2.4.13 Kernel Woes

2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Steve Holmes]

Has anyone experienced any problems with the 2.4.13 kernel? I will list
out the steps I took today and explain what went wrong.
1. Untarred a 2.4.9 kernel source I had here to start with.
2. placed all the patches: 2.4.10, 11, 12 and 13 into /usr/src directory.
3. Ran linux/scripts/patch-kernel; so far, so good - all patches took.
4. Had latest version of speakup 1.00 ready to go in its appropriate
directory under /usr/src and ran ./install from inside there - went fine.
5. Did a "make oldconfig" with the .config file I previously used for a
successful 2.4.12 compile.
6. I did get prompted for speech related info again; thought that info
would have stuck from previous configuration <HMMM>.
7. Did the usual make bzImage and make modules followed by modules_install
- no errors.
8. Placed the vmlinuz file and System.map in the usual places and ran
lilo. OK.
9. Rebooted the machine, got a lilo prompt like normal but when I chose
this kernel image, it hanged! I had to power down and restart to continue.
I never could get 2.4.13 to talk or do anything else.

I fell back to 2.4.12 kernel images I had on a floppy (Thank God) and my
machine is running fine.

Sorry for such a long winded thing here but am wondering why a simple
upgrade from 2.4.12 to 2.4.13 would cause such a problem?

I also noticed that System.map grew from 400K to over 600K and thus will
no longer fit on a floppy with the 900K + kernel. Thought that a bit odd
too.

Any ideas out there?

Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Tony Baechler]

Hello.  Well, I feel better now.  I had similar problems.  Somehow all my
config settings got reset.  I also had to go back to 2.4.12.  I am glad to
know I did not do something wrong.

Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Kirk Wood]

I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
changes in Speakup.

I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
	- President George Bush

RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Steve Holmes]

make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly patched
kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some bad
patches or something.  But the thought of running through make config all
over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel compiles. I
was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper after
> applying those patches.
>
> Gena
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
>
>
> I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
> kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
> a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
> changes in Speakup.
>
> I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
> seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> 	- President George Bush
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Georgina]

Hi

I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper after
applying those patches.

Gena
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes


I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
changes in Speakup.

I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
	- President George Bush


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RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Georgina]

Hi

Surely there's nothing stopping you copying your config file into the linux
directory after the mrproper and running your old config.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
Sent: 04 November 2001 15:34
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes


make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly patched
kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some bad
patches or something.  But the thought of running through make config all
over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel compiles. I
was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:

> Hi
>
> I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper
after
> applying those patches.
>
> Gena
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
>
>
> I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
> kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
> a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
> changes in Speakup.
>
> I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
> seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> 	- President George Bush
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>


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RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Steve Holmes]

But apparently make oldconfig is not yielding the desired results with
2.4.13. On two different machines now, the .config used for previous
compiles of 2.4.12 were passed into 13 with oldconfig and came up with
dead kernels on both machines here. When I heard other comments about
configs being reset or something, makes me wonder if I need to do the
whole bloody make config from scratch to get better results.

On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:

> Hi
>
> Surely there's nothing stopping you copying your config file into the linux
> directory after the mrproper and running your old config.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> Sent: 04 November 2001 15:34
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
>
>
> make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly patched
> kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some bad
> patches or something.  But the thought of running through make config all
> over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel compiles. I
> was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).
>
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper
> after
> > applying those patches.
> >
> > Gena
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> > Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> >
> >
> > I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
> > kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
> > a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
> > changes in Speakup.
> >
> > I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
> > seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> > 	- President George Bush
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Shaun Oliver]

more than likely Steve from what I've seen on the list here.
On Mon, 5 Nov
2001, Steve Holmes wrote:

> But apparently make oldconfig is not yielding the desired results with
> 2.4.13. On two different machines now, the .config used for previous
> compiles of 2.4.12 were passed into 13 with oldconfig and came up with
> dead kernels on both machines here. When I heard other comments about
> configs being reset or something, makes me wonder if I need to do the
> whole bloody make config from scratch to get better results.
> 
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > Surely there's nothing stopping you copying your config file into the linux
> > directory after the mrproper and running your old config.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> > Sent: 04 November 2001 15:34
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> >
> >
> > make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly patched
> > kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some bad
> > patches or something.  But the thought of running through make config all
> > over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel compiles. I
> > was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).
> >
> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper
> > after
> > > applying those patches.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> > > Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > >
> > >
> > > I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
> > > kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
> > > a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
> > > changes in Speakup.
> > >
> > > I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
> > > seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> > > 	- President George Bush
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
Shaun Oliver.

"We realize we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
to discuss it with our staff."
email: shauno@goanna.net.au
ICQ: 76958435

RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Adam Myrow]

Oddly, I had no trouble with "make oldconfig" with 2.4.13.  Interesting!

Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Gregory Nowak]

Just to add my comments here, I backuped my /usr/src/linux/.config for 2.4.12.
I then blew that tree away, and unpacked a fresh 2.4.13 tree. I patched this with peakup 1.00.
I ran make mrproper, make clean, and moved .config to /usr/src/linux/.config.
Then I went through all the usual compiling steps including make oldconfig with no problems, and
got a perfectly running kernel. Have you tried using a fresh
2.4.13 tree as opposed to a patched one Steve?
Greg


On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:41:33PM +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> more than likely Steve from what I've seen on the list here.
> On Mon, 5 Nov
> 2001, Steve Holmes wrote:
> 
> > But apparently make oldconfig is not yielding the desired results with
> > 2.4.13. On two different machines now, the .config used for previous
> > compiles of 2.4.12 were passed into 13 with oldconfig and came up with
> > dead kernels on both machines here. When I heard other comments about
> > configs being reset or something, makes me wonder if I need to do the
> > whole bloody make config from scratch to get better results.
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Surely there's nothing stopping you copying your config file into the linux
> > > directory after the mrproper and running your old config.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> > > Sent: 04 November 2001 15:34
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > >
> > >
> > > make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly patched
> > > kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some bad
> > > patches or something.  But the thought of running through make config all
> > > over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel compiles. I
> > > was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).
> > >
> > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper
> > > after
> > > > applying those patches.
> > > >
> > > > Gena
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> > > > Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
> > > > kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
> > > > a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
> > > > changes in Speakup.
> > > >
> > > > I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
> > > > seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
> > > >
> > > > =======
> > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > >
> > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> > > > 	- President George Bush
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Shaun Oliver.
> 
> "We realize we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
> to discuss it with our staff."
> email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> ICQ: 76958435
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Steve Holmes]

Not so far, I found 4 patch files to be much smaller than a brand new
kernel tar ball for 2.4.13. That is a possible alternative. Yes, I do have
the config file I used 2.4.12 available; that's the whole point here, to
avoid redoing the whole config thing manually again. Wonder if one of them
patches is bad or something. Fortunately, download speeds have been good
lately so maybe I'll try downloading a 2.4.13 tar.gz and use that rather
than the consecutive patches from 2.4.9 thru 2.4.13.

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Just to add my comments here, I backuped my /usr/src/linux/.config for 2.4.12.
> I then blew that tree away, and unpacked a fresh 2.4.13 tree. I patched this with peakup 1.00.
> I ran make mrproper, make clean, and moved .config to /usr/src/linux/.config.
> Then I went through all the usual compiling steps including make oldconfig with no problems, and
> got a perfectly running kernel. Have you tried using a fresh
> 2.4.13 tree as opposed to a patched one Steve?
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:41:33PM +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > more than likely Steve from what I've seen on the list here.
> > On Mon, 5 Nov
> > 2001, Steve Holmes wrote:
> >
> > > But apparently make oldconfig is not yielding the desired results with
> > > 2.4.13. On two different machines now, the .config used for previous
> > > compiles of 2.4.12 were passed into 13 with oldconfig and came up with
> > > dead kernels on both machines here. When I heard other comments about
> > > configs being reset or something, makes me wonder if I need to do the
> > > whole bloody make config from scratch to get better results.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Surely there's nothing stopping you copying your config file into the linux
> > > > directory after the mrproper and running your old config.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> > > > Sent: 04 November 2001 15:34
> > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly patched
> > > > kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some bad
> > > > patches or something.  But the thought of running through make config all
> > > > over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel compiles. I
> > > > was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper
> > > > after
> > > > > applying those patches.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gena
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> > > > > Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
> > > > > kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
> > > > > a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
> > > > > changes in Speakup.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
> > > > > seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
> > > > >
> > > > > =======
> > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > >
> > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> > > > > 	- President George Bush
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Shaun Oliver.
> >
> > "We realize we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
> > to discuss it with our staff."
> > email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> > ICQ: 76958435
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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>

Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Gregory Nowak]

I would recommend getting a tar.bz2 file instead since it's smaller.
Greg


On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 02:49:20PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Not so far, I found 4 patch files to be much smaller than a brand new
> kernel tar ball for 2.4.13. That is a possible alternative. Yes, I do have
> the config file I used 2.4.12 available; that's the whole point here, to
> avoid redoing the whole config thing manually again. Wonder if one of them
> patches is bad or something. Fortunately, download speeds have been good
> lately so maybe I'll try downloading a 2.4.13 tar.gz and use that rather
> than the consecutive patches from 2.4.9 thru 2.4.13.
> 
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > Just to add my comments here, I backuped my /usr/src/linux/.config for 2.4.12.
> > I then blew that tree away, and unpacked a fresh 2.4.13 tree. I patched this with peakup 1.00.
> > I ran make mrproper, make clean, and moved .config to /usr/src/linux/.config.
> > Then I went through all the usual compiling steps including make oldconfig with no problems, and
> > got a perfectly running kernel. Have you tried using a fresh
> > 2.4.13 tree as opposed to a patched one Steve?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 11:41:33PM +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > > more than likely Steve from what I've seen on the list here.
> > > On Mon, 5 Nov
> > > 2001, Steve Holmes wrote:
> > >
> > > > But apparently make oldconfig is not yielding the desired results with
> > > > 2.4.13. On two different machines now, the .config used for previous
> > > > compiles of 2.4.12 were passed into 13 with oldconfig and came up with
> > > > dead kernels on both machines here. When I heard other comments about
> > > > configs being reset or something, makes me wonder if I need to do the
> > > > whole bloody make config from scratch to get better results.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Surely there's nothing stopping you copying your config file into the linux
> > > > > directory after the mrproper and running your old config.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> > > > > Sent: 04 November 2001 15:34
> > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly patched
> > > > > kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some bad
> > > > > patches or something.  But the thought of running through make config all
> > > > > over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel compiles. I
> > > > > was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make mrproper
> > > > > after
> > > > > > applying those patches.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gena
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> > > > > > Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> > > > > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the latest
> > > > > > kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it could be
> > > > > > a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make small
> > > > > > changes in Speakup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold config
> > > > > > seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =======
> > > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > > > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> > > > > > 	- President George Bush
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shaun Oliver.
> > >
> > > "We realize we have a problem with communication. However, we're not going
> > > to discuss it with our staff."
> > > email: shauno@goanna.net.au
> > > ICQ: 76958435
> > >
> > >
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Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Tony Baechler]

Hello.  I tried both patching the source tree and downloading it fresh.  I
did not do "make clean" (maybe that was my problem?) but I did do "make
mrproper" and copied the .config back.  I did "make oldconfig" and had to
answer the Speakup questions again.  I thought that was odd so I checked
some random settings.  Everything looked reset, so I tried "make
menuconfig" just in case.  I checked again and yes, it looked like I would
have to start from scratch.  I compiled with the usual steps.  The kernel
boots but not much else.  No network, no sound, and not much of anything.
I gave up.  Yes, I used the new Speakup as well.

tar.bz2 (was: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes)

[Tony Baechler]

Hello.  Not to be picky here, but just a reminder that generally tar.bz2
files are smaller.  I assume you are using dial-up, but even with cable I
found the bz2 files to be smaller enough to get a better download speed.
I suppose if you do not have bunzip2 you would need the gzip file, but I
have seen the kernel size decerase by about 2-3 mb using the bzip2 format.
Again, not to be picky here but bzip2 seems to be emerging as the new
standard and even a few bytes helps with dial-up.

Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Steve Holmes]

Actually, I just fetched a new 2.4.13 tar ball this morning and untarred
it, installed speakup in the usual manner, did a make oldconfig with my
previous .config and I got only one prompt; something about an acp wave
modem which I promptly answered "no" to. It is compiling in the background
while I write.

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Hello.  I tried both patching the source tree and downloading it fresh.  I
> did not do "make clean" (maybe that was my problem?) but I did do "make
> mrproper" and copied the .config back.  I did "make oldconfig" and had to
> answer the Speakup questions again.  I thought that was odd so I checked
> some random settings.  Everything looked reset, so I tried "make
> menuconfig" just in case.  I checked again and yes, it looked like I would
> have to start from scratch.  I compiled with the usual steps.  The kernel
> boots but not much else.  No network, no sound, and not much of anything.
> I gave up.  Yes, I used the new Speakup as well.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes

[Dawes, Stephen]

Steve,

I to have had similar problems building 2.4.13, but the good news is
that I finally beet that dead horse until I got it to work!  

No, you do not need to start from scratch!!!
Here is what I did, and it worked for me.  However, I will qualify, that
I still need to tweak a few things, but it is working.
I went to a compile of 2.4.9, which was part of my RedHat 7.2 install
and:
1.  cd into the /usr/src/linux/config directory
2. cp <config file> /usr/src/linux-2.4.13/.config 
<config file> is the linux-2.4.x-i<architecture>.config  <architecture
is the i386 i486 i586 i686... processor class of your> machine>
<I am using /usr/src/linux-2.4.13 as a generic path, use what ever you
have named the 2.4.13 directory>
3. make oldconfig <and answer any questions that need answering>
4. make menuconfig to make any necessary fine tuning.
5. do a make oldconfig again.  There are those who believe that is not
necessary, but it eliminates any problems that maybe caused by make
menuconfig, and I have encountered this problem in the past, and so my
caution.
6.  make dep --> and the rest of the compiling steps, and you are off to
the races.

good luck!

Steve Dawes
PH:  (403) 268-5527. 
MailTo:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca 




-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Oliver [mailto:shauno@goanna.net.au]
Sent: 2001 November 05 5:42 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes


more than likely Steve from what I've seen on the list here.
On Mon, 5 Nov
2001, Steve Holmes wrote:

> But apparently make oldconfig is not yielding the desired results with
> 2.4.13. On two different machines now, the .config used for previous
> compiles of 2.4.12 were passed into 13 with oldconfig and came up with
> dead kernels on both machines here. When I heard other comments about
> configs being reset or something, makes me wonder if I need to do the
> whole bloody make config from scratch to get better results.
> 
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > Surely there's nothing stopping you copying your config file into
the linux
> > directory after the mrproper and running your old config.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Holmes
> > Sent: 04 November 2001 15:34
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: RE: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> >
> >
> > make mrproper cleans things up really well but with a freshly
patched
> > kernel source tree that shouldn't be necessary unless you have some
bad
> > patches or something.  But the thought of running through make
config all
> > over again <yuck>! That is my least favorite part of kernel
compiles. I
> > was really getting to love "make oldconfig":).
> >
> > On Sun, 4 Nov 2001, Georgina wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'm no expert but I thought that you also needed to do a make
mrproper
> > after
> > > applying those patches.
> > >
> > > Gena
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Kirk Wood
> > > Sent: 04 November 2001 12:52
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: 2.4.13 Kernel Woes
> > >
> > >
> > > I would suggest that you make sure you have the speakup for the
latest
> > > kernel series first. As for the configuration people mention, it
could be
> > > a result of the kernel changes that have mandated Kirk R make
small
> > > changes in Speakup.
> > >
> > > I would also consider running a whole new config if the makeold
config
> > > seemed to give unpredictable results and then had some failure.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be
decisive."
> > > 	- President George Bush
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
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> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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> >
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-- 
Shaun Oliver.

"We realize we have a problem with communication. However, we're not
going
to discuss it with our staff."
email: shauno@goanna.net.au
ICQ: 76958435


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