > > rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've become
> > > somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to take
> > > the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet peaves
> > > with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather than
> > > living with the defaults.
> > >
> > > I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
> > >
> > > 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or whatever) tone
> > > that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the heck
> > > it's called in one programming environment or other. I want something
> > > else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple shell
> > > script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> > > somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> > > substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I suspect
> > > you'll get the idea;
> > >
> > > 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my portable
> > > system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the latest
> > > and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how the
> > > Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order of
> > > summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
> > >
> > > Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
> > >  --
> > >
> > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > janina@afb.net
> > > (202) 408-8175
> > > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> > >
> > >
> > > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> > > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> > >
> > > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > >
> > > Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> > > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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> 
> -- 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> (202) 408-8175
> http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> 
> 
> The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> 
> 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> 
> Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> 
> 
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Re: Rolling My Own

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, yes! This does the trick.

I don't suppose there's anything so neat and simple for "delete and
expunge messages with the same subject"? Guess that one I will have to
roll?

Thanks for solving this one, though. You've just sped up my mail reading
big time! Much obliged.
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Chris Nestrud wrote:

> Change the index-format variable to 'msgno subject fromorto'. This should
> change all message indexes to be as you've described.
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > The Pine setup configurations let you choose how the index is listed
> > out--as recieved, or the reverse of how messages are recieved, or by
> > thread, or by sender, or by a host of features or their reverse. It does
> > not let one tweak what summary is presented for each message.
> >
> > To put it differently, it lets you tweak the vertical order. But, I want
> > to tweak the horizontal order. I want a number to the far left followed by
> > the subject and then the sender. There's nothing like this in the Pine
> > setup.
> >  On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jason Fayre wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > The index format in Pine can be tweaked in the pine setup screen.  I don't
> > > remember exactly what the parameter is called, but it is there.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
> > > >
> > > > Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling applications and
> > > > rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've become
> > > > somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to take
> > > > the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet peaves
> > > > with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather than
> > > > living with the defaults.
> > > >
> > > > I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
> > > >
> > > > 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or whatever) tone
> > > > that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the heck
> > > > it's called in one programming environment or other. I want something
> > > > else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple shell
> > > > script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> > > > somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> > > > substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I suspect
> > > > you'll get the idea;
> > > >
> > > > 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my portable
> > > > system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the latest
> > > > and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how the
> > > > Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order of
> > > > summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
> > > >
> > > > Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >  --
> > > >
> > > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > janina@afb.net
> > > > (202) 408-8175
> > > > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > > > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> > > > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> > > >
> > > > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > >
> > > > Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> > > > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > janina@afb.net
> > (202) 408-8175
> > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> >
> >
> > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> >
> > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

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Re: Rolling My Own

[Ari Moisio]

Janina Sajka 03.01.01:

>I don't suppose there's anything so neat and simple for "delete and
>expunge messages with the same subject"? Guess that one I will have to
>roll?

  There is but not too easy:

  First select (;) baset on text (T) in subject (S). Press ^X to get
current subjetct. When all messages are selected (X in status), press
apply (A) and delete (D).

  This in Pine 4.20. There might be something to change in the setup
screen before A command works, i'm not sure.

HTH


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Re: Rolling My Own

[John Covici]

Well, did you ever use the semi-colon select feature?  If not, enable
it in the config file and take a lookatit.  This may solve your
problem.

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Re: Rolling My Own

[Janina Sajka]

Thanks, John, but I've used the semi-colon feature for years. Regretably,
it doesn't help me copy people's subject lines into the search string,
though. That I have to do by hand, and it is a chore seeing as how lousy
many of us (including me) are at spelling.
 On 4 Jan 2001, John Covici
wrote:

> Well, did you ever use the semi-colon select feature?  If not, enable
> it in the config file and take a lookatit.  This may solve your
> problem.
>
>

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RE: Rolling My Own

[Janina Sajka]

You can delete your message thread in a single command--well almost a
single command. First, use the semi-colon ; to select the messages--in
this case by subject. Then, it's simple -- a for apply, d for delete, and
x to expunge the messages.

When I talk about wanting to do this all in a single keystroke, my main
problem is the part about specifying the search string. Frequently, people
will mistype subjects. So, it is often dificult to type in what I hear
from Speakup, because words will be spelled differently, e.g.

	newbie and newby

Yes, I've seen both of those spellings!
If I can grab the subject and dump it into a routine, I would never care
how someone spells!

Now, I've probably dragged this thread way off the Speakup topic! Begging
pardons.
 On Thu, 4
Jan 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:

> Another question along this vain is can you collapse message threads in Pine
> like you can with MS Outlook? I sort my index by ordersubject (I think
> that's what it is called) so I have the messages grouped together but if
> there is 30 messages for one thread, I cannot tell in advance how many nor
> delete them with a single command such as is mentioned below.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:23 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Rolling My Own
>
>
> Yes, yes! This does the trick.
>
> I don't suppose there's anything so neat and simple for "delete and
> expunge messages with the same subject"? Guess that one I will have to
> roll?
>
> Thanks for solving this one, though. You've just sped up my mail reading
> big time! Much obliged.
>  On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Chris Nestrud wrote:
>
> > Change the index-format variable to 'msgno subject fromorto'. This should
> > change all message indexes to be as you've described.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > The Pine setup configurations let you choose how the index is listed
> > > out--as recieved, or the reverse of how messages are recieved, or by
> > > thread, or by sender, or by a host of features or their reverse. It does
> > > not let one tweak what summary is presented for each message.
> > >
> > > To put it differently, it lets you tweak the vertical order. But, I want
> > > to tweak the horizontal order. I want a number to the far left followed
> by
> > > the subject and then the sender. There's nothing like this in the Pine
> > > setup.
> > >  On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jason Fayre wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > > The index format in Pine can be tweaked in the pine setup screen.  I
> don't
> > > > remember exactly what the parameter is called, but it is there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
> > > > >
> > > > > Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling
> applications and
> > > > > rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've
> become
> > > > > somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to
> take
> > > > > the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet
> peaves
> > > > > with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather
> than
> > > > > living with the defaults.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or
> whatever) tone
> > > > > that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the
> heck
> > > > > it's called in one programming environment or other. I want
> something
> > > > > else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple
> shell
> > > > > script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> > > > > somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> > > > > substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I
> suspect
> > > > > you'll get the idea;
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my
> portable
> > > > > system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the
> latest
> > > > > and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how
> the
> > > > > Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order
> of
> > > > > summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
> > > > >
> > > > > Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > >  --
> > > > >
> > > > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > 				American Foundation for the Blind
> (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > > janina@afb.net
> > > > > (202) 408-8175
> > > > > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > > > > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will
> soon
> > > > > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available
> at:
> > > > >
> > > > > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer
> users.
> > > > > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > janina@afb.net
> > > (202) 408-8175
> > > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> > >
> > >
> > > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> > > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> > >
> > > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > >
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> > > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> > >
> > >
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RE: Rolling My Own

[Holmes, Steve]

Another question along this vain is can you collapse message threads in Pine
like you can with MS Outlook? I sort my index by ordersubject (I think
that's what it is called) so I have the messages grouped together but if
there is 30 messages for one thread, I cannot tell in advance how many nor
delete them with a single command such as is mentioned below.


-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:23 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Rolling My Own


Yes, yes! This does the trick.

I don't suppose there's anything so neat and simple for "delete and
expunge messages with the same subject"? Guess that one I will have to
roll?

Thanks for solving this one, though. You've just sped up my mail reading
big time! Much obliged.
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Chris Nestrud wrote:

> Change the index-format variable to 'msgno subject fromorto'. This should
> change all message indexes to be as you've described.
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > The Pine setup configurations let you choose how the index is listed
> > out--as recieved, or the reverse of how messages are recieved, or by
> > thread, or by sender, or by a host of features or their reverse. It does
> > not let one tweak what summary is presented for each message.
> >
> > To put it differently, it lets you tweak the vertical order. But, I want
> > to tweak the horizontal order. I want a number to the far left followed
by
> > the subject and then the sender. There's nothing like this in the Pine
> > setup.
> >  On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Jason Fayre wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > The index format in Pine can be tweaked in the pine setup screen.  I
don't
> > > remember exactly what the parameter is called, but it is there.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello All -- and Happy New Year to all:
> > > >
> > > > Like many of you, I've become comfortable with compiling
applications and
> > > > rolling out linux kernels with Speakup compiled in. Well, OK, I've
become
> > > > somewhat comfortable with the basics. In other words, I'm ready to
take
> > > > the next tentative step. For me, this means tweaking some of my pet
peaves
> > > > with my computer into behaving like I want them to behave, rather
than
> > > > living with the defaults.
> > > >
> > > > I have two tweaks that I want to put into effect:
> > > >
> > > > 1.)	The system bell stinks, imho. I hate that 1 kHz (or
whatever) tone
> > > > that one gets with Ctrl-G, ASCII char 7, or %BELL, or whatever the
heck
> > > > it's called in one programming environment or other. I want
something
> > > > else. The something else I want I can already effect in a simple
shell
> > > > script. Where and how do I make this the default? I presume this is
> > > > somewhere in the kernel code as a call of some sort that I would
> > > > substitute my own call with. Gak, what terrible grammar, but I
suspect
> > > > you'll get the idea;
> > > >
> > > > 2.)	I intend to keep using Pine. Because I have Caldera on my
portable
> > > > system, I have to compile from sources if I want to upgrade to the
latest
> > > > and greatest. This gives me the opportunity to tweak, hopefully, how
the
> > > > Pine index is displayed. In other words, I want to change the order
of
> > > > summary info Pine will display when a folder's index is on screen;
> > > >
> > > > Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >  --
> > > >
> > > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > 				Technology Research and Development
> > > > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > > > 				American Foundation for the Blind
(AFB)
> > > >
> > > > janina@afb.net
> > > > (202) 408-8175
> > > > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > > > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will
soon
> > > > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available
at:
> > > >
> > > > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > >
> > > > Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer
users.
> > > > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > janina@afb.net
> > (202) 408-8175
> > http://www.afb.org/gov.html
> >
> >
> > The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning
> > achievement of the past millennium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon
> > eclipse it. Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
> >
> > 	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
> > Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

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