rplayer 8 basic

rplayer 8 basic

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi Folks:  I have downloaded the latest free realplayer and placed it
in the goodies directory.  It is called rp7_linux_20_libc6_i386_b2.bin
or something like that.  It is a selfextracting archive so just
download it, make it executable with chmod 755 filename and type
./filename.  Where filename is the name of the rp7 binary.

  Good luck!
  Kirk

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[brent harding]

Does it end up giving a graphical install?
At 06:56 PM 7/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Folks:  I have downloaded the latest free realplayer and placed it
>in the goodies directory.  It is called rp7_linux_20_libc6_i386_b2.bin
>or something like that.  It is a selfextracting archive so just
>download it, make it executable with chmod 755 filename and type
>./filename.  Where filename is the name of the rp7 binary.
>
>  Good luck!
>  Kirk
>
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Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Christopher Moore]

Kirk,
I couldn't install the .bin file because it was looking for an X library
which I don't have.  I had better luck with the .rpm version.  I ran it
through rpt2tgz and used tar to install it.
Chris

73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Kirk Reiser]

Okay good Chris:  Why don't you upload the tar ball then to the
incoming directory and I'll move it over.  I will build a tar ball if
you can't but I'm not sure when I can get to it.  Might be a while.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Matthew Campbell]

I don't think we should have a copy of RealPlayer on the Speakup FTP
site, because the RealPlayer license agreement says "redistribution
not permitted".  Besides that, if we don't go to RealNetworks' site to
download the player, they don't get a chance to sell us RealPlayer
Plus.  OK, so I'm clearly on RealNetworks' side.  I guess I feel more
accountable to them now because I'm developing something with their
technology, under their license agreement.

-- 
Matt Campbell <mattcamp@crosswinds.net>
Web site:  http://www.crosswinds.net/~mattcamp/
ICQ #:  33005941

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Christopher Moore]

Matt,
Your point is well taken.  If you would be a little more specific in your
documentation about which file to download, the need for storing a copy on
the ftp site would go away.  The vonfusion seems to center on a couple
point:
first, the self-extracting version appears to be designed for systems
running X.  
second, The rpm version is great for distributions such as Redhat which
rely on the rpm utility to install packages.  For distributiojns not using
rpm, this version must be preprocessed with the rpm2tgz utility before it
can be installed.

Some notes along these lines in your documentation would eliminate some of
the guess-work involved, especially for new users.
 

73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Matthew Campbell]

OK, Chris, I'll update the trplayer documentation as you suggested.  I
always get the RPM, regarldess of what distribution I'm installing
under.

-- 
Matt Campbell <mattcamp@crosswinds.net>
Web site:  http://www.crosswinds.net/~mattcamp/
ICQ #:  33005941

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[brent harding]

There might be java on the website to take the form info, too, if they ever
do that, ftp storage of the files is necessary. We all know about real
player plus, and probably can't get a version for linux, if it'd even be
beneficial to do so.
At 06:49 AM 7/6/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Matt,
>Your point is well taken.  If you would be a little more specific in your
>documentation about which file to download, the need for storing a copy on
>the ftp site would go away.  The vonfusion seems to center on a couple
>point:
>first, the self-extracting version appears to be designed for systems
>running X.  
>second, The rpm version is great for distributions such as Redhat which
>rely on the rpm utility to install packages.  For distributiojns not using
>rpm, this version must be preprocessed with the rpm2tgz utility before it
>can be installed.
>
>Some notes along these lines in your documentation would eliminate some of
>the guess-work involved, especially for new users.
> 
>
>73, Chris w1gm@sdf.lonestar.org
>SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
>
>
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Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Janina Sajka]

Matt:

What do you think they would do about it?

Would they try to sue, for sxample?

Can you imagine the press they'd get about that?

Headline: Corporate Giant Sues Blind Activists

Story: Something like --

Real Network objects to blind activists making their free software, Real
Player, available to blind computer users. Blind activists say they took
action because Real Networks has steadfastly refused to make it theiweb
site accessible so that blind users could download this free software,
just as other users do.

My, my.

PS: What features of the non-free software are accessible, by the way?



On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Matthew Campbell wrote:

> I don't think we should have a copy of RealPlayer on the Speakup FTP
> site, because the RealPlayer license agreement says "redistribution
> not permitted".  Besides that, if we don't go to RealNetworks' site to
> download the player, they don't get a chance to sell us RealPlayer
> Plus.  OK, so I'm clearly on RealNetworks' side.  I guess I feel more
> accountable to them now because I'm developing something with their
> technology, under their license agreement.
> 
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Information Systems Research & Development
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Kirk Wood]

Normally what a company does about redistribution of an otherwise free
product is send a cease and desist order first. This has qorked to open
dialog about fixing problems on a page before. Idon't remember what list
it was on but last year someone on a blind related list went through the
process with broadcast.com. In the end it was agreed that he could send
all the links via email to friends, but not leave his page with the links
bypassing the ads up for all to see. They also wanted to make sure he
wasn't modifying them to skip the 30 second comercial proceeding the real
stuff if memory serves correctly.

Some companies won't worry about the publicity figuring that it won't be
too bad. They may figure you will only get regional coverage and people
forget things quickly anyway.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Jim Wantz]

Hey Matt,
RDon't worry about the copyright stuff with Real Networks, as Janina
pointed out it would be terribly politically incorrect and even worse
publicity for Real Networks to do anything to prevent you from doing
anything for the benefit of the blind community.  That's assuming of
course that you don't incorporate any of the features of the "plus"
version.  Even then you should be okay if the sofware development kit is
free and you are using features provided by the sdk.

     Jim WB0TFK

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Matthew Campbell]

Janina,

What is it about the RealNetworks site, specifically the RealPlayer
section of it, that makes it inaccessible?  The link to download the
free RealPlayer is a plain text link, though it's toward the end of
the page, after a lot of stuff about RealPlayer Plus.  And I have no
problem filling out the download form in Lynx, though I normally don't
do it with speech since I can see.

Regarding RealPlayer Plus, I don't know exactly what it offers that
the free player doesn't.  I have heard that the Plus version will let
you record a stream if the stream's author allows it.  I don't know if
it has any other advantages.

-- 
Matt Campbell <mattcamp@crosswinds.net>
Web site:  http://www.crosswinds.net/~mattcamp/
ICQ #:  33005941

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Kirk Wood]

Real Player Plus offers better video as well. In fact, the only benifit
they advertise is purely visual. As for the problem, go back and look. If
you have listened to a screen reader for a few minutes the answer should
be obvious. I have to look closely to find the right thing and I can
see. If one has to rely on what is said....

Consider for a moment that the last page before you get to the information
form has 7 links for the purchase product and 1 for the free product. This
is a trend that has become quite typical. Few sites give you information
in a clear fassion.

-- 
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
	Well, it's not that hard if you actually make use of lynx's search
key. Press /, type player 7, and press enter. You should land on a link
saying realplayer 7 still available. Hit it. Then search for player 7
basic. You'll find it. It will say "realplayer 7 basic is our free
player". That's the link you want, so hit enter on it. After that, the
download form is just like any other. There's no odd label placement, the
form itself is perfectly accessible to speech. I cannot see one bit, so I
do it all through speech.

On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Kirk Wood wrote:

> Real Player Plus offers better video as well. In fact, the only benifit
> they advertise is purely visual. As for the problem, go back and look. If
> you have listened to a screen reader for a few minutes the answer should
> be obvious. I have to look closely to find the right thing and I can
> see. If one has to rely on what is said....
> 
> Consider for a moment that the last page before you get to the information
> form has 7 links for the purchase product and 1 for the free product. This
> is a trend that has become quite typical. Few sites give you information
> in a clear fassion.
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> ------------------
> 
> Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
> 		Alfred North Whitehead
> 
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Re: rplayer 8 basic

[brent harding]

If they don't have better things to do but to track that type of thing,
what does it matter, they spam most of us full of junk we don't want
anyway. It seems that my 26.4 connection I obtain with my 56k modem won't
pull in a realaudio stream too well anyway, at least shows like computalk,
doctor laura, etc. I can get shoutcast streams, for the most part, with
little or no breakup, although those streams have low sound quality,
especially music. Main menu is good though, I can listen to it with only a
breakup or two when I first turn it on, and clear as ever after that. I
just downloaded real so I could play files I may receive in real format, or
to compare it to freeamp or mpg123, but of course the two free players seem
better in my opinion for mp3, although now I'm experimenting with the
listen program of icecast because it prebuffers, but it often stops playing
a ways after I start.
At 09:17 AM 7/6/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Normally what a company does about redistribution of an otherwise free
>product is send a cease and desist order first. This has qorked to open
>dialog about fixing problems on a page before. Idon't remember what list
>it was on but last year someone on a blind related list went through the
>process with broadcast.com. In the end it was agreed that he could send
>all the links via email to friends, but not leave his page with the links
>bypassing the ads up for all to see. They also wanted to make sure he
>wasn't modifying them to skip the 30 second comercial proceeding the real
>stuff if memory serves correctly.
>
>Some companies won't worry about the publicity figuring that it won't be
>too bad. They may figure you will only get regional coverage and people
>forget things quickly anyway.
>
>-- 
>Kirk Wood
>Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
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>
>Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
>		Alfred North Whitehead
>
>
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Re: rplayer 8 basic

[brent harding]

Nothing in the linux version. You almost have to use internet explorer or
netscape to download the player, and even then it isn't easy, jonathan
mosen was so good to store it on his site, I don't use real player often
enough to make it pay off to try to find the link that gets the info, as
it's likely an image map link that goes to it, and urls going through cgi
scripts are a nightmare to find how to get the one you need like
something.com/cgi-bin/player.cgi?id=xxxxxxxx free, and various other
parameters, and no description of where it leads.
At 08:58 AM 7/6/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Matt:
>
>What do you think they would do about it?
>
>Would they try to sue, for sxample?
>
>Can you imagine the press they'd get about that?
>
>Headline: Corporate Giant Sues Blind Activists
>
>Story: Something like --
>
>Real Network objects to blind activists making their free software, Real
>Player, available to blind computer users. Blind activists say they took
>action because Real Networks has steadfastly refused to make it theiweb
>site accessible so that blind users could download this free software,
>just as other users do.
>
>My, my.
>
>PS: What features of the non-free software are accessible, by the way?
>
>
>
>On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>
>> I don't think we should have a copy of RealPlayer on the Speakup FTP
>> site, because the RealPlayer license agreement says "redistribution
>> not permitted".  Besides that, if we don't go to RealNetworks' site to
>> download the player, they don't get a chance to sell us RealPlayer
>> Plus.  OK, so I'm clearly on RealNetworks' side.  I guess I feel more
>> accountable to them now because I'm developing something with their
>> technology, under their license agreement.
>> 
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Information Systems Research & Development
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>
>
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Re: rplayer 8 basic

[Martin McCormick]

	I got it just fine from the Realnetworks site, but maybe
I was lucky.  You have to feed the Cookie Monster a few times, but
that's not such a big deal in lynx.  You can turn on cookie
processing and accept_all_cookies, but if you don't have a cookie
file defined, they just vaporize when you end your lynx session.
Isn't that sad?

	Anyway, if you can't or don't want to turn on the
cookies, remember that you will get prompted additionally to accept
them.  Watch the crumbs;  They kind of mess up your keyboard.

	I typed:  
lynx http://www.realnetworks.com

	This gives a home page with only one selection and that
is another link to real.  Take it.  You have no other choice.

	Now, type  /free  and then Enter.  This gets you to a
link to download realplayer 8 free.  But I want 7!  Quiet, kid,
or I'll nail your other foot to the floor.

	This link is the one you want.  Trust me.

	Take that link and then type  /7  and then Enter.  This
puts you on the link that says "realplayer 7 still available"

	Now you're getting closer.  Take that link and you get
the screen that extols the virtues of the Plus version that you
must buy and also lets you get the free or Basic version.  Just
type  /basic  and Enter to skip the ads and get to the next link
you wanted.

	After you take that one, you start filling out the form
which will select which version, etc.  When you get to the UNIX
choices, use the  lynx text finder again to select  /rpm  which
puts you right on the correct archive.

	Remember to select a version that most closely agrees
with your connection speed.  The buffering and sampling rates are
optimized for each speed so you will have grief if you get the
wrong one.  This is purely a technical consideration and not just
something else designed to make your life rough.

	I noticed another couple of annoying things that you will
discover.  As you near the end of the form, there is an ad
cleverly included for selling a long-distance service and some
other accessories that you must get around.  Just tab through
that and then there is a check box with an X already conveniently
defaulted in to it to allow Realnetworks to "notify" you of new
developments.  In lynx, if you just hit Enter at that point, the
X goes away although spam from other companies that happen to
share the list probably doesn't.

	After that, it is just a download and save process.

	Happy downloading.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Data Communications Group