Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely 
unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning 
that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to 
this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could 
be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk 
says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning 
tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem 
whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within 
Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows partition?  Better 
still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they create me 
a boot disk image?



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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gregory Nowak]

Are you absolutely sure
the drive you're trying to partition is in fact
/dev/hdc and not /dev/hda for example?
If you have a fresh unpartioned drive in your box, then I don't
see why cfdisk would give you a problem with it.
Greg


On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely 
> unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning 
> that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to 
> this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could 
> be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk 
> says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning 
> tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem 
> whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within 
> Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows partition?  Better 
> still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they create me 
> a boot disk image?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards, Gordon Smith.
> 
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gregory Nowak]

I forgot to ask if you're specifying to cfdisk
that you want to work with the /dev/hdc drive?
By default, cfdisk uses /dev/hda for all operations.
To specify the drive, simply do "cfdisk hdc" for example.
Greg


On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely 
> unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning 
> that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to 
> this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could 
> be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk 
> says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning 
> tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem 
> whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within 
> Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows partition?  Better 
> still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they create me 
> a boot disk image?
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards, Gordon Smith.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> "mailto:Gordon Smith <gordon@tft-bbs.co.uk"
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Frank Carmickle]

that would be
fdisk /dev/hdc

On Sat, 15 Sep 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> I forgot to ask if you're specifying to cfdisk
> that you want to work with the /dev/hdc drive?
> By default, cfdisk uses /dev/hda for all operations.
> To specify the drive, simply do "cfdisk hdc" for example.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely 
> > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning 
> > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to 
> > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could 
> > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk 
> > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning 
> > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem 
> > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within 
> > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows partition?  Better 
> > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they create me 
> > a boot disk image?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kind regards, Gordon Smith.
> > 
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
   The third drive? That isn't really how linux does things. Where is it connected to? Primary master/slave or secondary master/slave? This is important, as linux doesn't go in a drive1, drive2,and drive3 manner. INstead, it goes like this:
/dev/hda, /dev/hdb: primary master, primary slave
/dev/hdc, /dev/hdd: secondary master, secondary slave
etc. In fact, usually /dev/hdc is used by an IDE cdrom. Try this command on the boot disk to find out where the drive is:
dmesg | grep -i hd
   You'll see your first drive found as hda, the the second hard drive will be found somewhere. Note this will also tell you where your cdrom resides. Not having permission to write to a drive usually occurrs when trying to partition a read-only media drive, like a cdrom.

HTH


On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely 
> unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning 
> that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to 
> this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could 
> be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk 
> says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning 
> tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem 
> whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within 
> Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows partition?  Better 
> still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they create me 
> a boot disk image?

Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Saqib Shaikh]

Hello there Gordan,

This is Saqib Shaikh; I wrote the Speakup documentation that comes with
Slackware.  Firstly I agree that SuSE did something very good by including a
braille screen reader within their distribution.  However, there are a few
points to bear in mind:
1.  You have 7 CDs and a DVD but there is only half a CD of console apps!
Most of the extra stuff, like VMWare demo, StarOffice, RealPlayer, Adobe
Acrobat and the list goes on, are only accessible through X.  I still think
SuSE is a good distro, but also remember that SuSE started off as Slackware
with RPM support, and then they began adding lots of X stuff.  In short
Slackware is good especially to start off with.  In terms of partitioning
your hard disk have you tried:
cfdisk /dev/hdc
That is pass the disk name as a parameter.
Email again if you require further info.

Saqib

Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Saqib Shaikh]

Ok, as for newbie docs:
www.slackware.com
holds a good book which is an excellent way just to learn linux, regardless
of distribution.
www.dsl.org/
contains the Linux CookBook, another really good EBook.
finally, try linuxdoc.org for the traditional howtos/faqs/guides.
Saqib

Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

I have 5 drives in my box, and the drive I'm trying to use is drive # 
3.  Which would, as I understand it, be /dev/hdc.  Suse see it, and will 
use it just fine.  Slackware, on the other hand, doesn't want to know.

At 20:10 15/09/01 -0500, Gregory Nowak said:
>Are you absolutely sure
>the drive you're trying to partition is in fact
>/dev/hdc and not /dev/hda for example?
>If you have a fresh unpartioned drive in your box, then I don't
>see why cfdisk would give you a problem with it.
>Greg
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely
> > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning
> > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to
> > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could
> > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk
> > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning
> > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem
> > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within
> > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows 
> partition?  Better
> > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they 
> create me
> > a boot disk image?
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards, Gordon Smith.
> >
> > 
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> >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Yeah, I tried all that.  Just comes back and tells me I don't have 
permission to write to that drive.  FDisk tells me there are no free 
sectors, when the drive has no partitions on it at all, is 100% free, in 
other words.

At 20:12 15/09/01 -0500, Gregory Nowak said:
>I forgot to ask if you're specifying to cfdisk
>that you want to work with the /dev/hdc drive?
>By default, cfdisk uses /dev/hda for all operations.
>To specify the drive, simply do "cfdisk hdc" for example.
>Greg
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely
> > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning
> > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to
> > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could
> > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk
> > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning
> > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem
> > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within
> > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows 
> partition?  Better
> > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they 
> create me
> > a boot disk image?
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards, Gordon Smith.
> >
> > 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > "mailto:Gordon Smith <07932634539@one2one.net"
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> > ftp://ftp.tft-bbs.org.uk
> >
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> > MSN Messenger:  gordon@tft-bbs.co.uk
> >
> > Tel.:  +44 7932 634 539
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> >
> >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Frank Carmickle]

Hi Gordon

You didn't say you had two controllers.  That makes life a bit different.  
First off the kernel needs to have support build in for your second
controller.  well really your third and fourth controller most likely.  I
do believe that slackware has support for the promise controllers built in
to the bare.i boot disk.  If not this could be a bit of a problem assuming
that is the kind of controller you have.  In either case it is probable
that the drive that is in question is really /dev/hde.

If you need anymore help just call or write.  It could get a little tricky
to set this up and boot off of that drive.  Unless your thinking of
booting from a floppy the lilo config to boot this setup will prove to be a
learning experience for you.

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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi.  The layout of my system is a little strange, this was necessary.  It is:
Drive 1 = primary master
CD-ROM = primary slave
Drive 2 = ATA100 primary master
Drive 3 = ATA100 Primary Slave
Drive 4=ATA100 Secondary Master
Drive 5 = ATA100 Secondary slave

I have the 3 boot devices configured in my BIOS as Floppy, HD0, (Primary 
Master), and HD3, (ATA100 Primary Slave).  Perhaps the reason it works with 
SuSE is that the installer is graphical, and it's just a case of clicking 
buttons.  So, based on your suggestion below, it may be that what I am 
calling /dev/hdc is in reality not /dev/hdc.  Hadn't occured to me 
actually, so thanks for that tip.

At 01:55 16/09/01 -0400, Jacob Schmude said:
>Hi
>    The third drive? That isn't really how linux does things. Where is it 
> connected to? Primary master/slave or secondary master/slave? This is 
> important, as linux doesn't go in a drive1, drive2,and drive3 manner. 
> INstead, it goes like this:
>/dev/hda, /dev/hdb: primary master, primary slave
>/dev/hdc, /dev/hdd: secondary master, secondary slave
>etc. In fact, usually /dev/hdc is used by an IDE cdrom. Try this command 
>on the boot disk to find out where the drive is:
>dmesg | grep -i hd
>    You'll see your first drive found as hda, the the second hard drive 
> will be found somewhere. Note this will also tell you where your cdrom 
> resides. Not having permission to write to a drive usually occurrs when 
> trying to partition a read-only media drive, like a cdrom.
>
>HTH
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely
> > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning
> > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to
> > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could
> > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk
> > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning
> > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem
> > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within
> > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows 
> partition?  Better
> > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they 
> create me
> > a boot disk image?
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup



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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Saqib

I see your documentation on the Slackware CD, good work.  I take your 
points regarding SuSE.  What I was thinking of may doing was obtaining 
Slackware, Debian, maybe Redhat as well as SuSE.  As I understand it, it 
should be possible to import packages across distributions.  Therefore, if 
I could somehow get a SuSE kernel compiled to include Speakup, then I'd 
have the best of both worlds.  But I do take your point about a lot of SuSE 
being X stuff, it sure is.  Regarding my partitioning problem, I think 
another reply to my message may hold the solution to this problem.  Looks 
as though it is to do with the way my system is laid out.  I shall 
investigate that one further  I am finding this list most helpful in many 
respects, so thanks to everybody who contributes.  One more question if I 
may.  Do you know of a beginner's guide to Linux anywhere?.
At 10:02 16/09/01 +0100, Saqib Shaikh said:
>Hello there Gordan,
>
>This is Saqib Shaikh; I wrote the Speakup documentation that comes with
>Slackware.  Firstly I agree that SuSE did something very good by including a
>braille screen reader within their distribution.  However, there are a few
>points to bear in mind:
>1.  You have 7 CDs and a DVD but there is only half a CD of console apps!
>Most of the extra stuff, like VMWare demo, StarOffice, RealPlayer, Adobe
>Acrobat and the list goes on, are only accessible through X.  I still think
>SuSE is a good distro, but also remember that SuSE started off as Slackware
>with RPM support, and then they began adding lots of X stuff.  In short
>Slackware is good especially to start off with.  In terms of partitioning
>your hard disk have you tried:
>cfdisk /dev/hdc
>That is pass the disk name as a parameter.
>Email again if you require further info.
>
>Saqib
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Saqib Shaikh]

I could be missing the point here, but if you have a braille display why
don't you use SuSE-BLinux?  This would give you braille support and speech
support also.
Saqib

Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Frank Carmickle]

Well Gordon your gonna have to do what I did on my first day of using any
sort of unix and compile your own kernel.  I know it's jumping in head
first but if that's what you want your going to have to do it.  Personally
my experiences with suse slackware redhat caldera corel and turbo have all
lead me to use debian.  Enough of the distro war though.  Unfortunately
there aren't any people on this list using suse so were probably not going
to be much help.  

Let me know if you need any help.  I'd be glad to give you a hand.
On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Frank.  The drive should be bootable, as SuSE works just fine with 
> it.  Having said that, I use an external boot manager at present.  But even 
> this won't work if my BIOS isn't set right.  Yeah, my motherboard has 4 
> on-board IDE channels, permitting a maximum of 8 devices.  But I take your 
> point regarding the kernels.  Again, going back to SuSE, that does support 
> it directly.  As I said in a previous message, if I could only get hold of 
> a kernel for SuSE with Speakup I'd be happy to stick with it.
> 
> At 06:48 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:
> 
> >You didn't say you had two controllers.  That makes life a bit different.
> >First off the kernel needs to have support build in for your second
> >controller.  well really your third and fourth controller most likely.  I
> >do believe that slackware has support for the promise controllers built in
> >to the bare.i boot disk.  If not this could be a bit of a problem assuming
> >that is the kind of controller you have.  In either case it is probable
> >that the drive that is in question is really /dev/hde.
> >
> >If you need anymore help just call or write.  It could get a little tricky
> >to set this up and boot off of that drive.  Unless your thinking of
> >booting from a floppy the lilo config to boot this setup will prove to be a
> >learning experience for you.
> >
> >--
> >      Frank Carmickle
> >phone:     412 761-9568
> >email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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> 
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi again.

Thanks very much for those, I shall do that.
At 11:06 16/09/01 +0100, Saqib Shaikh said:
>Ok, as for newbie docs:
>www.slackware.com
>holds a good book which is an excellent way just to learn linux, regardless
>of distribution.
>www.dsl.org/
>contains the Linux CookBook, another really good EBook.
>finally, try linuxdoc.org for the traditional howtos/faqs/guides.
>Saqib
>
>
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Frank.  The drive should be bootable, as SuSE works just fine with 
it.  Having said that, I use an external boot manager at present.  But even 
this won't work if my BIOS isn't set right.  Yeah, my motherboard has 4 
on-board IDE channels, permitting a maximum of 8 devices.  But I take your 
point regarding the kernels.  Again, going back to SuSE, that does support 
it directly.  As I said in a previous message, if I could only get hold of 
a kernel for SuSE with Speakup I'd be happy to stick with it.

At 06:48 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:

>You didn't say you had two controllers.  That makes life a bit different.
>First off the kernel needs to have support build in for your second
>controller.  well really your third and fourth controller most likely.  I
>do believe that slackware has support for the promise controllers built in
>to the bare.i boot disk.  If not this could be a bit of a problem assuming
>that is the kind of controller you have.  In either case it is probable
>that the drive that is in question is really /dev/hde.
>
>If you need anymore help just call or write.  It could get a little tricky
>to set this up and boot off of that drive.  Unless your thinking of
>booting from a floppy the lilo config to boot this setup will prove to be a
>learning experience for you.
>
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Frank Carmickle]

Gordon

Your supposed to be able to specify the synth that you have with the
braille program the comes with suse.  Like I said before we wouldn't know how
to do that around here most likely.  

If you are sticking with suse for the braille terminal program know that
braille tty is supposed to be a better program then that which ships with
suse.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gordon Smith wrote:

> At 12:21 16/09/01 +0100, Saqib Shaikh said:
> >I could be missing the point here, but if you have a braille display why
> >don't you use SuSE-BLinux?  This would give you braille support and speech
> >support also.
> 
> 
> It doesn't give me speech, as my speech synthesizer is not part of my 
> Braille display.  If it were, then I'd have no problem.  As I say, if I 
> could get a kernel compiled for SuSE, including Speakup, then problem 
> solved.  But Braille alone is just too slow.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

At 12:21 16/09/01 +0100, Saqib Shaikh said:
>I could be missing the point here, but if you have a braille display why
>don't you use SuSE-BLinux?  This would give you braille support and speech
>support also.


It doesn't give me speech, as my speech synthesizer is not part of my 
Braille display.  If it were, then I'd have no problem.  As I say, if I 
could get a kernel compiled for SuSE, including Speakup, then problem 
solved.  But Braille alone is just too slow.




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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi.

At 07:35 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:
>Well Gordon your gonna have to do what I did on my first day of using any
>sort of unix and compile your own kernel.  I know it's jumping in head
>first but if that's what you want your going to have to do it.  Personally
>my experiences with suse slackware redhat caldera corel and turbo have all
>lead me to use debian.  Enough of the distro war though.  Unfortunately
>there aren't any people on this list using suse so were probably not going
>to be much help.
Well if I can work out how to compile the kernel, I'd have a go.  As 
another list member suggested, Slackware isn't seeing my second controller, 
and of course, the additional hard drives either.  So, that seems to rule 
it out - unless I can find a way to shrink my Windows partition on drive 1, 
without destroying the data.

>Let me know if you need any help.  I'd be glad to give you a hand.


It would be good if you can point me in the direction of some place to 
start looking into kernel compilation.  I have the document I got from the 
Speakup site, but it assumes some kernel building experience, of which I 
have none.




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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Raul A. Gallegos]

If you can find the config file the sus kernel uses you can patch the
kernel with speakup and use makoldconfig to use your existing sus kernel
options.  The only thing the config script would stop for is to ask about
speakup and what you would end up with is a kernel that works in sus as
well as having speakup in it.
I suggest downloading the checkout script to get the latest cvs patch the
put it in /usr/src/linux and typing ./checkout.  Now you willhave speakup
source patched into the kernel.  When you have the kernel source type:

make mrproper

then copy your old config file to /usr/src/linux/.config

now type

make oldconfig

Now all the sus specific kernel options will be taken from the existing
config file and the config script will pause to ask you if you want
speakup.  say yes and y for any synth you want.  once this is done type

make dep
make bzImage  * note the acpital I in bzImage **

Write if you need more help on this.  Compiling a kernel the first time
can be intimidating but once you have done it over and over again you get
used to it.

hth.

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something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination...
We learned to talk...

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi.
>
> At 07:35 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:
> >Well Gordon your gonna have to do what I did on my first day of using any
> >sort of unix and compile your own kernel.  I know it's jumping in head
> >first but if that's what you want your going to have to do it.  Personally
> >my experiences with suse slackware redhat caldera corel and turbo have all
> >lead me to use debian.  Enough of the distro war though.  Unfortunately
> >there aren't any people on this list using suse so were probably not going
> >to be much help.
> Well if I can work out how to compile the kernel, I'd have a go.  As
> another list member suggested, Slackware isn't seeing my second controller,
> and of course, the additional hard drives either.  So, that seems to rule
> it out - unless I can find a way to shrink my Windows partition on drive 1,
> without destroying the data.
>
> >Let me know if you need any help.  I'd be glad to give you a hand.
>
>
> It would be good if you can point me in the direction of some place to
> start looking into kernel compilation.  I have the document I got from the
> Speakup site, but it assumes some kernel building experience, of which I
> have none.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gregory Nowak]

If suse sees this drive as /dev/hdc, then
it should be the same under slackware.
I still can't see why suse would work fine with that drive, and slackware wouldn't.
Greg


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> I have 5 drives in my box, and the drive I'm trying to use is drive # 
> 3.  Which would, as I understand it, be /dev/hdc.  Suse see it, and will 
> use it just fine.  Slackware, on the other hand, doesn't want to know.
> 
> At 20:10 15/09/01 -0500, Gregory Nowak said:
> >Are you absolutely sure
> >the drive you're trying to partition is in fact
> >/dev/hdc and not /dev/hda for example?
> >If you have a fresh unpartioned drive in your box, then I don't
> >see why cfdisk would give you a problem with it.
> >Greg
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely
> > > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning
> > > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to
> > > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could
> > > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk
> > > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning
> > > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem
> > > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within
> > > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows 
> > partition?  Better
> > > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they 
> > create me
> > > a boot disk image?
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gregory Nowak]

What motherboard do you have?
Is it by any chance an Abit be6-II?
If so, then the bare.i slackware boot disk doesn't
have built-in support for the hpt366 on-board controllers.
Greg


On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:16:33AM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi Frank.  The drive should be bootable, as SuSE works just fine with 
> it.  Having said that, I use an external boot manager at present.  But even 
> this won't work if my BIOS isn't set right.  Yeah, my motherboard has 4 
> on-board IDE channels, permitting a maximum of 8 devices.  But I take your 
> point regarding the kernels.  Again, going back to SuSE, that does support 
> it directly.  As I said in a previous message, if I could only get hold of 
> a kernel for SuSE with Speakup I'd be happy to stick with it.
> 
> At 06:48 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:
> 
> >You didn't say you had two controllers.  That makes life a bit different.
> >First off the kernel needs to have support build in for your second
> >controller.  well really your third and fourth controller most likely.  I
> >do believe that slackware has support for the promise controllers built in
> >to the bare.i boot disk.  If not this could be a bit of a problem assuming
> >that is the kind of controller you have.  In either case it is probable
> >that the drive that is in question is really /dev/hde.
> >
> >If you need anymore help just call or write.  It could get a little tricky
> >to set this up and boot off of that drive.  Unless your thinking of
> >booting from a floppy the lilo config to boot this setup will prove to be a
> >learning experience for you.
> >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Kirk Wood]

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi.  The layout of my system is a little strange, this was necessary.  It is:
> Drive 1 = primary master
> CD-ROM = primary slave
> Drive 2 = ATA100 primary master
> Drive 3 = ATA100 Primary Slave
> Drive 4=ATA100 Secondary Master
> Drive 5 = ATA100 Secondary slave

And now we can solve a huge mystery. The following *should* represent the
drive letter vs the designation in linux:
1 - hda
cdrom - hdb
2 - hdf
3 - hdg
4 - hdh
5 - hdi

The first two are definately correct. But it is a certainty that your
drive 3 is *not* hdc. The reason SUSE is able to install is that it is not
making you specify the drive position. Suse was one of the first to
eliminate the need to understand a very easily misunderstood drive
designation.

Quite honestly, if you have a distribution installed, I would recomend
that you patch the kernel, compile and go on. I shied away from this task
for a long time. Then one day decided I had nothing better to do then
reinstall if I messed something up. The long and short is that it was
actually quite easy. In fact, it is so easy that I would recomend
everybody to compile their own kernel. Start with cutting out all the crap
in a stock kernel you don't use.

I have cut boot time significantly be eliminating the stuff in a stock
kernel that my machine doesn't use anyway. I cut it further by building in
things like network card support directly. Sure I made mistakes along the
way. I also found my own way of tracking what I have done. I discovered
that there is no need to name my kernel vmlinuz. I discovered that there
is no need to pout a softlink in the root directory to this. I discovered
that I can name my kernel to indicate the version number and date if I
choose.

You can find out a lot by playing here.

=======
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Frank.  I am at a loss then to know how to specify a speech synthesizer 
for SuSE to use.  When I installed it, it auto-detected my Braille 
terminal, but nothing else.  I can find only extremely poor documentation 
related to SuSE B-Linux, and no mention of speech synthesis anywhere.  If 
you could give me a clue where to follow this up, I will be happy to do so, 
and very grateful.  I think I'm going to have to stick with SuSE, as 
Slackware will not see my additional hard disks or I/O controller.  I also 
have no idea where to locate Braille TTY, so I'm sort of stuck.  I 
appreciate what you say about nobody else around here using SuSE, guess I'm 
on my own with that, <smile>.  Thanks anyway.

At 08:28 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:

>Your supposed to be able to specify the synth that you have with the
>braille program the comes with suse.  Like I said before we wouldn't know how
>to do that around here most likely.
>
>If you are sticking with suse for the braille terminal program know that
>braille tty is supposed to be a better program then that which ships with
>suse.
>
>On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gordon Smith wrote:
>
> > At 12:21 16/09/01 +0100, Saqib Shaikh said:
> > >I could be missing the point here, but if you have a braille display why
> > >don't you use SuSE-BLinux?  This would give you braille support and speech
> > >support also.
> >
> >
> > It doesn't give me speech, as my speech synthesizer is not part of my
> > Braille display.  If it were, then I'd have no problem.  As I say, if I
> > could get a kernel compiled for SuSE, including Speakup, then problem
> > solved.  But Braille alone is just too slow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards, Gordon Smith.
> >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hi Greg.  The reason is, as I've since discovered, Slackware isn't seeing 
the Raid controller on my motherboard.  Hence, no additional hard 
drives.  SuSE has specific support for my motherboard, so it sees it 
properly.  I am still not sure whether it is seeing it as /dev/hdc, haven't 
figured out how to check that as yet.

At 12:12 16/09/01 -0500, Gregory Nowak said:
>If suse sees this drive as /dev/hdc, then
>it should be the same under slackware.
>I still can't see why suse would work fine with that drive, and slackware 
>wouldn't.
>Greg
>
>
>On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 09:31:10AM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > I have 5 drives in my box, and the drive I'm trying to use is drive #
> > 3.  Which would, as I understand it, be /dev/hdc.  Suse see it, and will
> > use it just fine.  Slackware, on the other hand, doesn't want to know.
> >
> > At 20:10 15/09/01 -0500, Gregory Nowak said:
> > >Are you absolutely sure
> > >the drive you're trying to partition is in fact
> > >/dev/hdc and not /dev/hda for example?
> > >If you have a fresh unpartioned drive in your box, then I don't
> > >see why cfdisk would give you a problem with it.
> > >Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > > > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely
> > > > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - 
> meaning
> > > > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to 
> write to
> > > > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could
> > > > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, 
> and FDisk
> > > > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE 
> partitioning
> > > > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem
> > > > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within
> > > > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows
> > > partition?  Better
> > > > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they
> > > create me
> > > > a boot disk image?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards, Gordon Smith.
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Almost right.  It is an Abit KT7a-Raid.

At 12:19 16/09/01 -0500, Gregory Nowak said:
>What motherboard do you have?
>Is it by any chance an Abit be6-II?
>If so, then the bare.i slackware boot disk doesn't
>have built-in support for the hpt366 on-board controllers.
>Greg
>
>
>On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:16:33AM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > Hi Frank.  The drive should be bootable, as SuSE works just fine with
> > it.  Having said that, I use an external boot manager at present.  But 
> even
> > this won't work if my BIOS isn't set right.  Yeah, my motherboard has 4
> > on-board IDE channels, permitting a maximum of 8 devices.  But I take your
> > point regarding the kernels.  Again, going back to SuSE, that does support
> > it directly.  As I said in a previous message, if I could only get hold of
> > a kernel for SuSE with Speakup I'd be happy to stick with it.
> >
> > At 06:48 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:
> >
> > >You didn't say you had two controllers.  That makes life a bit different.
> > >First off the kernel needs to have support build in for your second
> > >controller.  well really your third and fourth controller most likely.  I
> > >do believe that slackware has support for the promise controllers built in
> > >to the bare.i boot disk.  If not this could be a bit of a problem assuming
> > >that is the kind of controller you have.  In either case it is probable
> > >that the drive that is in question is really /dev/hde.
> > >
> > >If you need anymore help just call or write.  It could get a little tricky
> > >to set this up and boot off of that drive.  Unless your thinking of
> > >booting from a floppy the lilo config to boot this setup will prove to 
> be a
> > >learning experience for you.
> > >
> > >--
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> > >phone:     412 761-9568
> > >email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Kirk Wood]

You can check to see what the device is quite easily. (Sorry I didn't
think of this earlier.) Simply run the command "mount" and it will list
everything that is mounted.

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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gregory Nowak]

You can locat lots of Linux programs
by going to:
http://freshmeat.net
.
Greg


On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 06:45:15PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi Frank.  I am at a loss then to know how to specify a speech synthesizer 
> for SuSE to use.  When I installed it, it auto-detected my Braille 
> terminal, but nothing else.  I can find only extremely poor documentation 
> related to SuSE B-Linux, and no mention of speech synthesis anywhere.  If 
> you could give me a clue where to follow this up, I will be happy to do so, 
> and very grateful.  I think I'm going to have to stick with SuSE, as 
> Slackware will not see my additional hard disks or I/O controller.  I also 
> have no idea where to locate Braille TTY, so I'm sort of stuck.  I 
> appreciate what you say about nobody else around here using SuSE, guess I'm 
> on my own with that, <smile>.  Thanks anyway.
> 
> At 08:28 16/09/01 -0400, Frank Carmickle said:
> 
> >Your supposed to be able to specify the synth that you have with the
> >braille program the comes with suse.  Like I said before we wouldn't know how
> >to do that around here most likely.
> >
> >If you are sticking with suse for the braille terminal program know that
> >braille tty is supposed to be a better program then that which ships with
> >suse.
> >
> >On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gordon Smith wrote:
> >
> > > At 12:21 16/09/01 +0100, Saqib Shaikh said:
> > > >I could be missing the point here, but if you have a braille display why
> > > >don't you use SuSE-BLinux?  This would give you braille support and speech
> > > >support also.
> > >
> > >
> > > It doesn't give me speech, as my speech synthesizer is not part of my
> > > Braille display.  If it were, then I'd have no problem.  As I say, if I
> > > could get a kernel compiled for SuSE, including Speakup, then problem
> > > solved.  But Braille alone is just too slow.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
   Based on the system layout you gave me, the drive you want to partition is /dev/hdd, not hdc which is your second drive.

HTH


On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 09:49:26AM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hi.  The layout of my system is a little strange, this was necessary.  It is:
> Drive 1 = primary master
> CD-ROM = primary slave
> Drive 2 = ATA100 primary master
> Drive 3 = ATA100 Primary Slave
> Drive 4=ATA100 Secondary Master
> Drive 5 = ATA100 Secondary slave
> 
> I have the 3 boot devices configured in my BIOS as Floppy, HD0, (Primary 
> Master), and HD3, (ATA100 Primary Slave).  Perhaps the reason it works with 
> SuSE is that the installer is graphical, and it's just a case of clicking 
> buttons.  So, based on your suggestion below, it may be that what I am 
> calling /dev/hdc is in reality not /dev/hdc.  Hadn't occured to me 
> actually, so thanks for that tip.
> 
> At 01:55 16/09/01 -0400, Jacob Schmude said:
> >Hi
> >    The third drive? That isn't really how linux does things. Where is it 
> > connected to? Primary master/slave or secondary master/slave? This is 
> > important, as linux doesn't go in a drive1, drive2,and drive3 manner. 
> > INstead, it goes like this:
> >/dev/hda, /dev/hdb: primary master, primary slave
> >/dev/hdc, /dev/hdd: secondary master, secondary slave
> >etc. In fact, usually /dev/hdc is used by an IDE cdrom. Try this command 
> >on the boot disk to find out where the drive is:
> >dmesg | grep -i hd
> >    You'll see your first drive found as hda, the the second hard drive 
> > will be found somewhere. Note this will also tell you where your cdrom 
> > resides. Not having permission to write to a drive usually occurrs when 
> > trying to partition a read-only media drive, like a cdrom.
> >
> >HTH
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely
> > > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - meaning
> > > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to write to
> > > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could
> > > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, and FDisk
> > > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE partitioning
> > > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem
> > > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within
> > > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows 
> > partition?  Better
> > > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they 
> > create me
> > > a boot disk image?
> >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Actually, all I had to do was take the time to review the initial boot-up 
screen, that shows me quite clearly that the only hard drive that Slackware 
is seeing is the first one.  What about Debian, would that see the extra 
controller?  In other words, does the default kernel install it?


At 15:09 16/09/01 -0500, Kirk Wood said:
>You can check to see what the device is quite easily. (Sorry I didn't
>think of this earlier.) Simply run the command "mount" and it will list
>everything that is mounted.
>
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

At 14:21 16/09/01 -0500, Kirk Wood said:
>And now we can solve a huge mystery. The following *should* represent the
>drive letter vs the designation in linux:
>1 - hda
>cdrom - hdb
>2 - hdf
>3 - hdg
>4 - hdh
>5 - hdi
It would seem that Slackware is only seeing the first controller, only one 
hard disk and the CD-ROM exist, as far as it is concerned.

>The first two are definately correct. But it is a certainty that your
>drive 3 is *not* hdc. The reason SUSE is able to install is that it is not
>making you specify the drive position. Suse was one of the first to
>eliminate the need to understand a very easily misunderstood drive
>designation.
That sounds reasonable, yeah.

>Quite honestly, if you have a distribution installed, I would recomend
>that you patch the kernel, compile and go on. I shied away from this task
>for a long time. Then one day decided I had nothing better to do then
>reinstall if I messed something up. The long and short is that it was
>actually quite easy. In fact, it is so easy that I would recomend
>everybody to compile their own kernel. Start with cutting out all the crap
>in a stock kernel you don't use.
As a total novice, is there somewhere I can get my hands on a step-by-step 
guide to this process?  I'm not frightened to try it if I have all the 
necessary information to hand.  As you say, if I break it, I just laugh 
about it, put it down to experience, and re-install.

>I have cut boot time significantly be eliminating the stuff in a stock
>kernel that my machine doesn't use anyway. I cut it further by building in
>things like network card support directly. Sure I made mistakes along the
>way. I also found my own way of tracking what I have done. I discovered
>that there is no need to name my kernel vmlinuz. I discovered that there
>is no need to pout a softlink in the root directory to this. I discovered
>that I can name my kernel to indicate the version number and date if I
>choose.
>
>You can find out a lot by playing here.

Got to know where to start first, <smile>.




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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Saqib Shaikh]

I'm plunging around in the dark here but if you say that Slackware can't
find your rade controller, does this mean you're using SCSI drives? In this
case won't you need to use the speakup.s disk? Thanks, Saqib

Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

Hello.  Under Slackware, I can only see the primary controllers, and not 
the ATA100.  I am told they aren't supported under Slackware, at least with 
the standard kernel.  Which explains why it can't see the drives, but SuSE 
can.  My motherboard is specifically supported under SuSE.

At 17:55 16/09/01 -0400, Jacob Schmude said:
>Hi
>    Based on the system layout you gave me, the drive you want to 
> partition is /dev/hdd, not hdc which is your second drive.
>
>HTH
>
>
>On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 09:49:26AM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > Hi.  The layout of my system is a little strange, this was 
> necessary.  It is:
> > Drive 1 = primary master
> > CD-ROM = primary slave
> > Drive 2 = ATA100 primary master
> > Drive 3 = ATA100 Primary Slave
> > Drive 4=ATA100 Secondary Master
> > Drive 5 = ATA100 Secondary slave
> >
> > I have the 3 boot devices configured in my BIOS as Floppy, HD0, (Primary
> > Master), and HD3, (ATA100 Primary Slave).  Perhaps the reason it works 
> with
> > SuSE is that the installer is graphical, and it's just a case of clicking
> > buttons.  So, based on your suggestion below, it may be that what I am
> > calling /dev/hdc is in reality not /dev/hdc.  Hadn't occured to me
> > actually, so thanks for that tip.
> >
> > At 01:55 16/09/01 -0400, Jacob Schmude said:
> > >Hi
> > >    The third drive? That isn't really how linux does things. Where is it
> > > connected to? Primary master/slave or secondary master/slave? This is
> > > important, as linux doesn't go in a drive1, drive2,and drive3 manner.
> > > INstead, it goes like this:
> > >/dev/hda, /dev/hdb: primary master, primary slave
> > >/dev/hdc, /dev/hdd: secondary master, secondary slave
> > >etc. In fact, usually /dev/hdc is used by an IDE cdrom. Try this command
> > >on the boot disk to find out where the drive is:
> > >dmesg | grep -i hd
> > >    You'll see your first drive found as hda, the the second hard drive
> > > will be found somewhere. Note this will also tell you where your cdrom
> > > resides. Not having permission to write to a drive usually occurrs when
> > > trying to partition a read-only media drive, like a cdrom.
> > >
> > >HTH
> > >
> > >
> > >On Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:01:13PM -0100, Gordon Smith wrote:
> > > > Hi.  Problem when installing Slackware 8.0.  I have a completely
> > > > unpartitioned hard drive in my system, which would be /dev/hdc - 
> meaning
> > > > that it is drive number 3.  CFDisk and Fdisk will not allow me to 
> write to
> > > > this drive, to prepare a Linux partition.  Any ideas why this could
> > > > be?  CFDisk says I do not have permition to write to this drive, 
> and FDisk
> > > > says there are no free sectors.  I have to say that the SuSE 
> partitioning
> > > > tools seem much more intelligent, it handles it with no problem
> > > > whatsoever.  Assuming I cannot get this to work, is there a tool within
> > > > Slackware which would allow me to shrink a FAT32 Windows
> > > partition?  Better
> > > > still, does anybody else run SuSE with speech?  If so, could they
> > > create me
> > > > a boot disk image?
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gordon Smith]

At 06:22 17/09/01 +0100, Saqib Shaikh said:
>I'm plunging around in the dark here but if you say that Slackware can't
>find your rade controller, does this mean you're using SCSI drives? In this
>case won't you need to use the speakup.s disk? Thanks, Saqib


Well, they're IDE drives.  But actually, Windows sees the controller as an 
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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Kirk Wood]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Hello.  Under Slackware, I can only see the primary controllers, and not 
> the ATA100.  I am told they aren't supported under Slackware, at least with 
> the standard kernel.  Which explains why it can't see the drives, but SuSE 
> can.  My motherboard is specifically supported under SuSE.

You have several choices which probably won't change anytime soon. One
would be to create your own boot disk for slackware. Another is to
compile speakup into your kernel for your curent install of suse. Those
would be the easy choices, with the latter being the most pain free. If
you are looking for some m$ tech to give you the easy answer, you will be
sorely disappointed.

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Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

[Gregory Nowak]

No, he's probably using the speakup.i boot disk which I know for a fact doesn't recognize the ata 100 controlers.  That is done with the ata100.i boot disk.
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Saqib Shaikh" <ss@saqibshaikh.com
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:22:36 +0100
>Subject: Re: Slackware 8.0 partitioning tools.

>I'm plunging around in the dark here but if you say that Slackware can't
>find your rade controller, does this mean you're using SCSI drives? In this
>case won't you need to use the speakup.s disk? Thanks, Saqib



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