Reading cds with data tracks.

Reading cds with data tracks.

[Tommy Moore]

Hi guys. Do any of you know how to read a cd that has audio tracks at the
beginning of it, and then at the end there's a data track.
I can't seem to be able to mount it. I can read the audio tracks, but no
data one.
hehe.
Thanks.

Re: Reading cds with data tracks.

[Frank J. Carmickle]

Hey Tommy!

I am pretty sure that cdparanoia will do this.  I don't have it on this
machine so I can't check right now but check the man page.

FC


On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:

> Hi guys. Do any of you know how to read a cd that has audio tracks at the
> beginning of it, and then at the end there's a data track.
> I can't seem to be able to mount it. I can read the audio tracks, but no
> data one.
> hehe.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
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Re: Reading cds with data tracks.

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

tommy, as far as I know, either your CD rom will read such hybrid CD's or
it won't.  My old 2-speed sbpcd drive wouldn't.  If it has a data track on
the end then it should just mount as normal.  That's what happens with my
NEC 24x drive.

Geoff.


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ICQ number 43634701

Re: Reading cds with data tracks.

[Kerry Hoath]

Normally mixed mode cds should automatically detect the data track in the last
ession, what error do you get? Is there in fact a data track on the cd?
Try cdrecord -toc
if your drive is scsi or is in ide-scsi emulation mode actually I think that one
works on atapi too.

|Regards, Kerry.
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 03:11:40PM -0400, Tommy Moore wrote:
> Hi guys. Do any of you know how to read a cd that has audio tracks at the
> beginning of it, and then at the end there's a data track.
> I can't seem to be able to mount it. I can read the audio tracks, but no
> data one.
> hehe.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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Re: Reading cds with data tracks.

[Kerry Hoath]

Cdparanoia only reads audio tracks, if you want to read an entire cd into
an image or files, use cdrdao.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 08:50:49PM -0400, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> Hey Tommy!
> 
> I am pretty sure that cdparanoia will do this.  I don't have it on this
> machine so I can't check right now but check the man page.
> 
> FC
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Tommy Moore wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys. Do any of you know how to read a cd that has audio tracks at the
> > beginning of it, and then at the end there's a data track.
> > I can't seem to be able to mount it. I can read the audio tracks, but no
> > data one.
> > hehe.
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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Re: To Caldera or not to Caldera

[Kirk Wood]

I would say to go for it on the pre-installed system. It should run out of
the box with all needed drivers in place. To my knowledge, X doesn't
support hardware in and of itself. So while you may find you want softawre
for the console, the platform to add the apps should be in place. Add to
that the fact that many popular X programs are really wrappers for a
console program and you have more reason to figure the base should be
solid.

If you find you don't like the installed system, you can always wipe it
out. I have never found much problem in wiping a system and starting
over. Since that is your other option, figure you only gain and not lose
here.

I am not sure what problems you have had with X. I have never had any
problem with X working right off the install on several computers. But I
am sighted, and it may take the use of eyes. Normally, the install of
Linux if it includes X will go through some screens to configure X which
need someone to confirm or deny that the display works correctly. But with
a pre-installed system, that should be done for you. Good luck on your
laptop whatever you decide.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Janina Sajka]

Hi:

I'm trying to revive a broken installation and could use some speech from
the loop back command, but I don't recall the syntax. Can someone please
remind me how that goes? I've a Litetalk on ttyS1, so this will work if I
can just get the command right! <grin>

Thanks in advance.



-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

To Caldera or not to Caldera

[Janina Sajka]

I'm looking for a little advice from the sages on this list. I'm about to
buy a new portable computer. From the hardware side I've pretty settled on
getting yet another IBM Thinkpad. I've had good enough experience with
them for some years now to feel comfortable getting another Thinkpad. This
will be my third in a row.

IBM has actively begun supporting linux in that they now offer one of
their leading Thinkpad models with Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4
preinstalled. So, here's the dilemma--Shall I get the preinstalled linux
and then patch with Speakup and tweak for my needs? Or should I just get
the hardware I want and go with an install from scratch? I have no
experience with Caldera whatsoever. All my working experience on Linux has
been with RedHat (plus a few forays into Debian). My desktop system is
running RedHat, and I'm keeping that system for the foreseeable future.

So, what would you do? And, how would you decide?

On the plus side I see two advantages, primarily. First, I think I can
assume the unit will be functional out of the box. Or, is that
foolhardy? Is it likely to be functional in X, but have many console text
features missing?

My second reason for going with the preinstalled system is that I want to
get vmware running for Windows access in a Linux console. I've never
succeeded at getting X working on my own--so have always fallen short of
this goal to date. I feel I'm ahead of the game if I get a working X
environment out of the box. Is this enough reason to go with the
preinstalled Caldera?

I very much appreciate any wisdom you would share on this. Thanks in
advance to all of you.


-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: To Caldera or not to Caldera

[Brent Harding]

X probably will work, but patching the kernel to work with the IBM drivers
may be hard, as the drivers may be binary, so they may not work with the
version of kernel, if one can't get a hold of a caldera one that has
speakup compatibility. How would you get speech to get vmware going? Is
there an instructions file somewhere for the blind to navigate x enough
just to get vmware going and no more?
At 01:18 PM 9/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a little advice from the sages on this list. I'm about to
>buy a new portable computer. From the hardware side I've pretty settled on
>getting yet another IBM Thinkpad. I've had good enough experience with
>them for some years now to feel comfortable getting another Thinkpad. This
>will be my third in a row.
>
>IBM has actively begun supporting linux in that they now offer one of
>their leading Thinkpad models with Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4
>preinstalled. So, here's the dilemma--Shall I get the preinstalled linux
>and then patch with Speakup and tweak for my needs? Or should I just get
>the hardware I want and go with an install from scratch? I have no
>experience with Caldera whatsoever. All my working experience on Linux has
>been with RedHat (plus a few forays into Debian). My desktop system is
>running RedHat, and I'm keeping that system for the foreseeable future.
>
>So, what would you do? And, how would you decide?
>
>On the plus side I see two advantages, primarily. First, I think I can
>assume the unit will be functional out of the box. Or, is that
>foolhardy? Is it likely to be functional in X, but have many console text
>features missing?
>
>My second reason for going with the preinstalled system is that I want to
>get vmware running for Windows access in a Linux console. I've never
>succeeded at getting X working on my own--so have always fallen short of
>this goal to date. I feel I'm ahead of the game if I get a working X
>environment out of the box. Is this enough reason to go with the
>preinstalled Caldera?
>
>I very much appreciate any wisdom you would share on this. Thanks in
>advance to all of you.
>
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
>
>
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: To Caldera or not to Caldera

[Gorgotek Systems]

My experience with different Linux distributions has been that each one
does things slightly different, configuration utilities, directory trees
in different locations sometime symbolicaly linked for compatability,
different startup scripts to bring up network connections and the use of
different hw device file names. As a general rule I try to use the
utilities of the Linux distribution that I am using to configure stuff
first and if that fails I will try the generic Linux way. I think
Caldera uses "lizard" which corresponds to the RedHat "linuxconf".

Can you get a new IBM Thinkpad with nothing installed? I would opt for
Linux since it should be cheaper but If you plan on running Windows
under Vmware you may opt for a Windows pre-install since Windows may be
alot cheaper when acquired with a Thinkpad. It would be nice if you get
get the Thinkpad with Linux, Vmware and Windows pre-installed.

Past experience with Dell computer we actually chose to pay more money
with a pre-installed RedHat desktop to see how Dell would install Linux.
Our only choice of pre-installed operating systems were Windows OR
RedHat 6.0, since we wanted a multi-boot we then had to go out and
purchase Windows 98 for an additional 200 dollars. I think I understand
this philosophy, based upon statistics Dell wants to know if sales are
from Linux OR Windows.

One thing you may want to confirm is whether or not you can to a "text"
based install with the Caldera distribution, I know with RedHat or
Mandrake you can still select a "text" based install.

Greg Keto

Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a little advice from the sages on this list. I'm about to
> buy a new portable computer. From the hardware side I've pretty settled on
> getting yet another IBM Thinkpad. I've had good enough experience with
> them for some years now to feel comfortable getting another Thinkpad. This
> will be my third in a row.
> 
> IBM has actively begun supporting linux in that they now offer one of
> their leading Thinkpad models with Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4
> preinstalled. So, here's the dilemma--Shall I get the preinstalled linux
> and then patch with Speakup and tweak for my needs? Or should I just get
> the hardware I want and go with an install from scratch? I have no
> experience with Caldera whatsoever. All my working experience on Linux has
> been with RedHat (plus a few forays into Debian). My desktop system is
> running RedHat, and I'm keeping that system for the foreseeable future.
> 
> So, what would you do? And, how would you decide?
> 
> On the plus side I see two advantages, primarily. First, I think I can
> assume the unit will be functional out of the box. Or, is that
> foolhardy? Is it likely to be functional in X, but have many console text
> features missing?
> 
> My second reason for going with the preinstalled system is that I want to
> get vmware running for Windows access in a Linux console. I've never
> succeeded at getting X working on my own--so have always fallen short of
> this goal to date. I feel I'm ahead of the game if I get a working X
> environment out of the box. Is this enough reason to go with the
> preinstalled Caldera?
> 
> I very much appreciate any wisdom you would share on this. Thanks in
> advance to all of you.
> 
> --
> 
>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>                                 Information Systems Research & Development
>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Re: To Caldera or not to Caldera

[Brent Harding]

With dell redhat systems, how hard is it to get speakup on them? I've heard
the disk control drivers are binary provided by dell, no disk, no boot,
recompiling the kernel could jeopardize support for the hardware, as dell
builds the code right in to the kernel. I'm thinking of going preinstall of
linux for my next system, as I have plenty of access to windows on this
machine now, and my laptop, so if I need to use windows, not a lot will be
missing, if one networked the machines.
At 12:16 PM 9/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
>My experience with different Linux distributions has been that each one
>does things slightly different, configuration utilities, directory trees
>in different locations sometime symbolicaly linked for compatability,
>different startup scripts to bring up network connections and the use of
>different hw device file names. As a general rule I try to use the
>utilities of the Linux distribution that I am using to configure stuff
>first and if that fails I will try the generic Linux way. I think
>Caldera uses "lizard" which corresponds to the RedHat "linuxconf".
>
>Can you get a new IBM Thinkpad with nothing installed? I would opt for
>Linux since it should be cheaper but If you plan on running Windows
>under Vmware you may opt for a Windows pre-install since Windows may be
>alot cheaper when acquired with a Thinkpad. It would be nice if you get
>get the Thinkpad with Linux, Vmware and Windows pre-installed.
>
>Past experience with Dell computer we actually chose to pay more money
>with a pre-installed RedHat desktop to see how Dell would install Linux.
>Our only choice of pre-installed operating systems were Windows OR
>RedHat 6.0, since we wanted a multi-boot we then had to go out and
>purchase Windows 98 for an additional 200 dollars. I think I understand
>this philosophy, based upon statistics Dell wants to know if sales are
>from Linux OR Windows.
>
>One thing you may want to confirm is whether or not you can to a "text"
>based install with the Caldera distribution, I know with RedHat or
>Mandrake you can still select a "text" based install.
>
>Greg Keto
>
>Janina Sajka wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking for a little advice from the sages on this list. I'm about to
>> buy a new portable computer. From the hardware side I've pretty settled on
>> getting yet another IBM Thinkpad. I've had good enough experience with
>> them for some years now to feel comfortable getting another Thinkpad. This
>> will be my third in a row.
>> 
>> IBM has actively begun supporting linux in that they now offer one of
>> their leading Thinkpad models with Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4
>> preinstalled. So, here's the dilemma--Shall I get the preinstalled linux
>> and then patch with Speakup and tweak for my needs? Or should I just get
>> the hardware I want and go with an install from scratch? I have no
>> experience with Caldera whatsoever. All my working experience on Linux has
>> been with RedHat (plus a few forays into Debian). My desktop system is
>> running RedHat, and I'm keeping that system for the foreseeable future.
>> 
>> So, what would you do? And, how would you decide?
>> 
>> On the plus side I see two advantages, primarily. First, I think I can
>> assume the unit will be functional out of the box. Or, is that
>> foolhardy? Is it likely to be functional in X, but have many console text
>> features missing?
>> 
>> My second reason for going with the preinstalled system is that I want to
>> get vmware running for Windows access in a Linux console. I've never
>> succeeded at getting X working on my own--so have always fallen short of
>> this goal to date. I feel I'm ahead of the game if I get a working X
>> environment out of the box. Is this enough reason to go with the
>> preinstalled Caldera?
>> 
>> I very much appreciate any wisdom you would share on this. Thanks in
>> advance to all of you.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
>>                                 Information Systems Research & Development
>>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>> 
>> janina@afb.net
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Janina:  I am not sure what you are asking?  The standard loop
device is something you load with mount, such as:

mount file-image /mnt -o loop

Where file-image is a file which is an image of a file system of some
sort such as ms-dos.

  Kirk

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e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: To Caldera or not to Caldera

[Gorgotek Systems]

Sorry I haven't set up Speakup on any Linux system yet, but I will make
an effort soon because I will be doing it for an un-sighted friend. In
regards to the Dell RedHat pre-install, it looked like all they did was
the same install that an end user would do from the RedHat CD and added
their logo to the X windows login or "xdm". I did not see their logo xpm
files on the standard OEM RedHat 6.0 cd that came along with the Dell
desktop. Setting up Speakup under Dell RedHat should be the same as
standard RedHat cd.

I think the disk control drivers that you are refering to are on Dell's
high end scsi server platforms, this was not an issue on their desktop
machines. Again the RedHat cd included appeared to be an OEM version of
the standard RedHat 6.0 with no Dell additions, but I never did do a
recursive md5sum on them to see the difference between the two.

Greg Keto


Brent Harding wrote:
> 
> With dell redhat systems, how hard is it to get speakup on them? I've heard
> the disk control drivers are binary provided by dell, no disk, no boot,
> recompiling the kernel could jeopardize support for the hardware, as dell
> builds the code right in to the kernel. I'm thinking of going preinstall of
> linux for my next system, as I have plenty of access to windows on this
> machine now, and my laptop, so if I need to use windows, not a lot will be
> missing, if one networked the machines.
> At 12:16 PM 9/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >My experience with different Linux distributions has been that each one
> >does things slightly different, configuration utilities, directory trees
> >in different locations sometime symbolicaly linked for compatability,
> >different startup scripts to bring up network connections and the use of
> >different hw device file names. As a general rule I try to use the
> >utilities of the Linux distribution that I am using to configure stuff
> >first and if that fails I will try the generic Linux way. I think
> >Caldera uses "lizard" which corresponds to the RedHat "linuxconf".
> >
> >Can you get a new IBM Thinkpad with nothing installed? I would opt for
> >Linux since it should be cheaper but If you plan on running Windows
> >under Vmware you may opt for a Windows pre-install since Windows may be
> >alot cheaper when acquired with a Thinkpad. It would be nice if you get
> >get the Thinkpad with Linux, Vmware and Windows pre-installed.
> >
> >Past experience with Dell computer we actually chose to pay more money
> >with a pre-installed RedHat desktop to see how Dell would install Linux.
> >Our only choice of pre-installed operating systems were Windows OR
> >RedHat 6.0, since we wanted a multi-boot we then had to go out and
> >purchase Windows 98 for an additional 200 dollars. I think I understand
> >this philosophy, based upon statistics Dell wants to know if sales are
> >from Linux OR Windows.
> >
> >One thing you may want to confirm is whether or not you can to a "text"
> >based install with the Caldera distribution, I know with RedHat or
> >Mandrake you can still select a "text" based install.
> >
> >Greg Keto
> >
> >Janina Sajka wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm looking for a little advice from the sages on this list. I'm about to
> >> buy a new portable computer. From the hardware side I've pretty settled on
> >> getting yet another IBM Thinkpad. I've had good enough experience with
> >> them for some years now to feel comfortable getting another Thinkpad. This
> >> will be my third in a row.
> >>
> >> IBM has actively begun supporting linux in that they now offer one of
> >> their leading Thinkpad models with Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4
> >> preinstalled. So, here's the dilemma--Shall I get the preinstalled linux
> >> and then patch with Speakup and tweak for my needs? Or should I just get
> >> the hardware I want and go with an install from scratch? I have no
> >> experience with Caldera whatsoever. All my working experience on Linux has
> >> been with RedHat (plus a few forays into Debian). My desktop system is
> >> running RedHat, and I'm keeping that system for the foreseeable future.
> >>
> >> So, what would you do? And, how would you decide?
> >>
> >> On the plus side I see two advantages, primarily. First, I think I can
> >> assume the unit will be functional out of the box. Or, is that
> >> foolhardy? Is it likely to be functional in X, but have many console text
> >> features missing?
> >>
> >> My second reason for going with the preinstalled system is that I want to
> >> get vmware running for Windows access in a Linux console. I've never
> >> succeeded at getting X working on my own--so have always fallen short of
> >> this goal to date. I feel I'm ahead of the game if I get a working X
> >> environment out of the box. Is this enough reason to go with the
> >> preinstalled Caldera?
> >>
> >> I very much appreciate any wisdom you would share on this. Thanks in
> >> advance to all of you.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
> >>                                 Information Systems Research & Development
> >>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >>
> >> janina@afb.net
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Reading cds with data tracks.

[Tommy Moore]

Got the problem fixed. on my cd drive I had to specify the fs type and
everything worked fine.

Re: To Caldera or not to Caldera

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

Hi Janina,

     Is this the one with the Crusoe?  If you get Caldera and don't like 
it.  Just remember to save your /etc/X11/XF86Config file.  That way,
you'll have something to work with if you install another version of
Linux.  Someone else mentioned drivers.  I would *hope* that IBM would
release the source because if they didn't, no one would be able to
upgrade their kernel.




          HTH.
          Bill in NJ.On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:

> I'm looking for a little advice from the sages on this list. I'm about to
> buy a new portable computer. From the hardware side I've pretty settled on
> getting yet another IBM Thinkpad. I've had good enough experience with
> them for some years now to feel comfortable getting another Thinkpad. This
> will be my third in a row.
> 
> IBM has actively begun supporting linux in that they now offer one of
> their leading Thinkpad models with Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4
> preinstalled. So, here's the dilemma--Shall I get the preinstalled linux
> and then patch with Speakup and tweak for my needs? Or should I just get
> the hardware I want and go with an install from scratch? I have no
> experience with Caldera whatsoever. All my working experience on Linux has
> been with RedHat (plus a few forays into Debian). My desktop system is
> running RedHat, and I'm keeping that system for the foreseeable future.
> 
> So, what would you do? And, how would you decide?
> 
> On the plus side I see two advantages, primarily. First, I think I can
> assume the unit will be functional out of the box. Or, is that
> foolhardy? Is it likely to be functional in X, but have many console text
> features missing?
> 
> My second reason for going with the preinstalled system is that I want to
> get vmware running for Windows access in a Linux console. I've never
> succeeded at getting X working on my own--so have always fallen short of
> this goal to date. I feel I'm ahead of the game if I get a working X
> environment out of the box. Is this enough reason to go with the
> preinstalled Caldera?
> 
> I very much appreciate any wisdom you would share on this. Thanks in
> advance to all of you.
> 
> 
> 

Re: To Caldera or not to Caldera

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

Hi Brent,

     It's my understanding that the Dell drivers are included in the
RedHat source packages.  I downloaded the Dell version by mistake and
compiled it.  I couldn't use sound for some reason.  Now there's only
one kernel version, so I think we're ok.  Obviously, one would need to
check with Dell or RedHat before buying a machine.



          HTH.
          Bill
On Sun, 3 Sep 2000,
Brent Harding wrote:

> With dell redhat systems, how hard is it to get speakup on them? I've heard
> the disk control drivers are binary provided by dell, no disk, no boot,
> recompiling the kernel could jeopardize support for the hardware, as dell
> builds the code right in to the kernel. I'm thinking of going preinstall of
> linux for my next system, as I have plenty of access to windows on this
> machine now, and my laptop, so if I need to use windows, not a lot will be
> missing, if one networked the machines.
> At 12:16 PM 9/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >My experience with different Linux distributions has been that each one
> >does things slightly different, configuration utilities, directory trees
> >in different locations sometime symbolicaly linked for compatability,
> >different startup scripts to bring up network connections and the use of
> >different hw device file names. As a general rule I try to use the
> >utilities of the Linux distribution that I am using to configure stuff
> >first and if that fails I will try the generic Linux way. I think
> >Caldera uses "lizard" which corresponds to the RedHat "linuxconf".
> >
> >Can you get a new IBM Thinkpad with nothing installed? I would opt for
> >Linux since it should be cheaper but If you plan on running Windows
> >under Vmware you may opt for a Windows pre-install since Windows may be
> >alot cheaper when acquired with a Thinkpad. It would be nice if you get
> >get the Thinkpad with Linux, Vmware and Windows pre-installed.
> >
> >Past experience with Dell computer we actually chose to pay more money
> >with a pre-installed RedHat desktop to see how Dell would install Linux.
> >Our only choice of pre-installed operating systems were Windows OR
> >RedHat 6.0, since we wanted a multi-boot we then had to go out and
> >purchase Windows 98 for an additional 200 dollars. I think I understand
> >this philosophy, based upon statistics Dell wants to know if sales are
> >from Linux OR Windows.
> >
> >One thing you may want to confirm is whether or not you can to a "text"
> >based install with the Caldera distribution, I know with RedHat or
> >Mandrake you can still select a "text" based install.
> >
> >Greg Keto
> >
> >Janina Sajka wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm looking for a little advice from the sages on this list. I'm about to
> >> buy a new portable computer. From the hardware side I've pretty settled on
> >> getting yet another IBM Thinkpad. I've had good enough experience with
> >> them for some years now to feel comfortable getting another Thinkpad. This
> >> will be my third in a row.
> >> 
> >> IBM has actively begun supporting linux in that they now offer one of
> >> their leading Thinkpad models with Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4
> >> preinstalled. So, here's the dilemma--Shall I get the preinstalled linux
> >> and then patch with Speakup and tweak for my needs? Or should I just get
> >> the hardware I want and go with an install from scratch? I have no
> >> experience with Caldera whatsoever. All my working experience on Linux has
> >> been with RedHat (plus a few forays into Debian). My desktop system is
> >> running RedHat, and I'm keeping that system for the foreseeable future.
> >> 
> >> So, what would you do? And, how would you decide?
> >> 
> >> On the plus side I see two advantages, primarily. First, I think I can
> >> assume the unit will be functional out of the box. Or, is that
> >> foolhardy? Is it likely to be functional in X, but have many console text
> >> features missing?
> >> 
> >> My second reason for going with the preinstalled system is that I want to
> >> get vmware running for Windows access in a Linux console. I've never
> >> succeeded at getting X working on my own--so have always fallen short of
> >> this goal to date. I feel I'm ahead of the game if I get a working X
> >> environment out of the box. Is this enough reason to go with the
> >> preinstalled Caldera?
> >> 
> >> I very much appreciate any wisdom you would share on this. Thanks in
> >> advance to all of you.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> 
> >>                                 Janina Sajka, Director
> >>                                 Information Systems Research & Development
> >>                                 American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >> 
> >> janina@afb.net
> >> 
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Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Frank J. Carmickle]

Wait what are you trying to do?

Are you talking about using exec to redirect the standard out from the
console to ttyS1?  I am not following about the loopback deal.  

FC


On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> I'm trying to revive a broken installation and could use some speech from
> the loop back command, but I don't recall the syntax. Can someone please
> remind me how that goes? I've a Litetalk on ttyS1, so this will work if I
> can just get the command right! <grin>
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Information Systems Research & Development
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
> 
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, exactly. I want to redirect the output to ttyS1. 




				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net


On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:

> Wait what are you trying to do?
> 
> Are you talking about using exec to redirect the standard out from the
> console to ttyS1?  I am not following about the loopback deal.  
> 
> FC
> 
> 
> On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Hi:
> > 
> > I'm trying to revive a broken installation and could use some speech from
> > the loop back command, but I don't recall the syntax. Can someone please
> > remind me how that goes? I've a Litetalk on ttyS1, so this will work if I
> > can just get the command right! <grin>
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Information Systems Research & Development
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > janina@afb.net
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Victor Tsaran]

Janina, the syntax is:

exec >/dev/ttyS1 2>&1

Best,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?


| Yes, exactly. I want to redirect the output to ttyS1.
|
|
|
|
| Janina Sajka, Director
| Information Systems Research & Development
| American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
|
| janina@afb.net
|
|
| On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
|
| > Wait what are you trying to do?
| >
| > Are you talking about using exec to redirect the standard out from the
| > console to ttyS1?  I am not following about the loopback deal.
| >
| > FC
| >
| >
| > On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
| >
| > > Hi:
| > >
| > > I'm trying to revive a broken installation and could use some speech
from
| > > the loop back command, but I don't recall the syntax. Can someone please
| > > remind me how that goes? I've a Litetalk on ttyS1, so this will work if
I
| > > can just get the command right! <grin>
| > >
| > > Thanks in advance.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > --
| > >
| > > Janina Sajka, Director
| > > Information Systems Research & Development
| > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
| > >
| > > janina@afb.net
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > _______________________________________________
| > > Speakup mailing list
| > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| > >
| >
| >
| > _______________________________________________
| > Speakup mailing list
| > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| >
|
|
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| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Janina Sajka]

Thanks, Victor.

Now that I see it, I wonder how I forgot it!

PS: Congradulations on all the good work in Thailand. Have you been hooked
up with the folks doing digital talking books in DAISY format there, by
the way? There's major DAISY activity in Thailand, and you might want to
make contact before you return, if you're not connected with them
already. Let me know. I can help with that.



				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net


On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Janina, the syntax is:
> 
> exec >/dev/ttyS1 2>&1
> 
> Best,
> Vic
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?
> 
> 
> | Yes, exactly. I want to redirect the output to ttyS1.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | Janina Sajka, Director
> | Information Systems Research & Development
> | American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> |
> | janina@afb.net
> |
> |
> | On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> |
> | > Wait what are you trying to do?
> | >
> | > Are you talking about using exec to redirect the standard out from the
> | > console to ttyS1?  I am not following about the loopback deal.
> | >
> | > FC
> | >
> | >
> | > On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
> | >
> | > > Hi:
> | > >
> | > > I'm trying to revive a broken installation and could use some speech
> from
> | > > the loop back command, but I don't recall the syntax. Can someone please
> | > > remind me how that goes? I've a Litetalk on ttyS1, so this will work if
> I
> | > > can just get the command right! <grin>
> | > >
> | > > Thanks in advance.
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > --
> | > >
> | > > Janina Sajka, Director
> | > > Information Systems Research & Development
> | > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> | > >
> | > > janina@afb.net
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > _______________________________________________
> | > > Speakup mailing list
> | > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> | > >
> | >
> | >
> | > _______________________________________________
> | > Speakup mailing list
> | > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> | >
> |
> |
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Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Victor Tsaran]

Yes, I did get in touch with some of these people. In fact, the Linux training
took place in one of the colleges wher the research on this topic is done.
Regards,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?


| Thanks, Victor.
|
| Now that I see it, I wonder how I forgot it!
|
| PS: Congradulations on all the good work in Thailand. Have you been hooked
| up with the folks doing digital talking books in DAISY format there, by
| the way? There's major DAISY activity in Thailand, and you might want to
| make contact before you return, if you're not connected with them
| already. Let me know. I can help with that.
|
|
|
| Janina Sajka, Director
| Information Systems Research & Development
| American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
|
| janina@afb.net
|
|
| On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
|
| > Janina, the syntax is:
| >
| > exec >/dev/ttyS1 2>&1
| >
| > Best,
| > Vic
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
| > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
| > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:08 AM
| > Subject: Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?
| >
| >
| > | Yes, exactly. I want to redirect the output to ttyS1.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Janina Sajka, Director
| > | Information Systems Research & Development
| > | American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
| > |
| > | janina@afb.net
| > |
| > |
| > | On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
| > |
| > | > Wait what are you trying to do?
| > | >
| > | > Are you talking about using exec to redirect the standard out from the
| > | > console to ttyS1?  I am not following about the loopback deal.
| > | >
| > | > FC
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
| > | >
| > | > > Hi:
| > | > >
| > | > > I'm trying to revive a broken installation and could use some speech
| > from
| > | > > the loop back command, but I don't recall the syntax. Can someone
please
| > | > > remind me how that goes? I've a Litetalk on ttyS1, so this will work
if
| > I
| > | > > can just get the command right! <grin>
| > | > >
| > | > > Thanks in advance.
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > --
| > | > >
| > | > > Janina Sajka, Director
| > | > > Information Systems Research & Development
| > | > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
| > | > >
| > | > > janina@afb.net
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > _______________________________________________
| > | > > Speakup mailing list
| > | > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > | > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| > | > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > _______________________________________________
| > | > Speakup mailing list
| > | > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > | > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > | _______________________________________________
| > | Speakup mailing list
| > | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
| > | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
| >
| >
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| > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Loop Back Command -- What is it?

[Frank J. Carmickle]

hmmm...  Let's see here.  Are resident expert on exec will correct me if I
am wrong, right Bill, but I believe you can just say 'exec >/dev/ttyS1'.

FC


On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Yes, exactly. I want to redirect the output to ttyS1. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Information Systems Research & Development
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> janina@afb.net
> 
> 
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Frank J. Carmickle wrote:
> 
> > Wait what are you trying to do?
> > 
> > Are you talking about using exec to redirect the standard out from the
> > console to ttyS1?  I am not following about the loopback deal.  
> > 
> > FC
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi:
> > > 
> > > I'm trying to revive a broken installation and could use some speech from
> > > the loop back command, but I don't recall the syntax. Can someone please
> > > remind me how that goes? I've a Litetalk on ttyS1, so this will work if I
> > > can just get the command right! <grin>
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 
> > > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > 				Information Systems Research & Development
> > > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > 
> > > janina@afb.net
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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