What parts of Redhat are modified for the Speakup install

What parts of Redhat are modified for the Speakup install

[Adam Myrow]

Hi.  Although I have a Slackware 8.0 Linux system setup which I am content
with, I'd like to try out Redhat so I can compare it to see why it's so
popular.  I have a friend who has Redhat CDS, but they are the standard
versions as opposed to the modified Speakup versions, and neither of us
have access to high-speed connections.  So my question is, can I use a
Speakup-enabled boot floppy with a standard Redhat CD to install Redhat on
another partition while still preserving Slackware?  Or, do I need the
modified CD to install?  Also, is it just the kernel that's modified, or
is the installer also modified?  Thanks for any info.

Re: What parts of Redhat are modified for the Speakup install

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, the kernel rpms have been modified as well as the boot disks to provide
speech for the installation, and of course the post install.

Well, the reason why Red Hat 7.2 is so popular. I am sure you may get many
different answers on this one so I will say why I use Red Hat as aposed
toSlackware or another distribution.

1. Red Hat comes packed with lots of configuration tools such as sndconfig
for sound cards, linuxconf to configure all sorts of permitions etc, and the
setup configuration wich allows you to configure services, firewalls,
printers, etc.
2. Supports kickstart installations. This feature is most helpful. After
doing your first install a kickstart.cfg file is written into your root
directory containing all your install settings. So Back this up to your boot
diskette, and you can use that file to reinstall Red Hat without ever having
to go through the install prompts again.
3. X server configuration is much easier to configure than in other
distributions I have tried.
4. Red Hat is widely recognized in the business world as the Linux of
choice, and I feel it adds more qualafications if you can say I know Red Hat
rather than some distribution not as widely known.
5. Cause Red Hat is so widely known you are more likely to find a binary
installer in rpm format for a program you are looking for. As aposed to
having to build from source.
6. And 7.2 comes with a program called kudzu which tries to plug and play
your hardware, and insert it into your configuration. If you don't like this
activity you can simply turn it off in your services.

----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Myrow <myrow@eskimo.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:44 PM
Subject: What parts of Redhat are modified for the Speakup install


> Hi.  Although I have a Slackware 8.0 Linux system setup which I am content
> with, I'd like to try out Redhat so I can compare it to see why it's so
> popular.  I have a friend who has Redhat CDS, but they are the standard
> versions as opposed to the modified Speakup versions, and neither of us
> have access to high-speed connections.  So my question is, can I use a
> Speakup-enabled boot floppy with a standard Redhat CD to install Redhat on
> another partition while still preserving Slackware?  Or, do I need the
> modified CD to install?  Also, is it just the kernel that's modified, or
> is the installer also modified?  Thanks for any info.
>
>
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: What parts of Redhat are modified for the Speakup install

[Gregory Nowak]

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 10:43:38PM -0500, Thomas Ward wrote:
> 4. Red Hat is widely recognized in the business world as the Linux of
> choice, and I feel it adds more qualafications if you can say I know Red Hat
> rather than some distribution not as widely known.
Aha, guess I was right to maintain that redhat was too comercialized for my taste.
Greg

Re: What parts of Redhat are modified for the Speakup install

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

Hi,

     If you use the Talking boot-floppy with the standard disks,  You can 
install with speech provided you don't insert the CD until it's asked for, 
but when you're done, you won't have speech.  The reason is that Rh uses a 
different kernel for installation from the one that winds up getting 
installed.  
In order to make the SPeakup keymaps available, the console-tools and 
anaconda packages are modified.  Anaconda is the installer.




          HTH.
          Bill


On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:

> Hi.  Although I have a Slackware 8.0 Linux system setup which I am content
> with, I'd like to try out Redhat so I can compare it to see why it's so
> popular.  I have a friend who has Redhat CDS, but they are the standard
> versions as opposed to the modified Speakup versions, and neither of us
> have access to high-speed connections.  So my question is, can I use a
> Speakup-enabled boot floppy with a standard Redhat CD to install Redhat on
> another partition while still preserving Slackware?  Or, do I need the
> modified CD to install?  Also, is it just the kernel that's modified, or
> is the installer also modified?  Thanks for any info.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: What parts of Redhat are modified for the Speakup install

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

At the risk of starting a distro war ...

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> 1. Red Hat comes packed with lots of configuration tools such as sndconfig
> for sound cards, linuxconf to configure all sorts of permitions etc, and the
> setup configuration wich allows you to configure services, firewalls,
> printers, etc.

This is OK, providing they do what they're meant to.  A setup program has
the power to make a big mess or problems that can be hard to diagnose
because you don't know what it did to begin with.  I've lost count of the
number of times I've heard people whinge about linuxconf which, by the way,
is also packaged with Debian.

> 4. Red Hat is widely recognized in the business world as the Linux of
> choice, and I feel it adds more qualafications if you can say I know Red Hat
> rather than some distribution not as widely known.

Depends who you ask.  Redhat certainly has the highest profile of any linux
distribution, but most if not all admins I've met who've had exposure to
more than just redhat would disagree with this statement.  Most well-known
does not equal best, look at windows.

While we're listing the strengths of distributions, I'll just mention
Debian's automatic dependancy tracking, ability to easily upgrade online,
thorough bug tracking and testing procedures and it's fully supported by
its users ... well it *is* its users.  And I think it runs on more
platforms than any other distribution.

Geoff.

installing debian using speakup

[Angelo Sonnesso]

How do you get Debian installed with speech?
I found two files on the speakup site.
A root, and a rescue, but I didn't find a boot image.
I have the Debian cdroms>
I also have the Slackware 8 cdroms, and I have installed Slackware with no
difficulty.
I believe that I would like to try Debian, because I understand that Debian
has many packages available, and the ability to track dependencies is a
powerful feature.
So does anyone have any advice?

Re: installing debian using speakup

[Kirk Wood]

Easiest my roommie and I found are to download the CD image from speakup
and boot from that.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.

Re: installing debian using speakup

[Terry Cudney]

Hi,

	Kirk's suggestion, below, is good if your machine will boot from a CDROM. If it won't, then you can use the 'rescue.bin' and 'root.bin' files to create floppy images from which to boot. Once booted, withthe 'root' filesystem mounted using the command 'linux speakup_synth=your_synth_name' atthe boot prompt, you can continue with the setup/installation from the contents of the CDROM.

		Go to www.linux-speakup.org, choose "Download Software" then choose "Debian Installatin". The instructions are there. The iso image and floppy images are there. There's a reference to the excellent instrucional on installing Debian from the Debian website itself. If you read/follow the instructions there, you won't go wrong.

HTH,
	--terry
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-=> Easiest my roommie and I found are to download the CD image from speakup
-=> and boot from that.
-=>
-=> =======
-=> Kirk Wood
-=> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
-=>
-=> Nowlan's Theory:
-=>         He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
-=>         the next freeway exit.
Name:	Terry D. Cudney
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