initializing speakup

initializing speakup

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Initializing speakup (or reinitializing it) is so simple from a
shell prompt that it probably is not worth making it a speakup
builtin feature. With a little preparation first, which I will
explain in a moment, it can be done with a command like this (the
"-R" is upper case):

cp -R /etc/speakup /proc

You could further simplify that command by creating a very short
script or even using an alias.

The preparation involves first creating an appropriate
/etc/speakup directory that can just be copied wholesale into
/proc/speakup, but that only needs to be done once. Here is how I
did it:

First, issue the following command:

cp -R /proc/speakup /etc

Now you have an exact copy under /etc/speakup of what started out
in /proc/speakup, but there is more to do. The problem is that
some of the "files" under /proc/speakup are read-only and others
are read-write, and you have to find out which is which and
eliminate the read-only elements under /etc/speakup. Once you do
that, the command I gave earlier is ready to go.

I have included the initialization command in my rc.local file
and also in /etc/profile. This may sound redundant, but there
have been times when putting it only in rc.local has failed to
work because the synth was busy speaking bootup messages when the
command was executed. The repetition in /etc/profile is
insurance, and it also lets me reinitialize the synth each time I
log into a new account, or reenter once I have been using.

Chuck


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Re: initializing speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

That's a grate idea, and it saves Kirk and others coding time and effort better spent elsewhere.
Greg


On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 06:25:23AM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> Initializing speakup (or reinitializing it) is so simple from a
> shell prompt that it probably is not worth making it a speakup
> builtin feature. With a little preparation first, which I will
> explain in a moment, it can be done with a command like this (the
> "-R" is upper case):
> 
> cp -R /etc/speakup /proc
> 
> You could further simplify that command by creating a very short
> script or even using an alias.
> 
> The preparation involves first creating an appropriate
> /etc/speakup directory that can just be copied wholesale into
> /proc/speakup, but that only needs to be done once. Here is how I
> did it:
> 
> First, issue the following command:
> 
> cp -R /proc/speakup /etc
> 
> Now you have an exact copy under /etc/speakup of what started out
> in /proc/speakup, but there is more to do. The problem is that
> some of the "files" under /proc/speakup are read-only and others
> are read-write, and you have to find out which is which and
> eliminate the read-only elements under /etc/speakup. Once you do
> that, the command I gave earlier is ready to go.
> 
> I have included the initialization command in my rc.local file
> and also in /etc/profile. This may sound redundant, but there
> have been times when putting it only in rc.local has failed to
> work because the synth was busy speaking bootup messages when the
> command was executed. The repetition in /etc/profile is
> insurance, and it also lets me reinitialize the synth each time I
> log into a new account, or reenter once I have been using.
> 
> Chuck
> 
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Re: initializing speakup

[Janina Sajka]

Chuck:

I have come to the same conclusion about speakup initialization, but with 
a twist. Because I use more than one synth at one time or another, I think 
it useful to create synth specific directories in /etc/speakup, e.g. 
/etc/speakup/ltlk, /etc/speakup/bns, etc. I have not implemented this yet, 
though, because I'm not quite smart enough yet with shell scripts to read 
in the value of /proc/synth and use that value to trigger sourcing the 
appropriate subdirectory of /etc/speakup. I know it's not a rocket science 
level of bash scripting to do that, I just haven't gotten there yet.

My second suggestion relates to where to put the script/alias. I would 
think it belongs in /home/$USER/.bash_profile. That way, the machine can 
be shared with folks in the household/office who don't use speech, and it 
can be accessed across the net (as I do with my notebook at home from my 
workstation at my office) without triggering the chatter and scarring the 
cleaning lady.


 On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Charles 
Hallenbeck wrote:

> Initializing speakup (or reinitializing it) is so simple from a
> shell prompt that it probably is not worth making it a speakup
> builtin feature. With a little preparation first, which I will
> explain in a moment, it can be done with a command like this (the
> "-R" is upper case):
> 
> cp -R /etc/speakup /proc
> 
> You could further simplify that command by creating a very short
> script or even using an alias.
> 
> The preparation involves first creating an appropriate
> /etc/speakup directory that can just be copied wholesale into
> /proc/speakup, but that only needs to be done once. Here is how I
> did it:
> 
> First, issue the following command:
> 
> cp -R /proc/speakup /etc
> 
> Now you have an exact copy under /etc/speakup of what started out
> in /proc/speakup, but there is more to do. The problem is that
> some of the "files" under /proc/speakup are read-only and others
> are read-write, and you have to find out which is which and
> eliminate the read-only elements under /etc/speakup. Once you do
> that, the command I gave earlier is ready to go.
> 
> I have included the initialization command in my rc.local file
> and also in /etc/profile. This may sound redundant, but there
> have been times when putting it only in rc.local has failed to
> work because the synth was busy speaking bootup messages when the
> command was executed. The repetition in /etc/profile is
> insurance, and it also lets me reinitialize the synth each time I
> log into a new account, or reenter once I have been using.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 

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Re: initializing speakup

[Geoff Shang]

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> /etc/speakup/ltlk, /etc/speakup/bns, etc. I have not implemented this yet,
> though, because I'm not quite smart enough yet with shell scripts to read
> in the value of /proc/synth and use that value to trigger sourcing the
> appropriate subdirectory of /etc/speakup.

This is easy.  You can just use the output of "cat /proc/speakup/synth" in
your directory string as follows:

cp /etc/speakup/`cat /proc/speakup/synth` /proc/speakup

I love that command syntax.

Geoff.

Re: initializing speakup

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, that is elegant syntax. Thanks.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Geoff Shang wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > /etc/speakup/ltlk, /etc/speakup/bns, etc. I have not implemented this yet,
> > though, because I'm not quite smart enough yet with shell scripts to read
> > in the value of /proc/synth and use that value to trigger sourcing the
> > appropriate subdirectory of /etc/speakup.
> 
> This is easy.  You can just use the output of "cat /proc/speakup/synth" in
> your directory string as follows:
> 
> cp /etc/speakup/`cat /proc/speakup/synth` /proc/speakup
> 
> I love that command syntax.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Re: initializing speakup

[Janina Sajka]

One more suggestion for refinement:

I believe creating an alias for speakup initialization is the most useful 
way to go. Here's why:

You can create the alias in whatever file you use, and then execute there 
as well. The benefit is that you then also have a simple command you can 
type anytime to reinitialize should you goof up settings as you work, or 
should the synth die mysteriously (as my old litetalk does far too often)!

 
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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Re: initializing speakup

[Charles Hallenbeck]

You could call the alias "shapeup"!

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Janina Sajka wrote:

> One more suggestion for refinement:
>
> I believe creating an alias for speakup initialization is the most useful
> way to go. Here's why:
>
> You can create the alias in whatever file you use, and then execute there
> as well. The benefit is that you then also have a simple command you can
> type anytime to reinitialize should you goof up settings as you work, or
> should the synth die mysteriously (as my old litetalk does far too often)!
>
>
>

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Re: initializing speakup

[Kirk Wood]

Charles,

Perhaps if you already have a script to do the initialization again you
could post it. Then others can benefit from your work and call you great.

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Re: initializing speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

He already posted it, or at least, the instructions on how to create it which are easy to follow.
Greg


On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 12:26:46PM -0600, Kirk Wood wrote:
> Charles,
> 
> Perhaps if you already have a script to do the initialization again you
> could post it. Then others can benefit from your work and call you great.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> Nowlan's Theory:
>         He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
>         the next freeway exit.
> 
> 
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Re: initializing speakup

[Kirk Wood]

]On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> He already posted it, or at least, the instructions on how to create it
> which are easy to follow.

He gave instrutions which are easy for people familiar with scripts to
follow. To assume that all will find it easy is a big leap.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nowlan's Theory:
        He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
        the next freeway exit.

Re: initializing speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

Then maybe people not familar with bash scripting should get familar to get the most mileage out of bash.
Greg


On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 05:53:57PM -0600, Kirk Wood wrote:
> ]On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > He already posted it, or at least, the instructions on how to create it
> > which are easy to follow.
> 
> He gave instrutions which are easy for people familiar with scripts to
> follow. To assume that all will find it easy is a big leap.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> Nowlan's Theory:
>         He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from
>         the next freeway exit.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: initializing speakup

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Gregory Nowak said the following on Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:09:58PM -0600:
> Then maybe people not familar with bash scripting should get familar to get the most mileage out of bash.
> Greg

I disagree here.  Just because one person may be good at bash scripting
and another one at perl scripting is no reason to assume everyone is.
Also, some people are very new to Linux in general so sample scripts
would be very helpful.  I personally have learned a lot from code
examples rather than just reading about it.  I do agree that someone
should read up on what they want to learn but what if reading what you
want to do involves listening to very slow speech.  Having the script
code example would allow you to get started faster and you can learn the
specifics on what makes that code work.

Just my opinion.

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Re: initializing speakup

[Gregory Nowak]

Yeah, that's a good point too.
Greg


On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 03:16:38PM -0600, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
> Gregory Nowak said the following on Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 11:09:58PM -0600:
> > Then maybe people not familar with bash scripting should get familar to get the most mileage out of bash.
> > Greg
> 
> I disagree here.  Just because one person may be good at bash scripting
> and another one at perl scripting is no reason to assume everyone is.
> Also, some people are very new to Linux in general so sample scripts
> would be very helpful.  I personally have learned a lot from code
> examples rather than just reading about it.  I do agree that someone
> should read up on what they want to learn but what if reading what you
> want to do involves listening to very slow speech.  Having the script
> code example would allow you to get started faster and you can learn the
> specifics on what makes that code work.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
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