Re: Voice Synthesizers

Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Frank J. Carmickle]

They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They sure do
look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.

FC


On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke off of
> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as things might
> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk, thought
> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec connectors,
> not sure.
> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello all:
> >
> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> >
> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> >
> >Terry
> >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke off of
mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as things might
fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk, thought
it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec connectors,
not sure.
At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello all:
>
>Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
>serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
>dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
>voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>
>I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
>And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
>why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
>servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
>this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
>
>Terry
>
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>
>

Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to the
network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular rj45 be
worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They sure do
>look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
>
>FC
>
>
>On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke off of
>> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
>> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
>> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as things might
>> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk, thought
>> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec connectors,
>> not sure.
>> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Hello all:
>> >
>> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
>> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
the
>> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
serial
>> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>> >
>> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
made.
>> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
>> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
>> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
use
>> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
>> >
>> >Terry
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Frank J. Carmickle]

Well you may confuse them, and I have never tried to see if they fit.  But
the serial cable for a dectalk is flat.  All ethernet cables I have ever
seen are round.  Can't really screw that one up.

FC


On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to the
> network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular rj45 be
> worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
> At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They sure do
> >look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
> >
> >FC
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> >
> >> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke off of
> >> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
> >> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
> >> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as things might
> >> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk, thought
> >> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec connectors,
> >> not sure.
> >> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >Hello all:
> >> >
> >> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> >> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
> the
> >> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
> serial
> >> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> >> >
> >> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
> made.
> >> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> >> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> >> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
> use
> >> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> >> >
> >> >Terry
> >> >
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> >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Christopher Moore]

Hello,
The dectalk cable is a straight-through rj45 with a serial adapter on the
other end.  So you should be able to make one and clip the serial adapter
from your broken cable.


73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:

> Well you may confuse them, and I have never tried to see if they fit.  But
> the serial cable for a dectalk is flat.  All ethernet cables I have ever
> seen are round.  Can't really screw that one up.
> 
> FC
> 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> 
> > Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to the
> > network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular rj45 be
> > worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
> > At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > >They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They sure do
> > >look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
> > >
> > >FC
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke off of
> > >> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
> > >> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
> > >> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as things might
> > >> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk, thought
> > >> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec connectors,
> > >> not sure.
> > >> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >Hello all:
> > >> >
> > >> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> > >> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
> > the
> > >> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
> > serial
> > >> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> > >> >
> > >> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
> > made.
> > >> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> > >> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> > >> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
> > use
> > >> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> > >> >
> > >> >Terry
> > >> >
> > >> >_______________________________________________
> > >> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> 
> > >> 
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> > >> 
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Kirk Wood]

You could find out if a regular rj-45 connector would fit in the dectalk
by trying it. You may have to break the tab off. Since a cable isn't that
expensive it wouldn't be a high cost experiment, but you would still have
a cable subject to falling out.

As for if it would work, it most certainly would work fine. My company
uses cat5 cable for 19600 baud serial link all the time. A flat cable also
works for the application. But the cable shape and the connector have
nothing to do with each other really. (Unless you are looking at coax.)

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Frank J. Carmickle]

This is not so.  It's not a standard rj45.

FC

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Christopher Moore wrote:

> Hello,
> The dectalk cable is a straight-through rj45 with a serial adapter on the
> other end.  So you should be able to make one and clip the serial adapter
> from your broken cable.
> 
> 
> 73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
> 
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> 
> > Well you may confuse them, and I have never tried to see if they fit.  But
> > the serial cable for a dectalk is flat.  All ethernet cables I have ever
> > seen are round.  Can't really screw that one up.
> > 
> > FC
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> > 
> > > Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to the
> > > network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular rj45 be
> > > worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
> > > At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They sure do
> > > >look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
> > > >
> > > >FC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke off of
> > > >> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
> > > >> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
> > > >> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as things might
> > > >> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk, thought
> > > >> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec connectors,
> > > >> not sure.
> > > >> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >> >Hello all:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> > > >> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
> > > the
> > > >> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
> > > serial
> > > >> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
> > > made.
> > > >> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> > > >> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> > > >> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
> > > use
> > > >> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Terry
> > > >> >
> > > >> >_______________________________________________
> > > >> >Speakup mailing list
> > > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
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> > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

Is there something that'll fit in a dectalk that one can get at standard
places, I have one with the tab broke off, on one end, it gives error in
command parameter sometimes like this, as one end isn't attached firmly.
The one that's supposed to go in to the computer is the one with the tab
broke, the cable, not the adapter.
At 06:48 AM 9/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>You could find out if a regular rj-45 connector would fit in the dectalk
>by trying it. You may have to break the tab off. Since a cable isn't that
>expensive it wouldn't be a high cost experiment, but you would still have
>a cable subject to falling out.
>
>As for if it would work, it most certainly would work fine. My company
>uses cat5 cable for 19600 baud serial link all the time. A flat cable also
>works for the application. But the cable shape and the connector have
>nothing to do with each other really. (Unless you are looking at coax.)
>
>-- 
>Kirk Wood
>Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>------------------
>
>Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
>		Alfred North Whitehead
>
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

The adapter is sticking out of the back of my laptop's serial port. I leave
it this way, so the cover stays up, and I can find it, when dad helped me
set it up, we couldn't find the serial port at first, it was covered. Now
that the adapter is sticking out it'll always be exposed because it's
bigger than the cover, but now that cable. Isn't the same connector on both
ends? Is that serial adapter in the end of the cable, or is that the part
that goes in to the comport, if it's what goes in to the comport, that part
is fine, just a little tab on one end of the connector.
At 10:35 AM 9/6/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello,
>The dectalk cable is a straight-through rj45 with a serial adapter on the
>other end.  So you should be able to make one and clip the serial adapter
>from your broken cable.
>
>
>73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
>SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
>
>On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
>
>> Well you may confuse them, and I have never tried to see if they fit.  But
>> the serial cable for a dectalk is flat.  All ethernet cables I have ever
>> seen are round.  Can't really screw that one up.
>> 
>> FC
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>> 
>> > Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to
the
>> > network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular rj45 be
>> > worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
>> > At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> > >They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They
sure do
>> > >look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
>> > >
>> > >FC
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke
off of
>> > >> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
>> > >> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
>> > >> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as
things might
>> > >> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk,
thought
>> > >> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec
connectors,
>> > >> not sure.
>> > >> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >> >Hello all:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an
external
>> > >> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up
between
>> > the
>> > >> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
>> > serial
>> > >> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
>> > made.
>> > >> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have
no idea
>> > >> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their
terminal
>> > >> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only
one's who
>> > use
>> > >> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Terry
>> > >> >
>> > >> >_______________________________________________
>> > >> >Speakup mailing list
>> > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> 
>> > >> 
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>> > >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Christopher Moore]

Brent,
The rd45 cable is two identical ends.  One plugs into the dectalk and the
other into the square serial connector which you plug into your PC serial
port.  You can replace the rj45 cable if you have the cable, two end
connectorsand a crimping tool.  I don't know what Digltal would chargefor
a cable, but it would probably be considerably more than making your own.
Chris

73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> The adapter is sticking out of the back of my laptop's serial port. I leave
> it this way, so the cover stays up, and I can find it, when dad helped me
> set it up, we couldn't find the serial port at first, it was covered. Now
> that the adapter is sticking out it'll always be exposed because it's
> bigger than the cover, but now that cable. Isn't the same connector on both
> ends? Is that serial adapter in the end of the cable, or is that the part
> that goes in to the comport, if it's what goes in to the comport, that part
> is fine, just a little tab on one end of the connector.
> At 10:35 AM 9/6/00 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >The dectalk cable is a straight-through rj45 with a serial adapter on the
> >other end.  So you should be able to make one and clip the serial adapter
> >from your broken cable.
> >
> >
> >73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
> >SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
> >
> >On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> >
> >> Well you may confuse them, and I have never tried to see if they fit.  But
> >> the serial cable for a dectalk is flat.  All ethernet cables I have ever
> >> seen are round.  Can't really screw that one up.
> >> 
> >> FC
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to
> the
> >> > network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular rj45 be
> >> > worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
> >> > At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >> > >They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They
> sure do
> >> > >look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
> >> > >
> >> > >FC
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke
> off of
> >> > >> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
> >> > >> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
> >> > >> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as
> things might
> >> > >> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk,
> thought
> >> > >> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec
> connectors,
> >> > >> not sure.
> >> > >> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >> > >> >Hello all:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an
> external
> >> > >> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up
> between
> >> > the
> >> > >> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
> >> > serial
> >> > >> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
> >> > made.
> >> > >> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have
> no idea
> >> > >> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their
> terminal
> >> > >> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only
> one's who
> >> > use
> >> > >> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Terry
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >_______________________________________________
> >> > >> >Speakup mailing list
> >> > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> Speakup mailing list
> >> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> > >> 
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >_______________________________________________
> >> > >Speakup mailing list
> >> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Speakup mailing list
> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> 
> >
> >
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> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Kirk Wood]

If the cable in question is a striaght through cable using rj45 connectors
I would highly recomend going and getting a standard Cat5 patch cable in
the desired length. This will meet your needs perfectly. If in doubt it is
easy. Go to the store with the unit and check it out. The cost is a few
minutes time to find out. The cable shouldn't run more then a few dollars
if you choose grey. A little more for other colors. One option you might
consider is getting a snagless cable. It will cost a couple more dollars,
but is designed so the tab that holds the cable in won't catch on things
and will be less likely to break.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Frank J. Carmickle]

The connector for the dectalk express and an rj45 are not the same.  The
connector for the dectalk is a six conductor design where the rj45 is an
eight conductor design.  They are not the same size either.  The rj45 is
bigger.  Plus the dectalk connector has an offset clip.  

FC


On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Christopher Moore wrote:

> Brent,
> The rd45 cable is two identical ends.  One plugs into the dectalk and the
> other into the square serial connector which you plug into your PC serial
> port.  You can replace the rj45 cable if you have the cable, two end
> connectorsand a crimping tool.  I don't know what Digltal would chargefor
> a cable, but it would probably be considerably more than making your own.
> Chris
> 
> 73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
> 
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> 
> > The adapter is sticking out of the back of my laptop's serial port. I leave
> > it this way, so the cover stays up, and I can find it, when dad helped me
> > set it up, we couldn't find the serial port at first, it was covered. Now
> > that the adapter is sticking out it'll always be exposed because it's
> > bigger than the cover, but now that cable. Isn't the same connector on both
> > ends? Is that serial adapter in the end of the cable, or is that the part
> > that goes in to the comport, if it's what goes in to the comport, that part
> > is fine, just a little tab on one end of the connector.
> > At 10:35 AM 9/6/00 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Hello,
> > >The dectalk cable is a straight-through rj45 with a serial adapter on the
> > >other end.  So you should be able to make one and clip the serial adapter
> > >from your broken cable.
> > >
> > >
> > >73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
> > >SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
> > >
> > >On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well you may confuse them, and I have never tried to see if they fit.  But
> > >> the serial cable for a dectalk is flat.  All ethernet cables I have ever
> > >> seen are round.  Can't really screw that one up.
> > >> 
> > >> FC
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> > Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to
> > the
> > >> > network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular rj45 be
> > >> > worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
> > >> > At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > >> > >They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They
> > sure do
> > >> > >look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >FC
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke
> > off of
> > >> > >> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
> > >> > >> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
> > >> > >> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as
> > things might
> > >> > >> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk,
> > thought
> > >> > >> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec
> > connectors,
> > >> > >> not sure.
> > >> > >> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> > >> >Hello all:
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an
> > external
> > >> > >> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up
> > between
> > >> > the
> > >> > >> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
> > >> > serial
> > >> > >> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
> > >> > made.
> > >> > >> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have
> > no idea
> > >> > >> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their
> > terminal
> > >> > >> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only
> > one's who
> > >> > use
> > >> > >> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >Terry
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________
> > >> > >> >Speakup mailing list
> > >> > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> 
> > >> > >> 
> > >> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> > >> 
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >_______________________________________________
> > >> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Speakup mailing list
> > >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> > 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >> 
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

Incredible, don't the connectors come from digital? One of them works, but
one is broke, the cable is just fine.
At 07:14 AM 9/7/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Brent,
>The rd45 cable is two identical ends.  One plugs into the dectalk and the
>other into the square serial connector which you plug into your PC serial
>port.  You can replace the rj45 cable if you have the cable, two end
>connectorsand a crimping tool.  I don't know what Digltal would chargefor
>a cable, but it would probably be considerably more than making your own.
>Chris
>
>73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
>SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
>
>On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>> The adapter is sticking out of the back of my laptop's serial port. I leave
>> it this way, so the cover stays up, and I can find it, when dad helped me
>> set it up, we couldn't find the serial port at first, it was covered. Now
>> that the adapter is sticking out it'll always be exposed because it's
>> bigger than the cover, but now that cable. Isn't the same connector on both
>> ends? Is that serial adapter in the end of the cable, or is that the part
>> that goes in to the comport, if it's what goes in to the comport, that part
>> is fine, just a little tab on one end of the connector.
>> At 10:35 AM 9/6/00 +0000, you wrote:
>> >Hello,
>> >The dectalk cable is a straight-through rj45 with a serial adapter on the
>> >other end.  So you should be able to make one and clip the serial adapter
>> >from your broken cable.
>> >
>> >
>> >73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
>> >SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
>> >
>> >On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well you may confuse them, and I have never tried to see if they fit.
 But
>> >> the serial cable for a dectalk is flat.  All ethernet cables I have ever
>> >> seen are round.  Can't really screw that one up.
>> >> 
>> >> FC
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > Would they end up fitting together, if I'd accidentally connect one to
>> the
>> >> > network, and connect the real network to the dectalk? Can regular
rj45 be
>> >> > worked with dectalk, or does it need to be bought from dec?
>> >> > At 05:50 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >> > >They aren't rj45s.  They are only six conductor connectors.  They
>> sure do
>> >> > >look alike except for the offset tab.  Stupid DEC again.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >FC
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke
>> off of
>> >> > >> mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
>> >> > >> something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a
network
>> >> > >> card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as
>> things might
>> >> > >> fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk,
>> thought
>> >> > >> it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec
>> connectors,
>> >> > >> not sure.
>> >> > >> At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> > >> >Hello all:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an
>> external
>> >> > >> >serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up
>> between
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> >dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion
concerning
>> >> > serial
>> >> > >> >voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem
very well
>> >> > made.
>> >> > >> >And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have
>> no idea
>> >> > >> >why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their
>> terminal
>> >> > >> >servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only
>> one's who
>> >> > use
>> >> > >> >this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a
cable.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Terry
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> > >> >Speakup mailing list
>> >> > >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> > >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> 
>> >> > >> 
>> >> > >> _______________________________________________
>> >> > >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> > >> 
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >_______________________________________________
>> >> > >Speakup mailing list
>> >> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > Speakup mailing list
>> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Speakup mailing list
>> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
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>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
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>
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>
>

Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

Interesting, I had my laptop in it's case in the car on a long trip last
October. I really didn't want to bring it, but I needed it for an
assignment I had then, and when I plugged the cable in to the laptop, in to
that square adapter, the tab didn't lock, and when I flipped it back to the
position it should've been in, it broke off, but that cable is too short
for using the synth with anything else but a laptop, even on my lap to next
to me is pushing the distance the cable can go. Why did they make it so
short? Especially where I'm likely to work to use it, there's probably not
a wall behind every machine to mount it on.
At 09:30 AM 9/7/00 -0500, you wrote:
>If the cable in question is a striaght through cable using rj45 connectors
>I would highly recomend going and getting a standard Cat5 patch cable in
>the desired length. This will meet your needs perfectly. If in doubt it is
>easy. Go to the store with the unit and check it out. The cost is a few
>minutes time to find out. The cable shouldn't run more then a few dollars
>if you choose grey. A little more for other colors. One option you might
>consider is getting a snagless cable. It will cost a couple more dollars,
>but is designed so the tab that holds the cable in won't catch on things
>and will be less likely to break.
>
>-- 
>Kirk Wood
>Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>------------------
>
>Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
>		Alfred North Whitehead
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

cdrdao dependencies

[Janina Sajka]

I know this was discussed recently on this loist, but I lost the solution.

I'm trying to install cdrdao but need both the libgdkmm and the libgtkmm
libraries. rpmfind doesn't seem to list these. Where do I go? Is this
something I get from my distro? Seems that it's more general than that. 

Thanks in advance as always.


-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Gorgotek Systems]

Its not on the standard RedHat 6.2 distribution, but is on the RedHat
6.2 Power Tools cd. The RPM's are:

gtk---1.0.3pre1-3.i386.rpm		1622436 Feb 24  2000
gtk---devel-1.0.3pre1-3.i386.rpm	 674610 Feb 24  2000


find . -name '*' -print -exec rpm -qpl {} \; |grep libgtkmm

/usr/lib/libgtkmm-1.0.so.7.0.0
/usr/lib/libgtkmm.so
./TRANS.TBL does not appear to be a RPM package
query of ./TRANS.TBL failed

find . -name '*' -print -exec rpm -qpl {} \; |grep libgdkmm

/usr/lib/libgdkmm-1.0.so.0
/usr/lib/libgdkmm-1.0.so.0.1.0
/usr/lib/libgdkmm.so
./TRANS.TBL does not appear to be a RPM package
query of ./TRANS.TBL failed

Greg Keto

Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> I know this was discussed recently on this loist, but I lost the solution.
> 
> I'm trying to install cdrdao but need both the libgdkmm and the libgtkmm
> libraries. rpmfind doesn't seem to list these. Where do I go? Is this
> something I get from my distro? Seems that it's more general than that.
> 
> Thanks in advance as always.
> 
> --
> 
>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>                                 Information Systems Research & Development
>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
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Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Janina Sajka]

Thanks very much.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Gorgotek Systems wrote:

> Its not on the standard RedHat 6.2 distribution, but is on the RedHat
> 6.2 Power Tools cd. The RPM's are:
> 
> gtk---1.0.3pre1-3.i386.rpm		1622436 Feb 24  2000
> gtk---devel-1.0.3pre1-3.i386.rpm	 674610 Feb 24  2000
> 
> 
> find . -name '*' -print -exec rpm -qpl {} \; |grep libgtkmm
> 
> /usr/lib/libgtkmm-1.0.so.7.0.0
> /usr/lib/libgtkmm.so
> ./TRANS.TBL does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of ./TRANS.TBL failed
> 
> find . -name '*' -print -exec rpm -qpl {} \; |grep libgdkmm
> 
> /usr/lib/libgdkmm-1.0.so.0
> /usr/lib/libgdkmm-1.0.so.0.1.0
> /usr/lib/libgdkmm.so
> ./TRANS.TBL does not appear to be a RPM package
> query of ./TRANS.TBL failed
> 
> Greg Keto
> 
> Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > I know this was discussed recently on this loist, but I lost the solution.
> > 
> > I'm trying to install cdrdao but need both the libgdkmm and the libgtkmm
> > libraries. rpmfind doesn't seem to list these. Where do I go? Is this
> > something I get from my distro? Seems that it's more general than that.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance as always.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> >                                 Janina Sajka, Director
> >                                 Information Systems Research & Development
> >                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > janina@afb.net
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Kerry Hoath]

Oh if you build your own from source you can dispense with gtk altogether, you
however do need to install pccts since cdrdao relies on that for parsing. You
also need flex I seem to recall but it is basically a
./configure;make;make install job once you hive pccts or is
it pccts installed.

Regards, Kerry.
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 09:43:50AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Thanks very much.
> 
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Gorgotek Systems wrote:
> 
> > Its not on the standard RedHat 6.2 distribution, but is on the RedHat
> > 6.2 Power Tools cd. The RPM's are:
> > 
> > gtk---1.0.3pre1-3.i386.rpm		1622436 Feb 24  2000
> > gtk---devel-1.0.3pre1-3.i386.rpm	 674610 Feb 24  2000
> > 
> > 
> > find . -name '*' -print -exec rpm -qpl {} \; |grep libgtkmm
> > 
> > /usr/lib/libgtkmm-1.0.so.7.0.0
> > /usr/lib/libgtkmm.so
> > ./TRANS.TBL does not appear to be a RPM package
> > query of ./TRANS.TBL failed
> > 
> > find . -name '*' -print -exec rpm -qpl {} \; |grep libgdkmm
> > 
> > /usr/lib/libgdkmm-1.0.so.0
> > /usr/lib/libgdkmm-1.0.so.0.1.0
> > /usr/lib/libgdkmm.so
> > ./TRANS.TBL does not appear to be a RPM package
> > query of ./TRANS.TBL failed
> > 
> > Greg Keto
> > 
> > Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > 
> > > I know this was discussed recently on this loist, but I lost the solution.
> > > 
> > > I'm trying to install cdrdao but need both the libgdkmm and the libgtkmm
> > > libraries. rpmfind doesn't seem to list these. Where do I go? Is this
> > > something I get from my distro? Seems that it's more general than that.
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance as always.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > >                                 Janina Sajka, Director
> > >                                 Information Systems Research & Development
> > >                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > 
> > > janina@afb.net
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Information Systems Research & Development
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
> 
> 
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Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi Kerry,

I'm actually trying to install this myself, and when I do the configure, it
eventually tells me that I don't have pccts installed. However, I got the
package from Debian (using apt-get); it gave the same error. So I got the
source and made it and copied all the binaries from that to /usr/bin. Tried
configure again and got the same error, that it couldn't find an
installation of pccts. So what am I missing?

On a related note, the latest version of trn tells me it can't find the gnu
C libraries, which seems like an odd thing for it to say. ...

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Email: davros@ycardz.com
Voice mail: 877-791-5298
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Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Kirk Wood]

Buddy,

The problem you are having is common to those items that need the pccts
installed. The root of the problem is that pccts is installed into a
different location then all the programs that need it to compile. I don't
remember the details beyond that. I copied pccts to the directory looked
at in the config file when I needed it.

As I recall pccts is not actually a dependancy. It is a helper for the
compiler. You can then copy the binary to another machine without pccts
and it will run fine.

-- 
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Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

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Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Kerry Hoath]

You have to use some --with options now this is from memory
./configure --with-pcctsinclude=/usr/include/pccts --with-pccts-bin=/usr/bin
do a ./configure --help or download the statically linked binary off the cdrdao
home page :-) It does build. Really it does.
You need the pccts package installed and telll it the includes are in 
/usr/include/pccts I assume Debian here.

Regarding the copy of trn, I just install the Debian package but I don't
know what you run, if slackware surely they have it packaged.

Regards, Kerry.
On Fri, Sep 08, 2000 at 11:48:04AM -0500, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Hi Kerry,
> 
> I'm actually trying to install this myself, and when I do the configure, it
> eventually tells me that I don't have pccts installed. However, I got the
> package from Debian (using apt-get); it gave the same error. So I got the
> source and made it and copied all the binaries from that to /usr/bin. Tried
> configure again and got the same error, that it couldn't find an
> installation of pccts. So what am I missing?
> 
> On a related note, the latest version of trn tells me it can't find the gnu
> C libraries, which seems like an odd thing for it to say. ...
> 
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> Voice mail: 877-791-5298
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Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Tommy Moore]

What's this program you guy are talking about?
Haven't followed the thread all that closely.
Thanks.

Tommy.

Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Frank J. Carmickle]

cdrdao is a disk at once cdr tool.  It uses cdparanoia and other packages.
I have been having problems getting it to work with my toshiba 40x scsi
reader.  It can read the toc just fine.  It also can read the cd audio
just fine so it says.  It actually makes files with nothng but white
space.  Kerry do you know anything about this.  Kirk and I spend a few
days working on this one.  I can use cdparanoia just fine with this drive.
I also have seen my drive listed on the compatible drives list.  Although
it seems that there is a toshiba driver out there that I don't have.  I do
have the latest version however.  Somebody know what's up with this?  

TIA
FC

On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:

> What's this program you guy are talking about?
> Haven't followed the thread all that closely.
> Thanks.
> 
> Tommy.
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Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Kerry Hoath]

Aparently 1.1.4 adds a driver for toshiba drives. It is a scsi3_mmc driver with
toshiba work arounds or something.
Toshiba make damn good drives, pitty their firmware sucks occationally. See
if there is newer firmware for the toshiba drive, those things are flashable.
Often it is digital audio reading that suffers in a drive since it is one of
the features they spend least time on unless they are plextor.
Here's me dreaming of a 32plex. Cd rips at 32x 100% clean, a whole disk in
3 minutes. Pardon me whilst I wipe the saliver off my keyboard :-)

Regards, Kerry.
On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:16:53AM -0400, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> cdrdao is a disk at once cdr tool.  It uses cdparanoia and other packages.
> I have been having problems getting it to work with my toshiba 40x scsi
> reader.  It can read the toc just fine.  It also can read the cd audio
> just fine so it says.  It actually makes files with nothng but white
> space.  Kerry do you know anything about this.  Kirk and I spend a few
> days working on this one.  I can use cdparanoia just fine with this drive.
> I also have seen my drive listed on the compatible drives list.  Although
> it seems that there is a toshiba driver out there that I don't have.  I do
> have the latest version however.  Somebody know what's up with this?  
> 
> TIA
> FC
> 
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:
> 
> > What's this program you guy are talking about?
> > Haven't followed the thread all that closely.
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Tommy.
> > 
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Re: cdrdao dependencies

[Frank J. Carmickle]

Thank you very much.  I knew you would come through for me.  Now about
those plextor drives.  If they can really do 32x ripping then I will just
forget this Toshiba and grab one of those.  At the time that I bought this
drive I was thinking about going with one but twice the price made me
think.  But hey if they kick ass then I might as well just spend the
money.  In the mean time I will grab the latest package and get some
firmware update.

Thanks
FC



On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Kerry Hoath wrote:

> Aparently 1.1.4 adds a driver for toshiba drives. It is a scsi3_mmc driver with
> toshiba work arounds or something.
> Toshiba make damn good drives, pitty their firmware sucks occationally. See
> if there is newer firmware for the toshiba drive, those things are flashable.
> Often it is digital audio reading that suffers in a drive since it is one of
> the features they spend least time on unless they are plextor.
> Here's me dreaming of a 32plex. Cd rips at 32x 100% clean, a whole disk in
> 3 minutes. Pardon me whilst I wipe the saliver off my keyboard :-)
> 
> Regards, Kerry.
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 03:16:53AM -0400, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> > cdrdao is a disk at once cdr tool.  It uses cdparanoia and other packages.
> > I have been having problems getting it to work with my toshiba 40x scsi
> > reader.  It can read the toc just fine.  It also can read the cd audio
> > just fine so it says.  It actually makes files with nothng but white
> > space.  Kerry do you know anything about this.  Kirk and I spend a few
> > days working on this one.  I can use cdparanoia just fine with this drive.
> > I also have seen my drive listed on the compatible drives list.  Although
> > it seems that there is a toshiba driver out there that I don't have.  I do
> > have the latest version however.  Somebody know what's up with this?  
> > 
> > TIA
> > FC
> > 
> > On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:
> > 
> > > What's this program you guy are talking about?
> > > Haven't followed the thread all that closely.
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > > Tommy.
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
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Re: Voice synthesizers

[Gary Lee]

Vic:

If you remember I wrote you about that sqwert about two months ago.  Have
had to completely redo the heating system in my house, so its taking longer
than i expected to get the cash ready.  I went to artic's web site looking
for docs for the thing, but no dice.  Then I wrote them asking for a
manual, and they want to charge $15 for an email of it.  Could you email me
the manual so I can get a good idea of its capabilities and use?

Thanks.

Re: Voice synthesizers

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi,
Actually, I have for sale a SQWERT notetaker which simulates a Accent SA
speech synthesizer. I tried it with both Emacspeak and Speakup and it worked
perfectly. Not only you get a synthesizer, but also a portable notetaker.
Let me know if you are interested.

Best,
Vic

RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

Well, that's too bad.  personally, I would like to stay away from software
synthesizers even if they worked underlinux.  I would rather my cpu was
doing real work.

-----Original Message-----

YTerry
From: philwh@gate.net [mailto:philwh@gate.net]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 5:48 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers


the accent line isn't being made anymore.
aicom has stopped the manufacture of the accent sa,
accent pc and accent messenger, and the 
accent mini.
I talked to the owner of aicom, and he said
he couldn't compeat with the 
software synthesizers, and most people
seem to want the software synthes.

so if you want an accent, you will have to try and find
a used one some where.
I wish I could find one myself.

phil

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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Angus D.F. MacKinnon]

I have no idea if this would work. I have a laptop that would need an
externel synthesizer if there was not a software one available. Is this
a dream, I buy a sound PCMCIA card for my laptop and install speech that
searches out that PCMCIA card and uses only that device.

Love the Super Duper Guide Dog Dabney and
Angus D.F. MacKinnon, (Your favourite)
Visually Insane Genetically Modified Organism
Web Page: http://members.home.net/dabneyadfm

Re: Voice Synthesizers

[philwh]

the accent line isn't being made anymore.
aicom has stopped the manufacture of the accent sa,
accent pc and accent messenger, and the 
accent mini.
I talked to the owner of aicom, and he said
he couldn't compeat with the 
software synthesizers, and most people
seem to want the software synthes.

so if you want an accent, you will have to try and find
a used one some where.
I wish I could find one myself.

phil

RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

I thought sounding board sounded quite monotone. Speakout is the same, can
barely understand speakouts, I'd go for double talk, most anything else is
more expensive.
At 03:34 PM 9/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Uh oh. It looks like I lied! Missing Link *doesn't* appear to sell the
>Accent SA anymore. Back to the drawing board...
>
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[philwh]

I wish to correct the info on theis email list concerning
the connector on the dectalk express.
It is not an rj45.
it is an rh12.
The plugs are readily available along witht he wire
and rj12 to db25 or db9 male or female connectors.
There are 2 types of rj12.
the normal kind witht he clip centered, and the dec kind.
any of these can be purchased from
dalco electronics.
you can buy a package of 10 rj12 dec type for $3.05.
the part number is 57095 

dalco's phone number is
800-445-5342
you will need a special crimping tool however to install the plug.
dalco also sells them.

phil

RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

Was this new rom that caused the speech to do this, or were they using an
extremely old double talk? Are the speech tables loaded in to the double
talk on that chip? This happened with jfw, for win 3.11, which I never
really liked anyways. It was a machine they had set up for me to use in the
lab, seeing at that time they didn't have 95 on all the machines, I'd have
chosen linux if it was my decision, but if I printed something written with
pico, it wouldn't have the right formatting that ms word does. I don't use
that system any more, as I don't use that old lab now anyways.
At 09:17 PM 9/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>You call RC systems and have them send you a new chip there is surely
>someone around itat can change it for you if you can't.
>
>As for the wierd sound I agree the same thing happened at the school I
>was working at till I relized after changing the rom you need to get the 
>newest speech tables for some programs like the older openbook and the
>programs like ASap.  Believe me the new roms do nothing but talk better.
>
>KenOn
>Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>> How does one update the rom? I have double talk PC, and am scared about
>> getting new ones, as a double talk I heard at school sounded awefull
>> compared to my double talk at home. That one seemed to pronounce words
>> awkwardly, like accenting a j sound in 100 for say, and using other odd
>> things I hated.
>> At 08:25 PM 9/6/00 -0700, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Hmm I have never had a problem with my LT but then I use it with Asap
>> >and those two work together like a charm you also have to keep the rom
>> >up to date.  When I got the first LT it wasa bit chopy and slow but a
>> >few weeks later I got the new rom from then on it has rocked.
>> >
>> >KenOn Wed, 6 Sep
>> >2000, Bruce Pfeiffer wrote:
>> >
>> >> The only bad thing I have to say about a DoubleTalk Lt is that the voice
>> >> quality can sometimes be very unstable.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
>> >> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:53 PM
>> >> To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
>> >> Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Perhaps you might wish to consider an external Double Talk light.
They are
>> >> about $320 new as best I can tell. I use one at work and its very
>> >> nice. Much less than the Decktalk and Accent with very high quality
>> >> speech.
>> >> 
>> >> Its made by RC Systems.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Buddy Brannan]

Uh oh. It looks like I lied! Missing Link *doesn't* appear to sell the
Accent SA anymore. Back to the drawing board...

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Email: davros@ycardz.com
Voice mail: 877-791-5298
All opinions are all mine!

RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

Thanks Dave for the reply.  I was wondering how fast a double talk can speak
and be understood?  I really like the dectalk because of its clear speech up
to 500 words per minute.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hunt [mailto:wx1g@connact.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:03 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Voice Synthesizers


Terry

You're right about the Dec Express being poorly made.  For the outrageous
price, one would think Dec could make something in which the of-on-volume
switch would work through many cycles, without developing loose connections.
The same can be said of the power supply connector and internal speaker.

For about 1 fifth of the price, why not consider the Doubletalk L.T?  I have
one that has served me well for almost two years of trouble-free operation.
The speech isn't DEC quality, but is perfectly intelligible.  The unit can
be powered by either a 9-Volt battery, or an external power supply.  The
synthesizer end of the RS-232 cable is soldered directly into the unit.  The
other end is a female DB-9.  How common!  What application(s) do you have
for the synthesizer?  If screen reading is one, be sure your reader can
control the synth.

Cheerio,

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Klarich, Terry
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:56 PM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: Voice Synthesizers


Hello all:

Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.

I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.

Terry

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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Buddy Brannan]

I'm not Frank, but I *will* tell you that the Accent SA is built like a
tank. It's built into a nice solid metal box, the DIP switches to set the
port speed, parity, etc. are big enough to set with your fingernail, and
the speaker is OK, too. It's about the size of an old school 9600 BPS
modem. (I know this because I had a GVC 9600 BPS modem at one time, which
sat perfectly underneath the Accent, even if the cables faced 90 degrees
the wrong direction.) Only problem I ever had with mine was the
on/off/volume control getting broken, but they sent a new one and a friend
of mine more handy with a  soldering gun than I am fixed it. It's not
DECTalk speech. In fact, I think it uses the same chip as the Artic and
Sounding Board, but IMHO the speech quality is a bit better than
those...although the Sounding Board's pretty darned good...but I digress,
and besides, you can't use the Sounding Board under Linux anyway. The
serial connector is a standard 25-pin female connector, very like you'd
find on a modem, and uses just your basic standard serial cable. Default
DIP switch settings are 9600,E,8,1 or N,7,1...something like that, though I
have mine set for the standard N,8,1.

I believe that Missing Link Technologies in Kansas City sells it; check
www.mltinfo.com

FWIW, Artic sells a synthesizer now for around $300, but I don't know much
about it (like how well it's built, for instance). I've had my Accent SA
for about 6 years and it works OK. 

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Email: davros@ycardz.com
Voice mail: 877-791-5298
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

Hey Scott:

I am interested in speech above 450 words per minute.  I like the dectalk
because it is clear up to about 500.  How does the double talk light work
under these circumstances?

Thanks
Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Howell [mailto:showell@n3byy.yi.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:53 PM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers


Perhaps you might wish to consider an external Double Talk light. They are
about $320 new as best I can tell. I use one at work and its very
nice. Much less than the Decktalk and Accent with very high quality
speech.

Its made by RC Systems.




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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

Hey Frank:

Is the accent well made?  I am not really happy with the quality of the
dectalk express.  Do you know of a good dealer of the accent?

Thanks
Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank J. Carmickle [mailto:frankiec@braille.uwo.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:47 PM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers


Well I use both of them.  I like the dectalk for long reading but the
accent is much better for everyday quick reading.  It is quite a bit
faster although you can crank the dectalk.  Lots of folks say that the
dectalk can't get fast enough for them.  This is not true.  It can't get
extremely fast.  The problem with it is that it mumbles when cranked up
above 500 words per minute.  I can usually leave the accent cranked all
the way up most of the time.  

Another thing is that speakup currently works better with the accent then
the dectalk.  This is because of the dectalks silly command set.  This may
get fixed sometime but not any time soon.  With ever serial synth speakup
bleads some of the control charactors through.  So in the case of the
dectalk you will hear a lot of dv ap 100s.  In the case of the accent you
will hear just a few p5s.

HTH
FC

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:

> Hello all:
> 
> Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
the
> dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
serial
> voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> 
> I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
made.
> And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
use
> this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> 
> Terry
> 
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Ken Perry]

You call RC systems and have them send you a new chip there is surely
someone around itat can change it for you if you can't.

As for the wierd sound I agree the same thing happened at the school I
was working at till I relized after changing the rom you need to get the 
newest speech tables for some programs like the older openbook and the
programs like ASap.  Believe me the new roms do nothing but talk better.

KenOn
Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> How does one update the rom? I have double talk PC, and am scared about
> getting new ones, as a double talk I heard at school sounded awefull
> compared to my double talk at home. That one seemed to pronounce words
> awkwardly, like accenting a j sound in 100 for say, and using other odd
> things I hated.
> At 08:25 PM 9/6/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hmm I have never had a problem with my LT but then I use it with Asap
> >and those two work together like a charm you also have to keep the rom
> >up to date.  When I got the first LT it wasa bit chopy and slow but a
> >few weeks later I got the new rom from then on it has rocked.
> >
> >KenOn Wed, 6 Sep
> >2000, Bruce Pfeiffer wrote:
> >
> >> The only bad thing I have to say about a DoubleTalk Lt is that the voice
> >> quality can sometimes be very unstable.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
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> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:53 PM
> >> To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
> >> Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Perhaps you might wish to consider an external Double Talk light. They are
> >> about $320 new as best I can tell. I use one at work and its very
> >> nice. Much less than the Decktalk and Accent with very high quality
> >> speech.
> >> 
> >> Its made by RC Systems.
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

I just really need one end's connector replaced, that silly tab must've
gotten caught on something in the case of the laptop. I put all cables in
one compartment,the power cord for the laptop in another, and the laptop
itself with the two dectalk cases in the big section, as I figured bending
that cable to put it back with the charger as it originally comes might do
something bad later, so in the cables compartment, don't have to bend it
quite as much.
At 11:32 AM 9/7/00 -0500, you wrote:
>The cable used by the dectalk express is not a straight through rj 45 cable.
>It is rather DEC's own connector.  The tab has been moved to one side.  I
>think a standard RJ 45 connector wouldn't work.  Because, I believe it is a
>twist rather than a straight through cable.  And, as stated in an earlier
>message, it is only 6 contacts.
>
>Terry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Kirk Wood [mailto:cpt.kirk@1tree.net]
>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:30 AM
>To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers
>
>
>If the cable in question is a striaght through cable using rj45 connectors
>I would highly recomend going and getting a standard Cat5 patch cable in
>the desired length. This will meet your needs perfectly. If in doubt it is
>easy. Go to the store with the unit and check it out. The cost is a few
>minutes time to find out. The cable shouldn't run more then a few dollars
>if you choose grey. A little more for other colors. One option you might
>consider is getting a snagless cable. It will cost a couple more dollars,
>but is designed so the tab that holds the cable in won't catch on things
>and will be less likely to break.
>
>-- 
>Kirk Wood
>Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

How does one update the rom? I have double talk PC, and am scared about
getting new ones, as a double talk I heard at school sounded awefull
compared to my double talk at home. That one seemed to pronounce words
awkwardly, like accenting a j sound in 100 for say, and using other odd
things I hated.
At 08:25 PM 9/6/00 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>Hmm I have never had a problem with my LT but then I use it with Asap
>and those two work together like a charm you also have to keep the rom
>up to date.  When I got the first LT it wasa bit chopy and slow but a
>few weeks later I got the new rom from then on it has rocked.
>
>KenOn Wed, 6 Sep
>2000, Bruce Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> The only bad thing I have to say about a DoubleTalk Lt is that the voice
>> quality can sometimes be very unstable.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
>> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Scott Howell
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:53 PM
>> To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
>> Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers
>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps you might wish to consider an external Double Talk light. They are
>> about $320 new as best I can tell. I use one at work and its very
>> nice. Much less than the Decktalk and Accent with very high quality
>> speech.
>> 
>> Its made by RC Systems.
>> 
>> 
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

The cable used by the dectalk express is not a straight through rj 45 cable.
It is rather DEC's own connector.  The tab has been moved to one side.  I
think a standard RJ 45 connector wouldn't work.  Because, I believe it is a
twist rather than a straight through cable.  And, as stated in an earlier
message, it is only 6 contacts.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Wood [mailto:cpt.kirk@1tree.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:30 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers


If the cable in question is a striaght through cable using rj45 connectors
I would highly recomend going and getting a standard Cat5 patch cable in
the desired length. This will meet your needs perfectly. If in doubt it is
easy. Go to the store with the unit and check it out. The cost is a few
minutes time to find out. The cable shouldn't run more then a few dollars
if you choose grey. A little more for other colors. One option you might
consider is getting a snagless cable. It will cost a couple more dollars,
but is designed so the tab that holds the cable in won't catch on things
and will be less likely to break.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Ken Perry]

Hmm I have never had a problem with my LT but then I use it with Asap
and those two work together like a charm you also have to keep the rom
up to date.  When I got the first LT it wasa bit chopy and slow but a
few weeks later I got the new rom from then on it has rocked.

KenOn Wed, 6 Sep
2000, Bruce Pfeiffer wrote:

> The only bad thing I have to say about a DoubleTalk Lt is that the voice
> quality can sometimes be very unstable.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Scott Howell
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:53 PM
> To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
> Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers
> 
> 
> Perhaps you might wish to consider an external Double Talk light. They are
> about $320 new as best I can tell. I use one at work and its very
> nice. Much less than the Decktalk and Accent with very high quality
> speech.
> 
> Its made by RC Systems.
> 
> 
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Bruce Pfeiffer]

The only bad thing I have to say about a DoubleTalk Lt is that the voice
quality can sometimes be very unstable.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:53 PM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers


Perhaps you might wish to consider an external Double Talk light. They are
about $320 new as best I can tell. I use one at work and its very
nice. Much less than the Decktalk and Accent with very high quality
speech.

Its made by RC Systems.




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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

Isn't screen reading the only application of synths like this? If I knew
how to make songs for dectalk, I'd use it to do stuff like that, having the
synth end soldered in is bad, for putting it in a laptop case, put all
cables in one compartment, and hook them where they go, I've got one of
those dec expresses, have always been dreaming of owning a dectalk ever
since I heard one for the first time. I use a double talk PC in my main
system, it works pretty good compared to most anything else besides
dectalk. I'd rank it number 2 on best sound, but for the price, can't go
wrong.
At 09:02 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Terry
>
>You're right about the Dec Express being poorly made.  For the outrageous
>price, one would think Dec could make something in which the of-on-volume
>switch would work through many cycles, without developing loose connections.
>The same can be said of the power supply connector and internal speaker.
>
>For about 1 fifth of the price, why not consider the Doubletalk L.T?  I have
>one that has served me well for almost two years of trouble-free operation.
>The speech isn't DEC quality, but is perfectly intelligible.  The unit can
>be powered by either a 9-Volt battery, or an external power supply.  The
>synthesizer end of the RS-232 cable is soldered directly into the unit.  The
>other end is a female DB-9.  How common!  What application(s) do you have
>for the synthesizer?  If screen reading is one, be sure your reader can
>control the synth.
>
>Cheerio,
>
>Dave
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
>[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Klarich, Terry
>Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:56 PM
>To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
>Subject: Voice Synthesizers
>
>
>Hello all:
>
>Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
>serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
>dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
>voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>
>I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
>And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
>why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
>servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
>this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
>
>Terry
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

You can go to http://www.maxiaids.com.  They have dectalk express parts for
sale.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Harding [mailto:bharding@mail.ufw2.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:55 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers


Is there anywhere I can get a cable for a decexpress? The tab broke off of
mine. It feels like a phone jack type connector, but the rj45, not
something usually used in a serial port, more for hooking to a network
card, how confusing, if both cables get mixed up in a case, as things might
fit where they shouldn't. Didn't know it was rj45 used in dectalk, thought
it was standard phone connectors, how to make one of the dec connectors,
not sure.
At 03:56 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello all:
>
>Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
>serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
>dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
>voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>
>I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
>And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
>why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
>servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
>this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
>
>Terry
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Dave Hunt]

Terry

You're right about the Dec Express being poorly made.  For the outrageous
price, one would think Dec could make something in which the of-on-volume
switch would work through many cycles, without developing loose connections.
The same can be said of the power supply connector and internal speaker.

For about 1 fifth of the price, why not consider the Doubletalk L.T?  I have
one that has served me well for almost two years of trouble-free operation.
The speech isn't DEC quality, but is perfectly intelligible.  The unit can
be powered by either a 9-Volt battery, or an external power supply.  The
synthesizer end of the RS-232 cable is soldered directly into the unit.  The
other end is a female DB-9.  How common!  What application(s) do you have
for the synthesizer?  If screen reading is one, be sure your reader can
control the synth.

Cheerio,

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Klarich, Terry
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:56 PM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: Voice Synthesizers


Hello all:

Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.

I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.

Terry

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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Scott Howell]

Perhaps you might wish to consider an external Double Talk light. They are
about $320 new as best I can tell. I use one at work and its very
nice. Much less than the Decktalk and Accent with very high quality
speech.

Its made by RC Systems.

Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Brent Harding]

I do hear those with my dectalk, on my laptop, attempting to install debian.
At 05:47 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Well I use both of them.  I like the dectalk for long reading but the
>accent is much better for everyday quick reading.  It is quite a bit
>faster although you can crank the dectalk.  Lots of folks say that the
>dectalk can't get fast enough for them.  This is not true.  It can't get
>extremely fast.  The problem with it is that it mumbles when cranked up
>above 500 words per minute.  I can usually leave the accent cranked all
>the way up most of the time.  
>
>Another thing is that speakup currently works better with the accent then
>the dectalk.  This is because of the dectalks silly command set.  This may
>get fixed sometime but not any time soon.  With ever serial synth speakup
>bleads some of the control charactors through.  So in the case of the
>dectalk you will hear a lot of dv ap 100s.  In the case of the accent you
>will hear just a few p5s.
>
>HTH
>FC
>
>On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:
>
>> Hello all:
>> 
>> Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
>> serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
>> dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
>> voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>> 
>> I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
>> And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
>> why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
>> servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
>> this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
>> 
>> Terry
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Frank J. Carmickle]

Well I use both of them.  I like the dectalk for long reading but the
accent is much better for everyday quick reading.  It is quite a bit
faster although you can crank the dectalk.  Lots of folks say that the
dectalk can't get fast enough for them.  This is not true.  It can't get
extremely fast.  The problem with it is that it mumbles when cranked up
above 500 words per minute.  I can usually leave the accent cranked all
the way up most of the time.  

Another thing is that speakup currently works better with the accent then
the dectalk.  This is because of the dectalks silly command set.  This may
get fixed sometime but not any time soon.  With ever serial synth speakup
bleads some of the control charactors through.  So in the case of the
dectalk you will hear a lot of dv ap 100s.  In the case of the accent you
will hear just a few p5s.

HTH
FC

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:

> Hello all:
> 
> Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
> dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
> voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> 
> I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
> And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
> this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> 
> Terry
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Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

Hello all:

Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between the
dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning serial
voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.

I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well made.
And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who use
this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.

Terry