New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Saqib Shaikh]

Thought this may be of interest to people:

> The new notetaker that works!
>
> Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker, at
sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
>
> The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your computer
and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
>
> With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails, listen to
your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the same
time!
>
> The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all menu
driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for power
users.
>
> It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface , USB
port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
>
> The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
>
> With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for storing
your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned build
quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the ELba is
the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works for
you.
>
> The full specifications are as follows:
>
> Program Suite
>
> Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File converter
(read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator, E-mail,
Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote, Spreadsheet,
Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone management,
Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
system.
>
> The ELba comes with the following ports:
>
> Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
25-pin connector
> USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot Ethernet
(RJ45)
> Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of modem
(RJ45)
> Speaker Output, Microphone Input
>
> Remote Braille Display capabilities
>
> Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display and
Braille keyboard for other computers
>
> Visual Display Support
>
> Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
>
> Technical Specifications
>
> 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> Linux operating system
> DRAM 32 Mbytes
> Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
>
> Physical Characteristics
>
> Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> Aluminium-magnesium case
>
> Carry Case
>
> Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
>
> Papenmeier UK
> Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
>

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[David Poehlman]

I just tried to send them a message and it bounced.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Saqib Shaikh" <ss@saqibshaikh.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>; <blinux-newbie@braille.uwo.ca>;
<blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 12:38 PM
Subject: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


Thought this may be of interest to people:

> The new notetaker that works!
>
> Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker, at
sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
>
> The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
computer
and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
>
> With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails, listen
to
your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
same
time!
>
> The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
menu
driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
power
users.
>
> It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface , USB
port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
>
> The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
>
> With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for storing
your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
build
quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the ELba
is
the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
for
you.
>
> The full specifications are as follows:
>
> Program Suite
>
> Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
converter
(read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator, E-mail,
Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
Spreadsheet,
Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone management,
Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
system.
>
> The ELba comes with the following ports:
>
> Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
25-pin connector
> USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
Ethernet
(RJ45)
> Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of modem
(RJ45)
> Speaker Output, Microphone Input
>
> Remote Braille Display capabilities
>
> Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
and
Braille keyboard for other computers
>
> Visual Display Support
>
> Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
>
> Technical Specifications
>
> 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> Linux operating system
> DRAM 32 Mbytes
> Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
>
> Physical Characteristics
>
> Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> Aluminium-magnesium case
>
> Carry Case
>
> Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
>
> Papenmeier UK
> Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
>


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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[philwh]

Hi.
This is what blacie engineering and
then freedom scientific started to
design.
Then they in their infinite wisdom, dropped it in favor of a windows ce
based piece of %x.

phil

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm on their support list.
>From what I've been reading there,
the mellenium units are a lost
cause not even worth mentioning.
Greg

P.S. I think it runs Blazie's own OS and not ce,
but I could be wrong.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 08:44:32PM -0400, philwh@gate.net wrote:
> Hi.
> This is what blacie engineering and
> then freedom scientific started to
> design.
> Then they in their infinite wisdom, dropped it in favor of a windows ce
> based piece of %x.
> 
> phil
> 
> 
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Mike Calvo]

You know guys I don't mean to brake up a party but aren't we going a bit off
topic already? It was stated that the products was out and several folks
gave an opinion but let's move on! I am tired of seeing this cluttering my
inbox.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> I'm on their support list.
> >From what I've been reading there,
> the mellenium units are a lost
> cause not even worth mentioning.
> Greg
>
> P.S. I think it runs Blazie's own OS and not ce,
> but I could be wrong.
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 08:44:32PM -0400, philwh@gate.net wrote:
> > Hi.
> > This is what blacie engineering and
> > then freedom scientific started to
> > design.
> > Then they in their infinite wisdom, dropped it in favor of a windows ce
> > based piece of %x.
> >
> > phil
> >
> >
> >
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net> writes:

    Gregory> I'm on their support list.
    >> From what I've been reading there,
    Gregory> the mellenium units are a lost cause not even worth
    Gregory> mentioning.  Greg

Do you mean the Braille Note, or this new thing.  the new thing they
say runs on Linux, that's not Blazie or Windows SE.

Ann P.

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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Gregory Nowak]

No, I mean the Blazie division's
of Freedom Scientific millennium series of notetakers.
http://www.freedomscientific.com
Greg


On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 10:02:26PM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Nowak <romualt@megsinet.net> writes:
> 
>     Gregory> I'm on their support list.
>     >> From what I've been reading there,
>     Gregory> the mellenium units are a lost cause not even worth
>     Gregory> mentioning.  Greg
> 
> Do you mean the Braille Note, or this new thing.  the new thing they
> say runs on Linux, that's not Blazie or Windows SE.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
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> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Victor Tsaran]

Another thing, you are right, Phil! Why do they all use Windows CE?
Pulsedata claims Windows CE has the best user interface... Did you try that
best interface? It can't even handle basic multitasking, only task
switching... No difference at all, sure...
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: <philwh@gate.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> Hi.
> This is what blacie engineering and
> then freedom scientific started to
> design.
> Then they in their infinite wisdom, dropped it in favor of a windows ce
> based piece of %x.
>
> phil
>
>
>
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Well, Vic, you know that Windows is not a true multitasking
invironment.  the processor pauses between tasks in order to allocate
resources and memory while Linux and Unix really *are* multitasking
environments.  they actually do run processes simultaneously and there
is no pausing or checking of resources.  

Ann P.

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Multi-tasking

[Rich Caloggero]

Well, as far as I know, both windows and linux multi-task; linux has the
added advantage of being fully memory managed. Note, windows refers to the
consumer versions of windows (win95, 98, and milinium); NT and 2k are memory
managed, preemptive scheduling operating systems. The lack of memory
management is why, in most cases, windows becomes so unstable after being
"up" for a while.
In a memory managed environment, the hardware actually checks each memory
reference to make sure that the correct virtual address (the one supplied
with the referencing instruction) is mapped to a physical address. If no
physical address is mapped to that virtual address, it figures out whether a
mapping is possible by checking to see if the virtual address given is in
the correct range for the currently executing process.  If yes then it loads
the appropriate page from disk and continues; if not, it generates a page
fault and terminates the process. Note: this process is far more complex
than this; I'm sure I'm over simplifying and leaving a lot of stuff out.
Windows probably does some bound checking and it can swap, however it does
not make use of the memory management hardware on the processor; it does not
check every memory reference.
As far as scheduling goes, I believe they both do some sort of round robbin
preemptive scheduling, but linux probably has a better algorithm.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> Hi all,
>
> Well, Vic, you know that Windows is not a true multitasking
> invironment.  the processor pauses between tasks in order to allocate
> resources and memory while Linux and Unix really *are* multitasking
> environments.  they actually do run processes simultaneously and there
> is no pausing or checking of resources.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
>
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Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Besides, it does not really multitask, run processes at the same time,
it switches between processes very fast so it seems like it is, but it
isn't.

Ann P.

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Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Huh, you don't know very much about emacs do ya, Rich?  Try using the
calendar in emacs and you'll find out what MSAA is really all about.
Try running w3 on a page where you haven't been able to make any sense
at all in Windows and you'll discover what MSAA is available in Linux!
Why don't you experience instead of stating misinformation?  The only
thing w3 can not do is Java script well, and it has no support for the
sophisticated security gumbus that is used by most online stores.  If
the developers of W3 ever made it Java compatible and security
compliant, then we'd never have to go to Windows.  

Here try an experiment, if you want to see how things work.  There's a
link off:

http://www.enabling.org/grassroots/connect.html

that says ZMud.  Try going there in Windows and try accessing the menu
for downloading ZMud.  I can't get it to work for me.  

Then try going there in w3.  You'll see a marked difference.

Ann P.

Ann P.

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Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

I agree with you about windows and linux, but I was able to access the
download menu fine.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 4:03 PM
Subject: Multi-tasking


Hi all,

Huh, you don't know very much about emacs do ya, Rich?  Try using the
calendar in emacs and you'll find out what MSAA is really all about.
Try running w3 on a page where you haven't been able to make any sense
at all in Windows and you'll discover what MSAA is available in Linux!
Why don't you experience instead of stating misinformation?  The only
thing w3 can not do is Java script well, and it has no support for the
sophisticated security gumbus that is used by most online stores.  If
the developers of W3 ever made it Java compatible and security
compliant, then we'd never have to go to Windows.

Here try an experiment, if you want to see how things work.  There's a
link off:

http://www.enabling.org/grassroots/connect.html

that says ZMud.  Try going there in Windows and try accessing the menu
for downloading ZMud.  I can't get it to work for me.

Then try going there in w3.  You'll see a marked difference.

Ann P.

Ann P.

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Re: Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi, all,

Then, I guess I'm an idiot.  I fully admit it, I'm an idiot.  I want
to tell you I went to the Zmud site with MSIE, and I tried to make the
combo boxes work for me.  I tried alt-down arrow, and I tried pressing
enter, and nothing worked.  Maybe I'm just an idiot.  I took a class
in Windows, but it didn't seem to help.

Ann P.

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Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

you're not an idiot.  if you use jaws you turn on forms mode first when
on a combo box and then press alt+ down arrow if necessary to get
started then the first letter of the item of the combo box you wish to
select and then tab.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


Hi, all,

Then, I guess I'm an idiot.  I fully admit it, I'm an idiot.  I want
to tell you I went to the Zmud site with MSIE, and I tried to make the
combo boxes work for me.  I tried alt-down arrow, and I tried pressing
enter, and nothing worked.  Maybe I'm just an idiot.  I took a class
in Windows, but it didn't seem to help.

Ann P.

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JRRT


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Re: Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Ah, Dave, but I am not using JFW.

Ann P.

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Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

well, it could be a problem with the screen reader or version you are
using and it could also be a browser issue.  so, what screen reader,
version, and browser and version do you use when you have to use tha
payne?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


Hi all,

Ah, Dave, but I am not using JFW.

Ann P.

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Re: Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.

Ann P.

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Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

well as I understand it all things being equal, you should have no
problem with the site.  I think for things like that you have to turn
off msaa mode though.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


Hi all,

Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.

Ann P.

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Re: Multi-tasking

[Gregory Nowak]

Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
(because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select what you would like.
Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the self-activating kind
(the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
hit an arrow key).
Hope this helps.
Greg


On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
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Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

these are the self activating kind.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
(because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select
what you would like.
Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the
self-activating kind
(the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
hit an arrow key).
Hope this helps.
Greg


On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
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>
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Re: Multi-tasking

[Bruce Noblick]

Hi all!

I have looked at this one with wineyes 4.1 and it is one of those
self-activating ones.  The only suggestion I had was to type the first
letter of the item she wanted and if it was the first or only one, it would
activate the right one.

Enjoy!
Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


> Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
> turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
> (because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select
what you would like.
> Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
> I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
> to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the
self-activating kind
> (the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
> hit an arrow key).
> Hope this helps.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
> >
> > Ann P.
> >
> > --
> > Ann K. Parsons
> > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
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Re: Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smile>  Thanks!!  Now they tell me!!

Ann P.

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"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Multi-tasking

[Scott Howell]

Not sure why a discussion of windows screen readers is here, but let me
give you a solution for your self-activating combo boxes. Just hit
alt-down arrow when your on the box and it'l keep it from activating. This
is piss-poor web design in any case and most sighted users don't much like
it either. I am sure that key stroke I mention works under 3.1, but can't
recall now.


On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
> turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
> (because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select what you would like.
> Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
> I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
> to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the self-activating kind
> (the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
> hit an arrow key).
> Hope this helps.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
> > 
> > Ann P.
> > 
> > -- 
> > 			Ann K. Parsons  
> > email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> > 
> > 
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Re: Multi-tasking

[Bruce Noblick]

The solution of using the alt+down arrow  on the web site that Ann mentioned
did not work with window-eyes 4.1.  If it does work with 3.1, perhaps we
should mention this to GW and see if they can duplicate this possible
problem.

Enjoy!
Bruce

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Howell" <showell@lrxms.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


>
> Not sure why a discussion of windows screen readers is here, but let me
> give you a solution for your self-activating combo boxes. Just hit
> alt-down arrow when your on the box and it'l keep it from activating. This
> is piss-poor web design in any case and most sighted users don't much like
> it either. I am sure that key stroke I mention works under 3.1, but can't
> recall now.
>
>
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
> > turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
> > (because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select
what you would like.
> > Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
> > I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
> > to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the
self-activating kind
> > (the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
> > hit an arrow key).
> > Hope this helps.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
> > >
> > > Ann P.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
lost."  JRRT
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> >
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Re: Multi-tasking

[Gregory Nowak]

Did you have msaa on or off?
Greg


On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 01:26:34PM -0400, Bruce Noblick wrote:
> The solution of using the alt+down arrow  on the web site that Ann mentioned
> did not work with window-eyes 4.1.  If it does work with 3.1, perhaps we
> should mention this to GW and see if they can duplicate this possible
> problem.
> 
> Enjoy!
> Bruce
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Howell" <showell@lrxms.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Multi-tasking
> 
> 
> >
> > Not sure why a discussion of windows screen readers is here, but let me
> > give you a solution for your self-activating combo boxes. Just hit
> > alt-down arrow when your on the box and it'l keep it from activating. This
> > is piss-poor web design in any case and most sighted users don't much like
> > it either. I am sure that key stroke I mention works under 3.1, but can't
> > recall now.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> > > Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
> > > turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
> > > (because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select
> what you would like.
> > > Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
> > > I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
> > > to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the
> self-activating kind
> > > (the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
> > > hit an arrow key).
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
> > > >
> > > > Ann P.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
> lost."  JRRT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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Re: Multi-tasking

[Scott Howell]

MSAA must be off.



On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Did you have msaa on or off?
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 01:26:34PM -0400, Bruce Noblick wrote:
> > The solution of using the alt+down arrow  on the web site that Ann mentioned
> > did not work with window-eyes 4.1.  If it does work with 3.1, perhaps we
> > should mention this to GW and see if they can duplicate this possible
> > problem.
> > 
> > Enjoy!
> > Bruce
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Howell" <showell@lrxms.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Multi-tasking
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Not sure why a discussion of windows screen readers is here, but let me
> > > give you a solution for your self-activating combo boxes. Just hit
> > > alt-down arrow when your on the box and it'l keep it from activating. This
> > > is piss-poor web design in any case and most sighted users don't much like
> > > it either. I am sure that key stroke I mention works under 3.1, but can't
> > > recall now.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
> > > > turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
> > > > (because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select
> > what you would like.
> > > > Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
> > > > I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
> > > > to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the
> > self-activating kind
> > > > (the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
> > > > hit an arrow key).
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ann P.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Ann K. Parsons
> > > > > email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> > > > > WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> > > > > "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are
> > lost."  JRRT
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
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Re: Multi-tasking

[Kirk Wood]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Ah, Dave, but I am not using JFW.

You didn't get the memo that there is only one real screen reader?

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Gee, no, I didn't get that memo.  Was it that one on the pea green
paper with the funny purple flowers at the bottom, the ones that
Ms. Eulalia Gurgandahl sends from Public Relations?  Gee, no I didn't
read it.  I have filed it though, very carefully; I filed it in the
Round File.  Wasn't I supposed to file it there? 

Ann P.

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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Multi-tasking

[Kirk Wood]

It was the memo on macroslop letterhead and cosigned by bill.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: Multi-tasking

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

I guess so,, Kirk, I just saw those purple flowers and that awful
pea-green stock and I filed it as I have been directed.  I didn't read
it.  I got the first in the series some ten months back and it said,
and I quote:

"Please be sure to file all memos you receive from this office."

As the Round File was the closest file, I was meticulous about filing
those memos!

Ann P.

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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Multi-tasking

[Kirk Wood]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Then, I guess I'm an idiot.  I fully admit it, I'm an idiot.  I want
> to tell you I went to the Zmud site with MSIE, and I tried to make the
> combo boxes work for me.  I tried alt-down arrow, and I tried pressing
> enter, and nothing worked.  Maybe I'm just an idiot.  I took a class
> in Windows, but it didn't seem to help.

I don't think this follows. I have watched a person quite familiar with
Jaws work and it is a hit or miss situation. Most sites work fine. But
notice that most. This of course leaves a huge number that don't work well
with Jaws. And it isn't always script that causes the problem.

The fact remains that m$ has shown a committement to saying they have a
committment to accesibility. They own rights to put much of the Jaws
speech into their product and choose not to use it. They have released  3
major revisions to IE without MSAA catching up since making the
committment to always have them working together. They have released a
major revision of Office breaking the same promise. They released a
"new" version of Windows breaking the same promise. (Maybe two, I don't
know about WinME.)

MSAA is pure and simply an effort to appease the the blind community and
shut them up. It is nothing more. In 1998 they had a total of three people
on the team with two people helping out. Five people to make a major
change to the OS work correct. That compares to hundreds working on the
rest. In fact, they had a distinct lack of bete testers who are blind.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

actually, msaa was a bid to get government us federal that is and other
entities here to buy in.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Then, I guess I'm an idiot.  I fully admit it, I'm an idiot.  I want
> to tell you I went to the Zmud site with MSIE, and I tried to make the
> combo boxes work for me.  I tried alt-down arrow, and I tried pressing
> enter, and nothing worked.  Maybe I'm just an idiot.  I took a class
> in Windows, but it didn't seem to help.

I don't think this follows. I have watched a person quite familiar with
Jaws work and it is a hit or miss situation. Most sites work fine. But
notice that most. This of course leaves a huge number that don't work
well
with Jaws. And it isn't always script that causes the problem.

The fact remains that m$ has shown a committement to saying they have a
committment to accesibility. They own rights to put much of the Jaws
speech into their product and choose not to use it. They have released
3
major revisions to IE without MSAA catching up since making the
committment to always have them working together. They have released a
major revision of Office breaking the same promise. They released a
"new" version of Windows breaking the same promise. (Maybe two, I don't
know about WinME.)

MSAA is pure and simply an effort to appease the the blind community and
shut them up. It is nothing more. In 1998 they had a total of three
people
on the team with two people helping out. Five people to make a major
change to the OS work correct. That compares to hundreds working on the
rest. In fact, they had a distinct lack of bete testers who are blind.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.


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Re: Multi-tasking

[Kirk Wood]

I find it rather amusing when people talk about windows as if it
represents a singular system. Especially in terms of memory management and
multi-tasking. I have studied the architecture, and can assure you that
this is the main area you will find differences between versions. You will
find major changes between Win3.x, Win9.x, NT3.5 and NT4. Thus when
speaking about how such things, you must qualify them with which versions
you are speaking about. Also, within the same version there can be several
modes going on.

For instance in NT4 and later, legacy 16 bits apps share a common memory
space and task switch among themselves. But the virtual machine they
reside in is using mapped memory and is in a pre-emptive environment.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Gregory Nowak]

Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
Any word on the price of this thing?
Greg


On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> Thought this may be of interest to people:
> 
> > The new notetaker that works!
> >
> > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker, at
> sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> >
> > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your computer
> and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> >
> > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails, listen to
> your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the same
> time!
> >
> > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all menu
> driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for power
> users.
> >
> > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface , USB
> port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> >
> > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> >
> > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for storing
> your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned build
> quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the ELba is
> the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works for
> you.
> >
> > The full specifications are as follows:
> >
> > Program Suite
> >
> > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File converter
> (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator, E-mail,
> Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote, Spreadsheet,
> Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone management,
> Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> system.
> >
> > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> >
> > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> 25-pin connector
> > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot Ethernet
> (RJ45)
> > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of modem
> (RJ45)
> > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> >
> > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> >
> > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display and
> Braille keyboard for other computers
> >
> > Visual Display Support
> >
> > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> >
> > Technical Specifications
> >
> > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > Linux operating system
> > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> >
> > Physical Characteristics
> >
> > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > Aluminium-magnesium case
> >
> > Carry Case
> >
> > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> >
> > Papenmeier UK
> > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> >
> 
> 
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

Rumor has the price at around $6K U.S., but it's just rumor. I really
don't know. It's believable, though, considering the competition's prices,
and considering the fact that braille displays are still very dear.
 On
Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> Any word on the price of this thing?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> >
> > > The new notetaker that works!
> > >
> > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker, at
> > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > >
> > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your computer
> > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > >
> > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails, listen to
> > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the same
> > time!
> > >
> > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all menu
> > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for power
> > users.
> > >
> > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface , USB
> > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > >
> > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > >
> > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for storing
> > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned build
> > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the ELba is
> > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works for
> > you.
> > >
> > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > >
> > > Program Suite
> > >
> > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File converter
> > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator, E-mail,
> > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote, Spreadsheet,
> > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone management,
> > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> > system.
> > >
> > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > >
> > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> > 25-pin connector
> > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot Ethernet
> > (RJ45)
> > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of modem
> > (RJ45)
> > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > >
> > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > >
> > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display and
> > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > >
> > > Visual Display Support
> > >
> > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> > >
> > > Technical Specifications
> > >
> > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > Linux operating system
> > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > >
> > > Physical Characteristics
> > >
> > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > >
> > > Carry Case
> > >
> > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > >
> > > Papenmeier UK
> > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

If it's #6,000 that's $12,000 here.

Ann P.

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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

Ann, I specifically said $6K U.S.  The dollar sign is not the Euro sign,
ya'know.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> If it's #6,000 that's $12,000 here.
>
> Ann P.
>
>

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

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King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Aw, gees, another mistake to chalk up today.  Ah, well, even $5,000 is
too much for me.  I wish it weren't.  I'd love to have such a unit!  

I sent them email, and it bounced.

Ann P.

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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

If the figure of #6,000 is right, then we're talkin' $8500.  

Ann P.

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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

Huh? If you think of K to mean killo-dollars as in killobytes, then that
would be 6144 -- i.e. 6 times 1024.

Actually, I think the base 2 factor is only applied to bytes, not dollars.
But, what do I know? Just your friendly failing mortal here!


On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> If the figure of #6,000 is right, then we're talkin' $8500.
>
> Ann P.
>
>

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

RE: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Stephen Dawes]

The Kilo concept comes from the metric measurement system.  1K = 1000 units.
E.G. 1KM = 1000 meters. 1KG = 1000 Grams.

The computer industry has adopted this for its Kilobytes, even though a
Kilobyte is 1024 bytes.

You may have also seen Y2K for Year 2000, and the dreaded Win2K for Windows
2000.

Now just to confuse the issue, M is the roman numeral for 1000.

HTH!
Stephen Dawes B.A. B.Sc.
Web Business Office, The City of Calgary
PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
FAX: (403) 268-6423
E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
Internet: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca


> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: 2001 June 27 10:38 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> Huh? If you think of K to mean killo-dollars as in killobytes, then that
> would be 6144 -- i.e. 6 times 1024.
>
> Actually, I think the base 2 factor is only applied to bytes, not dollars.
> But, what do I know? Just your friendly failing mortal here!
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > If the figure of #6,000 is right, then we're talkin' $8500.
> >
> > Ann P.
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
>
>
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Mike Calvo]

How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> Any word on the price of this thing?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> >
> > > The new notetaker that works!
> > >
> > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker, at
> > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > >
> > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
computer
> > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > >
> > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails, listen
to
> > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
same
> > time!
> > >
> > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
menu
> > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
power
> > users.
> > >
> > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface , USB
> > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > >
> > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > >
> > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for storing
> > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
build
> > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the ELba
is
> > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
for
> > you.
> > >
> > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > >
> > > Program Suite
> > >
> > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
converter
> > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator, E-mail,
> > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
Spreadsheet,
> > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone management,
> > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> > system.
> > >
> > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > >
> > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> > 25-pin connector
> > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
Ethernet
> > (RJ45)
> > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of modem
> > (RJ45)
> > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > >
> > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > >
> > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
and
> > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > >
> > > Visual Display Support
> > >
> > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> > >
> > > Technical Specifications
> > >
> > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > Linux operating system
> > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > >
> > > Physical Characteristics
> > >
> > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > >
> > > Carry Case
> > >
> > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > >
> > > Papenmeier UK
> > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[David Poehlman]

ah, but than there's that 32mb of sdram.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Calvo" <mike@radiowebcaster.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> Any word on the price of this thing?
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> >
> > > The new notetaker that works!
> > >
> > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
at
> > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > >
> > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
computer
> > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > >
> > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
listen
to
> > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
same
> > time!
> > >
> > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
menu
> > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
power
> > users.
> > >
> > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
USB
> > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > >
> > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput,
and
> > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > >
> > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
storing
> > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
world-renowned
build
> > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
ELba
is
> > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
works
for
> > you.
> > >
> > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > >
> > > Program Suite
> > >
> > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
converter
> > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
E-mail,
> > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
Spreadsheet,
> > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
management,
> > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
Linux
> > system.
> > >
> > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > >
> > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
standard
> > 25-pin connector
> > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
Ethernet
> > (RJ45)
> > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
modem
> > (RJ45)
> > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > >
> > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > >
> > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
display
and
> > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > >
> > > Visual Display Support
> > >
> > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
display
> > >
> > > Technical Specifications
> > >
> > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > Linux operating system
> > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > >
> > > Physical Characteristics
> > >
> > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > >
> > > Carry Case
> > >
> > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > >
> > > Papenmeier UK
> > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Saqib Shaikh]

ok, use external storage. either a usb zip drive or ls120 drive or a pcmcia
memory card.
saqib

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@home.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> ah, but than there's that 32mb of sdram.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Calvo" <mike@radiowebcaster.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > >
> > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
> at
> > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> computer
> > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > >
> > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> listen
> to
> > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> same
> > > time!
> > > >
> > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> menu
> > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> power
> > > users.
> > > >
> > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
> USB
> > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput,
> and
> > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > >
> > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> storing
> > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> world-renowned
> build
> > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
> ELba
> is
> > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
> works
> for
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Program Suite
> > > >
> > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> converter
> > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> E-mail,
> > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> Spreadsheet,
> > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> management,
> > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
> Linux
> > > system.
> > > >
> > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > >
> > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
> standard
> > > 25-pin connector
> > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> Ethernet
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
> modem
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > >
> > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > >
> > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
> display
> and
> > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > >
> > > > Visual Display Support
> > > >
> > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
> display
> > > >
> > > > Technical Specifications
> > > >
> > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > Linux operating system
> > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > >
> > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > >
> > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > >
> > > > Carry Case
> > > >
> > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

I'm surprised their onboard memory is so very low. I guess it's intended
one will use PCMCIA hard drives. On the other hand, there's probably
enough room in the case for an internal drive. They don't seem to say
anything one way or the other about that, though
 On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Mike
Calvo wrote:

> How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > >
> > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker, at
> > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> computer
> > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > >
> > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails, listen
> to
> > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> same
> > > time!
> > > >
> > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> menu
> > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> power
> > > users.
> > > >
> > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface , USB
> > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > >
> > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for storing
> > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
> build
> > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the ELba
> is
> > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
> for
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Program Suite
> > > >
> > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> converter
> > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator, E-mail,
> > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> Spreadsheet,
> > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone management,
> > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> > > system.
> > > >
> > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > >
> > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> > > 25-pin connector
> > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> Ethernet
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of modem
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > >
> > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > >
> > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
> and
> > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > >
> > > > Visual Display Support
> > > >
> > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> > > >
> > > > Technical Specifications
> > > >
> > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > Linux operating system
> > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > >
> > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > >
> > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > >
> > > > Carry Case
> > > >
> > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Rich Caloggero]

OOPS, I didn't see this message before I wrote my query. Anyone know about
how much these pcmcia drives cost and how much they hold? How about
reliability and speed?

                    Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>


I'm surprised their onboard memory is so very low. I guess it's intended
one will use PCMCIA hard drives. On the other hand, there's probably
enough room in the case for an internal drive. They don't seem to say
anything one way or the other about that, though
 On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Mike
Calvo wrote:

> How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > >
> > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
at
> > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> computer
> > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > >
> > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
listen
> to
> > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> same
> > > time!
> > > >
> > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> menu
> > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> power
> > > users.
> > > >
> > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
USB
> > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > >
> > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
storing
> > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
> build
> > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
ELba
> is
> > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
> for
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Program Suite
> > > >
> > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> converter
> > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
E-mail,
> > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> Spreadsheet,
> > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
management,
> > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> > > system.
> > > >
> > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > >
> > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> > > 25-pin connector
> > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> Ethernet
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
modem
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > >
> > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > >
> > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
> and
> > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > >
> > > > Visual Display Support
> > > >
> > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> > > >
> > > > Technical Specifications
> > > >
> > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > Linux operating system
> > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > >
> > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > >
> > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > >
> > > > Carry Case
> > > >
> > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Saqib Shaikh]

these drives are 900mb to 1gb typically and cost i think around £50 or so,
not sure about the price. i know ibm make a drive, and other companies as
well.
saqib

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc@MIT.EDU>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> OOPS, I didn't see this message before I wrote my query. Anyone know about
> how much these pcmcia drives cost and how much they hold? How about
> reliability and speed?
>
>                     Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>
>
> I'm surprised their onboard memory is so very low. I guess it's intended
> one will use PCMCIA hard drives. On the other hand, there's probably
> enough room in the case for an internal drive. They don't seem to say
> anything one way or the other about that, though
>  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Mike
> Calvo wrote:
>
> > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > >
> > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > >
> > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
> at
> > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> > computer
> > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> listen
> > to
> > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> > same
> > > > time!
> > > > >
> > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> > menu
> > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> > power
> > > > users.
> > > > >
> > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
> USB
> > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput,
and
> > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > >
> > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> storing
> > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
world-renowned
> > build
> > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
> ELba
> > is
> > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
works
> > for
> > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > Program Suite
> > > > >
> > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> > converter
> > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> E-mail,
> > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> > Spreadsheet,
> > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> management,
> > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
Linux
> > > > system.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > >
> > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
standard
> > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> > Ethernet
> > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
> modem
> > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > >
> > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > >
> > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
display
> > and
> > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > >
> > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > >
> > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
display
> > > > >
> > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > >
> > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > >
> > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > >
> > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > >
> > > > > Carry Case
> > > > >
> > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

If memory serves, NEC has a pcmcia drive that holds around 2Gb. Hope I can
find it--I'm in the market for such a beast.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:

> these drives are 900mb to 1gb typically and cost i think around £50 or so,
> not sure about the price. i know ibm make a drive, and other companies as
> well.
> saqib
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc@MIT.EDU>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > OOPS, I didn't see this message before I wrote my query. Anyone know about
> > how much these pcmcia drives cost and how much they hold? How about
> > reliability and speed?
> >
> >                     Rich
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >
> >
> > I'm surprised their onboard memory is so very low. I guess it's intended
> > one will use PCMCIA hard drives. On the other hand, there's probably
> > enough room in the case for an internal drive. They don't seem to say
> > anything one way or the other about that, though
> >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Mike
> > Calvo wrote:
> >
> > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
> > at
> > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> > > computer
> > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> > listen
> > > to
> > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> > > same
> > > > > time!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> > > menu
> > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> > > power
> > > > > users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
> > USB
> > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput,
> and
> > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> > storing
> > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> world-renowned
> > > build
> > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
> > ELba
> > > is
> > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
> works
> > > for
> > > > > you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> > > converter
> > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> > E-mail,
> > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > management,
> > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
> Linux
> > > > > system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
> standard
> > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> > > Ethernet
> > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
> > modem
> > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
> display
> > > and
> > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
> display
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Gregory Nowak]

Enough to keep me personally entertained.
Greg


On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> 
> 
> > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > >
> > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker, at
> > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> computer
> > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > >
> > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails, listen
> to
> > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> same
> > > time!
> > > >
> > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> menu
> > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> power
> > > users.
> > > >
> > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface , USB
> > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > >
> > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for storing
> > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
> build
> > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the ELba
> is
> > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
> for
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Program Suite
> > > >
> > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> converter
> > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator, E-mail,
> > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> Spreadsheet,
> > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone management,
> > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> > > system.
> > > >
> > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > >
> > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> > > 25-pin connector
> > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> Ethernet
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of modem
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > >
> > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > >
> > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
> and
> > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > >
> > > > Visual Display Support
> > > >
> > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> > > >
> > > > Technical Specifications
> > > >
> > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > Linux operating system
> > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > >
> > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > >
> > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > >
> > > > Carry Case
> > > >
> > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Rich Caloggero]

Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This might make it
truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for personal
organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16 megabyts
isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.

                    Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


Enough to keep me personally entertained.
Greg


On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > >
> > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
at
> > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> computer
> > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > >
> > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
listen
> to
> > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> same
> > > time!
> > > >
> > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> menu
> > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> power
> > > users.
> > > >
> > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
USB
> > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > >
> > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > >
> > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
storing
> > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
> build
> > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
ELba
> is
> > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
> for
> > > you.
> > > >
> > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > >
> > > > Program Suite
> > > >
> > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> converter
> > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
E-mail,
> > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> Spreadsheet,
> > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
management,
> > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> > > system.
> > > >
> > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > >
> > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> > > 25-pin connector
> > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> Ethernet
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
modem
> > > (RJ45)
> > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > >
> > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > >
> > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
> and
> > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > >
> > > > Visual Display Support
> > > >
> > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> > > >
> > > > Technical Specifications
> > > >
> > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > Linux operating system
> > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > >
> > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > >
> > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > >
> > > > Carry Case
> > > >
> > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > >
> > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital Talking
Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in the
U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're coming
next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb per
book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at all,
unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
 On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
Caloggero wrote:

> Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This might make it
> truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for personal
> organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16 megabyts
> isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
>
>                     Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > >
> > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > >
> > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
> at
> > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> > computer
> > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> listen
> > to
> > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
> > same
> > > > time!
> > > > >
> > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
> > menu
> > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
> > power
> > > > users.
> > > > >
> > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
> USB
> > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
> > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
> > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > >
> > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> storing
> > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
> > build
> > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
> ELba
> > is
> > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
> > for
> > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > Program Suite
> > > > >
> > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> > converter
> > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> E-mail,
> > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> > Spreadsheet,
> > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> management,
> > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
> > > > system.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > >
> > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
> > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
> > Ethernet
> > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
> modem
> > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > >
> > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > >
> > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
> > and
> > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > >
> > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > >
> > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
> > > > >
> > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > >
> > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > >
> > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > >
> > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > >
> > > > > Carry Case
> > > > >
> > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Saqib Shaikh]

surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on hard
disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom drive.
saqib

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital Talking
> Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in the
> U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're coming
> next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb per
> book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at all,
> unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
>  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> Caloggero wrote:
>
> > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This might make
it
> > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
personal
> > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
megabyts
> > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> >
> >                     Rich
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
notetaker,
> > at
> > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> > > computer
> > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> > listen
> > > to
> > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at
the
> > > same
> > > > > time!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs,
all
> > > menu
> > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys
for
> > > power
> > > > > users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface
,
> > USB
> > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput,
and
> > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice
of
> > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> > storing
> > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
world-renowned
> > > build
> > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system,
the
> > ELba
> > > is
> > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
works
> > > for
> > > > > you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> > > converter
> > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> > E-mail,
> > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > management,
> > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
Linux
> > > > > system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
standard
> > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus
slot
> > > Ethernet
> > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
> > modem
> > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
display
> > > and
> > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
display
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Rich Caloggero]

Just one more thing to have to carry around and hookup each time, etc. If
your an elementary school student, say, you'd probably do better with an
all-in-one unit.
                    Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Saqib Shaikh" <ss@saqibshaikh.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: 26 June, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on hard
disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom drive.
saqib

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital Talking
> Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in the
> U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're coming
> next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb per
> book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at all,
> unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
>  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> Caloggero wrote:
>
> > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This might make
it
> > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
personal
> > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
megabyts
> > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> >
> >                     Rich
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
notetaker,
> > at
> > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> > > computer
> > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> > listen
> > > to
> > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at
the
> > > same
> > > > > time!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs,
all
> > > menu
> > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys
for
> > > power
> > > > > users.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface
,
> > USB
> > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput,
and
> > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice
of
> > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> > storing
> > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
world-renowned
> > > build
> > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system,
the
> > ELba
> > > is
> > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
works
> > > for
> > > > > you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> > > converter
> > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> > E-mail,
> > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > management,
> > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
Linux
> > > > > system.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
standard
> > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus
slot
> > > Ethernet
> > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
> > modem
> > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
display
> > > and
> > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
display
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Kirk Wood]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on hard
> disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom drive.

I don't think that carrying an extra cdrom and cable to hook it to the
system is much in line with the point of the system. Also, as far as the
playing of MP3s, I think this is more of a marketing tool then a usability
thing. At least in the near term when using solid state storage. I guess
compact flash is afordable as a medium, but....

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc. It's
the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off your
portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect something
else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
situations--like on the school bus, for example.
 On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
Saqib Shaikh wrote:

> surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on hard
> disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom drive.
> saqib
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital Talking
> > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in the
> > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're coming
> > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb per
> > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at all,
> > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > Caloggero wrote:
> >
> > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This might make
> it
> > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> personal
> > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> megabyts
> > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > >
> > >                     Rich
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> notetaker,
> > > at
> > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
> > > > computer
> > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at
> the
> > > > same
> > > > > > time!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs,
> all
> > > > menu
> > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys
> for
> > > > power
> > > > > > users.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface
> ,
> > > USB
> > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput,
> and
> > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice
> of
> > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> > > storing
> > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> world-renowned
> > > > build
> > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system,
> the
> > > ELba
> > > > is
> > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
> works
> > > > for
> > > > > > you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
> > > > converter
> > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> > > E-mail,
> > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > management,
> > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
> Linux
> > > > > > system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
> standard
> > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus
> slot
> > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
> > > modem
> > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
> display
> > > > and
> > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
> display
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[David Poehlman]

ah, but if the cdr is built in???

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc.
It's
the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off
your
portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect
something
else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
situations--like on the school bus, for example.
 On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
Saqib Shaikh wrote:

> surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on
hard
> disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom
drive.
> saqib
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital
Talking
> > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in
the
> > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're
coming
> > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb
per
> > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at
all,
> > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > Caloggero wrote:
> >
> > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This
might make
> it
> > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> personal
> > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> megabyts
> > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > >
> > >                     Rich
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> notetaker,
> > > at
> > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all
of your
> > > > computer
> > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
device.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive
e-mails,
> > > listen
> > > > to
> > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss
all at
> the
> > > > same
> > > > > > time!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of
programs,
> all
> > > > menu
> > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick
keys
> for
> > > > power
> > > > > > users.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
interface
> ,
> > > USB
> > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
imput,
> and
> > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a
choice
> of
> > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities
for
> > > storing
> > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> world-renowned
> > > > build
> > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating
system,
> the
> > > ELba
> > > > is
> > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements,
and
> works
> > > > for
> > > > > > you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from
PC, File
> > > > converter
> > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille
translator,
> > > E-mail,
> > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player,
Voicenote,
> > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > management,
> > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to
the
> Linux
> > > > > > system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel
with
> standard
> > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA /
Cardbus
> slot
> > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card
instead of
> > > modem
> > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a
Braille
> display
> > > > and
> > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external
LCD
> display
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

--

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Stephen Dawes]

My problem with this whole thing is the cost.  Once again a piece of
technology has been made and a high cost is attached to it.  If students and
individuals are to take advantage of this innovation, then why isn't cost
taken to consideration.  Cost is not a factor for the professionals of the
world, as their companies are more then likely to purchase the device for
them.  Cost becomes a problem when Little Johnny wants or needs one, and Mom
and Dad are struggling to keep on top of things as it is.  Refreshable
Braille technology has been around since late 1970's / early 1980's, and I
can't say that I have noticed a noticeable drop in the cost that is
associated with this old technology.

Don't get me wrong, I am not singing the blues for myself because cost is
not a factor for me, but I am thinking of those who benefit from this
technology, and won't because of the cost.  Yes, this is a limited market.
But how long can this limited mark be continually taken to the cleaners
before people start saying enough is enough.

Well, that is my soap box contribution before the first cup of coffee today!

Steve Dawes
PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> Sent: 2001 June 27 8:31 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> ah, but if the cdr is built in???
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
> over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
> would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
> library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc.
> It's
> the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off
> your
> portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect
> something
> else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
> situations--like on the school bus, for example.
>  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
> Saqib Shaikh wrote:
>
> > surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on
> hard
> > disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom
> drive.
> > saqib
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital
> Talking
> > > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in
> the
> > > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're
> coming
> > > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb
> per
> > > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at
> all,
> > > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> > >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > > Caloggero wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This
> might make
> > it
> > > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> > personal
> > > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> > megabyts
> > > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > > >
> > > >                     Rich
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> > notetaker,
> > > > at
> > > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all
> of your
> > > > > computer
> > > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
> device.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive
> e-mails,
> > > > listen
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss
> all at
> > the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > time!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of
> programs,
> > all
> > > > > menu
> > > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick
> keys
> > for
> > > > > power
> > > > > > > users.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
> interface
> > ,
> > > > USB
> > > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
> imput,
> > and
> > > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a
> choice
> > of
> > > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities
> for
> > > > storing
> > > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> > world-renowned
> > > > > build
> > > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating
> system,
> > the
> > > > ELba
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements,
> and
> > works
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from
> PC, File
> > > > > converter
> > > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille
> translator,
> > > > E-mail,
> > > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player,
> Voicenote,
> > > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > > management,
> > > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to
> the
> > Linux
> > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel
> with
> > standard
> > > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA /
> Cardbus
> > slot
> > > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card
> instead of
> > > > modem
> > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a
> Braille
> > display
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external
> LCD
> > display
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Rich Caloggero]

I know that in the U.S. anyhow, if a technology is seen as benneficial, it
usually gets into the schools and special ed. money is around to purchase.
But I totally agree -- refreshable braille is just too expensive ... I fall
right through the cracks -- I'm working 2 part time jobs which keeps me fed
and housed, but little more. Refreshable braille would be a wonderful thing
for me, but there's no way that me or my employers will ever be able to
afford it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Dawes" <sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> My problem with this whole thing is the cost.  Once again a piece of
> technology has been made and a high cost is attached to it.  If students
and
> individuals are to take advantage of this innovation, then why isn't cost
> taken to consideration.  Cost is not a factor for the professionals of the
> world, as their companies are more then likely to purchase the device for
> them.  Cost becomes a problem when Little Johnny wants or needs one, and
Mom
> and Dad are struggling to keep on top of things as it is.  Refreshable
> Braille technology has been around since late 1970's / early 1980's, and I
> can't say that I have noticed a noticeable drop in the cost that is
> associated with this old technology.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am not singing the blues for myself because cost is
> not a factor for me, but I am thinking of those who benefit from this
> technology, and won't because of the cost.  Yes, this is a limited market.
> But how long can this limited mark be continually taken to the cleaners
> before people start saying enough is enough.
>
> Well, that is my soap box contribution before the first cup of coffee
today!
>
> Steve Dawes
> PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
> E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> > Sent: 2001 June 27 8:31 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > ah, but if the cdr is built in???
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
> > over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
> > would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
> > library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc.
> > It's
> > the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off
> > your
> > portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect
> > something
> > else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
> > situations--like on the school bus, for example.
> >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
> > Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on
> > hard
> > > disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom
> > drive.
> > > saqib
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital
> > Talking
> > > > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in
> > the
> > > > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're
> > coming
> > > > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb
> > per
> > > > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at
> > all,
> > > > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> > > >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > > > Caloggero wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This
> > might make
> > > it
> > > > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> > > personal
> > > > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> > > megabyts
> > > > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     Rich
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> > > notetaker,
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all
> > of your
> > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
> > device.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive
> > e-mails,
> > > > > listen
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss
> > all at
> > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > time!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of
> > programs,
> > > all
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick
> > keys
> > > for
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > users.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
> > interface
> > > ,
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
> > imput,
> > > and
> > > > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a
> > choice
> > > of
> > > > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities
> > for
> > > > > storing
> > > > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> > > world-renowned
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating
> > system,
> > > the
> > > > > ELba
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements,
> > and
> > > works
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from
> > PC, File
> > > > > > converter
> > > > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille
> > translator,
> > > > > E-mail,
> > > > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player,
> > Voicenote,
> > > > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > > > management,
> > > > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to
> > the
> > > Linux
> > > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel
> > with
> > > standard
> > > > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA /
> > Cardbus
> > > slot
> > > > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card
> > instead of
> > > > > modem
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a
> > Braille
> > > display
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external
> > LCD
> > > display
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Hopefully these people will see sense and provide a speech-only version for
considerably less.

Geoff.

RE: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

The cost is driven by the price of refreshable braille displays. Take that
out of the product, and one can concieve of a device that does everything
this device does (and more) for under $1K (however Ann computes $1K).

We need some breakthroughs in refreshable braille technology. There has
been some research in that direction, but no breakthrough so far.
 On
Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Stephen Dawes wrote:

> My problem with this whole thing is the cost.  Once again a piece of
> technology has been made and a high cost is attached to it.  If students and
> individuals are to take advantage of this innovation, then why isn't cost
> taken to consideration.  Cost is not a factor for the professionals of the
> world, as their companies are more then likely to purchase the device for
> them.  Cost becomes a problem when Little Johnny wants or needs one, and Mom
> and Dad are struggling to keep on top of things as it is.  Refreshable
> Braille technology has been around since late 1970's / early 1980's, and I
> can't say that I have noticed a noticeable drop in the cost that is
> associated with this old technology.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am not singing the blues for myself because cost is
> not a factor for me, but I am thinking of those who benefit from this
> technology, and won't because of the cost.  Yes, this is a limited market.
> But how long can this limited mark be continually taken to the cleaners
> before people start saying enough is enough.
>
> Well, that is my soap box contribution before the first cup of coffee today!
>
> Steve Dawes
> PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
> E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> > Sent: 2001 June 27 8:31 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > ah, but if the cdr is built in???
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
> > over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
> > would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
> > library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc.
> > It's
> > the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off
> > your
> > portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect
> > something
> > else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
> > situations--like on the school bus, for example.
> >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
> > Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on
> > hard
> > > disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom
> > drive.
> > > saqib
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital
> > Talking
> > > > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in
> > the
> > > > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're
> > coming
> > > > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb
> > per
> > > > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at
> > all,
> > > > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> > > >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > > > Caloggero wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This
> > might make
> > > it
> > > > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> > > personal
> > > > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> > > megabyts
> > > > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     Rich
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> > > notetaker,
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all
> > of your
> > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
> > device.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive
> > e-mails,
> > > > > listen
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss
> > all at
> > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > time!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of
> > programs,
> > > all
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick
> > keys
> > > for
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > users.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
> > interface
> > > ,
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
> > imput,
> > > and
> > > > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a
> > choice
> > > of
> > > > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities
> > for
> > > > > storing
> > > > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> > > world-renowned
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating
> > system,
> > > the
> > > > > ELba
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements,
> > and
> > > works
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from
> > PC, File
> > > > > > converter
> > > > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille
> > translator,
> > > > > E-mail,
> > > > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player,
> > Voicenote,
> > > > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > > > management,
> > > > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to
> > the
> > > Linux
> > > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel
> > with
> > > standard
> > > > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA /
> > Cardbus
> > > slot
> > > > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card
> > instead of
> > > > > modem
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a
> > Braille
> > > display
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external
> > LCD
> > > display
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

RE: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

I heard once that most if not all braille displays use the same basic
technology which is heavily patented.  Is this true?

Geoff.

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Angelo Sonnesso]

Some professionals do purchase their own technology and it is not easy to
do.

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Gregory Nowak]

If they got rid of the braille display,
the cost would probably drop by $5 grand.
All though I have no problem
using speech output only with
my bns, I realize that
this is not an option for all.
Greg


On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 08:44:36AM -0600, Stephen Dawes wrote:
> My problem with this whole thing is the cost.  Once again a piece of
> technology has been made and a high cost is attached to it.  If students and
> individuals are to take advantage of this innovation, then why isn't cost
> taken to consideration.  Cost is not a factor for the professionals of the
> world, as their companies are more then likely to purchase the device for
> them.  Cost becomes a problem when Little Johnny wants or needs one, and Mom
> and Dad are struggling to keep on top of things as it is.  Refreshable
> Braille technology has been around since late 1970's / early 1980's, and I
> can't say that I have noticed a noticeable drop in the cost that is
> associated with this old technology.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, I am not singing the blues for myself because cost is
> not a factor for me, but I am thinking of those who benefit from this
> technology, and won't because of the cost.  Yes, this is a limited market.
> But how long can this limited mark be continually taken to the cleaners
> before people start saying enough is enough.
> 
> Well, that is my soap box contribution before the first cup of coffee today!
> 
> Steve Dawes
> PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
> E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> > Sent: 2001 June 27 8:31 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > ah, but if the cdr is built in???
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
> > over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
> > would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
> > library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc.
> > It's
> > the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off
> > your
> > portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect
> > something
> > else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
> > situations--like on the school bus, for example.
> >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
> > Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on
> > hard
> > > disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom
> > drive.
> > > saqib
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital
> > Talking
> > > > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in
> > the
> > > > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're
> > coming
> > > > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb
> > per
> > > > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at
> > all,
> > > > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> > > >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > > > Caloggero wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This
> > might make
> > > it
> > > > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> > > personal
> > > > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> > > megabyts
> > > > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     Rich
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> > > notetaker,
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all
> > of your
> > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
> > device.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive
> > e-mails,
> > > > > listen
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss
> > all at
> > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > time!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of
> > programs,
> > > all
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick
> > keys
> > > for
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > users.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
> > interface
> > > ,
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
> > imput,
> > > and
> > > > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a
> > choice
> > > of
> > > > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities
> > for
> > > > > storing
> > > > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> > > world-renowned
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating
> > system,
> > > the
> > > > > ELba
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements,
> > and
> > > works
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from
> > PC, File
> > > > > > converter
> > > > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille
> > translator,
> > > > > E-mail,
> > > > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player,
> > Voicenote,
> > > > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > > > management,
> > > > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to
> > the
> > > Linux
> > > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel
> > with
> > > standard
> > > > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA /
> > Cardbus
> > > slot
> > > > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card
> > instead of
> > > > > modem
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a
> > Braille
> > > display
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external
> > LCD
> > > display
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Victor Tsaran]

Steve, two hands and two feet in support! $6000 is not for a student. I
don't know why refreshable Braile hasn't improved since. Very sad, really...
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Dawes" <sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:44 PM
Subject: RE: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> My problem with this whole thing is the cost.  Once again a piece of
> technology has been made and a high cost is attached to it.  If students
and
> individuals are to take advantage of this innovation, then why isn't cost
> taken to consideration.  Cost is not a factor for the professionals of the
> world, as their companies are more then likely to purchase the device for
> them.  Cost becomes a problem when Little Johnny wants or needs one, and
Mom
> and Dad are struggling to keep on top of things as it is.  Refreshable
> Braille technology has been around since late 1970's / early 1980's, and I
> can't say that I have noticed a noticeable drop in the cost that is
> associated with this old technology.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am not singing the blues for myself because cost is
> not a factor for me, but I am thinking of those who benefit from this
> technology, and won't because of the cost.  Yes, this is a limited market.
> But how long can this limited mark be continually taken to the cleaners
> before people start saying enough is enough.
>
> Well, that is my soap box contribution before the first cup of coffee
today!
>
> Steve Dawes
> PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
> E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> > Sent: 2001 June 27 8:31 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > ah, but if the cdr is built in???
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
> > over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
> > would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
> > library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc.
> > It's
> > the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off
> > your
> > portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect
> > something
> > else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
> > situations--like on the school bus, for example.
> >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
> > Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> >
> > > surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on
> > hard
> > > disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom
> > drive.
> > > saqib
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital
> > Talking
> > > > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in
> > the
> > > > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're
> > coming
> > > > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb
> > per
> > > > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at
> > all,
> > > > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> > > >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > > > Caloggero wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This
> > might make
> > > it
> > > > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> > > personal
> > > > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> > > megabyts
> > > > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > > > >
> > > > >                     Rich
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> > > notetaker,
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all
> > of your
> > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
> > device.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive
> > e-mails,
> > > > > listen
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss
> > all at
> > > the
> > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > time!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of
> > programs,
> > > all
> > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick
> > keys
> > > for
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > users.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
> > interface
> > > ,
> > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
> > imput,
> > > and
> > > > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a
> > choice
> > > of
> > > > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities
> > for
> > > > > storing
> > > > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> > > world-renowned
> > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating
> > system,
> > > the
> > > > > ELba
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements,
> > and
> > > works
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from
> > PC, File
> > > > > > converter
> > > > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille
> > translator,
> > > > > E-mail,
> > > > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player,
> > Voicenote,
> > > > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > > > management,
> > > > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to
> > the
> > > Linux
> > > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel
> > with
> > > standard
> > > > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA /
> > Cardbus
> > > slot
> > > > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card
> > instead of
> > > > > modem
> > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a
> > Braille
> > > display
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external
> > LCD
> > > display
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > >
> > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Janina Sajka]

Refreshable braille has not improved, nor has it come down in price,
because it's a difficult problem to solve, a costly problem to solve, and
a costly technology to create a manufacturing infrastructure for. If there
were a large enough market, it would be done already. But, there is not
now, nor is there likely ever to be, sufficient market demand to resolve
this issue.
Therefore, it will be done only by government or non-profit initiative,
and some dedicated engineers more interested in doing something important
for people who are otherwise left out than in making lots of money.

Don't think that no one has tried. That is not true. There have been
several projects, most recently at NIST. But, no one has engineered a
solution that can be proven to work well and be more affordable to produce
and market.

You asked why. I have answered assuming this was not an idle question.

 On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Steve, two hands and two feet in support! $6000 is not for a student. I
> don't know why refreshable Braile hasn't improved since. Very sad, really...
> Vic
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Dawes" <sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 4:44 PM
> Subject: RE: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> > My problem with this whole thing is the cost.  Once again a piece of
> > technology has been made and a high cost is attached to it.  If students
> and
> > individuals are to take advantage of this innovation, then why isn't cost
> > taken to consideration.  Cost is not a factor for the professionals of the
> > world, as their companies are more then likely to purchase the device for
> > them.  Cost becomes a problem when Little Johnny wants or needs one, and
> Mom
> > and Dad are struggling to keep on top of things as it is.  Refreshable
> > Braille technology has been around since late 1970's / early 1980's, and I
> > can't say that I have noticed a noticeable drop in the cost that is
> > associated with this old technology.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I am not singing the blues for myself because cost is
> > not a factor for me, but I am thinking of those who benefit from this
> > technology, and won't because of the cost.  Yes, this is a limited market.
> > But how long can this limited mark be continually taken to the cleaners
> > before people start saying enough is enough.
> >
> > Well, that is my soap box contribution before the first cup of coffee
> today!
> >
> > Steve Dawes
> > PHONE:  (403) 268-5527.
> > E-MAIL ADDRESS:  sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> > > Sent: 2001 June 27 8:31 AM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > ah, but if the cdr is built in???
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:54 AM
> > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > >
> > >
> > > You miss the point, I think. DTBs will be distributed in many ways--even
> > > over the net, eventually. But, even if one gets a CDR based book, one
> > > would still prefer to copy it to one's hd before heading off to the
> > > library, the schoolroom, the conference room, the airport, etc., etc.
> > > It's
> > > the same old argument I've made here before--having stuff hanging off
> > > your
> > > portable unit is less than optimal. The more you need to connect
> > > something
> > > else using a cable, the less inclined you are to do so in many portable
> > > situations--like on the school bus, for example.
> > >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001,
> > > Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > >
> > > > surely digital talking books will be distributed on cdrom, and not on
> > > hard
> > > > disk, so all they need is to support a usb/pcmcia/parallel cdrom
> > > drive.
> > > > saqib
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital
> > > Talking
> > > > > Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in
> > > the
> > > > > U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're
> > > coming
> > > > > next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb
> > > per
> > > > > book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at
> > > all,
> > > > > unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
> > > > >  On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
> > > > > Caloggero wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This
> > > might make
> > > > it
> > > > > > truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
> > > > personal
> > > > > > organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
> > > > megabyts
> > > > > > isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                     Rich
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > > > > > > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > > > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > > > > > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > > > > > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
> > > > notetaker,
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all
> > > of your
> > > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
> > > device.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive
> > > e-mails,
> > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss
> > > all at
> > > > the
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > time!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of
> > > programs,
> > > > all
> > > > > > > menu
> > > > > > > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick
> > > keys
> > > > for
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > users.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
> > > interface
> > > > ,
> > > > > > USB
> > > > > > > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
> > > imput,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a
> > > choice
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities
> > > for
> > > > > > storing
> > > > > > > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
> > > > world-renowned
> > > > > > > build
> > > > > > > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating
> > > system,
> > > > the
> > > > > > ELba
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements,
> > > and
> > > > works
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Program Suite
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from
> > > PC, File
> > > > > > > converter
> > > > > > > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille
> > > translator,
> > > > > > E-mail,
> > > > > > > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player,
> > > Voicenote,
> > > > > > > Spreadsheet,
> > > > > > > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> > > > > > management,
> > > > > > > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to
> > > the
> > > > Linux
> > > > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel
> > > with
> > > > standard
> > > > > > > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > > > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA /
> > > Cardbus
> > > > slot
> > > > > > > Ethernet
> > > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card
> > > instead of
> > > > > > modem
> > > > > > > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > > > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a
> > > Braille
> > > > display
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external
> > > LCD
> > > > display
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > > > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > > > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > > > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > > > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Carry Case
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > > > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > > > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > >
> > > > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > > > http://www.openebook.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > > >
> > > > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Angelo Sonnesso]

This unit appears to have a USB port so you could use one of these new
pocket hard drives.
You could also use a PCMCIA memory card .
But those are not cheap alternatives added to the expense of the note taker.
A note taker like a personal data assistant is not a laptop.
But this unit is more than just a note taker.
Anyone know where we can pickup $6000.00.

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[David Poehlman]

no hd necessary.  cd or different media is what is needed.  who wants to
fill their hard drives with talking books anyway?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


Actually, this memory storage defect is rather serious. Digital Talking
Books are really here if you're a K-12 student in a blind school in the
U.S. They're also already a reality in Japan and Sweden. They're coming
next spring in Canada and Great Britain. They needs hundreds of Mb per
book on average, so will not be well supported in this device at all,
unless Papenmeier get a real hd inside but soon.
 On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Rich
Caloggero wrote:

> Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This might
make it
> truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for
personal
> organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16
megabyts
> isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
>
>                     Rich
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
> Enough to keep me personally entertained.
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
> > How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> >
> >
> > > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
> > > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
> > > Any word on the price of this thing?
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
> > > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
> > > >
> > > > > The new notetaker that works!
> > > > >
> > > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille
notetaker,
> at
> > > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of
your
> > computer
> > > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use
device.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
> listen
> > to
> > > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at
the
> > same
> > > > time!
> > > > >
> > > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs,
all
> > menu
> > > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys
for
> > power
> > > > users.
> > > > >
> > > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel
interface ,
> USB
> > > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille
imput, and
> > > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice
of
> > > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
> > > > >
> > > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
> storing
> > > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers
world-renowned
> > build
> > > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system,
the
> ELba
> > is
> > > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and
works
> > for
> > > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > > The full specifications are as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > Program Suite
> > > > >
> > > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC,
File
> > converter
> > > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
> E-mail,
> > > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
> > Spreadsheet,
> > > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
> management,
> > > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the
Linux
> > > > system.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
> > > > >
> > > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with
standard
> > > > 25-pin connector
> > > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus
slot
> > Ethernet
> > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead
of
> modem
> > > > (RJ45)
> > > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
> > > > >
> > > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
> > > > >
> > > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille
display
> > and
> > > > Braille keyboard for other computers
> > > > >
> > > > > Visual Display Support
> > > > >
> > > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD
display
> > > > >
> > > > > Technical Specifications
> > > > >
> > > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
> > > > > Linux operating system
> > > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
> > > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
> > > > >
> > > > > Physical Characteristics
> > > > >
> > > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
> > > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
> > > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
> > > > >
> > > > > Carry Case
> > > > >
> > > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Papenmeier UK
> > > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
> > > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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>
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Technology Research and Development
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American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Is this $6K US for the 18 or 32 cell version?

Geoff.

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Jack]

nope, but they do make pcmcia memory, which you can use in the slot
if not that, then you can use the memory they have for cameras and buy an
adapter that will fit the pcmcia slot.
you can get em in 100 meg sslot.
i think its about $75 for each card with 100megs.
so its not bad
At 05:49 PM 6/26/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Now, can you get a hard drive in a PCCard (pcmcia) form? This might make it
>truly usable. Well, actually, for a straight portable computer for personal
>organizing and business applications, it looks great. However, 16 megabyts
>isn't even 4 moderately long mp3s.
>
>                    Rich
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: 26 June, 2001 5:33 PM
>Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>
>
>Enough to keep me personally entertained.
>Greg
>
>
>On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 03:16:00PM -0400, Mike Calvo wrote:
>> How many of your best mp3 files would fit in 16mb I wonder.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gregory Nowak" <romualt@megsinet.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 2:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
>>
>>
>> > Sounds like Freedom Scientific and
>> > Paulse Data just got some formidable compatition.
>> > Any word on the price of this thing?
>> > Greg
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
>> > > Thought this may be of interest to people:
>> > >
>> > > > The new notetaker that works!
>> > > >
>> > > > Papenmeier will be demonstrating their new ELBA braille notetaker,
>at
>> > > sight Village on the 16th to the 18th July.
>> > > >
>> > > > The ELBA Papenmeiers New Braille Assistant, combines all of your
>> computer
>> > > and Braille requirements into one compact and easy to use device.
>> > > >
>> > > > With the ELBA, you can surf the web, send and receive e-mails,
>listen
>> to
>> > > your favourite MP3 files, and write a letter to your Boss all at the
>> same
>> > > time!
>> > > >
>> > > > The Braille Assistant comes with a complete suite of programs, all
>> menu
>> > > driven, for easy use, with the added functionality of quick keys for
>> power
>> > > users.
>> > > >
>> > > > It includes a modem, network card, serial and parallel interface ,
>USB
>> > > port and PCMCIA slot, all as standard!
>> > > >
>> > > > The ELBA offers its users the choice of querty or Braille imput, and
>> > > provides output and feedback with excellent speech with a choice of
>> > > languages, and 18 or 32 cell refreshable Braille display.
>> > > >
>> > > > With its multi-tasking abilities, large storage facilities for
>storing
>> > > your documents and MP3 files, combined with Papenmeiers world-renowned
>> build
>> > > quality, the speed and stability of the Linux operating system, the
>ELba
>> is
>> > > the Braille Notetaker that takes note of your requirements, and works
>> for
>> > > you.
>> > > >
>> > > > The full specifications are as follows:
>> > > >
>> > > > Program Suite
>> > > >
>> > > > Word processor, File Manager, File transfer to and from PC, File
>> converter
>> > > (read and write WinWord compatible format), Braille translator,
>E-mail,
>> > > Internet browser, Scientific Calculator, MP3 Player, Voicenote,
>> Spreadsheet,
>> > > Scheduler / Planner, Address book, Data base, Cellular phone
>management,
>> > > Root shell (bash) for power users allowing direct access to the Linux
>> > > system.
>> > > >
>> > > > The ELba comes with the following ports:
>> > > >
>> > > > Serial (RS232) with standard 9-pin connector, Parallel with standard
>> > > 25-pin connector
>> > > > USB Client, PS/2 keyboard, Standard Type II PCMCIA / Cardbus slot
>> Ethernet
>> > > (RJ45)
>> > > > Internal 56k modem, or optionally, internal ISDN card instead of
>modem
>> > > (RJ45)
>> > > > Speaker Output, Microphone Input
>> > > >
>> > > > Remote Braille Display capabilities
>> > > >
>> > > > Braille Terminal to allow Braillex Elba to act as a Braille display
>> and
>> > > Braille keyboard for other computers
>> > > >
>> > > > Visual Display Support
>> > > >
>> > > > Connection via the serial port to an (optional) external LCD display
>> > > >
>> > > > Technical Specifications
>> > > >
>> > > > 32-bit Digital StrongARM RISC processor
>> > > > Linux operating system
>> > > > DRAM 32 Mbytes
>> > > > Flash Memory 16 Mbytes
>> > > >
>> > > > Physical Characteristics
>> > > >
>> > > > Dimensions:  300 x 215 x 50 mm (11.8" x 8.5" x 2")
>> > > > ca. 2 Kg (4.5 lb) for 32-cell version
>> > > > Aluminium-magnesium case
>> > > >
>> > > > Carry Case
>> > > >
>> > > > Soft carrying case with shoulder strap.
>> > > >
>> > > > Papenmeier UK
>> > > > Telephone Number 0870 6061506   Fax 01245 231157
>> > > > E-mail  Braillex@globalnet.co.uk
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Speakup mailing list
>> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi,
This definitely makes my mouth watter! This thing does sound like a good
alternative to BrailleNote. The price, if Janina's word turns out to be
true, is a bit too high though. Some of the tech specifications are a bit
snicky: 32-bit RISC processor does not indicate its speed, Linux does not
indicate the version of the OS they are using. But, I think it was a great
idea to use Linux instead of Windows CE.
Well, let's see!
Victor

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[philwh]

If they are using the processor that I think they are,
it is the strongarm 200mhz processor.
It is plenty fast enough for most applications.
While I was working at blazie engineering and the freedom scientific
we started to develop such a device.
I had a development machine
based on this processor running linux,
and it was a very nice system.
phil

On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 12:26:55AM +0200, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Hi,
> This definitely makes my mouth watter! This thing does sound like a good
> alternative to BrailleNote. The price, if Janina's word turns out to be
> true, is a bit too high though. Some of the tech specifications are a bit
> snicky: 32-bit RISC processor does not indicate its speed, Linux does not
> indicate the version of the OS they are using. But, I think it was a great
> idea to use Linux instead of Windows CE.
> Well, let's see!
> Victor
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Victor Tsaran]

Here is an interesting question. Why do all these machines use 200MHZ
processor? BrailleNote uses this one, another device that I know of, it's
being developped, uses the same one... Can't they use something faster? Try
to open a 1000-page Word file and you'll see what I mean!
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: <philwh@gate.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


> If they are using the processor that I think they are,
> it is the strongarm 200mhz processor.
> It is plenty fast enough for most applications.
> While I was working at blazie engineering and the freedom scientific
> we started to develop such a device.
> I had a development machine
> based on this processor running linux,
> and it was a very nice system.
> phil
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 12:26:55AM +0200, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> > Hi,
> > This definitely makes my mouth watter! This thing does sound like a good
> > alternative to BrailleNote. The price, if Janina's word turns out to be
> > true, is a bit too high though. Some of the tech specifications are a
bit
> > snicky: 32-bit RISC processor does not indicate its speed, Linux does
not
> > indicate the version of the OS they are using. But, I think it was a
great
> > idea to use Linux instead of Windows CE.
> > Well, let's see!
> > Victor
> >
> >
> >
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Gregory Nowak]

Also try to use the braillenote's
internal hsp modem, and you'll also know
what is meant.
Greg


On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 07:19:21PM +0200, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Here is an interesting question. Why do all these machines use 200MHZ
> processor? BrailleNote uses this one, another device that I know of, it's
> being developped, uses the same one... Can't they use something faster? Try
> to open a 1000-page Word file and you'll see what I mean!
> Victor
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <philwh@gate.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:50 AM
> Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier
> 
> 
> > If they are using the processor that I think they are,
> > it is the strongarm 200mhz processor.
> > It is plenty fast enough for most applications.
> > While I was working at blazie engineering and the freedom scientific
> > we started to develop such a device.
> > I had a development machine
> > based on this processor running linux,
> > and it was a very nice system.
> > phil
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 12:26:55AM +0200, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > This definitely makes my mouth watter! This thing does sound like a good
> > > alternative to BrailleNote. The price, if Janina's word turns out to be
> > > true, is a bit too high though. Some of the tech specifications are a
> bit
> > > snicky: 32-bit RISC processor does not indicate its speed, Linux does
> not
> > > indicate the version of the OS they are using. But, I think it was a
> great
> > > idea to use Linux instead of Windows CE.
> > > Well, let's see!
> > > Victor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> >
> 
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Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[Kirk Wood]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Here is an interesting question. Why do all these machines use 200MHZ
> processor? BrailleNote uses this one, another device that I know of, it's
> being developped, uses the same one... Can't they use something faster? Try
> to open a 1000-page Word file and you'll see what I mean!

Excuse me but what in the HELL are you doing with a 1000 page word
file? Word has features to allow you to work with a complex document
consisting of several others and this is really what you should look at
doing with a 1000 page anything. It isn't like you will be able to read
that in a sitting anyway.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier

[David Poehlman]

in addition, 2m is quite fast enough without video to slow it down.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: New Braille Notetaker From Papenmeier


On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> Here is an interesting question. Why do all these machines use 200MHZ
> processor? BrailleNote uses this one, another device that I know of,
it's
> being developped, uses the same one... Can't they use something
faster? Try
> to open a 1000-page Word file and you'll see what I mean!

Excuse me but what in the HELL are you doing with a 1000 page word
file? Word has features to allow you to work with a complex document
consisting of several others and this is really what you should look at
doing with a 1000 page anything. It isn't like you will be able to read
that in a sitting anyway.

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.


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RE: Multi-tasking

[mo.valli]

Aha, but how many are worth the disk they are recorded on?

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Wood [mailto:cpt.kirk@1tree.net]
Sent: 03 July 2001 14:23
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking 


On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Ah, Dave, but I am not using JFW.

You didn't get the memo that there is only one real screen reader?

=======
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Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

shame on all of you.  I'm perfectly with the 5 or six I have.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mo.valli@bt.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: Multi-tasking 


Aha, but how many are worth the disk they are recorded on?

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Wood [mailto:cpt.kirk@1tree.net]
Sent: 03 July 2001 14:23
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking 


On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Ah, Dave, but I am not using JFW.

You didn't get the memo that there is only one real screen reader?

=======
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

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If your too open minded, your brains will fall out.


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RE: multi-tasking

[Bruce Noblick]

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Hi!

The comment about getting funding reminds me of just how many ATM's there are at drive throughs with Braille on them.  It isn't just that it sounds incongruous but it isn't just the keyboard we need access to and I'll bet someone got a lot of money for making them accessible to us.  Oh my! I forgot! I'm supposed to be grateful so let me express my profuse thanks for their efforts on our behalf -- grin.

Enjoy!
Bruce


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RE: Multi-tasking

[Holmes, Steve]

If you are using Wineyes 4.1, the latest and best version, you can hit the
enter key on the combo box and out of habit use the alt down arrow key
combination.  This will work for even those that auto trigger when arrowing
through them.  Pressing alt-down arrow will keep it from triggering until
you press the tab key to leave that control's focus.

When I have to spend time with windows, Window-Eyes does a darn good job of
making the experience pleasant.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt@megsinet.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:04 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
(because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select what
you would like.
Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the
self-activating kind
(the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
hit an arrow key).
Hope this helps.
Greg


On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
> 
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Re: Multi-tasking

[David Poehlman]

I've found the same behaviour with jfw.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: Multi-tasking


If you are using Wineyes 4.1, the latest and best version, you can hit
the
enter key on the combo box and out of habit use the alt down arrow key
combination.  This will work for even those that auto trigger when
arrowing
through them.  Pressing alt-down arrow will keep it from triggering
until
you press the tab key to leave that control's focus.

When I have to spend time with windows, Window-Eyes does a darn good job
of
making the experience pleasant.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Nowak [mailto:romualt@megsinet.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:04 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Multi-tasking


Aha. In wineyes, when you're on a combo box,
turn off msaa with ctrl+shift+a, tab again to the combo box
(because you've been moved off of it), and use down/up arrows to select
what
you would like.
Once you've made your selection, hit enter on it.
I've generally found wineyes 3.1 (which is the latest I have here)
to work fine with combo boxes. The only onse it has trouble with are the
self-activating kind
(the kind that take you right away to the next web page as soon as you
hit an arrow key).
Hope this helps.
Greg


On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 10:30:13AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Dave, this is win98, with MSIE 5 and Win-eyes 4.1.
>
> Ann P.
>
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